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OLAADEGBU:
One with God is a majority.

No-one is refusing anything-the problem is you don't understand the scriptures.
Their are two types of payments, that had a percentage %. The Custom tithes and the Taxes-the Taxes worked back then, the same as today.
In some countries they have what they call a GST Tax. This Tax is everything we buy, we are Taxed on. From the day you are born to the day you die, we are Taxed, on our living, you are Taxed, when we die-someone pays the burial Taxes.
Tithing was given in merchandise, shocks crops etc..It was a law to tithe a food type, but the law wasn't for all people to tithe. different tribes had different rules, Jesus didn't tithe, nor was He fussed about the Temple Taxes. {Matthew 17}
With all the Mosaic laws that was given back then, some Laws are still used today-while others are not.
Taxes of the land are still paid today.
But the law on tithing doesn't stand today. Not even the Jews today pay tithes-This Mosaic law was kept only by greedy non Christian people who knew they could used this old law-to retrieve a cash flow from God's people, either in tithes, or lets say the Catholic's believe in a purgatory system, or maybe your way of collecting, the Watchtower tells each Church to put monies into the collectors box-to help support the ministries and disasters that may happen in the future. Each Church find ways to support their own cash flow.
Each Church has greedy preachers, who live the high life, while the poor still lives in low life.

This is very un-biblical. God didn't design us to live poorly, nor did He want us helping someone else to be on the get rich plan each week, buying fancy car's, large mansions, building mega Churches for mega crowds-aeroplanes etc.., Living the high life while the poor are living the low life, {Rutherford had it all, travelling the world, didn't he? While everyone staved through the recession}
Our own needs are important too, and when a Church keeps on putting the presser on about how much the martial's cost, or they need monies for some sort of support, then do what the Lord said to do in {1 Timothy 6:5} Men of corrupt minds destitute of the truth, who suppose the godliness is the means of Gain. From such withdraw yourselves.
He want's us all the live the way He designed us the live equally. Let our Children enjoy life-let us all enjoy the life God wanted us to live.
Churches will survive just on given, and sharing with each other. If the Churches were living up to the Lord-their wouldn't be staving people around the world, not even in Africa.

dolphinheart:
why don't you pay tithe?
I Did not give you meaningless quotation, those words are from the scriptures.
It is not about shekels , it is about the customs of the Jews taken from the mosaic law to pay a certain amount of money to the temple . This money is not tithe!, when the Jews where asking Jesus about the temple tax, it was about that tax instituted on the Jews and not tithe! hope you get it now




sir, tithe and taxes are not the same, there are also not interchangeable!. you don't De ide to pay one and leave the other, you don't Decide to select which one to pay.!, the rules governing both are different and distinct!
The isrealities also pay other taxes that are not under the mosaic law.


you should have quoted the verse na!


did you read my post at all? who are the sons that don't pay tax? , you wunt be able to answer!


sir , since no law commanding Christians to gather on any day was changed, gathering together on a particular day , including Sundays is not wrong, witnesses gather together on any day of the week convenient for such gatherings .

I met up and gather in different places of worship with all other witnesses on Sunday , Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday , Saturday. The day we gather and meet is based on convenience and not on any set rule.

you have refused to show us the law that you believed was changed. you have refused to tell us who the law is for!, you gave vehemently refused to tell us how you came about Sabbath Saturday. You asked a faulty question, based on parameters that do not exist! and you have still refused to explain them .

again you did not respond to this issues :
this are the points I made which you refused to respond to
1. hope the info will include how you came about sabbath sartu r day, and how Christians are to worship on sabbath sartuday!
2. as a Christian, what day did the scriptures tell you to worship !
3. pls, include birthday to this pagan influenced doctrine o!
4. you have once again failed to quote and explain this scriptures :
Joh 17:3And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
1Jo 5:20But we know that the Son of God has come, and he has given us insight so that we may gain the knowledge of the one who is true. And we are in union with the one who is true, by means of his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and life everlasting
1Co 1:3May you have undeserved kindness and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
1Co 8:5For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,”
1Co 8:6 there is actually to us one God, the Father from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.
Joh 20:17Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”
brocab, my god is not unknown, he is the god of Jesus, the father, the almighty God, Jehovah!

After reading your page it shows you don't understand the differences between a partaker of the divine nature, and fully having the divine nature after we die. We can be partakers of the divine-that doesn't mean we are fully divine, the disciples were partakers until their flesh died, after their death they became fully divine, like the Lord is divine-once we become born again we are on our journey to become fully divine to be with the Lord after our flesh dies.
Having the Spirit of God residing inside us-He is building us up-so when the time comes we will be ready to become fully divine like He is divine in heaven. At the moment we are partakers of the divine nature.

But of course you believe otherwise 'no-one has the divine nature before they die-So you need to explain how is it, that you don't believe Elisha's bones were a partaker of God's anointing well after he had died?-If he wasn't a partaker of the divine nature before he died, then you need to explain how one man had touched his bones and was completely healed.
This man was healed instantly? Elisha at this time would have been fully in his divine body with the Lord-while his bones laid back on earth in the ground, still having God's divine healing power.
So of course this proves, not only was Elisha being a partaker of the divine nature before he died-he was fully divine after he had died-while his bones laid in the ground still having the partakers divine nature. "Why is that"?
If you say No to this question-then where did Elisha's bones receive it's power to instantly heal live people?
Please Explain
Not cunning the problem with your statement, with Paul being filled with the Spirit of God {Holy Spirit filled}, the point is JW's don't even believe in the Spirit of God-you may say you do, but you believe more on the fact the Spirit is an Active force. An active force couldn't reside in a body long enough, the description of an active force is described like it's electricity hitting you and bouncing off quickly.
So how can you say Paul was filled with the Holy Spirit?
This is why you can't believe he is a partaker of the divine nature. believe it or not-the Father the Son and the Spirit is divine. And if Paul has the Spirit of God-then Paul's a partaker of that divine, like Christ was a partaker of flesh and blood {Hebrews 2:14, 3:14} And we have become partakers of Christ.
We are partakers of His Divine Nature {2 Peter 1:4}
We are partakers of His Holiness {Hebrews 12:10}
We are partakers of the Holy Spirit {Hebrews 6:4}
We are partakers of the heavenly calling {Hebrews 3:1}
We are partakers of His suffering {1 peter 4:13}
We are partakers in God's promise the Christ {Ephesians 3:6}
We are partakers of fruit {1 Timothy 2:6}
We are partakers of the afflictions of the gospel {2 Timothy 1:8}
We are partakers of Christ's Glory {1 Peter 5:1}
So you see dolphinheart when the scriptures shows us the truth in whom are partakers of the divine, then your details trying to prove the bible's wrong and you are right, Like Elisha His bones had God's anointing still in his bones well after he had died, are you listening dolphinheart Elisha had so much of God's divine in him; that even after he had died, his bones, healed a man completely.
So this proves Elisha was a partaker of the divine nature before he died-not after he died.

dolphinheart:
your cunny tactics will get you no where!
I've stated several times, giving you details about how having spirit of God leads to your transformation from fleshly nature to divine nature. you saw that, you ignored it, only to come falsely accuse me of saying Paul never had the spirit of God in him.
You are cunning individual brocab, I've told you that paul still awaiting that promise, (which I quoted to you) and it's at the fulfillment of that hope(which he will get at the end) that will enable him to change from his fleshly nature to divine nature. you saw all this and you saw where Ive explained the relationship between divine mature and spirit of God, yet you felt you could Still bring up this false accusation.
that you could not point to where I said Paul did not have spirit of God in him has shown your accusation to be false, that I could tell you that Paul did indeed had the spirit I him shows how far you could go to lay false accusations .



thank you.



if you had not removed gods name from the scriptures you will know better, and if you had read the scriptures without predetermined views, you would not have said such

2 kings 4 :32-35
32 When E·liʹsha came into the house, the boy was lying dead on his bed.
33 He went in and closed the door behind them both and began to pray to Jehovah.
34 Then he got up on the bed and lay down on the child and put his own mouth on the boy’s mouth, his own eyes on his eyes, and his own palms on his palms and kept bent over him, and the child’s body started to grow warm.
35 He walked back and forth in the house, and he got up on the bed and bent over him again. The boy sneezed seven times, after which he opened his eyes.

who Did Elisha pray to ? Jehovah
therefore who really resurrected that child ? Jehovah
hold this thought.

luke 7: 13-16
13.When the Lord caught sight of her, he was moved with pity for her, and he said to her: “Stop weeping.”
14 With that he approached and touched the bier, and the bearers stood still. Then he said: “Young man, I say to you, get up!”
15 And the dead man sat up and started to speak, and Jesus gave him to his mother.
16 Now fear seized them all, and they began to glorify God, saying: “A great prophet has been raised up among us,” and, “God has turned his attention to his people.”
who where did people glorifying? God.
who did they call Jesus in respect to God? A great prophet!
hold this thought too?

john 11: 21,22,27,40-44
21Martha then said to Jesus: “Lord, if you had been here, my brother would not have died.
22 Yet even now I know that whatever you ask God for, God will give you.”
27 She said to him: “Yes, Lord, I have believed that you are the Christ, the Son of God, the one coming into the world.”
40 Jesus said to her: “Did I not tell you that if you would believe you would see the glory of God?”
41 So they took the stone away. Then Jesus raised his eyes heavenward and said: “Father, I thank you that you have heard me.
42. True, I knew that you always hear me; but I spoke on account of the crowd standing around, so that they may believe that you sent me.”
43 When he had said these things, he cried out with a loud voice: “Lazʹa·rus, come out!” 44. The man who had been dead came out with his feet and hands bound with wrappings, and his face was wrapped with a cloth. Jesus said to them: “Free him and let him go.”

who did Martha ascribe the power to live to ? God
what did Martha say concerning Jesus and God? Martha said " I know that wateva you ask God, God will give you!"
does Martha belief that Jesus is same person as God ? no , she said Jesus gods son, and Jesus raised no objection.
did Jesus pray to the father before resurrecting lazarus? Yes!
who did Jesus call the father? The only true god !
who did Jesus and the disciples call our only God? The father!
so who do we ascribe the resurrection to, Jesus or the father? it is to the father who heard Jesus!
through whom Did Jesus say he performed his powerful works? The father!
who did Jesus say showed him how to perform those powerful works? The father!

Now let's go to the resurrection as performed by the disciples .
Ac 9:40Peter then put everyone outside, and kneeling down, he prayed. Then turning toward the body, he said: “Tabʹi·tha, rise!” She opened her eyes, and as she caught sight of Peter, she sat up.

By what power did the disciples perform those works? by the power of the holy spirit
who gave them the holy spirit? see for yourself brocab

Ac 10:38about Jesus who was from Nazʹa·reth, how God anointed him with holy spirit and power, and he went through the land doing good and healing all those oppressed by the Devil, because God was with him.

Ac 1:8 But you will receive power when the holy spirit comes upon you, and you will be witnesses of me in Jerusalem, in all Ju·deʹa and Sa·marʹi·a, and to the most distant part of the earth.”

Joh 14:16 And I will ask the Father and he will give you another helper to be with you forever,

Lu 24:49And look! I am sending upon you what my Father promised. You, though, stay in the city until you are clothed with power....

Joe 2:28 After that I will pour out my spirit on every sort of flesh, And your sons and your daughters will prophesy, Your old men will dream dreams, And your young men will see visions.
brocab, I do hope you will read this scriptures and understand, or you will do what you do , and that is, change the issue under discuss.

Why did the disciples do this in the name of Jesus since the power to do so comes from God !
[b]Ac 4:9, 10if we are being examined today about a good deed to a crippled man, and you want to know who made this man well,10let it be known to all of you and to all the people of Israel that in the name of Jesus Christ the Naz·a·reneʹ, whom you executed on a stake but whom God raised up from the dead, by means of him this man stands here healthy in front of you.

Joh 3:16“For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life.
Joh 6:40For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who recognizes the Son and exercises faith in him should have everlasting life, and I will resurrect him on the last day.”

Joh 14:26 But the helper, the holy spirit, which the Father will send in my name, that one will teach you all things and bring back to your minds all the things I told you.

Joh 14:12Most truly I say to you, whoever exercises faith in me will also do the works that I do; and he will do works greater than these, because I am going my way to the Father

Joh 14:13Also, whatever you ask in my name, I will do this, so that the Father may be glorified in connection with the Son.

Joh 15:16You did not choose me, but I chose you, and I appointed you to go and keep bearing fruit and that your fruit should remain, so that no matter what you ask the Father in my name, he may give it to you.

AND THE MOST IMPORTANT REASON OF ALL

john 5:26 For just as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted also to the Son to have life in himself.
Joh 5:27And he has given him authority to do judging, because he is the Son of man.

do you understand the scriptures posted, if you do let us know.
read this verse too!

[b]Da 7:13“I kept watching in the visions of the night, and look! with the clouds of the heavens, someone like a son of man was coming; and he gained access to the Ancient of Days, and they brought him up close before that One.


false analogy


let me explain it to you once more
Jesus Christ is called “the firstborn from the dead.” He was the first ever to be resurrected to everlasting life.
col 1:18 and he is the head of the body, the congregation. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that he might become the one who is first in all things

And his resurrection was “in the spirit,” to life in heaven.
1 peter 3:18 For Christ died once for all time for sins, a righteous person for unrighteous ones, in order to lead you to God. He was put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit

He was raised to a higher form of life and a higher position than that which he had held in the heavens prior to coming to earth. He was granted immortality and incorruption, which no creature in the flesh can have, and was made “higher than the heavens,” second only to Jehovah God in the universe.
heb 7:26 For it is fitting for us to have such a high priest who is loyal, innocent, undefiled, separated from the sinners, and exalted above the heavens

phil 2 : 9-11 For this very reason, God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every other name, so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend—of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground — and every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.

1 cor 15:27,28 For God “subjected all things under his feet.” But when he says that ‘all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that this does not include the One who subjected all things to him. But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone
read also 1 ti 6: 14-16 , acts 2:34

His resurrection was performed by Jehovah God himself.
acts 3:15:- whereas you killed the Chief Agent of life. But God raised him up from the dead, of which fact we are witnesses

acts 5:30-32 :- The God of our forefathers raised up Jesus, whom you killed, hanging him on a stake. God exalted this one as Chief Agent and Savior to his right hand, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins. And we are witnesses of these matters, and so is the holy spirit, which God has given to those obeying him as ruler.”

rom 4:24 :-but also for our sake, to whom it will be counted, because we believe in Him who raised Jesus our Lord up from the dead.
read also romantic 10:9

” Those who are “called and chosen and faithful,” Christ’s footstep followers, his “brothers,” who are spiritually begotten as “God’s children,” are promised a resurrection like his.
rev 17:14 These will battle with the Lamb, but because he is Lord of lords and King of kings, the Lamb will conquer them. Also, those with him who are called and chosen and faithful will do so.

rom 6:5 :- If we have become united with him in the likeness of his death, we will certainly also be united with him in the likeness of his resurrection

heb 2:11 :- For both the one who is sanctifying and those who are being sanctified all stem from one, and for this reason he is not ashamed to call them brothers

The apostle Peter writes to fellow Christians: “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, for according to his great mercy he gave us a new birth to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an incorruptible and undefiled and unfading inheritance. It is reserved in the heavens for you.”— . 1 peter 1:3,4

Peter also describes the hope such ones possess as “precious and very grand promises, that through these you may become sharers in divine nature.” - 2 peter 1:4

They must undergo a change of nature, giving up human nature to obtain “divine” nature, thus sharing with Christ in his glory. They must die a death like Christ’s—maintaining integrity and giving up human life forever— and then they receive immortal, incorruptible bodies like Christ’s by a resurrection. - rom 6:3-5; 1Co 15:50-57; 2Co 5:1-3

The apostle Paul explains that it is not the body that is resurrected, but rather, he likens their experience to the planting and sprouting of a seed, in that “God gives it a body just as it has pleased him.”- 1 co 15:35-40

It is the soul, the person, that is resurrected, with a body to suit the environment into which God resurrects him.

In the case of Jesus Christ, he gave up his human life as a ransom sacrifice for the benefit of mankind. The 40th Psalm is applied to him by the inspired writer of the book of Hebrews, who represents Jesus as saying, when he came “into the world” as God’s Messiah: “Sacrifice and offering you did not want, but you prepared a body for me.” (heb 10:5 ) Jesus himself said: “For a fact, the bread that I shall give is my flesh in behalf of the life of the world.” (john 6:51)

It follows that Christ could not take his body back again in the resurrection, thereby taking back the sacrifice offered to God for mankind. Besides, Christ was no longer to abide on earth. His “home” is in the heavens with his Father, who is not flesh, but spirit. Jesus Christ therefore received a glorious immortal, incorruptible body, for “he is the reflection of [Jehovah’s] glory and the exact representation of his very being, and he sustains all things by the word of his power; and after he had made a purification for our sins he sat down on the right hand of the Majesty in lofty places. So he has become better than the angels [who are themselves mighty spirit persons], to the extent that he has inherited a name more excellent than theirs.”— . Heb 1:3, 4; 10:12, 13

Christ’s faithful brothers, who join him in the heavens, give up human life. The apostle Paul shows that they have to have new bodies repatterned, or refashioned, for their new environment: “As for us, our citizenship exists in the heavens, from which place also we are eagerly waiting for a savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, who will refashion our humiliated body to be conformed to his glorious body according to the operation of the power that he has.”— phil 3:20,21

Thanks for the enjoyable lesson bro-we all need encouragement-with anything to do with the word of God.
Even dolphinheart needs the encouragement, and as we can see-after all the full page post he kept on posting, he had finally turned towards the truth. If he knew it, or he didn't know it, he knows it now-who Christ is.
His statement has got to make us all proud, he wrote this verse 'so he must believe {1 John 5:20} does exist in his heart.
It had taken it's toll, and of course the Lord had answered our prayers-like He promise He would. That's enough evidence for me.
We will never know, but I am sure the Lord has already made plans for these unsaved people, maybe Dolphinheart didn't realised what He had written, these words may not come from dolphinheart himself directly, God's Spirit can speak through any of the unsaved-if dolphinheart knew it, or he didn't know it, he knows it now:
He himself writing such a verse on this page may even start a riot between him and his fellow comrades, or maybe the Lord has other plans, answering our prayers-He had opened a doorway for the unsaved to finally be saved.
Dolphinheart seemed to be the king of the kids-and everything he said the others would follow {Are they willing to follow him now?} This must leave them all with a thought or too?

JW's are only taught the things of the world, and the Lord said if you belong to the world-it will love you 'of it's own {John 15:19}
And of course these lies are from Satan, leading his people door knocking, asking people to vote for the One world Governing System, while Satan will be revealed to his own-and sits as God in the temple they are soon to build.

Amplified bible-{1 John 17-21} All wrong doing is sin, and their is sin that does not lead to death {One can repent of it and be forgiven}
We know {With Confidence} that everyone born of God does not habitually sin; but He {Jesus} who was born of God {Carefully} keeps and protects Him, and the evil one does not touch Him. We know {for a fact} that we are of God, and the hole world {around us} lies in the power of the evil one {opposing God and His precepts} And we {have seen and} know {by personal experience} that the Son of God has {Actually} come {To this world} and has given us understanding and insight so that we may {Progressively and personally} know Him who is true; and we are In Him who is true-In His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.
Little children {believers dear one's} guard yourselves from Idol's-{False teachers, moral compromises, and everything that world take Gods place in our heart}

johnw74:
1Jn 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

I and many agree with you bro, a sentence like the bold usually refer to the immediate person mentioned, and that Is Jesus Christ in this case.
John and other Bible writers show in many places like this one, that God and the Word is God as in John 1:1, the Spirit is needed to see them.


Albert barnes Commentary snippets:
(1) the grammatical construction here favors Christ being the true God mentioned. Christ is the immediate antecedent of the pronoun "this"

(2) this construction seems to be demanded by the adjunct which John has assigned to the phrase “the true God” - “eternal life.” This is an expression which John would be likely to apply to the Lord Jesus, considered as “life,” [end]



Joh_14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Jesus is the life, the eternal life as in 1John 5:20 and the true God referred to in that verse, along with the Father.

1Jn_1:2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us)




By the way, "this" like "it" is a pronoun and as can be seen, "this" is used for "the true God", pronouns can be used for animals and persons as well as things. John didn't say, "He is" the true God, he said, "this is"

Just a little grammar lesson for some, who won't believe it, hell they don't even believe the Bible, the Truth is not in them, they love to believe a lie.

Dolphinheart had finely admitted he believes in {1 John 5:20} Just look at my last post to Him, and read down the page. He wrote it so he must believe it.

johnw74:
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Lie Lie dolphinheart
said concerning God and the Word:


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So you do believe in all these scriptures below? This Isn't a mistake? Does this mean you had finely come to your senses, and you agree with {1 JOHN 5:20} Is this true? Dolphinheart I am surprised, after all this time-you have finely agreed "Christ is the true God.
{1 JOHN 5:20} We in union with the one who is true, by means of His son Jesus Christ, This is the true God and life everlasting.
If you truly believe this "then I know, you worship the true God.
We Christians have been telling you this from the beginning, you have made many Christians proud dolphinheart you had finely come to the truth. Amen,,,,
That's right I don't tithe, Do you?
Jesus said to Peter whom of the kings of the Earth receive Customs Or taxes, from Strangers all from their Sons, Peter answered from Strangers, Jesus then said, then the {Earthly} Sons are free.
The Strangers pay-but the Kings Sons don't pay, and speaking we are Sons of the most high, and if we are Children of God, then we are the Sons and daughters of the King of Kings, Jesus said the Sons are free.
And if you continual to read the rest of {Matthew 17} you will find Jesus didn't want to argue the point, so He sent Peter to the sea.
So it's unlikely that it was Jesus's Customs to pay Taxes in Capernaum.
Jesus said give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar. And Give to God what belongs to God. And this old law continual's until this day, no-one has changed this law..
Under the Customs acts, Taxes and Customs were given as a percentage. Customs were under the tithing act, both Tithes and Taxes had a percentage. 23% or a 10% system. This is where the money is Dolphinheart Pastors from your Church and other Churches are ripping of the people, changing the course of the Tithe, Purgatory, etc... While our Governments continual to obey the Tax Law..

dolphinheart:
why don't you pay tithe?
I Did not give you meaningless quotation, those words are from the scriptures.
It is not about shekels , it is about the customs of the Jews taken from the mosaic law to pay a certain amount of money to the temple . This money is not tithe!, when the Jews where asking Jesus about the temple tax, it was about that tax instituted on the Jews and not tithe! hope you get it now




sir, tithe and taxes are not the same, there are also not interchangeable!. you don't De ide to pay one and leave the other, you don't Decide to select which one to pay.!, the rules governing both are different and distinct!
The isrealities also pay other taxes that are not under the mosaic law.


you should have quoted the verse na!


did you read my post at all? who are the sons that don't pay tax? , you wunt be able to answer!


sir , since no law commanding Christians to gather on any day was changed, gathering together on a particular day , including Sundays is not wrong, witnesses gather together on any day of the week convenient for such gatherings .

I met up and gather in different places of worship with all other witnesses on Sunday , Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday , Saturday. The day we gather and meet is based on convenience and not on any set rule.

you have refused to show us the law that you believed was changed. you have refused to tell us who the law is for!, you gave vehemently refused to tell us how you came about Sabbath Saturday. You asked a faulty question, based on parameters that do not exist! and you have still refused to explain them .

again you did not respond to this issues :
this are the points I made which you refused to respond to
1. hope the info will include how you came about sabbath sartu r day, and how Christians are to worship on sabbath sartuday!
2. as a Christian, what day did the scriptures tell you to worship !
3. pls, include birthday to this pagan influenced doctrine o!
4. you have once again failed to quote and explain this scriptures :
Joh 17:3And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
1Jo 5:20But we know that the Son of God has come, and he has given us insight so that we may gain the knowledge of the one who is true. And we are in union with the one who is true, by means of his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and life everlasting
1Co 1:3May you have undeserved kindness and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
1Co 8:5For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,”
1Co 8:6 there is actually to us one God, the Father from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.
Joh 20:17Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”
brocab, my god is not unknown, he is the god of Jesus, the father, the almighty God, Jehovah!

Dolphinheart quote is> pls state where I said or implied that I don't believe Paul o! or where I said he does not have the Spirit of God in him!
Is this a miss print? JW's don't believe in the Spirit of God, as I recall the JW's believe the Holy Spirit is an active force.
The answer to the above question? "When you denied Paul wasn't a partaker of the divine nature, before He died.
Christ said we are in Him, and He is in us, we are branches in the vine, We are all members in one body, we are one Spirit in the Lord.
If you were a Christian you would know this. But you don't.
Matter of fact you aren't even saved, dolphinheart repent before its to late, if you don't you will end up in Hell fire with all your ancestors who have gone before you' don't be a fool turn from your evil ways, and ask the Lord for your forgiveness, Jesus is the only One who can forgive sins.
God raised the dead through the prophets? Not the prophets in the flesh raised the dead.
{1 kings 17:17-24} The widow of Zarephath's son, Elijah took the boy from her arms, and went into the upper room, and PRAYED "LORD MY GOD let this boy's life return to him.
Faithful men and women of God in the Old Testament and the New Testament were given this same gift the disciples had while raising the dead. O/T In the name of the Lord-N/T in the name of the Lord Jesus. Same name, different time flames.
They are all partakers of the divine nature.
Of course the disciples were flesh, Elijah was in the flesh-Jesus came to earth as a man-he suffered in the flesh-but Jesus is divine, and His disciples like Elijah were partakers of the divine nature. Both in different time flames, Old and New Testaments both believers prayed to the Lord, for all healing's.
And everyone in this day and age who decides to become a born again Christian, Jesus had made away for us to be partakers of the divine nature too. And when we pray and seek God's kingdom, and seek after His word, we are blessed, just as Elijah or Elisha and the disciples were blessed with the Spirit of God. As partakers of His divine nature, that we become one as He is One in us. Amen...
Elisha's performed a healing he was full of God's Spirit, after he had died, a man touched his bones and was completely healed.
The widow of Nain's son Jesus touch his coffin and raised him from the dead.
None of the prophets could heal anybody without being partakers of the divine.

dolphinheart:
pls state where I said or implied that I don't believe Paul o! or where I said he does not have the spirit of God in him!


is this a question or a statement.


I've just explained to you when one will share in the divine nature, it occurs when the promise is being fufilled, when you have excaped curruption!


the above is a lie!


when you have the holy spirit, you have a chance to enter the kingdom of God, but it is only when you enter that Kingdom that you leave your fleshly nature and put on a divine nature , thus being sharers of the divine nature with Christ.
you can't have two nature's at the same time!


haha!, your fully god does not have power now abi!. you are just restating what what I've been telling you, but still in a wrong way.
where does the holy spirit cone from? it comes from the father!. so was it the holy spirit that gave Jesus power ? no ! it was the father that gave Jesus power through the holy spirit

King James Version
Ac 10:38How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

Isa 11:2And the spirit of Jehovah will settle upon him, The spirit of wisdom and of understanding, The spirit of counsel and of mightiness, The spirit of knowledge and of the fear of Jehovah.

Isa 42:1Look! My servant, whom I support! My chosen one, whom I have approved! I have put my spirit in him; He will bring justice to the nations.

Isa 61:1The spirit of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah is upon me, Because Jehovah anointed me to declare good news to the meek. He sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to the captives And the wide opening of the eyes to the prisoners,

Mt 3:16After being baptized, Jesus immediately came up from the water; and look! the heavens were opened up, and he saw God’s spirit descending like a dove and coming upon him.


that is a lie, the prophets did not use Jesus name to raise the dead!


they had the spirit of God, but they where still in the flesh, the spirit is what assures themy that the promise will be fufilled.


stop lying against me, where did I say or implied such!



bolded is wrong!, if you had accepted the scriptures I quoted to you , you would have understood, but you could never quote and explain them!

And this is why the JW's cant say Jesus Christ is Lord-because the JW's are not born again Christians, and are not filled with the Holy Spirit as a witness, to say they are saved.

johnw74:
1Co 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.


No one can say that Jesus is God but by the Holy Ghost


Lord
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κύριος
kurios
koo'-ree-os
From κῦρος kuros (supremacy); supreme in authority, that is, (as noun) controller; by implication Mr. (as a respectful title): - God, Lord, master, Sir.
Total KJV occurrences: 748

Many would appreciate that it wouldn't take the Holy Ghost to call Jesus, Mr, master, or sir,
but to know He is God, supreme in authority, does take the Holy Ghost.

What is the Sabbath? It is a day of rest and worship.
If you had the balls to search the net, you will find the Catholic Church had admitted they were the ones who changed the Sabbath day of the week into the Sunday.
God said keep the Sabbath Holy. {Exodus 20:8}
In Isaiah :We read" It shall come to pass that from one moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, all flesh shall come and worship before "Me" Says the Lord {Isaiah 66:23} This is speaking of worship in eternity, but God specifically mentions the Sabbath and coming together for worship in this passage.
"Then they entered into Capernaum and immediately on the Sabbath He entered the synagogue and taught {Mark 1:21} "When the Sabbath had come, He began to teach in the synagogue, and many hearing Him were astonished, saying, where did this man get these things? And what wisdom is this given to Him, that such mighty works are performed by His hands. {Mark 5:2} "So He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up, And as His CUSTOM WAS, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up and read {Luke 6:6}
So you see dolphinheart it was a Custom in those days to meet on the Sabbath day. Even His disciples also followed the example of Jesus, as we can see in the book of {Acts 13:14}
When the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them on the next Sabbath {Acts 13:42} "He reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath and persuaded Jews and Greeks {Acts 18:4}
These scriptures are referring to Church services, where people gather together on the Sabbath day.
Jesus said the Sabbath was made for man {Mark 2:27} Jesus and His disciples worshipped every Sabbath not because they were Jews but because the were human beings.

dolphinheart:
you brought up the issue of sabbath, so pls tell us what sabbath is, pls also tell us the day it is observed !


it is you that should tell us that! You mentioned the sabbath, yet you know little about it!


pls what day did they I change o!
where did you read that Christians are supposed to gather on one day of the week and that day of the week has been changed by dolphinheart ?


good you noticed.

Don't we all love the JW's?
Again you have twisted everything, I had said-I answered you question the answer was I don't tithe, and you had given me, a mean less quotation about the shekels.
Customs or taxes were under that same Mosaic law-it was Israels Custom to either tithe or pay Taxes it was under their law.
{2 Genesis 14:20} It was a Custom to pay tithes and taxes and Moses paid that Custom and Tax.
Tithing was not a Tax-as many call it to be.
Jesus asked that question to Peter whom do the Customs OR Taxes be paid too the Kings of the world, from Strangers or from their own Sons. Peter said from Strangers, then Jesus said then the Sons are free.
Meaning the Sons don't pay either way-and it was a law to pay those shekels in {Exodus 30:12-16} of Taxes and Customs back then.
So dolphinheart don't answer unless you can come up with the right answers, I am tried trying to explain to you all the answers that you refuse to answer too, and then have the cheek denying I didn't reply back to you. All us Christians know you are a liar and a cheat-We all know the truth dolphinheart you read them, and then you go into hiding-refusing to answer them-only because our answers are written from the truth. So until you fill you do understand my page fully, then have the balls to be truthful, and reply back. You judge mental man "you are.
And your Quote is "Your question is faulty the law was not changed!
Think dolphinheart just ask yourself {if you can} this question why do you meet up with all you fellow JW's and all gather together in one place of worship on the Sunday, instead of the Sabbath Saturday, if the law was not changed?
Every 613 commandments made were Gods laws.

dolphinheart:
BROCAB, HOPE YOU HAVE STOPPED THAT DISGRACEFUL ACT OF FORGERY , IT IS NOT A GOOD THING. ONE HAS TO CHECK HIS POST YOU QUOTED TO SEE IF YOU HAD NOT FORGED IT!



the customs here are taxes collected from the Jews . This tax are payed to the temple, it is not the Same as tithe payed by the Jews.

ex 30: 12-16 “Whenever you take a census and count the sons of Israel, each one must give a ransom for his life to Jehovah at the time of the census. This is so that no plague may be brought upon them when they are registered.
13. This is what all those who are registered will give: a half shekel by the standard shekel of the holy place. Twenty geʹrahs equal a shekel. A half shekel is the contribution to Jehovah.
14. Everyone registered who is 20 years old and up will give Jehovah’s contribution.
15. The rich should not give more and the poor should not give less than the half shekel as a contribution to Jehovah to make atonement for your lives.
16You are to take the silver money of the atonement from the Israelites and give it in behalf of the service of the tent of meeting, that it may serve as a remembrance before Jehovah for the Israelites, to make atonement for your lives.”
this is different frome tithe , notice verse 15, same amount is collected from everyone, which is not possible with tithe.

It appears that it became customary for the Jews to give a fixed amount every year, even though a census was not taken annually. Jehoash, for example, called for “the sacred tax ordered by Moses.”- 2 Chr 24: 6,9. The Jews of Nehemiah’s time obligated themselves to pay a third of a shekel yearly for the service of the temple.— neh 10:32
In the time of Jesus’ earthly ministry, the Jews paid two drachmas to the temple. When asked whether Jesus complied with this taxation, Peter replied in the affirmative. Later, in discussing the matter, Jesus pointed out that kings do not tax their sons, the sons being part of the royal household for whom tax is collected. However, though being the only-begotten Son of the One worshiped at the temple, Jesus, to avoid giving occasion for stumbling others, saw to it that the tax was paid.
Therefore brocad, the issue is not about tithe, it is about tax, a fixed amount of money payed to the temple by the Jews every year.


continue propping yourself up everytime.


1. I do not know all the answers, stop lying against me brocab!
2. The mosaic law was ruled out?, do you even know the scriptures at all?
3. your question is faulty, the law was not changed !
4. I have never at any point said someone gave a law or commandment to worship on Sundays and all churches may follow!
you are the one having such thoughts running in your mind, but you refused to show us where such law came from, or how it affects dolphinheart.
several times Ive asked you if god gave or the scriptures mentioned a day for Christians to worship or if Christians are to worship only on one day of the week . This two questions you refused to address or answer!


LIKE THE PHARISEES YOU TOO ASSUME THAT JESUS BROKE THE SABBATH RULES. THAT SAME WRONG ASSUMPTIONS OF THE PHARISEES EXIST IN YOU, FOR YOU BELIEVE JESUS BROKE THE SABBATH RULES!

your words again :

you yourself said Jesus broke the Sabbath rules.


BROCAB, DO YOU ACCEPT THAT THE PHARISEES ACCUSATION IS CORRECT?



this are the points I made which you refused to respond to
1. hope the info will include how you came about sabbath sartu r day, and how Christians are to worship on sabbath sartuday!

2. as a Christian, what day did the scriptures tell you to worship !

3. pls, include birthday to this pagan influenced doctrine o!

4. you have once again failed to quote and explain this scriptures :

[b]Joh 17:3And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
1Jo 5:20But we know that the Son of God has come, and he has given us insight so that we may gain the knowledge of the one who is true. And we are in union with the one who is true, by means of his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and life everlasting
1Co 1:3May you have undeserved kindness and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
1Co 8:5For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,”
1Co 8:6 there is actually to us one God, the Father from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.
Joh 20:17Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”
brocab, my god is not unknown, he is the god of Jesus, the father, the almighty God, Jehovah![/b]

I Am. I and the Father are One-is enough evidence we need-Did Jesus ever say He is the Son of God, without trying to prove a point In {John 10:34-36}

johnw74:
Did Jesus Ever Say He was God?

Jesus quotes - is Jesus God? Investigate these interesting claims...

Others were convinced that Jesus was God:
Paul: "Christ is the visible image of the invisible God."1
John: "He existed in the beginning with God."2
Peter: "you must worship Christ as Lord of your life."3

But what did Jesus say about himself?

Did he ever identify himself as God? According to the Bible...absolutely! Below are some of the statements he made.

continue a good read : http://www.everystudent.com/wires/whodoyousay.html

I remember you had posted the page where dolphinheart had said that.
I through this old saying dolphinheart said was well and truly gone in the makings?
But dolphinheart waits until everything blows over, changing his own post, making false accusations against us Christians always, JW's do this because they know they haven't a leg to stand on.
I have them twisting my pages as well-after explaining to them about the Sabbath, I had one JW write back to me "telling me I was wrong saying Jesus broke the Sabbath-instead of him finishing my page he automatically crucified me for saying such a thing.
My words were>Matter of fact Jesus broke the Sabbath-next paragraph I said of course your own country men weren't to happy about it. So instead of him reading the scriptures himself, His reply back to me-didn't finish the sentence, claiming" I am calling Jesus a sinner, because I said-Jesus broke the Sabbath. I was only repeating what the pharisees had claimed.
They are to busy trying to find faults about the bible-and about us Christians, and instead of reading the sentences, they jump straight into the pit, screaming from the top of their lungs, Brocab had said this, or Johnw74 had said that.
As long as I have dealt with the JW's 'still to this day-they are more trained to lie when corned into that corner they seem to put themselves in every time. They are like little children screaming out loud saying I didn't do it, Mother, Father, he/she done it.
Don't we all love the JW's?
They can only see, what they see-and speaking 'the blind don't see.
We Christians have been patient with them-only because like the Atheist, they too need the Lord, just as much, as we need Him.
And it's the Spirit of God who had laid the true foundation down for us to see to it, everyone has the rights to be saved.
And yes the JW's are being deceived like the world is being deceived. Their witnessing is a lie from the beginning, none know Christ, and none understand Christ, none are born again Christians, none have received the Spirit of God. With consideration as we all know it, 'Their God isn't the same God written in the bible.

johnw74:
Ha ha, you saw it because you saw the link I gave to it, where dolphinheart said: "your God is two persons in one!, a two headed God!."

and see how he still lies, denying he said it.

false jw in lying is just taking after his father, it's impossible for him not to lie.


Jesus was talking to here, yes you guessed it, to the pharisees, the fore fathers of the supossed jehovah's witnesses:

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

So you decide to take bits and pieces from my statement, crossing out according to the Pharisees. Matter of fact Jesus did break the Sabbath rules on the Sabbath day according to the pharisees. And you have the cheek to say I was extremely wrong.
READ THE SCRIPTURES

CANTICLES:
Good, that UV corrected yourself by adding the strike through .

I only want to let you know your initial statement that as a Matter Of FACT , Jesus broke the Sabbath rules was extremely wrong .

you even called it a matter of Fact . spiritual blindness.

What is the Sabbath? And why did people come together and gathered on the Sabbath dolphinheart? Why was the Sabbath day kept to rest and worship. {Exodus 20:8} dolphinheart?
Tell us Who can change what God had made, who has this power to change the gathering together of people to meet on the Sun-day dolphinheart "You"?
When in scriptures tells us who is Lord of the Sabbath. Not Lord of Sun-day worship.

dolphinheart:
BROCAB , WHY DO YOU HAVE TO DESCEND TO THIS NEW LOW AGAIN! WHY DO YOU NEED TO DO THIS!
WE ARE STILL DISCUSSING ABOUT THE FACT THAT YOU SHOULD STOP CUTTING OFF PARTS OF MY POST, NOW YOU HAVE DESCENDED FROM DEFAMATION TO FORGERY!
WHY SHOULD YOU ALTER MY WORDS!
WHY SHOULD YOU ADD MY NAME TO QUOTES THAT NEVER ORIGINATED FROM ME!
BROCAB, THIS IS A NEW LOW AND SHOULD STOP IMMEDIATELY!


sir, Temple tax is different from tithe!, and these tax , Jesus did pay, even though he is not supposed to pay!
so brocab, do you pay tithe today!( plus notice if he will answer)
you also did not respond to the other issues too!

Jesus observed the sabbath like anyone who was under the mosaic law did.
You latch on to Jesus observation of the sabath, do you latch on to the other things Jesus did too? no.
do you observe the other festivals Jesus observed, NO ! , why don't you do that?
Do you observe the other holy commands of mosaic law like Jesus did? no !
do you do all the things related to the sabbath? no !


Jesus broke the Sabbath rules? wow!, plso explain how Jesus healing a man results to breaking of the rules. seems you know nothing about the Sabbath and it's rules in the mosaic law.


this exists only in your mind, for tens of pages on this thread, I've been talking about Jesus and his God! quoting scriptures that contain jesus' own words.



yet you that study could not quote and explain certain scriptures!



hope the info will include how you came about sabbath sartu r day, and how Christians are to worship on sabbath sartuday!



as a Christian, what day did the scriptures tell you to worship !


King James Version
Lu 6:5And he said unto them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
you have graduated from mentioning verses that do not exist to saying things about verses that are not present in them.

Mr 2:27, 28Then he said to them: “The Sabbath came into existence for the sake of man, and not man for the sake of the Sabbath.28So the Son of man is Lord even of the Sabbath.”

Ex 20:9, 10You are to labor and do all your work for six days,10but the seventh day is a sabbath to Jehovah your God. You must not do any work, neither you nor your son nor your daughter nor your slave man nor your slave girl nor your domestic animal nor your foreign resident who is inside your settlements.

does the scriptures say Christians should worship only on one day of the week? no
does the scriptures say Christians should worship on the sabbath? no


pls, include birthday to this pagan influenced doctrine o!


has your write up been able to show they altered sabbath day? no
does the churches say they observe the sabbath on Sunday ? no
have you been able to show where Christians are supposed to observe the sabbath law? no
have you shown the day Christians are supposed to worship ? no !

your write up could not answer any of the questions above!

Secondly.
have you been able to prove the day dolphinheart worships ? no
because one worships on Sunday, will it automatically mean that one follows the law of the Catholic Church? no!
is it possible two organization's can choose same day for their worship, using different guidelines? Yes!



I will advise you to open ya mouth and tell which day Christians are supposed to worship !


they do not believe in an unknown god, severAl times I've told you about their God, I'll tell you one more time !

[b]Joh 17:3And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

1Jo 5:20But we know that the Son of God has come, and he has given us insight so that we may gain the knowledge of the one who is true. And we are in union with the one who is true, by means of his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and life everlasting

1Co 1:3May you have undeserved kindness and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

1Co 8:5For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,”
1Co 8:6[u]there is actually to us one God, the Father,[/u] from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.

Joh 20:17Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”[/b]

brocab, my god is not unknown, he is the god of Jesus, the father, the almighty God, Jehovah!


you failed to address the "these" and how it affects the witnesses !


and so ?
do they have most of the manuscripts available today then(at that time)? no!


witnesses will tell you about Jesus, how God sent him to come and redeem us , how he will be king of God's Kingdom which he will use to solve all of mankind's problem , how he is the mediator between us and his God. They will also tell you how one can gain evaluating life through the knowledge of Jesus and the one who sent him, Jehovah, the father, the only true god !.

Don't we love the way you miss quote scriptures, What were the customs dolphinheart?
Why did Jesus say to Peter whom do the kings of the earth take customs or taxes from strangers, or from their sons, Peter answered from Strangers, Jesus said: then the Sons are free. I bet you don't even know what Jesus meant by these verses.
The answer is no I don't pay tithes.
If you knew the Christ like you say you do" by your fruit 'we will recognise you. But we Christians don't..
And since you believe you know all the answers, then at least answer this>If the Sabbath was part of the Mosaic law and it was ruled out by Jesus. Then who changed the law and gave a new commandment to worship on Sunday-that all Churches may follow
Come on dolphinheart this is an easy one to answer.
Is this really true-JW's twist and turn the scriptures, leaving half what is written out from the verses. Just to prove a senseless point.
Cant you read the scriptures yourself, is it because your afraid to admit it was Your ancestors the pharisees that accused Jesus for breaking the rules, Only because Jesus performed miracles of healing on the Sabbath, {Matthew 2:10, Mark 3:2, John 9 14-16} John records that Jesus performed a healing during one of the festivals in Jerusalem. John's gospel records what happen next, when Jesus confronted His accusers: Jesus answered them" My Father has been working until now, and I have been working.' Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, Because He not only broke the Sabbath, but He also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God" {John 5:17-18} From this, many assume that your ancestors the Pharisees accusation-that Jesus broke the Sabbath-was correct.
Scriptures also records that Jesus disciples were walking through a field on the Sabbath plucking and ate heads of grain; seeing this some pharisees asked them, "why are you doing that, when it is not lawful to do on the Sabbath {Luke 6:2} Again many accept that the pharisees accusation is correct, and by their actions Jesus and His Disciples did not Keep the Sabbath.
Do we go on dolphinheart about this point made, and why is it always to much for you to study up the scriptures yourself, and see why your ancestors accused Jesus for breaking the Sabbath?
You JW'S do believe in the word of God Don't you?

dolphinheart:
BROCAB , WHY DO YOU HAVE TO DESCEND TO THIS NEW LOW AGAIN! WHY DO YOU NEED TO DO THIS!
WE ARE STILL DISCUSSING ABOUT THE FACT THAT YOU SHOULD STOP CUTTING OFF PARTS OF MY POST, NOW YOU HAVE DESCENDED FROM DEFAMATION TO FORGERY!
WHY SHOULD YOU ALTER MY WORDS!
WHY SHOULD YOU ADD MY NAME TO QUOTES THAT NEVER ORIGINATED FROM ME!
BROCAB, THIS IS A NEW LOW AND SHOULD STOP IMMEDIATELY!


sir, Temple tax is different from tithe!, and these tax , Jesus did pay, even though he is not supposed to pay!
so brocab, do you pay tithe today!( plus notice if he will answer)
you also did not respond to the other issues too!

Jesus observed the sabbath like anyone who was under the mosaic law did.
You latch on to Jesus observation of the sabath, do you latch on to the other things Jesus did too? no.
do you observe the other festivals Jesus observed, NO ! , why don't you do that?
Do you observe the other holy commands of mosaic law like Jesus did? no !
do you do all the things related to the sabbath? no !


Jesus broke the Sabbath rules? wow!, plso explain how Jesus healing a man results to breaking of the rules. seems you know nothing about the Sabbath and it's rules in the mosaic law.


this exists only in your mind, for tens of pages on this thread, I've been talking about Jesus and his God! quoting scriptures that contain jesus' own words.



yet you that study could not quote and explain certain scriptures!



hope the info will include how you came about sabbath sartu r day, and how Christians are to worship on sabbath sartuday!



as a Christian, what day did the scriptures tell you to worship !


King James Version
Lu 6:5And he said unto them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
you have graduated from mentioning verses that do not exist to saying things about verses that are not present in them.

Mr 2:27, 28Then he said to them: “The Sabbath came into existence for the sake of man, and not man for the sake of the Sabbath.28So the Son of man is Lord even of the Sabbath.”

Ex 20:9, 10You are to labor and do all your work for six days,10but the seventh day is a sabbath to Jehovah your God. You must not do any work, neither you nor your son nor your daughter nor your slave man nor your slave girl nor your domestic animal nor your foreign resident who is inside your settlements.

does the scriptures say Christians should worship only on one day of the week? no
does the scriptures say Christians should worship on the sabbath? no


pls, include birthday to this pagan influenced doctrine o!


has your write up been able to show they altered sabbath day? no
does the churches say they observe the sabbath on Sunday ? no
have you been able to show where Christians are supposed to observe the sabbath law? no
have you shown the day Christians are supposed to worship ? no !

your write up could not answer any of the questions above!

Secondly.
have you been able to prove the day dolphinheart worships ? no
because one worships on Sunday, will it automatically mean that one follows the law of the Catholic Church? no!
is it possible two organization's can choose same day for their worship, using different guidelines? Yes!



I will advise you to open ya mouth and tell which day Christians are supposed to worship !


they do not believe in an unknown god, severAl times I've told you about their God, I'll tell you one more time !

[b]Joh 17:3And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

1Jo 5:20But we know that the Son of God has come, and he has given us insight so that we may gain the knowledge of the one who is true. And we are in union with the one who is true, by means of his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and life everlasting

1Co 1:3May you have undeserved kindness and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

1Co 8:5For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,”
1Co 8:6[u]there is actually to us one God, the Father,[/u] from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.

Joh 20:17Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’”[/b]

brocab, my god is not unknown, he is the god of Jesus, the father, the almighty God, Jehovah!


you failed to address the "these" and how it affects the witnesses !


and so ?
do they have most of the manuscripts available today then(at that time)? no!


witnesses will tell you about Jesus, how God sent him to come and redeem us , how he will be king of God's Kingdom which he will use to solve all of mankind's problem , how he is the mediator between us and his God. They will also tell you how one can gain evaluating life through the knowledge of Jesus and the one who sent him, Jehovah, the father, the only true god !.

How funny does this sound" Are you serious, you can't believe Paul not only was he a man he also was filled with the Spirit of God-don't you know anything about Christ.
Christ didn't work alone-No flesh can raise the dead, heal the sick, but the Spirit can. Jesus needed the Spirit of God to pull off such miracles?
This same Holy Spirit that Jesus had, He gave to His disciples, His disciples couldn't pull off a stunt in their flesh alone-they were given a gift from God to be partakers of the divine nature, and it's the Spirit who can raise the dead.
Christ is the divine, the Father and the Holy Spirit are divine-No-one can pull off such stunts without being a partaker of their divine nature.
Jesus said Go out unto the world and baptise them in the name of the Father the Son and the Holy spirit-this is the keys to retrieve such nature. Their isn't another way into heaven, becoming born again is your only chance to enter into the kingdom of God.
Dolphinheart It seems you must enjoy making some kind of a mockery out of yourself-this is insane, the scriptures are so clear, that it doesn't need rocket science to work out what Jesus had said.
Are you listening to yourself, no wonder you can't accept Christ into your life-you don't even believe in Him well enough, to even understand Jesus couldn't do these miracles on His own accord He needed the Spirit of God to give Him the power to pull this off.
His Disciples needed the Spirit of God, no-one can raise the dead without Jesus's divine name mentioned.
{1 Corinthians 2:14} The person without the Spirit can-not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, but considers them foolishness.
{Romans 8:5} Those who live according to the flesh have their minds set on what the flesh desires.
{Galatians 5:16} So I say walk by the Spirit, and shall not fill the lust of the flesh.
Those who have accepted Christ and becoming a born again Christian are saved, Paul like the rest of us {Ephesians 6:12} War against flesh and blood, against the Principalities, against powers and against the rulers of the darkness of this age.
Do you even know what this verse is telling you.
And going by Dolphinheart's description, he believes Paul wasn't filled with the Spirit of God, meaning to say Jesus disciples could raise the dead, heal the sick, and the blind now see, all in the name of their own flesh.
Peter said silver and Gold I do not have, but what I have, I give to you, in the name of Jesus stand up and walk.
No-one can do such miracles without having the power-and this power can only come from the Christ Himself, Jesus's disciples couldn't heal the sick raise the dead, unless they had the Spirit of God to give them that power, this same power Jesus formed miracles, He was alive, He was dead, and look He is alive forevermore.
No man in the flesh can raise Himself up-and sit at God's right side, it's He's name that stands above any other name-healing the sick raising the dead, the blind now see, all in the name of Jesus. {No one can raise up anyone in the name Jehovah}
Peter did not say in his own name get up and walk, he said in Jesus's name get up and walk.
This is the divine that has the power, to do such miracles dolphinheart. The flesh alone can-not heal others unless one is a partaker of the divine nature to do so...

dolphinheart:
PLS NOTE ONCE MORE, HE COULD NOT RESPOND, QUOTE AND EXPLAIN THE SCRIPTURES QUOTE TO HIM

being born again Is not part of the divine nature!, Paul like others where still battling with their present fleshy nature, despite being born again!.if you have divine nature, you wunt be flesh and blood, FLESH AND BLOOD CANNOT INHERIT GOD'S KINGDOM, BUT FLESH AND BLOOD CAN BE BORN AGAIN. THEREFORE, HAVING THE SPIRIT OF GOD DOES NOT MEAN YOU HAVE DIVINE NATURE!


postrich it's content here, so all can know what you are talking about!


post it's content here, so we can examine it.


he will be a partaker or share in the divine nature after he died, after he had fought to the end!, divine nature cannot be in flesh nature, divine nature is divine, cannot be part of a slave nature.


never said Paul did not have gods spirit , that power and jesus promise is what Paul said will put them through that they may partake in the divine nature!, but he urged them to continue earnest effort (2 Peter 1: 5 ) and be more dililgent(verse 10). These is done to prevent falling by the way(remember they already have gods spirit o) and ensure they attain to that promise of jesus, which will ensure them partaking in the divine nature!

King James Version
Heb 4:11Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

paul, like others with the holy spirit, could still fall short having divine nature , hence he told them in verse 10

2Pe 1:10Therefore, brothers, be all the more diligent to make your calling and choosing sure for yourselves, for if you keep on doing these things, you will by no means ever fail.
what could make them fail? succumbing to their present nature flesh!

Heb 6:11But we desire each one of you to show the same industriousness so as to have the full assurance of the hope down to the end,
Heb 6:12so that you may not become sluggish, but be imitators of those who through faith and patience inherit the promises.
Paul like the others, have to hope down to the end, I bet you know what hope is, you can't still have hope in something if you already have that something! and this hope on the promise can only be achieved at the end! , with faith and patience( bet you understand what faith means!)

Read the promises again and decipher when it will come to pass, look at it and see if it can be achieved on earth!

Lu 22:29, 30and I make a covenant with you, just as my Father has made a covenant with me, for a kingdom,
30so that you may eat and drink at my table in my Kingdom, and sit on thrones to judge the 12 tribes of Israel.

Joh 14:2In the house of my Father are many dwelling places. Otherwise, I would have told you, for I am going my way to prepare a place for you.

Ga 3:29Moreover, if you belong to Christ, you are really Abraham’s offspring, heirs with reference to a promise.


you use heLl anyhow , when it suits you, it's flesh that will end up in hell, not soul again!



Php 3:20But our citizenship exists in the heavens, and we are eagerly waiting for a savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ,
Php 3:21who will transform our humble body to be like his glorious body by his great power that enables him to subject all things to himself.

brocab, this is the point where having divine nature occurs, when the promise is being fulfilled! Paul left his flesh nature and had divine nature.

and when will these occur?
1Co 15:42So it is with the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised up in incorruption.
1Co 15:49And just as we have borne the image of the one made of dust, we will bear also the image of the heavenly one.

when paul was talking, was he bearing the image of the heavenly one? no
2Pe 1:13But I consider it right, as long as I am in this tabernacle, to stir you with reminders
2Pe 1:14knowing as I do that my tabernacle is soon to be removed, just as also our Lord Jesus Christ made clear to me.


continue saying things you don't know!

But your words don't match up to the truth, people from all walks of life have found the deepest secrets you JW's have hidden away from the public since your father Charles Russell a 33 degree Freemason who had discovered your organisation.
What your problem is, you can't prove they are lies, because you yourself have denied-the things that do exist.
And agreed on things that don't exist.
So who's going to listen to you?

goodnewscliff:
CRAPPSSS....SERIOUSLY BUNCH OF POO AND LIES

Why can't you give the answers on Nairaland? Is it because you too will be proven a lair, like the rest of you religious nuts-are you expecting people to listen to your lies?
This is a story I had heard many years ago, so if everyone have any dealt's about any organisations like the JW's..
Then you should listen to this.
I can remember as clear as day-A story was told to me, and it went something like this.
I was sitting in front of a Kingdom Hall Church in the heat of the day, I was hungry, I was thirsty, I was dirty, my cloths were torn, my flesh was weak, my body smelt, and I was seen sitting in the gutter.
While on my adventure I had notice people from all walks of life walking into the building behind me, a place they called the Kingdom hall, No-one stopped to ask why I was sitting in the gutter, nor did they ask me in. No-one asked if I was Ok, No-one offered me a drink, nor a bite to eat.
I decided to make my way into the hall, no-one spoke to me, I sat down before I fell down on the floor, I was tried 'but no-one offered me a place where I could lay my head.
I then noticed someone walking towards me, and stopped, I looked" and the voice said sorry sir, you need to leave.
In the heat of the day I then returned back to my gutter, no tree's to give me shade, no rivers I could drink from, so I laid down, and as I laid, a man came to me, and laid His hands on me-He gave me water to drink-and He gave me something to eat-He asked what is wrong" I told Him Kingdom hall refuses me in the house of God-He said that's alright, I have been trying for years to get Myself in, and the JW's refuses Me too.

goodnewscliff:
meet any witness in ur area and tell him to explain....any witness can give answer to that.if he doesnt knw it, he /she will go back and do research and come with a good bonafide answer....CANT GIVE ANSWERS about that ON NAIRALAND....NA BY FORCE?? LOL

In the name of Jesus. Come.[quote author=CANTICLES post=46702852][/quote]

[quote author=CANTICLES post=46702852]I do agree with you brocab, it is true the pharisees wanted to catch him out by watching every move he made. I am a Jehovah witness, not by choice i am brainwashed by parents, and i wish i was a believer in Christ too.

No, Stop trying to twist my words lair-if you had read my hole page with dignity, it would tell you, why your ancestors, wanted to destroy Jesus.
The pharisees never believed in Him, and why should you. Both pharisees in different time flames.
If you knew how to read the scriptures, Jesus broke the Sabbath law according to the Pharisees.

CANTICLES:
concentrate and see how you just make Jesus a sinner , you said Jesus broke the LAW of Sabbath , didn't you ?

It is you who had rejected Jesus, Jesus was accused by your ancestors the pharisees, claiming He broke their law on the Sabbath, when He Healed a mans hand. Only because the scriptures tells us the Sabbath is a day to rest to keep it Holy, so when Jesus healed the mans hand the Pharisees took offence to it, the Sabbath as its written in the scriptures {Genesis 2:2} {Exodus 20:8-11} Remember the Sabbath day to Keep it Holy, six days you shall labour, and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath to the Lord your God, On it you shall not do any work, you or your son, or your daughter, your male servant or your female servant. So don't be alarmed when your ancestors tried to destroy Jesus when He broke their law.
So you being a JW need to take this one up with your ancestors, they didn't accept Christ then, and you don't accept Christ now.

CANTICLES:
Man, you are the one who rejected Jesus doing good on the Sabbath, did you not claim Jesus broke the Sabbath rules ? therefore making him a sinner against the law .

I demand an explanation for your irresponsible remark that Jesus broke the Sabbath rules !!!

You need to ask your brothers and sisters the Pharisees, they rejected Jesus doing good on the Sabbath.

CANTICLES:
Sorry bro , I never knew you are this spiritually blind like the Pharisees @ bold ... Is it wrong to do good on the Sabbath ? then how exactly did Jesus broke the Sabbath rules !

I demand an explanation.

If you knew your scriptures more clearly you would have knowing Jesus didn't pay tithes. Now understand these simple verses {Matthew 17:24-27} Now those who receive the temple tax came to Peter and said, does your teacher not pay the temple tax, "He said yes" And when Peter had come into the house Jesus asked Him saying Simon Peter, From whom to the Kings of the earth take Customs or tax, from their Sons or from Strangers? "Peter said to Him from Strangers" Jesus said to Him then the Sons are Free.
"Jesus said never the less at least we offend them" go to the sea, cast a hook and the first fish that comes up take the money and give it to them for you and Me.
Jesus didn't want to argue over the matter, so He sent Peter to collect the cash. Just to shut them up.
{Genesis 14} Abraham paid there Custom tithes, with goods that didn't belong to him. .
{Before we continual with the Sabbath Jesus broke the Sabbath rules-Jesus healed a mans hand, and it was your own countrymen the Pharisees who tried to make a mockery out of Jesus doing good. But you should know this, your own religious ancestors, wanted to murder the Christ. They did after 3 years. But He came and He done what He came for, Jesus saved the world.}
I do understand why you feel Jesus didn't do enough for you-and this is why you keep Jehovah God as your main attraction, I find this always with the Atheist rejecting Christ, we were all the same' until that final moment some of us found Christ-but others as yourself are still searching, this is why Jesus's name never really came into assistance to you. You may have been a JW all your life and still you don't know the scriptures, because you have never studied them because of your restricted attitude you have towards Christ..
I actually thought you were the studying type-but of course I was wrong about you-I should have realised you worship a God you don't even know-and you call yourself a JW and you had already denied Charles Russell manuscripts." You are more of a copywriter, without having the knowledge to study.
Well we Christians are always searching for the truth, and we find it. The lord said first seek the kingdom of God and all things shall be added to you.
Here I found a little info for you about why you worship on the Sunday instead of the Sabbath Saturday.
Millions of Christians today keep that day as Holy as it were.
But If I was to worship on a Sunday, and the scriptures said Sunday isn't the Sabbath day, I would study whom gave the authority to change that day?
Yet for nearly 2000 years had past, now millions of Christians have worship on Sunday. "The Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath {Luke 6:5} Here Jesus stated His claim and forbid anyone to meddle with the Sabbath, Yet He knew their will be those who would claim the power to Change God's law. Through Daniel He warned of just such a man. Describing of a "Little horn power" {Daniel 7:8} Daniel describes he will speak against the Most High and oppress His Saints, and try to change the set times and the Laws" {Daniel 7:25}
Paul made a similar prediction:" Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. He will appose and will exalt himself over everything he is called God or is worshipped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming Himself to be God. {2 Thessalonians 2:3-7}
{Here is something for you-The Pope claims he can forgive Sins}
Paul warned that the blasphemy was already at work, and that is will come not from the outside influence, but from within the Church {2 Thessalonians 2:7, Acts 20:28-30} Sure enough, not long after Paul's day, apostasy appeared in the Church.
About a 100 years before Christianity, Egyptian, Mithraists introduce the festival of Sunday, dedicated to worshipping the Sun, into the Roman empire. Later as Christianity grew, Church leaders wished to increase the numbers of the Church. In order to make the gospel more attractive to non Christians, pagan customs were incorporated into the Church ceremonies. The custom of Sunday worship was welcomed by Christians who desired to differentiate themselves from the Jews, whom they hated because of the Jew's rejection of the savoir. The first day of the began to be recognised as both a religious and civil holiday. By the end of the second century, Christians considered it sinful to work on Sunday.
The Roman emperor Constantine, a former Sun worshipper, confessed conversion to Christianity, through his subsequent actions suggest the "conversion" was more of a Political move then a genuine heart change. Constantine named himself bishop of the Catholic Church, and enacted the first civil law regarding Sunday Observance in A.D.321.
Firstly this information may shoot straight over your head, but at least with this information in front of you, you dolphinheart worship a day, that the Catholic Church had designed for religious witnesses as yourself.
And if you don't know which day you should worship then I advise you to stay at home and study some of Romes history why they changed the Sabbath day, into the Sunday-History states through Pagan religion, they don't worship the SON they worship the SUN.

You want answers but you aren't prepared to read or watch them-Secondly I gave you the video so maybe you could have learned something about History, but I suppose that's to difficult for you, to even know such knowledge.
I would hate to be a JW, it must be hard for you all, not allowed to study outside the Church, if the JW's are as good as they believe they are-then why do you believe in the unknown God and not Jesus
Dolphinheart's Quote> How does this affect the witnesses? The answer to this question it does, People from all walks of life are searching for the truth, and because of the many religious back grounds around the world, people are becoming more confused, and in most cases people walk the other way.
You believed Jesus tithed-the truth is He didn't tithe. With all the wrong teachings around the world, people run the other way.
The KJV would be the most closes to the 1611 version written bible ever made.
If I had a JW at my door and a Mormon of the latter day saints at my door at the same time, what information do you believe I would receive about Jesus? None.. You don't preach it, so why should he

dolphinheart:
I would like to say I enjoyed watching that video and I will like to talk more on the subject. I told you then, pls tell us what you learnt from the video, how did the Catholic Church change the sabbath day.?
How does this affect the witnesses?

I had seen it myself bro, Dolphinheart will never own up to the truth.

johnw74:
Lie Lie dolphinheart

The thread - the OP, was about John 1:1, about God and the Word being God.

false jw dolphinheart said concerning God and the Word: "your God is two persons in one!, a two headed God!."

and false jw continues to twist and lie and deny that he called God and the Word a two headed god.


and I did post a link to it, absolutely everything you said is lies, not just part of it, but all of it.

Speaking lies is speaking naturally for Lie Lie dolphinheart

Jesus is definately talking off false jw's here, as well as other habitual liars of course:

Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Aussie Aussie Aussie http://www.jwfacts.com/pdf/mental-health-jws-john-spencer.pdf

johnw74:
More on the sect who call themselves Jehovah's Witnesses

In 1949 Dr. Pescor found that 8% of his
total examples of jw's were classified as
psychotic. This meams the level of
psychosis among witnesses is about 40
times higher than the rate for the popu-
lation as a whole.

read here:

on jw mental health:
http://www.jwfacts.com/pdf/jws-mental-illness-john-stedman.pdf#page=1&zoom=auto,-82,354



some other similar articles:

more on jw mental health:
www.jwfacts.com/pdf/mental-health-jws-john-spencer.pdf

mental health issues in jw women
www.jwfacts.com/.../Wifely-Subjection-Mental-Health-Issues-in-JW-Women. pdf

jw's and schizophrenia:
www.jwfacts.com/pdf/jehovahs-witnesses-schizophrenia.pdf

I have the links below just press each one and read on.
There are many sites that shows the truth about the Finished Mystery 1917, the book that Jesus approved.
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/206938/finished-mystery-1917-book-that-Jesus-approved
http://www.patheos.com/Library/Jehovahs-Witnesses
https://www.nairaland.com/2720878/jehovahs-witnesses-17-facts-people
This site the JW admited Charles Russell was their founder, at the bottom of their page and yet the rest of the JW's on this page deny Charles Russell was their founder. http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/higher-education-university.php
The JW's are only allowed to learn less of the bible. If they get caught studying else where, they will be banned for life from their cult.
Just watch the JW's lie even more through their teeth, when you quote the truth to them.
Have fun. This link may interest you http://www.jwfacts.com/pdf/mental-health-jws-john-spencer.pdf

paulGrundy:
How did you get access to rutherfords, russels books? Which site? Am interested.

It would be nice to post the books that contain past watchtower teaxhings, so that Witnesses can see how ridiculous watchtower edicts and structures can be.

What dolphinheart failed to answer this one correctly. Does he ever answer any of them correctly?
Dolphinheart we know these websites are off limits for you, and the JW's don't approve you to read other sites that may lead you into the truth about Christ-but listen, no-one will know? But you need to understand One must be born again before he/she has anything to do with the divine nature. HE/SHE CAN NOT ENTER INTO THE KINGDOM OF GOD WITHOUT BEING BORN AGAIN WHICH IS PART OF THE DIVINE NATURE.
If you chose not to listen to me, then at least give some thought and look into these web sites.
http://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/gills-exposition-of-the-bible/2-peter-1-4.html
Look up this website below, and find out why your organisation won't educate you concerning the Word of God. http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/higher-education-university.php
Quote>Dolphinheart said>therefore brocab, divine nature cannot be in the flesh. Peter was still a mortal till he died, therefore he did not have divine nature till he died. Dolphinheart don't believe Paul as a man in the flesh was also filled with the Holy Spirit being a partaker of the divine nature before He died?
If Paul didn't have the Spirit of God, the divine, then how did he have it after he had died?
His flesh would end up in hell, where your flesh is heading.
Having God's divine nature Paul was transformed into heaven {Philippians 3:20-21}
Dolphinhearts second quote>therefore brocab you can have the holy spirit. Dolphinheart refuses to have the Spirit of God?
Isn't the Holy Spirit part of the Godhead the divine, and you refuse to have Him. No-wonder nothing you write makes any sense and your spirit is dead while trying to understand the scriptures.

dolphinheart:
continue boasting, let him who things he stands beware that he does not fall!.
Seek Jehovah, all you meek ones of the earth, Who observe his righteous decrees. Seek righteousness, seek meekness. Probably you will be concealed on the day of Jehovah’s anger.



why do you always deliberately get the scriptures wrong, Did the verses say they will be partakers of divine nature through gods promise ? no!

let's start with verse 3
New International Version
His divine power has given us everything we need for a godly life through our knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and goodness.

English Standard Version
His divine power has granted to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of him who called us to his own glory and excellence,

King James Bible
According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue.

do you understand what Peter said their? he says God's divine power, has given to them/ granted them(believers) all things that pertain to life and godliness/godly life/ godly devotion. These god did through the knowledge of him who called them to/by his OWN GLORY AND GOODNESS/VIRTUE/EXCELLENCE.

This is a very important verse to understand. do you remember what Jesus said in John 17 : 3: This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.

it is on these that verse 4 stands(note the underlined)
verse 4
[b]New International Version
Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature, having escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.

English Standard Version
by which he has granted to us his precious and very great promises, so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped from the corruption that is in the world because of sinful desire.

King James Bible
Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.[/u]

hope you can see all that is involved before becoming partakers in the divine nature, it not just through a promise.

now the real issue at hand is , what is the divine nature and what does it mean to participate in it.
Note, Peter , despite having the holy spirit , has not participated in these divine nature o, neither have those he was talking to. hope you noticed the words " you may".
that they have not participated in the divine nature can also be Deduced from the promises themselves.

Lu 22:29, 30and I make a covenant with you, just as my Father has made a covenant with me, for a kingdom,
30so that you may eat and drink at my table in my Kingdom, and sit on thrones to judge the 12 tribes of Israel.

Joh 14:2In the house of my Father are many dwelling places. Otherwise, I would have told you, for I am going my way to prepare a place for you.

Ga 3:29Moreover, if you belong to Christ, you are really Abraham’s offspring, heirs with reference to a promise.
since these promises had not been fulfilled when Peter was writing these, it also means he is not yet partaking in the divine nature.


King James Version
Ro 5:12Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

King James Version
Ro 7:14For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal,(human, flesh, fleshly) sold under sin.
hope with the quoting of these verse, we can understand that sin is not our nature, but our nature which is flesh, fleshly , human is sold under sin.
that is why Paul could further say :

King James Version
Ro 7:15For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.

King James Version
Ro 7:18For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

King James Version
Ro 7:20Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

so brocab, our nature is human, but we are presently under sin influence , not that we have sin nature!

that verse was talking about those who are under the control of the flesh, not all humans.



King James Version
Ro 5:16And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.

I DO NOT KNOW WHICH TRANSLATION YOU ARE USING , BUT CAN YOU PLS CAN YOU QUOTE WHAT ROM 5: 16 ,23 SAYS .
*This is one of the side effects of copy and paste and refusal to quote scriptures.

King James Version
2Pe 2:19While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.

lemme add this scripture:
Ro 6:16Do you not know that if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey, either of sin leading to death or of obedience leading to righteousness?

There are countless humans who have been obedient to god, despite being under sins influence, sometimes the flesh causes them to sin, but they did not allow it gain control of their lives.



after going on a wild goose chase, you just blew it up when you came back to the topic at hand,
your refusal to quote those scriptures has afforded you the chance to change the words as used in those verses, and thus make it look like it is talking about divine nature.
is Peter and the believers changed man/ men? Yes
was Peter and the believers given divine power? Yes
did Peter say he and the believers have divine nature? no
will continue on these below.


now let's see where you got it wrong? you attributed divine nature to those who must be saved from the natural, if they where saved from the natural Peter and others will not be admonishing them to put on effort to do certain things, so that they will not fail !(2 Peter 1: 5-11)

[b]2Ti 4:7, 8I have fought the fine fight, I have run the race to the finish, I have observed the faith.8From this time on, there is reserved for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, will give me as a reward in that day, yet not to me only, but also to all those who have loved his manifestation.

Php 2:12Consequently, my beloved ones, just as you have always obeyed, not only during my presence but now much more readily during my absence, keep working out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

2Ti 2:15Do your utmost to present yourself approved to God, a workman with nothing to be ashamed of, handling the word of the truth aright.

Heb 4:11Let us therefore do our utmost to enter into that rest, so that no one may fall into the same pattern of disobedience.

Jude 3Beloved ones, although I was making every effort to write you about the salvation we hold in common, I found it necessary to write you to urge you to put up a hard fight for the faith that was once for all time delivered to the holy ones.[/b]

secondly, you made a blunder, there is a big difference between continuing to sin and sin itself, you can sin, but not continue to commit sins.

another mistake you made is the mentioning of God making us his sons and daughters, do you know when this will occur?
Ro 8:23Not only that, but we ourselves also who have the firstfruits, namely, the spirit, yes, we ourselves groan within ourselves while we are earnestly waiting for adoption as sons, the release from our bodies by ransom.
do you see how this verse splits your doctrine apart? they have the spirit, which you say makes you have the divine nature, but are they yet fully sons of God? no , they are earnestly waiting for the adoption as sons. they are still in their fleshly , human bodies, despite gaining control over it, they gave nor been released yet.

Re 21:7Anyone conquering will inherit these things, and I will be his God and he will be my son.

brocab, you can have the holy spirit, you can overcome your fleshly nature which is under sin, but they are all a means to and end and not the end itself, it does not mean you have divine nature, it means you are in line to reCieve that promise . It is more than not continue sinning, cus you wunt sin in the first place. It is more than also having power over the flesh cus you would not be in the flesh, those with divine nature will be children of God, being in God's Kingdom, and the scriptures had made it clear that flesh and blood cannot inherit that Kingdom.

1Co 15:53For this which is corruptible must put on incorruption, and this which is mortal must put on immortality.

1Pe 1:3, 4Praised be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, for according to his great mercy he gave us a new birth to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4to an incorruptible and undefiled and unfading inheritance. It is reserved in the heavens for you,

1Jo 3:2Beloved ones, we are now children of God, but it has not yet been made manifest what we will be. We do know that when he is made manifest we will be like him, because we will see him just as he is.

Re 20:6Happy and holy is anyone having part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no authority, but they will be priests of God and of the Christ, and they will rule as kings with him for the 1,000 years

therefore brocab, divine nature cannot be in the flesh. Peter was still a mortal till he died, therefore he did not have divine nature till he died.

Ro 8:30Moreover, those whom he foreordained are the ones he also called; and those whom he called are the ones he also declared to be righteous. Finally those whom he declared righteous are the ones he also glorified.

hope you can see the sequence.

Firstly I did give you the evidence about the Roman Catholic Church how they Changed the Sabbath Saturday into their Sun worship Sunday' But because you had refused to look in the video I provided for you on Page 95.
Then their is nothing more I can say, you are just full of yourself I bet you don't even know which side of the bed you wake up on?
The Sabbath day was blessed as the day of worship by God Himself.
Am I writing to a child? It seems you still don't understand dolphinheart why people gather together on one day of the week, either it's on a Saturday or the Sunday, any day-but it's one day of the week everyone gathers together to worship in one accord.

Jesus kept the Holy Sabbath-same with His disciples, they kept it too. But it was the Roman Catholic's who had changed it, from the Sabbath, to worship after their pagan beliefs, the Sun God, changing it into Sunday, and of course you are part of the many millions who have chosen to walk blind not knowing any history why Pagan religion is still active today.
Jesus preached and done Miracles on the Sabbath He done Miracles everyday-and He taught everyday. We teach everyday-we are spreading the gospel and the truth about Christ everyday.
But theirs a day when the Christians gather together in one accord. And in your case you don't know who you worship I believe you worship "the SUN, but I don't believe you worship the SON.

dolphinheart:
good for you to note that it is only those those get into gods kingdom that will have that nature!, align that to if you have gods nature now and what needs to happen to those who will enter gods kingdom.


You yourself can see how lame you are! have you forgortten your statement :


did you forget my question:
" instead of Sabbath sartudday?, are you implying there was a day the scripture set aside for worship by Christians ?
instead of you to answer the question, you are here rambling about the Sabbath which you don't even know which day it occurs.

Jesus preached on the Sabbath, yes, did Jesus preach on other days too? Yes!
Did Jesus set a particular day for preaching or worship for Christians? no!

Paul preached on the Sabbath, yes, did Paul preach on other days too? Yes.
did Paul set a particular day for Christians to preach or worship?
why did Paul choose to have a custom to preach in the synagogue on a Sabbath?
1. He had senior access to the synagogue
2. He could use the occasion to preach, using the scriptures in the synagogue which he was very familiar with.
3. people where gathered there on a Sabbath so he could preach to them at once!
Ac 9:19, 20and he ate some food and gained strength. He stayed for some days with the disciples in Damascus,20and immediately in the synagogues he began to preach about Jesus, that this one is the Son of God.
Ac 13:13, 14Now Paul and his companions put out to sea from Paʹphos and arrived at Perga in Pam·phylʹi·a. But John left them and returned to Jerusalem.14However, they went on from Perga and came to Antioch in Pi·sidʹi·a. And going into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, they took a seat.
Ac 14:1Now in I·coʹni·um they entered together into the synagogue of the Jews and spoke in such a manner that a great multitude of both Jews and Greeks became believers.
Ac 18:4He would give a talk in the synagogue every sabbath and would persuade Jews and Greeks.

if you know there is no day set aside for Christians to worship, why do you then ask such question?
you need to go and do small research on when Sabbath day is for the Jews!


can you see how silly your statements are!, you could not provide proof that the catholics changed the day of the sabath. are they observing the Sabbath or they choosed a day to worship their own god, like you just said above.
pls next time , know things well before laying accusations.
jehovahs witnesses have not set aside a day for worship!, they organize their fellowship on any day of the week !

you have always tried to find fault, but this one one of the lamest!, you want to condemn an organisation, but you have unwittingly added a large number of churches to your list.
so RCCG, WINNERS CHAPEL, etc, who have worship on Sundays are now worshiping sun god!

It sure does, in this day and age the JW's had turned their backs on their founders, if Charles Russell and J Rutherford were still alive, the JW's would have demolished them both and threw them out. These men believed Jesus is the Alpha and the Omega {Revelation 1:8, 21:6, and 22:13} And in these day's the JW's refuse to believe.
Lets look at the Catholic's religion, when they worship Jesus, they don't go directly to Him" they go through Mary first.
Same with the JW's they believe in Jesus but they don't worship Him in direct.
And none of the above religions believe in the bible fully to know one must be born again before he can enter into the Kingdom of God.

alexis:
Their publications prior to 1954 confirm that they worshiped Him. I know they changed their doctrine now and claim they don't worship Him but then it conflicts with what JW believes.

One must be born again before he could enter into the kingdom of God.. You can worship whom ever you please-worship doesn't get you in to heaven-and worship cannot save you-Jesus saves you.
OPP's sorry you haven't met Jesus yet?

goodnewscliff:
u shud av done research in ur dictionary b4 u come type poo........only those who worship GOD IN THE RIGHT WAY(the bibles way) ARE THOSE WHO WILL BE SAVED....not every tom dick and harry religion