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Frying pan The scripture clearly said the rich man died and was buried. But you seem to think the rich man ask for water while he is in Hades Hell still alive in the flesh.
Your own thoughts can't see the Spirit of the rich man lives on, while in Hades being tormented with fire.

Jozzy4:
You are putting yourself in frying pan, if the rich man is still alive in flesh, answer me : of what purpose is the ressurection ?

It must be difficult for you to accept this scripture, knowing your organisation don't even believe Hell nor Hades ever exist.
So of course you see the rich man could still be alive in the flesh, when he asked for water from Abraham.

Jozzy4:
From the text !

" And in Hades he lifted up his EYES "

" send Lazarus to dip the tip of HIS FINGER in WATER and cool MY TONGUE "

Immaterial spirits , answer me ?

Quote Jozzy4- After Jesus said they died and were buried , he still went ahead to say the rich MAN , MAN. Have a tongue and could drink water which is the description of a man , I demand an explanation for this ! When did immaterial spirits start having tongue and drink water ?
Isn't this part of your beliefs, you JW's believe Jesus went into heaven just as a Spirit? And you believe Michael the archangel became Jesus on earth, and returned to sit at God's right hand side in Spirit. If this is the case, Jesus also ate and drank with His disciples, after He was resurrected. {And now you are asking me, to explain to you, How does a Spirit drink}
Don't You believe this is the truth about Christ now? Do you even know about your own bible? This is what you JW's have said all along, Jesus returned to God in Spirit? This is why you haven't the slightest idea how the bible is written, you don't even recognise your own bible. You are reading your stories from a magazine, that's written by children story tellers.
{Luke 15:22-26} The Lord was speaking in terms of explaining after we die our Spirit lives on.
With all the scriptures I have shared with you, still you are confused of the idea, the way you have explained yourself you seem to think that our flesh and blood lives on-and the rich man never died nor buried-but he is in Hades burning in torment alive.
{Esslesiastes 3:19-20} All from dust and we will return to dust.
{Esslesiastes 12:6-7} And the dust returns to the ground and the Spirit returns to God who gave it.
From our experiences in life it is easy for us to understand the truth, that when a person dies his body begins to decay back unto dust.
But what about a mans spirit? Where does it go at death? So where does a person go when he dies? Lets read the scriptures and find the answers?
{Luke 23:43} Jesus said to the thief on the cross, today you will be with Me in Paradise.
{Acts 2:27-31} For you will not leave My soul in Hades, Nor will you allow to see your Holy one to see corruption, He foreseeing this spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that His soul was not left in Hades, nor His flesh see corruption, Jesus died and while His physical body reposed in the tomb, He {His soul} went to Hades {the unseen world of the dead} Jesus did not remain in Hades, However on the third day, He returned from Hades and was raised from the dead.
And already you are having trouble accepting the story of {Luke 16:22-26} So the beggar died and he was carried away by the angels to Abraham's bosom, the rich man also died and was buried, and being in torment in Hades, the rich man lifted up his eye's and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And Abraham said between us there is a great gulf fixed, so for those who want to pass from here you cannot, nor from there pass to us.
We read that Paradise is not the same as Hades, but rather one or two compartments located within Hades. Lazarus died and went to Abraham bosom {This same Paradise where Jesus said today you will be with Me in paradise up on the cross} While the rich man died and went to Hades and he was in torment. These scriptures shows that the spirits travel either way, while the flesh turns back into dust.
{Job 14:14} If a man dies shall he live again?

Jozzy4:
Baseless words man. I understand you are angry because am making you think!

You are still assuming Jesus is talking about some ghosts or spirits , whatever u are imagining.

After Jesus said they died and were buried , he still went ahead to say the rich MAN , MAN. Have a tongue and could drink water which is the description of a man , I demand an explanation for this ! When did immaterial spirits start having tongue and drink water ?


Don't get angry because am making you think outside the box , kindly answer that question!

In every school theirs always someone like you, sitting in the corner at the back of the classroom.
Please tells us-about your stupidity metal state of mind, Do you honestly believe Jesus was talking about flesh and blood?
Does the scripture not tell you that the rich man and the poor man had died, both buried-meaning dead men-no-longer do their bodies function. So how does flesh and blood enter into the Spirit realm? Flesh and blood cannot enter into the kingdom of God, nor corruption inherit incorruption.
Since you have all the answers maybe you should shed a little light on the subject and show us where in the bible does it ever say that flesh and blood can enter into heaven or Hell?
Through visions or even dreams, or having some kind of a death experience people had always explained their experiences were in Spirit.
Maybe its the JW's who can travel back and forward in the flesh unto the Spirit realm?

Jozzy4:
buhahahaha , didn't yourself call him Rich MAN , why not say Rich SPIRIT ? if truly you believe Jesus is reffering to some ghosts here.


Brocab, please and please are you trying to tell me that a spirit have tongues and drink water ?

Before you start mocking the word of God-You should become a JW.

Jozzy4:
vomit that !

" Father is greater than I ". john 14:28



same what ?

Listening to you, really puts the JW's on the map to be called idiots, after reading this 'it shows how dumb you really are.
These verses are even written in the New World Translation Bible, about the rich man dying, and asking for water after He is dead in Hades-but since you believe you are better than your bible, than at least you should have all the answers, that can explain yourself how does dead men drink water.
You should know the answer to this question-it's easy-you are dead in Spirit, can you drink living water? No.

Jozzy4:
buhahahaha , didn't yourself call him Rich MAN , why not say Rich SPIRIT ? if truly you believe Jesus is reffering to some ghosts here.


Brocab, please and please are you trying to tell me that a spirit have tongues and drink water ?

Thanks brother for the encouragement, the truth will always be revealed, and it is done by special people like yourselves, we are doing, what the JW's should be doing, we are spreading the word of God across the nations.
And of course the enemy will always try to destroy us doing that, the Lord warned us this will happen, and sure enough 'this keeps me going, when I read the word of God, and it's the word that pushes me to continual to spread the word further into the enemies camp.
I enjoy most of all 'that the word of God will always push Satan and his army backwards, and the darkness will never prevail.
Jesus had won the battle, now and forevermore.
And I believe dolphinheart are more then one, one that doesn't know, what the other one is doing.

solite3:
Good work John! Do you notice that they have reduced the frequency of attacks because the truth is starring at them, even dolphinsheart which I believe is not one person is confounded thumbs up! God bless you brocab and others showing the light

The JW's don't study up with this sort of information, They are not allowed, if they were caught having such knowledge in their belongings or teaching such wisdom, they would be disqualified from their organisation, they will loose their bank accounts, and everything they had worked for, they have trained hard to be a faithful strewed and a soldier towards the Watchtower.
The watchtower will turn their love ones against them without even thinking about it. Many of the ex JW's had already committed suicide, while their families continual to lead the blind. In many cases the watchtower had arranged elders to take care of certain ex wife's and Children causing them to sin for in exchange of special sexual favours within their organisation.
Anybody who believes the JW's have any leg to stand on when it has to do with the word of God-would have to be on some kind of medication describe by a doctor, or in most cases 'many have chosen to take their lives into account, buying and selling drugs to the public brainwashing them to believe the JW's have what it takes, to be man pleases, instead of God pleases, so the world will know, that the world follows, it's own.

johnw74:
More about the sect who call themselves Jehovah's Witnesses:

Watchtower quotes prior to 1914

Russell taught that Jesus invisible rulership began in 1874.

"Our Lord, the appointed King, is now present since October 1874, A.D., according to the testimony of the prophets, to those who have ears to hear it: and the formal inauguration of his kingly office dates from Apr 1878, A.D." Studies in Scriptures Series IV (1897) p.621

As shown at DaVinci Code, Russell used pyramidology to support this belief.

https://www.jwfacts.com/images/1914-pyramid-chart.jpg

1874 to 1914 was described as the greatest time of trouble in human history, with 1914 to be the conclusion of the Last Days. Armageddon would begin, resulting in the wholesale destruction of all government and religion. Russell and his followers were to be raised to heaven and Jesus Kingdom would then be established as paradise on earth.

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After reading your page-this must be so difficult for you to comprehend, it shows every time you reply back, your first reaction is negative, which shows you don't even read up on the word, most people would try to understand before replying back, but you aren't most people, you just don't think about things-you jump straight in, without acknowledging.
The blind, leading the blind.
{Luke 16:22-26} explains it quite well-but your reactions are always on the argumentative side.
Well if you don't understand it, then find someone else who can 'and explain it for you?
But what you haven't noticed both died, both were buried back to dust, and yet both spirits are still alive.
{Ecclesiastes 12:7, 3:20} Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was, and the Spirit shall return unto God who give it. All go to the same place all come from dust, and to dust all return.
The problem is' you can't read between the lines-when we read the scriptures-we read it with meaning. Everybody who reads about anything, always looks for the answers, but in your case you don't.
As you can read our flesh returns to the ground-we are made from dust and we will return to dust-but the Spirit remains.
So this proves our flesh ends up back where it came from {Adam was made from dust} while our Spirits roam, the rich man died and buried and yet his spirit knows he is in Hades being tormented by fire. {The meaning of Hell-Sheol, Hades, Gehenna}
This means our Spirit feels everything our flesh feels, even after we die, the rich man felt himself burning, and he knew he was in Hades.
The rich man was begging Abraham to cool down his tongue with a tip of water, and the rich man describes Hades burning with fire of torment, if this isn't telling you he is in Hell another word used for Hades-then at least share a little light on this subject and tell the world, Hades isn't Hell, a place of torment-and our Spirits no-longer feels the pain after we die?
And why is the rich man begging Abraham to send Lazarus back to his family, didn't the rich man realise no-one can come back from the dead, not even in Spirit {except through Jesus}

dolphinheart:
The questions where : now pls give us a scripture that says spirit of man goes to hell fire?
and then tell us where the rest(body,soul)goes!

let's see if he could answer!

22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried.
23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side.
24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’
25 “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony.
26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’
1. is there any mention that their spirit went to hell fire? noooooo!
2. is the word "spirit" even mentioned their? noooooo!


you could not show that the spirit goes to hell you are now using style style and philosophy of men to adjust the issue.
BROCAB, THE SCRIPTURES NEVER EVER SAID SPIRIT OF MAN GOES TO HELL! SUCH THOUGHTS COME OUT OF YOUR MAN MADE IDEALOGIES!

you could not answer the first part, so no need to ask you where the others(soul and body)go , cus you will fail to answer that one too!

No you have still got it wrong, Both have the same Qualifications, both are the same.

Jozzy4:
see your option Jesus or God . u properly separate Jesus from God, isn't it ?

Brocab, you are dishonest @ bold , quote that verse in full , For us there is one God the Father!!!

{Luke 16:22-26} If this scripture doesn't tell you, nothing will.
Think about this 'if someone was burnt to death-does it mean they still have a body of flesh and blood after they die, with what the scripture say's which way doe's the Spirit go? Does it roam around until it finds pasture, or is it directed to a place where He/she's past life {chosen} it to be.
Like with the story above about the rich man and the poor man.

dolphinheart:
now pls give us a scripture that says spirit of man goes to hell fire?
and then tell us where the rest(body,soul)goes!

That's true, Without the Spirit of God everyone hates the truth.

johnw74:
bro it's amazing how false jw hate the truth
they have some knowledge, but of the wrong kind
they are told what to believe and what even to say

some people call that kind: zombies

It doesn't matter how many times we try and show them the truth about Christ, without the spirit of God-and because they feed of each other on this page, nothing that the word of God says will bring them closer to Christ.
They believe how the world believes, flesh and blood is their only sauce, the JW's believe by their works it will bring them closer to God.
They haven't the faith to honesty claim they know Christ.
When the bible clearly tells us no-one can go to the Father without Him.
When the bible tells us I and the Father are One.
They believe only a few elders of 144000 will be with a god while the rest will live in peace on the new earth.
They don't believe in the bible-but they do believe in a god.

johnw74:
2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.


deceiver antichrist false jw say "a god" came in the flesh

I had asked a question, and of course no-JW had answered it, maybe you should open your eyes' and answer the question.
Yet for us there is but One God.
From whom all things came and from whom we live-Through whom all things came through whom we live. So which One is it? Jesus or God.

Jozzy4:
open your eyes , according to 1 Corinthians 8:6 , who is the One God ?

You complain John74 is twisting the scriptures-how can he be? because {1 Corinthians 8:6} says it as it sounds-Yet but for us there is but One God the Father from whom all things came, and for whom we live; and there is but One Lord Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
So which is it? Through whom we live, Jesus or God? Or both? Don't forget there is only One God..

Barristter07:
johnw74



You can't twist anything here , there is no such thing as one God mentioned at john 1:1 , I have gave you a solid evidence at 1 Corinthians 8:6 where the One God is mentioned.

show me the underlined in the Bible ? " one God " must appear . or you lack such evidence ?

The spirit will do! The words I said is hell fire, not he'll fire.

dolphinheart:
brocab, pls tell us, what goes to he'll fire, the spirit, the body, the soul, two of them or all three?

Interesting? The further we hear more on these subjects the more closest the JW's are facing the place they refuse to believe Hell fire ever existed.
Which of course is sad-God see's everybody equal, and yet the JW's and other religions, have refused and have turned their backs against Christ, living a life of fear and torment { 2 Timothy 3:7} Always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. And that Christ ever existed.
I pray that all man kind will study the word of God-and find the love of Christ, buried deep down within their hearts, and be set free and delivered them from all their pains and their un-forgiven natures, that they have carried with them since time began.
I pray the JW's will lead people to Christ, and not the Watchtower organisation.

johnw74:
More on appearing as angels of light at witchpower headquarters

[url=https://books.google.com.au/books?id=wmsdmva7u6kC&pg=PA71&lpg=PA71&dq=angels+come+to+watchtower+headquarters+in+brooklyn&source=bl&ots=A4YAePTasv&sig=tljoaKhHGQc-M36AVWMpP6-Fs6k&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjsi5b1wIPOAhXMHZQKHURMDmAQ6AEIMjAF#v=onepage&q=angels%20come%20to%20watchtower%20headquarters%20in%20brooklyn&f=false]Read it here[/url]

Hmmm would the world be a better place without the JW's?
Would the world be a better place without sin? It may well be, but would we have the choices we have today.
Adam blew it because he allowed Eve to pick the forbidden fruit.
Heaven or Hell here we come, I believe the Lord allowed this to happen, this way it gives us a free will to believe either way.
The JW's are just part of the plan, along with all the other religions that chooses not to believe.

You twisted {Romans 16:6} your way of speaking it sounds more like a lie, then any truth. Greeting isn't praying.
Greet Mary or salute Mary doesn't mean Hail Mary. This rubbish can only come from the Vatican.

Patheos:
u shud be ignored but i will show u where Paul said dat u shud Hail her .... Romans16:6

Here's something you JW's should answer-did Jesus ever say He is Michael the Archangel? No
Did Jesus ever freely call Himself the Son of God, without Him quoting scripture to save Himself from the Jews from stoning Him
{John 10:34} Jesus answered them, It is written in your law, I have said you are gods.
Jesus quoted the Psalms so the Jews couldn't stone Him, because it is written in their law {Psalms 82:6} "I said "You are gods, you are sons of the Most high..
Jesus knew by calling Himself the Son of God, He wasn't breaking the Law.
Jesus referred to Himself as the Son of Man.

Catholic's do this in the name of ? Most Catholic's aren't even born again, so you are asking for the impossible, they don't even know Christ, it is only through Mary they worship.
And sadly but surely they use everything that is against Christ in the makings, the Catholic's refuse to obey two of God's 10 commandments but rather worship Mary as their God {Exodus 20:1-3} You shalt have no other Gods before Me.{Exodus 20:4-5} Thou shalt not make unto any graven Images.
So you see the Catholic's don't know the Lord, only because the Vatican had designed their paths to hell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiilR4cyDAQ

Ukutsgp:
the time is short and coming of the son of man is at hand. the signs are all over the place. the question is, what are the roman catholic members waiting for before they do the needful i.e repent and surrender their life to Jesus.

they have been warned against the danger of worshipping Mary instead of Jesus yet they would not listen.

they have been told to purge themselves of their idols yet they continue to bow and worship them.

they have been warned of the dangers of teaching heresy such as purgatory, baptism of infants, confession of sins to a human priest and many more but they would not listen.

they should know that they have no excuse cos they have been warned several times about all this things. i pray God will open their eyes to the truth so that they will be saved.

We should ask ourselves what sort of person are you? You are the first to start mocking, and you are the first to winch about someone.
As soon as John74 turns his back, here is you laying in your boots and kicking the man while he is down. goodnews201668 himself who says nothing good about anybody.
At least give John74 a good pat on his back, he speaks out with a clear mind and he speaks the truth about you JW's, not like you, you don't say any truth about anybody?

goodnews201668:
You think he will give you a straightforward answer? He will come in the night and dodge the post and rather call you names, i wonder the type of person he is.

Try Acts 20:28.

tundexweb:
I don't see "romans 20 vs 28" in my bible,the chapters are limited to 16,how do u come about the aforementioned?

Here's something you JW's should answer-did Jesus ever say He is Michael the Archangel? No
Did Jesus ever freely call Himself the Son of God, without Him quoting scripture to save Himself from the Jews from stoning Him
{John 10:34} Jesus answered them, It is written in your law, I have said you are gods.
Jesus quoted the Psalms so the Jews couldn't stone Him, because it is written in their law {Psalms 82:6} "I said "You are gods, you are sons of the Most high..
Jesus knew by calling Himself the Son of God, He wasn't breaking the Law.
Jesus referred to Himself as the Son of Man.

So how about you shedding a little light on the subject and letting us know who the One God is? And what is His other name, besides Immanuel. It's about time you JW's do the answering so the world will know who you are.

CAPTIVATOR:
Before u go offside, nobody dispute that there is One God , but the question is , who is the One God according to the scriptures ! 1 Cor 8:6 " for US, there is one God the Father " not two persons in one , so are u among the "US" ?

Jesus gives life. {John 6:35, John 10:9} I am the Gate {John 10:11} I am the Shepherd. {John 14:6} I am the way and the truth and the Life, no-one comes to the Father accept through Me.
Lets leave your false JW's teachings out from the bible full stop.
Lets become born again Christians together before we start this foolish conversation, we already know you don't believe in the truth, nor in any other bible, sample the KJ's, Don't try and reason with me, facing the bible is something you refuse greatly.
If you can't come up with the answers then why try and reason with a Christian who can?

tempem:
Brocab.. Just try and lets be honest that's all.

Leave denomination here.. Am mostly concerned about the Bible. No denomination gives life, the Bible does! Or you may argue that out..
Let me rephrase( God gives life, we learnt about him from the Bible)
So. Leave out my denomination.
Let's face the Bible.

{Acts 28:6} Is talking about Paul, not Jesus, Paul was called a god-So how can you compare this scripture with your twisted scripture you call the Word a god

CAPTIVATOR:
oga, your problem is " a god " right ? kindly check Act 28:6 , and prove a god in that verse is a wrong translation. then we can discuss , till then you are just making noise .

It won't matter how many times you call us Christians lairs, we all know the truth, and that's something you will never take away from us, but you, you believe in the JW lies of lies, and not only us Christians but the hole world knows you.
{John 1:1} In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God and the Word was God. So if this isn't telling you their is One God, then you are not reading your bible correctly, and the Spirit that is in you, isn't the Most high God. Because this information can only come to you from above-and not from below.
{John 1:18} you must explain this scripture-no-one has seen God at anytime-so if no one has seen God-then Jesus answered Philip rightly-by saying I have been with you so long and yet you have not knowing Me? He who has seen Me, has seen the Father, so how can you say show us the Father, do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me? The Words I speak to you, I do not speak on My own authority, but the Father WHO DWELLS IN "ME" DOES THE WORKS. This proves God is Spirit and the Spirit of God dwells in Jesus.
So how can you believe God and Jesus are two separate people, flesh can not enter into flesh-but the Spirit can.

CAPTIVATOR:
UV started your lies as usual

Show me " ONE GOD " @ john 1:1 ?

and two , who did the scripture call the ONE GOD ?

this two will expose your lies

I am not sure where you would like to start with this, and I am not sure you know either.
But by your page you really sound like a JW, you are either been taught by them, or are you a seven day Adventist?
Well lets start by finding your answers, what is your gut feeling telling you bro-how much more evidence do we need, the bible works in two ways, you either believe it {Which is Spiritual} or you don't believe it {Which is flesh}
I believe you already know the answer and maybe its either been push so far down-and it's been a long time since you really heard about the word of God-and recently the Word is knocking on your door once again-and after hearing some teachings from either the JW's your own feelings isn't the same teachings you had received before. It seems your personal knowledge is about to surface, and at this present time the teachings you are receiving is confusing what you already know. {Is this what you are asking?}
Is this why you are seeking after the truth-tell me in your own words who Jesus is to you? And we could go on from their.
If you are truly seeking the truth bro you have come to the right site, the truth will set you free.

tempem:
Kai.. Uncle.
Did I ever mention to you that am a Witness?
Know this in your heart, and let it ring.
You could see how I broke down
John 1:1 and John 1:14.. using clear, truthful words to back up the write up.
Which you honestly agree to.
Just later on.. You left the last part. And dropped long list of other verses.
Am not arguing whether Jesus is God or not. I did want to know. Isn't that simple a request?

I find this out of texts when are you JW's ever interested in the KJV, it's your bible or no bible you believe in.
Forget the KJ read the 1611 version, this should give you a better insight how the bible was translated from the Latin language to the English version, and to have so many correct manuscripts, that is translated-shows the flesh can't answer your questions but the Spirit of God can.
If you are sincerely seeking for the Plain facts, bro, then become a born again Christian as the word of God tells you to be, and then try and question your own answers. Its only the word of God that sets you free. And if you still refuse to believe then Look up {Isaiah 7:14} Behold a Virgin shall conceive a Son and His name Shall be Called Immanuel {Meaning God with us} {Matthew 1:22} confirms the birth of Jesus fulfilled the Prophesy.
{Isaiah 9:6} Describes Jesus "And for us a child shall be born to us a Son shall be given "His name shall be called Wonderful counsellor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father Prince of peace".
And please explain why these scriptures are calling Jesus these names {Revelation 1:8, 17-18} Again the bible is describing Jesus as the Alpha and the Omega says the Lord, who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty, and if no-one has seen God at anytime-As you have agreed on-then of course these scriptures are only referring to Jesus?
So what does this mean? You yourself have agreed God isn't a person-because no-one has seen God at anytime.

tempem:
I don't want to comment on that now bro.

Don't lets deviate, we are taking Kjv in sight.
Don't forget I told you am interested in Kjv translation... thanks..
Oya back to my question.
I'm sincerely seeking for the plain fact, bro.

{John 1:18} NIV Bible-No one has seen God at anytime, but the one and only Son, who is Himself God.
It's only through Jesus you can see God.
{John 14:8} Philip said, "Lord" show us the Father and that will be enough for us, Jesus replied, Philip I have been with you all this time, and still you do not know Me? Anyone who has seen Me, has seen the Father. How can you say show us the Father. because in {1 john and John 1:18} clearly states no-one has seen God at anytime, because God is Spirit.
And if God's Spirit resides in His Son then the Son and His Father are One. I and the Father are One.
Now this is cool.
{Isiah 7:14 and Matthew 1:22} Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign, Behold the Virgin shall conceive a Son, And shall call Him Immanuel In the New Testament {Matthew 1:23} confirms the birth of Jesus fulfilled this important Prophesy.
{Isiah 9:6} For us a Child is born, to us a Son is Given, and the Government shall be upon His shoulder, and His name shall be called wonderful councillor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, prince of peace.
Jesus came to earth as Immanuel, meaning God with us..

tempem:
That's cool. Cleared Christ is referred to as God.

But, what does john later meant in verse 18
No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
Which God is john talking about again?
Jesus?

Explain to me clearly in which way you would like me to explain this scripture to you. I think the KJV's spells this verse out as it sounds.
Their are many bibles that explains it the same as the KJ's, And If you are asking me to agree with you about {John 1:1} and John 1:14} yes you are right-you can clearly see the scripture and you believe, I believe it too.
{Amplified Bible John 1:1} In the beginning {Before all time} was the Word {Christ} and the Word was with God, and the Word was God Himself.
So until you explain to me what actually how you would like me to answer your question, then nothing I write would make any sense to you. unless you are a born again Christian? I read a little above and you are trying to work this out with your own fleshly mind, a JW indeed.

tempem:
Are you really here for me.. .
Please,are you?
Just answer me, If I was right with that my initial quote you mentioned. That's what I seek for.