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{Galatians 1:6, 3:1-9} Did the JW's receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?{V 7} Therefore the JW's must know that only those who are of the faith are Sons of Abraham.
{V 1:6} I marvel you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, only to preach a different gospel, which is not another; but there are some who trouble you, and want to prevent the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven preached any other gospel to you other then what we have preached, let him be accursed.
Which means everyone that knows the truth, refuse anybody who preachers another gospel.
As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preachers any other gospel to you, then what you have received, let him be accursed.

And of course the JW's preachers another gospel.

The JW's will never be able to understand the truth about Christ, they are like most religions they only see a dole light that shines through their dark and lonely lives.
Any religious group that deny's Christ as well as they do, will never find true love, but a counterfeit, that never shines.

johnw74:
[size=14pt]John 14:28, "The Father is greater than I."[/size]

"You heard that I said to you, 'I go away, and I will come to you.' If you loved Me, you would have rejoiced, because I go to the Father; for the Father is greater than I.'" (John 14:28).
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Father greater than Jesus, Jesus said the Father was greater than He not because Jesus is not God but because Jesus was also a man; and as a man, he was in a lower position. He was ". . . made for a little while lower than the angels . . ." (Heb. 2:9). Also in Phil. 2:5-8, it says that Jesus "emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men . . ."

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So does this mean you are now a happy chappy. I pray the way God had told us to pray-I find it easier praying to God by just asking Him directly for the things I need.
Your way of praying the Rosaries is man made, it isn't scriptural. And plus who pray's to Mary and expecting Her to mediate for us, when everyone knows all we need to do, is ask the Lord ourselves.

9inches:
I think you are wrapping your head around it now, although you forgot another 'sign of the cross' at the end.

And the world follows their own.
{1 John 2:15} Do not love the world, or anything in the world, if dolphinheart loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

johnw74:
he thinks, the whole world

And who's going to believe a lair and a false prophet.

dolphinheart:
you can close the subject using any reason you all, the thread has exposed why you can't answer those questions, contradicting brotherhood!

interesting.

johnw74:
[size=14pt]Should "Jehovah" appear in the New Testament?[/size]

Although YHWH appears almost 7,000 times in the Old Testament, it never has been found in any New Testament manuscripts. The Watchtower reasons that the word Jehovah was originally in the New Testament, but removed without trace. This undermines the integrity of the entire Bible. By adding the word "Jehovah" to the New Testament in the NWT, the Watchtower changes the meaning of key Christian Scriptures.

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No it is not how my parents pray-nor do I in this matter, this sort of prayer line belongs only to the Catholic's.
And of course you are Catholic.
The Rosary's
1" Make a sign of the cross and say "Apostles Greed".
2" Say the "Our Father".
3" Say 3 "Hail Mary's".
4" Say the glory be to the "Father".
5" Announce the first mystery and then say the "Our Father".
6" Say 10 "hail Mary's" while mediating on the mystery.
7" Say the glory be to the "Father".
8" Announce the second mystery then say the "Our Father" Repent 6 and 7 and continual with third fourth and fifth Mysteries in the same Manner.
After the Rosary's
HAIL, HOLY QUEEN, Mother of Mercy, Our life Our sweetness and our Hope! to thee do we cry, poor banished children of Eve.to thee do we send up our sights, mourning and weeping in the Vale of tears. Turn then, most gracious advocate, thine eye's of mercy towards us, and after this our exile, show unto us the blessed fruit of thy womb. Jesus O clement, O Loving O sweet Virgin Mary.
V, Pray for us O Holy Mother Of God.
R, That we maybe made worthy of the promises of Christ.
Let us pray O God whose only begotten Son, by His Life, death and resurrection, has purchased for us the rewards of eternal life, grant, we beseech thee, that mediating upon these Mysteries of the "Most Holy Rosary of the Blessed Virgin Mary" we may imitate what they contain what they promise, through the same Our Lord Amen.
After each decade say the following prayer requested by the Blessed Virgin Mary at Fatima.
The Fatima story about the 3 children, many witnesses said they seen flashing coloured lights spinning around, most people would call this a UFO, while others seen bright lights, and others couldn't see anything.
Only one child out of the three claimed she saw Mary, she and another heard Mary speak, and the third child number 3 child heard nor seen nothing. This story was only told by the Catholic's, yes is it true, and no it isn't true.
I think this sums it up, who is your mediator between God and Man.

9inches:
@bolded, is that how your parents pray(ed) their rosary? Well, in Roman Catholic we start and conclude ALL prayers by saying 'In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit...' I just said it (twice) before my breakfast, and will repeat same when I finish.

One for your ignorance - Catholics do not "pick up the rosary"; we pick up the rosary beads and say the rosary.

As I do not charge money for curing ignorance, You are welcome!

Why make a sign of the cross, when you know God said don't make any images, above, on earth or under the earth.
And again besides the statues, you are showing signs of the cross before you pray, another image-then of course you pick up the rosary's and your first words are Hail Mary Mother of God.

9inches:
You know nothing about the Catholic church. Catholics don't start any prayer without making the sign of the cross. Do you know what the sign of the cross is?

Its like this' if you knew some history about your religion then you may understand why the Catholic's don't pray directly in Jesus's name, nor do they end their prayers in His name. Nor does the Rosary's have anything to do with Him-Hail Mary, Mother of God.
All your prayers start with Mary and end with Mary-The Catholic's use Mary as their mediator, she is used as the go between 'between you and Jesus and the Father.
Rather then praying directly to Jesus and the Father, the Catholic's pray directly to Mary, and of course let us not leave out the dead saints {Have you heard this verse written in the bible, let the dead, bury their dead} Through history over time, millions of Catholic's bow down kissing Mary's feet as they enter into the church.
{If we were to worship the same God-we wouldn't be divided, but we are.}
What does the 10 commandments say? You shall not bow down before any images, that is made either above, on earth, and below the earth..
And what does the Catholic Church do, they worship these images as part of their pagan beliefs, everything God said not to do, the Catholic's do the opposite.
God said go into your secret place {Bedroom etc...} and when you Pray, pray to your heavenly Father.
With centuries of evidence the Catholic's had proven to the world they directly pray to their Heavenly Mother, Queen of Heaven, Mother of God.
For centuries the Catholic's had placed Mary on their pedestal as their go between {A mediator between God and Man} Lets not forget your dead saints you pray too laying around in the Vatican.
The Catholic church is divided against each other, and a divided church will never stand without praying directly to God.

9inches:
How does this relate to the comment you quoted, or you just attempted to start a new line of argument. You are free to start a new topic and mention my moniker, then I can address your assumptions and fallacies.

Because you have chosen not to answer any questions, then this subject is closed.

dolphinheart:
did I say I will not answer? No!
This is what I said: will share my views after (1) you have told me where body,soul ,spirit goes when man dies.
(2) clear the contradictions on ground. you say spirit, your brother says soul and body, please clearly tell if your brother is right or wrong and tell us what goes to hell and where the rest go?

on the issue at hand: do you agree with your brothers statement about body and soul in hell? If yes, why did you then say spirit goes to hell?
pls tell us, where does the body, spirit, soul, goes when man dies?
it should be noted that brocab could not touch his assumptions again once evidence was provided
" The use of assumptions to find issues or to divert from the issues will not work.
1. I've posted the full text of my post, no where can it be said I that I saId "physical body"
2. I said solite3 said " body and soul", not only "body" and definitely not "physical body"
3. I have not at this point said anything(sharing my view) about body and hell, I've only just reterated what your brother said, its your brother that related body and soul with hell. Therefore Pls solite3 , tell us so that brocab can have an answer: which and what kind of body where you referring to?
4. Pls provide where I said " "brocab" the body or the spirit go's to Hell
5. taken from my post : "you say spirit goes to hell, solite3 believes body and and soul goes to hell, who are we to believe

you are desperately trying not to answer those questions.

Because you have decided not to answer any of the questions, then this case is closed.
You can stay in your Grave and enjoy your nothing.

dolphinheart:
so so desperate to use any means possible so as not to answer the question asked months ago.
so so desperate to use any means possible to divert the issue at hand so as not to clear the contradictions on ground.
long time ago have I asked you to tell where body ,soul, spirit goes when man dies, you refused to answer, when your brother gave contradictory response, you where found wanting!
you have refused to answer the question nor clear the contradiction on ground, yet you expect me to add to it!. Once again I'll tell you what I've told you many times already: will share my views after (1) you have told me where body,soul ,spirit goes when man dies.
(2) clear the contradictions on ground. you say spirit, your brother says soul and body, please clearly tell if your brother is right or wrong and tell us what goes to hell and where the rest go?


this is not the issue under discussion.


the discussion is not about heaven and hell, several times I've stated the question I asked and the issue under discussion, but you want to change it, refusing to answer it!


these are not the issue under discussion!

do you agree with your brothers statement about body and soul in hell? If yes, why did you then say spirit goes to hell?
pls tell us, where does the body, spirit, soul, goes when man dies?
it should be noted that brocab could not touch his assumptions again once evidence was provided
" The use of assumptions to find issues or to divert from the issues will not work.
1. I've posted the full text of my post, no where can it be said I that I saId "physical body"
2. I said solite3 said " body and soul", not only "body" and definitely not "physical body"
3. I have not at this point said anything(sharing my view) about body and hell, I've only just reterated what your brother said, its your brother that related body and soul with hell. Therefore Pls solite3 , tell us so that brocab can have an answer: which and what kind of body where you referring to?
4. Pls provide where I said " "brocab" the body or the spirit go's to Hell
5. taken from my post : "you say spirit goes to hell, solite3 believes body and and soul goes to hell, who are we to believe
you are desperately trying not to answer those questions.

Dolphinheart refuses every time, because the more he refuses the more lies comes out from his mouth, and without knowing, he is actually making a mockery out of his own organisation.
Have you notice his own collies have turned their backs from him-with the many complaints within his organisation, many of his own, can't believe he actually calls himself a JW.
Dolphinhearts teachings are his own, none of it belongs to the New World Translation Bible, his fruit tells us his story, and none of it makes any sense.
Not only is he confused, he seems to not retrieve any feed back from his JW collies. Actually they are running the other way.
With all the hard work dolphinheart studies, you would think he would know what he was talking about? But he doesn't.
This man is alone from his own, as we can see none of them back him up, where is this mans back up? I wonder if he actually has a church where he fellowships-maybe the doors are closed, and the only way in, is through the "dunny" {Toilet} door.
Poor bugger he can't get in.

johnw74:
nicely doesn't work with satans ministers of righteousness

2Co 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
2Co 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

Mat_7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

and really who comes to you, which false prophets come to you, knocking at your door, appearing as sheep

Listen we could argue about such religion all day long, and we can prove the sorcery the Catholic's have chosen to live, since the Church had planted Romes roots, Rome legs were made of Iron, the feet were made of Iron and clay, which divided the nations-and through the centuries the church sits in their weaknesses.
Divided themselves from God, Constantine had mixed Christianity with their pagan Goddess Queen Isis-Queen Dianna and Mary the Mother of God-all statues having the same Qualification until this day. Pagan religion use these images as their mediators, like the Catholic's use Mary as theirs.
Pagan religion also believe in praying to their dead saints, and of course the Catholic's do also.
Jesus said one must be born again before he can enter into the Kingdom of God. Most Catholic's believe the opposite, the Church comes before Christ.
Thur shalt not bow down before any other images made from above, on Earth, nor under the Earth.
You shall worship the Lord your God and Him only you shall serve.
I am sure the name you have chosen had open up the eye's of the blind "9inches"

9inches:
False. Catholics start and end every prayer "In the name of the Father, and of the Son (Jesus Christ), and of Holy Spirit".
All prayers are offered to Jesus either directly or through an intermediary who acts as an intercessor. Catholics sometimes use intercession because the bible approves it. We should pray for one another as members of the Church.

Until you have answered your side of the story-then we can proceed, without your knowledge on this subject, then we are wasting our time trying to explain any facts about who ends up in either.
Jesus had written about Heaven and Hell, for a good reason, we either stay on the highways or we choose to stay close to the Lord on the narrow road, and at times that road can be a difficult road to stay on.
Of course Jesus had some pretty good reasons, why we need to make the right choices when we choose to walk with Him.
We can't answer any of your questions until you decide to explain your side of this story, in your own words, what your teachings are about Heaven and Hell.
We need to study who the saints are and why are they in heaven crying out the the Lord in {Revelation 6:10} and why did Jesus mention about Hades and the place of torment {Luke 16:22-26} if these places don't exist?
In what way does the Watchtower explain to their organisation about these two separable spiritual realms

dolphinheart:
only you have asked a question
only you have answered the question
only you have passed judgement on the question you asked.

well ill answer you the way I've answered you before.
will share my views after (1) you have told me where body,soul ,spirit goes when man dies.
(2) clear the contradictions on ground. you say spirit, your brother says soul and body, please clearly tell if your brother is right or wrong and tell us what goes to hell and where the rest go?
do you agree with your brothers statement about body and soul in hell? If yes, why did you then say spirit goes to hell?
pls tell us, where does the body, spirit, soul, goes when man dies?

it should be noted that brocab could not touch his assumptions again once evidence was provided
" The use of assumptions to find issues or to divert from the issues will not work.
1. I've posted the full text of my post, no where can it be said I that I saId "physical body"
2. I said solite3 said " body and soul", not only "body" and definitely not "physical body"
3. I have not at this point said anything(sharing my view) about body and hell, I've only just reterated what your brother said, its your brother that related body and soul with hell. Therefore Pls solite3 , tell us so that brocab can have an answer: which and what kind of body where you referring to?
4. Pls provide where I said " "brocab" the body or the spirit go's to Hell
5. taken from my post : "you say spirit goes to hell, solite3 believes body and and soul goes to hell, who are we to believe

you are desperately trying not to answer those questions.

I have asked you nicely repeatedly to explain to me, and still you had refuse to explain your own version, nor have you explained any of your organisation's teachings about this very same matter, but rather you and the rest of you donkey's have criticised the word of God, especially these {Luke 16:22-26 Revelation 6:10} you yourself not knowing these scriptures can only make life a little harder for you to even consider how these verses have explained what part of us ends up in Hell, or Heaven.
What the truth is, you haven't the slightest idea how to answer your side view about this subject-not because you know the answers, its because you haven't a clue what the answers are?
And of course the Watchtower magazines don't preach on this subject because they haven't the slightest understanding about the Spirit of God. And of course the world already knows, if they were to change their lying tongues, they will loose their income each week coming from the people.
So like you, its best to keep your mouth shut, because people from the four corners of the world may start recognising the JW's are speaking through their own ass.
You are a lair dolphinheart, the world already knows their is no truth found in you, nor in your organisation.

dolphinheart:
will share my views after (1) you have told me where body,soul ,spirit goes when man dies.
(2) clear the contradictions on ground. you say spirit, your brother says soul and body, please clearly tell if your brother is right or wrong and tell us what goes to hell and where the rest go?



men!, you can do anything just so that you will not answer the question asked months ago in which you and your brother gave contradictory replies. We are not talking about heaven or earth, we are talking about hell and what goes their when man dies, and where the body, soul, spirit goes when man dies. you keep trying to change the topic when your false doctrine has been exposed!
do you agree with your brothers statement about body and soul in hell? If yes, why did you then say spirit goes to hell?
pls tell us, where does the body, spirit, soul, goes when man dies?

it should be noted that brocab could not touch his assumptions again once evidence was provided
" The use of assumptions to find issues or to divert from the issues will not work.
1. I've posted the full text of my post, no where can it be said I that I saId "physical body"
2. I said solite3 said " body and soul", not only "body" and definitely not "physical body"
3. I have not at this point said anything(sharing my view) about body and hell, I've only just reterated what your brother said, its your brother that related body and soul with hell. Therefore Pls solite3 , tell us so that brocab can have an answer: which and what kind of body where you referring to?
4. Pls provide where I said " "brocab" the body or the spirit go's to Hell
5. taken from my post : "you say spirit goes to hell, solite3 believes body and and soul goes to hell, who are we to believe.

Yes they do, Mother of God, Queen of Heaven.

wizzyjay:
Question: did Catholic pray in Mary name

I keep on asking you for your views on this subject, since the bible has it's own view after death in {Luke 16:22-26 Revelation 6:10} And like always you have refused to share with us your organisation version, what happens to us after we die and buried.
Where does our {Spirits} travel too, since our bodies go's back into the earth, from dust we were made, and dust we will return.
Alright maybe you haven't all the answers to this question, can I try and answer this question for you, or maybe someone else out there will know the answers much better then I?
Is it true the JW's believe only the 144000 of true and faithful male JW elders will go and sit with God in heaven, while the rest of you, will wait until God and the elders plan to create a new Earth?
{I must asked a question, in what form, does the JW's have while waiting for the 144000 seats to be filled, do they have a Body or are they in Spirit, sitting on thrones beside God?}
Once we clear up your own version about this subject, then we can continual to finish what the bible says about what happens to us after death.
So Dolphinheart we need to clear this subject up, having your own version, where we go after we die and are buried?
Do you believe, how the bible describes it, in {Luke 16:22-26, Revelation 6:10} And the saints cried out and said how long, Sovereign Lord Holy and True until you judge the inhabitants of the Earth and avenge our blood?
Or have you other idea's about who these saints are? Are they the Saints the JW believe are their elders seated with God? Who are they? Not Angels.

dolphinheart:
The use of assumptions to find issues or to divert from the issues will not work.
1. I've posted the full text of my post, no where can it be said I that I saId "physical body"
2. I said solite3 said " body and soul", not only "body" and definitely not "physical body"
3. I have not at this point said anything(sharing my view) about body and hell, I've only just reterated what your brother said, its your brother that related body and soul with hell. Therefore Pls solite3 , tell us so that brocab can have an answer: which and what kind of body where you referring to?
4. Pls provide where I said " "brocab" the body or the spirit go's to Hell
5. taken from my post : "you say spirit goes to hell, solite3 believes body and and soul goes to hell, who are we to believe.

after (1) you have told me where body,soul ,spirit goes when man dies.
(2) clear the contradictions on ground. you say spirit, your brother says soul and body, please clearly tell if your brother is right or wrong and tell us what goes to hell and where the rest go?


interesting , "where we all go, from the grave," that means we must go to the grave first right, well we will discuss all of that after you had cleared the issue on ground!

Lying through your teeth once again dolphinheart. We all knew exactly what you were referring too, which is it, "brocab" the body or the spirit go's to Hell. if you weren't preferring to the physical body, then explain which body you were preferring too?
This may save you a lot of grieve over nothing.
And don't forget you are to give us your version of Hell, your beliefs, where we end up after we die?
Do we go with {Luke 16:22-26} Or have you JW's have the real deal where we all go, from the grave.

dolphinheart:
Below are the full text of my words posted on that date:

Pls, CAN YOU FIND THE WORD PHYSICAL IN THAT POST? NO!
PLS CAN YOU FIND THE WORD PHYSICAL BODY IN THE POST ABOVE? NO!
The word is "body and soul" , not physical body!

it is evident that you are the one that needs medication, how can you say I assumed something when I've not not said such, or can you show me where I said physical body goes to hell? or where i assumed solite3 statement to mean physical body? stop using this to divert from the topic pls.
solite3 said "body and soul", he did not say spirit, pls explain



continue creating false, non existing faults!

Who is T B Joshua anyway? Just another man ripping of the system, his curses will work on you if you allow Him too, like the devil, don't forget Jesus is the power, the only power-T B Joshua-who's he?

To be frank you didn't understand it, nor did your collies. They gave you the likes only because they are lost like you, and without having the Spirit of God, what can I say?

dolphinheart:
To be frank, I don't think you yourself understand what you copied and pasted here, you just saw that it talked about soul and spirit, and in a desperate bid to change the issue you Decided to copy and paste it word for word.

To show you you do not know what you copied and pasted I'm going to point to a section of your post:
" The "Soul and the Spirit are connected" but separable {Hebrews 4:12} The Soul is the essence of humanity being, it is who we are. The "Spirit is an aspect of humanity that connects with God.
And for the body the flesh-that of course is common sense from dust we came and to dust we go."

brocab, plus tell , when the spirit and soul are separated, plus tell us what will happen to the man!

plus adress the issue at hand:
like I said earlier and repeated several times, the issue at hand is identifying what goes to hell, is it the spirit or body or soul. Secondly there is a need to know where the rest go if the 3 mentioned dnt go to hell.

under these topic, you have made contradictory statements about what goes to hell, while vehementry refusing to state where the others mentioned go.

You claim to be brothers, you claim to be christians who have tried to prove what the bible had said, yet you statements , proofs and claim are contradictory. you said only spirits go to hell, your brother says souls and body go to hell. I've asked you several times to explain this contradiction, but you refuse!

You could not show even once instance where I mocked the word of God or where I made a statement denying anything said above!, brocab when will this lying stop!

You still could not tell where the soul and body goes after man dies! can you see yourself
You say only spirit go to hell, your brother say soul and body can be destroyed in hell
as if this is not contradictory enough , you had earlier said
" If Paul didn't have the Spirit of God, the divine, then how did he have it after he had died?
His flesh would end up in hell, where your flesh is heading.
Having God's divine nature Paul was transformed into heaven"

to clear any misunderstandings about your own words and to give you a chance of explaining them I asked you the following questions
" For the benefit of doubt, brocab, PLS tell me
1. what did you mean with the statement : "His flesh would end up in hell, where your flesh is heading."
2. solite3 says he believes that soul and body go to hell, do you agree with him?
this questions above have been avoided by you.
you still have a chance to explain what you meant.
I've not even shown you what you said about soul and hell.

brocab, are there people who don't have the spirit of God? If those people die, where will they(piece of flesh) end up?

Page 115 time 10-29 Aug 15 is clearly enough evidence for us to see the truth------You were on a great mocking spree against solite3 and myself calling us lairs, and now you seem too have changed your mind? Are you on some kind of medication, you were sure of yourself when you assumed it to be the physical body, in Hell, and not the Spirit. As you have written it clearly.
Are we on the same page. Dolphnheart your not thinking about denying your faults, are you? This just isn't you?
You will be a disgrace to your collies at work.
But you could be totally honest to yourself and It would make life a lot easier if you would correct your many mistakes when answering any questions about the Word of God.

dolphinheart:
get serious, stop trying to be cunning, did I say physical body?

Bless are you brother-bless is he 'who comes in the name of the Lord.

solite3:
God bless u too.
They have deserted the thread because their lies are not selling. A jw cannot stand any christian who hold to the word of God only unsuspecting babes.

"Yes" lets look at the evidence?

johnw74:
[size=14pt]Does the Watchtower organization control the Jehovah's Witnesses' thinking?[/size]

Following are quotes from the literature of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society--better known as the Jehovah's Witnesses organization. After reading the quotes below, it is obvious that the Watchtower discourages individual thinking among the Jehovah's Witnesses and requires them to submit to the teaching of the Watchtower organization.

Romans 14:5 says, "One man regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Let each man be fully convinced in his own mind." The Bible wants us to think and to be convinced in our own minds about issues that are debatable (Rom. 14:1-12). However, the Watchtower does not want its people to be convinced in their own minds. It wants them to submit to the Watchtower.

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No-where brother, dolphinheart lies in bed and outer bed.
The truth is, he can't understand the truth, and when we tell him the truth, the truth passes him like the wind.

solite3:
where did I tell you physical body goes to hell? Na wao. Your twisted understanding cannot make you to see things clearly anymore.

Does this mean I won't hear your side on this subject, are you still refusing to share a little JW knowledge about where we go after we die?
Every time death is mentioned, it upsets you deeply-Have you lost somebody close to you recently. This is the differences we have between us both, if I had a chance to save my family from death, I will be first on the seine for my services, I will ask to pray with them, Many people like you don't like to hear about Jesus, but that doesn't stop anyone to pray for them. But with your organisation you can't, you stand there and watch your love ones die, without your services, without a word.
And I figure this is why you refuse to answer the question, you haven't the slightest idea where our souls end up after we die, It doesn't matter what the word tells us, you will always refuse the scriptures, matter of fact, you and your love ones have that much fear about death, you can't even talk about such subject.
Your only answer could be, is they will end up in their graves until the Father returns. Which is true in one sense, but in the other hand you have given your love ones false hope {Revelation 6:9-10}

dolphinheart:
then retract your contradictory statements if you stand by their words.
you say spirit goes to hell, solite3 believes body and and soul goes to hell, who are we to believe.
you make such contradictory statements, yet you refuse to tell us where the other two go if only spirit goes to hell.

you argue that Jesus is the father while johnw74 believes that jesus is not same person as the father, brotherhood of confusion, believing contradictory things.


even when I posted the full text of your post, you still refuse to answer the question.


pls show where I talked about the rich man and lazarus, you are just desperately trying to change the topic, you don't want to tell us where body and soul go , if only spirit go to hell!

the bible has told you where the spirit goes to, you deliberately twisted it and said spirit roams.



tell what goes to this hell, tell where spirit, body , soul goes when man dies.

I don't believe your story, matter of fact this story was written by a JW 'not any Muslim.
Firstly JW's don't accept food from strangers, and first of all JW's don't enter into other Churches, nor do they worship with other religions.
So you lie against the Muslims.
Discrimination, Is positive information, the JW's always produces discrimination against Christians who speak up for Christ.

iamrealdeji:
I'm a muslim but I love Jehovah Witnesses so much,they come to my house every sunday and we talk about life,afterlife etc,my mum is an Alhaja and she does too,she entertains Jehovah witness folks and even offers them food cos you just gotta like this people cos of the way they interact with everybody, they're very intelligent,hardworking and educated folks and they don't discriminate,they don't hate,they're just trying to change the world positively. To me,they're the best christians in the world. Also,i have learned a lot from those that come to my house

I stand by my brothers ans sisters everyday-just as I stand by Jesus everyday. Solite3 is a believer-just as I am, and John74 stands strong too.
I find no fault with my brothers, nor my sisters in Christ.
I have seen where I had written it about Paul, but because you have refuse to read the rest of the scripts on each page, then of course you would cut my pages up, only to suit your metal state of mind.
Plus it was you dolphinheart who actually can't believe the story about the rich and the poor man, both died and was buried, without having the Spirit of God, your metal state of mind can only put your mind into a box type thinking pattern, only because you seem to believe {Luke 16} doesn't really exist, it is either a misprint, and of course this may leave you without knowing any truth concerning any passages that belongs to our Spiritual growth.
The bible is used as a tool to help us with directions, {Let your fingers do the walking} the bible gives us the insight how this book is written, and what we see, is not always how it sounds. The bible is written so we need the Spirit of God to glide us through. The bible is also describes flesh came from dust, and dust, we will return. Which proves our Spirit's will live without flesh and blood.
{Luke 16:22-26} not only this scripture but others like it, your unbelief naturally cowardly controls your metal state, that supports your ramping and raving about any existence to any bible that belongs to God.
Jesus describes Hell as the place of torment burning with fire for eternity, like He describes heaven the place in paradise.
Meaning we have a choice, and with that choice, I choose to be with the Lord, where I know I will spend eternity with Him.

dolphinheart:
let's not think that the other person is stupid, hence we employ deceit, cunning ways and improper approach to things?

I never said you said the bolded above, and even if you had said so, I've not seen it yet.
But I did say you said something, I said you said and believed that body and soul goes to hell. Now do you still want me to show you where you made this statements, do you want me to show you where you agreed that soul and body go to hell?
brocab, do you stand by your brother when he agreed that soul and body go to hell?, do you agree with him?

What tread is that and I will follow...

johnw74:
God bless brocab, wherever he is

and solite, see you at another thread

Strange after everything solite3 has explain to you over and over, you still can't seem to get your head around it, Solite3 had never said our earthly bodies enter into Hell fire. This information was written and signed by you. And without speaking out loud, this is the sort of rubbish you JW's have said all along.
Solite3 is a honest Christian, he has the mind of Christ, his mind can't think like yours, just by his pages us Christians know the word of God is planted inside this mans heart, and everything this man speaks is from the Lord who sent him, His words are not recognised by you, only because you don't understand the truth about Christ.
The truth is planted in this mans heart-John 74 is a good example they both couldn't think of such rubbish you JW's come up with.
Time and time again, we Christians have had serious patients with you unbelievers, you are worst then any of the atheist I have knowing, and in the Lord's eye's they are classed as cold-but you are classed as lukewarm, and the time is coming when the lord will spew you out of His mouth.
If you don't understand the way solite3 explains this to be, then think of it this way, before Jesus returned to heaven how did He drink and eat and spoke with His disciples after He was murdered up on the cross by you and your ancestors.
What kind of body did Jesus have, that allowed Him to sit at the right side of God without sin?
When God had told us clearly in the scriptures, "flesh and blood" will not enter into the kingdom of God.

Jozzy4:
your lack of understanding will have been exposed if you have tried answering the question I gave you


@ underlined... do you actually believe the body descend to hellfire and not the grave ?

He can't show you-only unless he twist and rewrites your page. Like he does it to mine.

solite3:
dolphinheart pls show me where I said human earthly body go to hell?

Firstly lets clear up a few issues before we start. As we understand the soul and the Spirit are two primary immaterial aspects that scripture describes to humanity. It can be confusing to attempt to discern the precise differences between the two, The word Spirit refers only to the immaterial facet of humanity. Human beings have a spirit, but we are not spirits, However in Scripture only believers are said, to be spirituality alive {1 Corinthians 2:11, Hebrews 4:12, James 2:26} while unbelievers are spirituality dead {Ephesians 2:1-5, Colossians 2:13} In Paul's writing the spiritual was pivotal to the life of the believer {1 Corinthians 2:14, 3:1, Ephesians 1:3,5:19, Colossians 1:9, 3:16} The spirit is the element in humanity which gives us the ability to have a intimate relationship with God, When ever the word "Spirit" is used, it refers to the immaterial part of humanity that "connects" with God. Who Himself is Spirit {John 4:24}
The word "soul" can refer to both, the immaterial and material aspects of humanity, unlike human beings having a Spirit, human beings are souls in its most basic sense, the word "Soul means life" However beyond this essential meaning, the bible speaks of many souls in many contexts.
One of these is humanity's eagerness to sin {Luke 12:26} Humanity is naturally evil, and our souls are tainted as a result.
The life principle is removed at the time of physical death {Genesis 35:18, Jeremiah 15:2} The "Soul as with the Spirit" is the centre of many spiritual and emotional experiences {Job 30:25, Psalms 43:5, Jeremiah 13:17} Whenever the word "Soul" is used, it can refer to the hole person, whether "in life or in the after life".
The "Soul and the Spirit are connected" but separable {Hebrews 4:12} The Soul is the essence of humanity being, it is who we are. The "Spirit is an aspect of humanity that connects with God.
And for the body the flesh-that of course is common sense from dust we came and to dust we go.

dolphinheart:
like I said earlier and repeated several times, the issue at hand is identifying what goes to hell, is it the spirit or body or soul. Secondly there is a need to know where the rest go if the 3 mentioned dnt go to hell.
under these topic, you have made contradictory statements about what goes to hell, while vehementry refusing to state where the others mentioned go.
Once your statements are clear, you will know my view, let's clear the contradiction that is on ground first!
I believe in orderliness, your questions are formulated to try to create disorder in the issue at hand so that you can be shifting left and right.
Once we know where this three go, we can then move to what happens to them their!



1. Each scripture that you quoted has been examined, and once the result of such examination has been posted to you, you run away from it, for example you ones claim that the spirit of man roams, but once the scripture you quoted is being looked at, it was established that you lied, the scripture did not say the spirit roam , neither did it say the spirit goes to hell.
I gave this example above(though there are many) that what you try to show is different from what the scripture said.
2. you claim to be brothers, you claim to be christians who have tried to prove what the bible had said, yet you statements , proofs and claim are contradictory. you said only spirits go to hell, your brother says souls and body go to hell. I've asked you several times to explain this contradiction, but you refuse!
3. you could not show even once instance where I mocked the word of God or where I made a statement denying anything said above!, brocab when will this lying stop!


always trying to change the topic!

you are not interested in what I have to say, okay, no problem, but I'm interested to know how you will clear your contradictory statement, and how you will explain the difference between your beliefs and that of your brother.
plus note the issue of if Jesus is the father is still there o! will be discussed later after we have cleared this one.


1. calling me names wunt help you.
2. The issue is where does the 3(soul, body and spirit) go after man dies and which of these 3 go to hell. that they(rich man and lazarus) died is not the issue , neither is it contended.
3. your question is not for me, customer I've not said that their bodies where alive, how can you ask me a question about something that I did not say.
You said only spirits go to hell, you also indicated that lazarus and the rich man where dead person(s). how come you now ask these question when you dnt believe that their bodies are alive in hell?
and if you want to use these to indicate that it's only spirit that goes to hell, then please tell , is solite3 wrong when he said soul and body goes to hell?


surely if you believe that only spirit goes to hell, then your brother who teaches otherwise is a liar and a fraud then! or is he also telling the truth!

since you are the one god had appointed to pass judgement on me, can you tell if it's soul, or body or spirit that will end up their, you sha want to believe something ends up in hell, but you dnt know which. or you know, but giving an answer will affect your false teachings about what happens their!

kai!, you still could not tell where the soul and body goes after man dies! can you see yourself !

you say only spirit go to hell, your brother say soul and body can be destroyed in hell
as if this is not contradictory enough , you had earlier said
" If Paul didn't have the Spirit of God, the divine, then how did he have it after he had died?
His flesh would end up in hell, where your flesh is heading.
Having God's divine nature Paul was transformed into heaven"

to clear any misunderstandings about your own words and to give you a chance of explaining them I asked you the following questions
" For the benefit of doubt, brocab, PLS tell me
1. what did you mean with the statement : "His flesh would end up in hell, where your flesh is heading."
2. solite3 says he believes that soul and body go to hell, do you agree with him?
this questions above have been avoided by you.
you still have a chance to explain what you meant.
I've not even shown you what you said about soul and hell.
brocab, are there people who don't have the spirit of God? If those people die, where will they(piece of flesh) end up?

Than since you had decided to stick your nose in where it doesn't belong, then it must mean you haven't any confidence in you brother dolphinheart himself to answer such scriptures.
Your heart is telling you that dolphinheart can't answer these questions, because you know yourself 'neither can you.
The JW's believe only the 144000 will be with Christ while the rest of you good and bad ones will stay in your graves until judgement day.
Which leaves you with a question where does your souls {Spirits} go after you die and rest in your graves? If it was that easy as you believe it to be, then {Luke 16:22-26} wouldn't have any thought to it.
And Jesus wouldn't have mention the lake of fire, Hades, Sheol nor Hell the place of torment, and if I was to teach this to some other, it wouldn't stand on solid ground and the true foundation will fall and no-one could be saved in Christ.
This story is about {Luke 16:22-26} and the meaning of it, show's theirs more to life then just the grave, and since we all have a spirit soul, and it's our psychical nature that is made of flesh and blood, while our inter-spirit lives within us all, then after the flesh dies then our Spirit must live on. Either it go's back to God-or not, either way our spirit lives on.
It's only God that can destroy the body and soul. But if He destroys the body, then our soul of course lives on either in heaven as the scriptures tells us {Revelation the saints calls out to Jesus how long O Lord when will you take vengeance on those on earth} And who are the saint's?
Jesus spoke clearly about the torment and he spoke of paradise, He had made it clear for us to make a choice to decide whom we worship, and whom do we belong too. If this wasn't the case-then there wouldn't be religion, nor any cults like yours, who claim you know Christ and refuse to allow Him into your life's.
Charles Russell had rewritten your bible literature. only because he believed he was sent from God to do so.

Jozzy4:
According to your level of understanding.

The truth is dolphinheart not only quote but he explains what he quote in relation to the subject . and if questions arise from his explanations he is ready to answer

You are just the exact opposite !!!



Lol, how do u know the state of his heart ? Are you Jehovah the examiner of hearts ?

You are passing your boundary !!!



I can see you are pained , @ underlined . sorry man



The question you should have asked is : , if we are to exhume the grave of the Richman won't we find his eyes and TONGUE in his mouth decomposing ?

How come he still have his tongue after the said death ?

Hahahahaha , I forgot its not a literal tongue its actually a SPIRITUAL TONGUE in a literal story . na wa for you