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goodnews201668:
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yes their stance actually prove them to Jesus followers, Jesus said his followers must be no part of the world, you don't claim to be his follower by mouth alone. Besides Jesus followers are expected to do the same work Jesus did, declaring the gospel and the message of Gods kingdom!

goodnews201668:
the father is greater in position yet they re the same God?
Yet it doesn't make the son less God? Just listen to yourself, are you not the confused fellow here and under satan's influence?

zodiakzax:
hahahahaha.... their level of comprehension is so so poor, sometimes I wonder if they are all little kids. Anyway solite don't forget that Jehovah’s Witnesses are advised against pursuing a higher education, with the Watchtower regularly providing warnings that attending university is an improper use of time in these last days. So u shld understand why their comprehension of simple logic is very poor.

http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/higher-education-university.php

solite3:
true u know it only takes the power of God for people like dphinsheart to be free from satanic heresies, imagine years of constant brain washing and programing. Like you said he keeps picking up some verses that seems to support his delusion while repeating those old questions, that is something I notice about them even in their magazine by so doing he hope to clear his mind of any doubt even without looking at the bible.

Do you know that just like every other cult they pick some few verses and hammer on them while ignoring others that screem out against them instead try to find a logical explanation to it

goodnewscliff:
hmm....did i do such thing?? Y dont u quote me naaa?? DO YOU KNOW THE WITNESSES WERE ONLY THE PEOPLE WHO STOOD TO THEIR FAITH AND BELIEF WITHOUT COMPROMISE come rain nor sunshine, whether death was involved jst like meshach,shedrach,abednego,jesus,daniel and others in the bible who were willing to die for what they believe?fulfilling jesus words of persecution when he says if they persecute me,same will happen to u...and pauls word at 2tim 3:12....all fulfilling on ONLY JEHOVAHS WITNESS cos of their belief......

solite3:
yes very true.he himself is no longer persuaded by his own words but only trying to cover up

dolphinheart:
EVERYONE CAN SEE YOUR DECEPTIVE TACTICS, YOU LEAVE THE POST DIRECTED TO YOU AND QUOTE THE POST DIRECTED TO OTHERS, SAME TACTICS USED BY THE OTHERS PERSON. AND EVEN WHEN YOU QUOTE THE POST YOU FAIL TO RESPOND TO THE ISSUES, QUESTIONS AND SCRIPTURES FOUND THEIR.
well ,since the post posted to you has exposed your false doctrine, the best next thing is to leave it alone, cus quoting it will only expose you further!


there are no twists, large or small.


I've used the scriptures to Identify to you him who is who was and who is coming, you could not refute what I showed you, neither could you qoute and explain those scriptures I used.


sir, the scriptures say no one has seen God at any time, but people saw Jesus, therefore Jesus is not the God no one has seen at anytime.
If you had taken time to read that verse to the end , you would have noticed that Jesus is not the God who was being mentioned their.
try to quote that verse fully next time, it will help.



hope you have read heb 1:1,2, read it and learn!


the bold is a lie!, the verse never said so!

What evidence, the one based on wrong understanding of what jesus said?
Jesus did not lie, it's you that is lying againSt jesus, calling him what he did not call himself
did Jesus call himself God ? no ! he said

Joh 10:36[u]do you say to me whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world,[/u] ‘You blaspheme,’ because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?[/u]

YOU REFUSED TO FOLLOW WHAT JESUS CALLED HIMSELF, WHO THE ANGEL TOLD MARY THAT JESUS IS, YOU REFUSED TO FOLLOW WHAT JESUS SAID ABOUT THE FATHER, YOU PREFER CALLING JESUS THE FATHER!

[b]Joh 5:20[u]For the Father has affection for the Son and shows him all the things he himself does,[/u] and he will show him works greater than these, so that you may marvel.

Joh 14:28You heard that I said to you, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I am.

Joh 10:25Jesus answered them: “I told you, and yet you do not believe. The works that I am doing in my Father’s name, these bear witness about me.

YOU PREFER TO BELIEVE THE PHARISEES, CUS THEIR BELIEVES RHYMES WITH YOURS, YOU REFUSED TO LISTEN TO WHAT JESUS SAID ABOUT THAT BELIEVE

Joh 5:46In fact, if you believed Moses, you would believe me, for he wrote about me.

what did Moses write about Jesus, did he say Jesus is God?no , did he say God himself is the one coming? no .

Moses said:

De 18:15Jehovah your God will raise up for you from among your brothers a prophet like me. You must listen to him.

Lu 24:44He then said to them: “These are my words that I spoke to you while I was yet with you, that all the things written about me in the Law of Moses and in the Prophets and Psalms must be fulfilled.”

Joh 1:45Philip found Na·thanʹa·el and said to him: “We have found the one of whom Moses, in the Law, and the Prophets wrote: Jesus, the son of Joseph, from Nazʹa·reth.”


you are a liar brocab, no wonder you could not quote where I made such description.
you refused to quote that verse, probably because quoting it will prevent you from twisting it. The previous verse has clarified who god is
King James Version
Col 1:3We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you,



stop lying againSt me brocab!


you are a liar brocab , the lies has eating deep into you. This is what I said :

the verse (rev 1: is talking about God, the Father, the almighty, the most high! and below is what the verse said :
New International Version
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty."

English Standard Version
“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

BROCAB, YOU HAVE PERFECTED THE ACT OF NOT QUOTING MY POSTS SO THAT YOU CAN BE ABLE TO LIE, STATING THAT I SAID AND BELIEVED THINGS I DID NOT SAY OR IMPLY.

THE ABOVE IS ONE OF THE REASONS YOU REFUSED TO RESPOND TO THE POSTS IN WHICH MY EXPLAINATIONS ON REV 1: 1,4-8 REV 3: 2:12 AND HEB 1:9 IS GIVING.



the scripture has told you the truth brocab, stop twisting it !

dolphinheart:
then it will be easy for you to post one of theM na, what is preventing you if you think my lies are many.

have you solite3 answered the questions asked ? no !, if you have, you would have posted it.


for ya mind!

Solite3 pls respond:


will you stop lying against me!


Jesus has a God, yes or no,?
Jesus is subjected to that God , yes or no
if Jesus has a God, how can He then be almighty God ?

2. on April 27 jEphz
"for those saying Jesus is God.. pls. explain these Scripture for me ... Ephesians 5:1,2 1timothy 2:5 John 8:42 Act 2:22 Hebrews 12:2...... "

3. April 29
" the God of our Lord Jesus Christ " Eph 1:17, who is the God of Jesus Christ ?

4. "You say Jesus is still a man in heaven, you also say Jesus has a God when he was a man.
NOW DOES Jesus STILL HAVE A GOD IN HEAVEN?"

who anointed Jesus? who is that person to Jesus?
you can see that the questions are numbered, so dnt muddle it up , or give part response

solite3, pls respond to these post if you can( it was posted on may 28, 1: 17pm)

The first verse of Revelation had set a precedent for you to use to examine the whole book, it tells you that "God gave Jesus" the revelation , God did not give himself, Jesus did not give himself, it was God who have Jesus the Revelation. God ( in the book of revelation)and Jesus are not the same person!
verse 4-6 also clears who is who in the Book of revaluation, it helps us to understand that the one who is, who was, and who is coming is different from Jesus Christ.
brocab says it's Jesus, you say it's the father, yet you refuse to discuss and tell the whole world who is right and who is wrong!
to make sure that you dnt confuse yourself on who the al mighty God is, Jesus told you severaly in that book that he has a God! , using the words " my God " several times in that book. I ve several times asked if the almighty can have a god superior to him, cus Jesus had now indicated when he was in heaven, when he came to earth, and when he back in heaven that he has a God! he did not just call that God "a God ", he said "my God", "your god" , "the only true god".

All this facts are presented to you in the Book of Revelation, you could not discuss any of them, but you choose to believe a verse from the Textus Receptus that you can't defend, that you can't show where the Textus Receptus got it from! that majority of scholars have shown to be spurious, that can't be found even in translations of the authors that surpport trinity.

lastly, even if you would not answer the questions being posted to you several times , pls can you tell us the name of your church or organization you associate with at the moment?[/b]

goodnews201668:
Oga there is no way this prove that Jesus and the father are one.
We are not talking about Jesus's nature, the issue is did Jesus ever said he and his father are one God?

goodnews201668:
Jesus said i and the father are one, was Jesus saying he and his father are one God?

goodnews201668:
They're mocking you not because you're doing the right thing, but because you're confused! Jesus never claimed to be God!

Sarang:
Sorry but in the scripture where Archangel appears,it is SINGULAR.

There are no thousand chief angels.

And the prince of persia you mentioned actually STOPPED an angel coming to HELP Daniel the prophet.

If it stopped this angel from helping Daniel,how can it be an angel of God?

Jozzy4:
Brainwashed man, read KJV Numbers 11:17,, holyspirit is called " IT " ,

Dolphinhaerts-Quotes>did the Father become man? NOOo!, it was the son that became man!

If no-one had seen God at anytime? Then who will the people see coming in the clouds, if this isn't Jesus

dolphinheart:
This ya new method of running away from posts directed to you and preferring to respond to post directed to someone else is interesting

good !


this is a lie! , that's why you could not quote the any scripture that surpport it.
did the father become man? NOOo!, it was the son that became man!

Read my explanation on phil 2: 6-8 again, read the scriptures you find there!, if you can, which I believe you cannot, respond to those scriptures, look at the questions and examine them


"you are very wrong sir, Jesus did not come as both man and God, I'll first quote and explain the scriptures you mentioned then add mine .

phil 2:6 English Standard Version
who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,

the previous verses gives us an insight into what Paul was saying here , Philippians 2:6 makes no sense at all if Jesus is viewed as ‘God.’

[b]3.nothing from selfish ambition or conceit, but in humility count others more significant than yourselves.
4 Let each of you look not only to his own interests, but also to the interests of others.
5 Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus,[/color]

some translations translate verse 5 as:" Have this attitude in yourselves, which was also in Christ Jesus."

If Jesus was ‘God’ he could not have been tempted to do something from “selfishness or empty conceit” nor could he be tempted to “merely look out for” his own “personal interests.
paul counsels Christians to imitate Christ in the matter here being discussed. Could they be urged to consider it “not robbery,” but their right, “to be equal with God”? Surely not!
However, they can imitate one who “gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God.”

now does jesus beING in the form of God mean jesus is almighty God ? no , the earlier discussion about father and son being humans cus they have same nature clears that, and the fact that Jesus did not consider grabING the notion that he could be equal to God surpports that.
These other scriptures also give credence to the fact the jesus is not almighty God.

col 1:15 English Standard Version
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.

English Standard Version
gen 5:3 When Adam had lived 130 years, he fathered a son in his own likeness, after his image, and named him Seth.
some translations say : " in his image"
if seth is not adam cus he is in the image of adam and same nature with adam, then we can see that Jesus is not God cus he is in the image of God, just like seth is a man, like Jesus is a god.

let's continue, for verse 7, I'm going to quote from different translations to emphasis the point there
[b] phil 2:7
New International Version
rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, BEING MADE IN HUMAN LIKENESS.

English Standard Version
but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.

New American Standard Bible
but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.

International Standard Version
Instead, poured out in emptiness, a servant's form did he possess, a mortal man becoming. In human form he chose to be,

NET Bible
but emptied himself by taking on the form of a slave, by looking like other men, and by sharing in human nature.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
But he stripped himself and took the form of a Servant and was in the form of the children of men, and was found in fashion as a man.[/u]

did this verse say Jesus retained his divine nature or form when he took on human form? no! the verse indicate jesus EMPTIED HIMSELF and became human. There was no addition of any form but a total change in form!

verse 8 supports this view
English Standard Version
And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.
Jesus was found only in one form when he came to earth, not 2 in 1 form.
If jesus was fully God when he came to earth , satan would have right to claim no human can remain Faithfull to God and sinless till death, cus according to you jesus was more than human, he was also God .

verse 9, and 11 now concludes the matter, snowing us that jesus is not God, nor he the God he was reffering to earlier, he also identified who god is.
HOPE YOU REMEMBER WHO JESUS CALL ED THE TRUE GOD, WHO HE IDENTIFIED AS OUR GOD AND WHO THE APOSTLES LISTED AS OUR GOD OUT OF THE MANY GOD'S.

English Standard Version
Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name
New International Version
and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

do we have other scriptures that surpport this
[b]Joh 1:14So the Word BECAME FLESH and resided among us, and we had a view of his glory, a glory such as belongs to an only-begotten son from a father; and he was full of divine favor and truth.

Heb 2:9But we do see Jesus, who WAS MADE a little lower than angels, now crowned with glory and honor for having suffered death, so that by God’s undeserved kindness he might taste death for everyone.

Isa 52:13Look! My servant will act with insight. He will be raised up high, He will be elevated and greatly exalted.

read also Ac 2:32, 33; Joh 14:28; Isa 53:2, 3; Joh 10:17"




as I believe? no sir, this is What I believe:
rev 8:1
New International Version
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty."

English Standard Version
“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

New American Standard Bible
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
I am The Alap and The Tau, says THE LORD JEHOVAH God, he who is and has been and is coming, The Almighty.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
"I am the A and the Z," says the Lord God, the one who is, the one who was, and the one who is coming, the Almighty.

brocab , I believe that "I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty." is in reference to Jehovah, the father, the one who sat on the throne and the Lamb collected the scroll from, the almighty God who is the true God.

so next time pls pls pls, brocab, dnt tell lies about what I believe, pls I beg, dnt formulate what I believe in.



haha a a! can you see what defending a lie has started to make you say!
so jesus is the father in heaven
so jesus is lying when he told us to pray, our Father in heaven when actually he is the father right here on earth?
you are trying to tell us that jesus never had a second witness , that he is is own witness?

you are trying to say that the father died !
that the father sent himself!
that the father anointed himself!

READERS CAN YOU NOW SEE THAT WHEN THEY ARE BEING FORCED TO QUOTE AND EXAMINE CERTAIN SCRIPTURES , THERE FALSE TEACH INGS BECOME ABUNDANTLY CLEAR.

THE SCRIPTURES MADE IT CLEAR BELOW
King James Version
Joh 17:3And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

King James Version
Joh 20:17Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.



another addition of false analogy, things that cannot be proven with the scriptures.

you quoted my post to someone else, but failed to respond to this:
"Secondly , you said the father is greater than me in position, can we apply these to jesus too,? if so then jesus is not the almighty God , cus no one is superior to the almighty God in position, that is why he is called the most high!"

solite3:
[author=dolphinheart post=46325212]
you examined nothing, and you learnt nothing.
both the father and the son are called alpha and omega which means first and last or beginning and the end

I have even proven that Jesus is Jehovah God the only creator and he took on the form of man and heis a man even in heaven as a priest. Which none of you could disprove. I asked you and your folks if Jesus was a true God or a false God yet none of you could answer.
[2. Brought what back to my attention, I know you desperately want him to bring those words he accused me of saying out, it pains you that he could not, hence you have to find alternatives!
..............................
And yet no response from you on the issue you yourself raised?
also up till now , you have not answered these questions
(ill find that post and point it to you)
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you have also refused to respond to these questions and scripture:
[b]Just tell us the name of the church you associate with, that you are a member of!. If possible you can include its official website, at least you surpport using technology in Gods work.
[b]Tell us, do you know that Jesus Christ told someone that he has a God? [/b]And that statement was recorded in the kjv.? Can you tell us where this can be found?
If you can't answer this question brocab, then you dnt know the truth about Christ!.
Expecially. The one spoken by Jesus himself.
Examine this questions brocab@ bold this question is becoming stale
1. If you say one body, one spirit, was Jesus a spirit before he came to earth? Jesus was not just a spirit but he was God. John1:1
2. When Jesus was on earth, was the spirit in him his, the father or the holy spirit.?The holy Spirit is a person, he is called the spirit of Christ and of God and he was the anointing on Jesus
3. After Jesus left the earth, did he remain in the body or became a spirit?heare from Jesus own mouth. Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself, and see; for a spirit hath not[b] flesh and bones, [/b]as ye see me have
4. What does Jesus mean by " the father is greater than I am" the father is greater than him because he put on the form of a servant Phil 2:6
5. Why does Jesus say he is going to the father when you are trying to say he is spirit.[/quote[ it was you who said Jesus is a spirit which Jesus himself refuted
]6. You asked a question, the answer is yes, but ill like to ask you, what about the soul, why did you remove the soul when fomulating your question. the discussion is not about soul
brocab , readers will note(again) that you have NOT quoted and explained ANY of the following scriptures :
1.rev 1:1,6
2. Rev 3, 2,13
3. John 17:1-3
4. Heb 1:1 -9
5. John 20:17
6. 1 cor 11:3
7 . 1 ti 2 :5,6
8.Acts 4:10
9. Acts 2:36
10. Acts 2:24
11. Acts 5:30
12.Acts 10:38,40,43
11. Phil 2:9,11
12. john 14:6
13. Acts 4 : 26,27, 30
14. 1 john 4:14
15. Heb 5:7
16. ps 28:18
17. 2 cor 1:3
18. Eph 1:3
19. 1 pet 1:3
20: 2Cor 8:6
21. 1 cor 15: 27,28
And a host of others..... let me help you, type those verses and then we can discuss...................................
Brocab , examine these scripture
Acts 5: 31.
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins. Jesus as a man was elevated to a new position as the high priest
John 3:16.
For God so loved the world,
that he gave his only begotten
Son, that whosoever believeth
in him should not perish, but
have everlasting life.
Jesus is Gods only begotten son, Jesus is not God almighty!If the father by nature is Almighty and if Jesus has same nature as the father then Jesus is all mighty. A Lion will equally give birth to a lion
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[img]YOU HAVE AGAIN ADDED LIES TO YOUR VIEWS.
Lets see if Jesus was recognizable to those who knew him:
[b]King James Version
Joh 20:14And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS Jesus!
King James Version
Joh 20:15Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? SHE SUPPOSING HIM TO BE THE GARGENER, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.
I dnt think the disciples would have been able to recognize Jesus more than Mary, she probably would have known Jesus from birth, and the picture of Jesus in her memory would have been sharper than a 100 mega pixel camera!
but here you are , lying again that Jesus was recognizable to those who knew him!
dnt you think Mary should have been able to recognise Jesus instantly if he had been raise in the same body he died in?
* this is a question ill hope you can give us answer to .
Do you notice how Jesus appeared to his disciples who had locked the doors, his actions transcends the physical realm, he appeared to them gram!, in a locked rooM!. yet until he showed them death dealing wound marks, that was when they believed they where swing the Lord.
brocab pls tell us
1. DOES SOME ONE FACE CHANGE WHEN HE OR SHE IS RESSURRECTED WITH THE SAME BODY HE OR SHE DIED IN?the resurrected body is a glorified one
2.DOES SOME ONE GETS RESSURRECTED WITH THE WOUND'S OR INJURIES THAT KILLED HIM?
If your assumptions are true, I bet during the ressurection, we will know those whose throut where slit, cus there will still be a gapping hole in there necks. and those whose brains where blown out will have a hole in their head, cus they will be resurrected with that same body!
before, I digress, let's further examine ya lie.are you saying if Jesus want to retain those marks in his body he cannot do it
King James Version
Joh 21:4But when the morning was now come, Jesus stood on the shore: BUT THE DISCIPLES KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS Jesus.
john 21: 12 New International Version
Jesus said to them, "Come and have breakfast." None of the disciples dared ask him, "Who are you?" They knew it was the Lord.
even after seing Jesus after his resurrecting, after being with Jesus for years, they still do not recognize Jesus at first glance. If Jesus had been resurrected with the same body he had died in, the disciples will have no doubt, they wunt need to even bother to ask the question that dared not to ask, "who are you".
Jesus had just showed them who he is, it is left for us to understand that they still had issues with Jesus physical features, despite knowing that the person inviting theM to a meal is actually Jesus. when Jesus walked on water was he a spirit? Didn't the disciples think he was a spirit
I for one believe that only spirits do appear and dissappear at will!
spirits can manifest physical bodies of any liking for any particular purpose, the scriptures is awash with such occurrences, they can even use it to have sex sef!
sir do you ever read the scriptures at all.
It says flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God!
human body is flesh and blood!
how then do you espect the king of gods kingdom to have flesh and blood while his Co rulers do not!angels can materialise as humans to be able to relate to humans that does not mean they have bodies. That's not
how do you expect the physical to rule in the spiritual realm.
brocab, Jesus was a spirit before he came to earth, was he not? Jesus was not just any spirit he was God and that did not change
how come , you refuse him his spirit nature when he had accomplished the work he was sent to do here on earth? it is you deny him.@ cancelled part which type of spirit nature God's nature or that of angels.

dolphinheart:
good, me and my fathers are humans, apply the these statement to jesus. If jesus and God have same nature it means both jesus and God are what? gods!, no wonder the disciples specifically seperated the gods and told us who our God is!(A verse you refused to respond to)


now zodiakzax, in heaven is jesus as God nature , equal to the father?
If you had read my post very well, you will see that I had no time said Jesus was human when I said he had the same nature with God, so your question is unnecessary.
I can agree with you if you had said that nature makes him a god, cus actually we are talking about two persons here, the father and the son, unless you want to say they are the same person .
likewise iF my Father is a Person and also a human, and I'm a person and also a human, it means we are two humans, not one!

Secondly , you said the father is greater than me in position, can we apply these to jesus too,? if so then jesus is not the almighty God , cus no one is superior to the almighty God in position, that is why he is called the most high!


you are very wrong sir, Jesus did not come as both man and God, I'll first quote and explain the scriptures you mentioned then add mine .

phil 2:6 English Standard Version
who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,

the previous verses gives us an insight into what Paul was saying here , Philippians 2:6 makes no sense at all if Jesus is viewed as ‘God.’

[b]3.nothing from selfish ambition or conceit, but in humility count others more significant than yourselves.
4 Let each of you look not only to his own interests, but also to the interests of others.
5 Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus,[/color]

some translations translate verse 5 as:" Have this attitude in yourselves, which was also in Christ Jesus."

If Jesus was ‘God’ he could not have been tempted to do something from “selfishness or empty conceit” nor could he be tempted to “merely look out for” his own “personal interests.
paul counsels Christians to imitate Christ in the matter here being discussed. Could they be urged to consider it “not robbery,” but their right, “to be equal with God”? Surely not!
However, they can imitate one who “gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God.”

now does jesus beING in the form of God mean jesus is almighty God ? no , the earlier discussion about father and son being humans cus they have same nature clears that, and the fact that Jesus did not consider grabING the notion that he could be equal to God surpports that.
These other scriptures also give credence to the fact the jesus is not almighty God.

col 1:15 English Standard Version
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.

English Standard Version
gen 5:3 When Adam had lived 130 years, he fathered a son in his own likeness, after his image, and named him Seth.
some translations say : " in his image"
if seth is not adam cus he is in the image of adam and same nature with adam, then we can see that Jesus is not God cus he is in the image of God, just like seth is a man, like Jesus is a god.

let's continue, for verse 7, I'm going to quote from different translations to emphasis the point there
[b] phil 2:7
New International Version
rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, BEING MADE IN HUMAN LIKENESS.

English Standard Version
but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.

New American Standard Bible
but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.

International Standard Version
Instead, poured out in emptiness, a servant's form did he possess, a mortal man becoming. In human form he chose to be,

NET Bible
but emptied himself by taking on the form of a slave, by looking like other men, and by sharing in human nature.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
But he stripped himself and took the form of a Servant and was in the form of the children of men, and was found in fashion as a man.[/u]

did this verse say Jesus retained his divine nature or form when he took on human form? no! the verse indicate jesus EMPTIED HIMSELF and became human. There was no addition of any form but a total change in form!

verse 8 supports this view
English Standard Version
And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.
Jesus was found only in one form when he came to earth, not 2 in 1 form.
If jesus was fully God when he came to earth , satan would have right to claim no human can remain Faithfull to God and sinless till death, cus according to you jesus was more than human, he was also God .

verse 9, and 11 now concludes the matter, snowing us that jesus is not God, nor he the God he was reffering to earlier, he also identified who god is.
HOPE YOU REMEMBER WHO JESUS CALL ED THE TRUE GOD, WHO HE IDENTIFIED AS OUR GOD AND WHO THE APOSTLES LISTED AS OUR GOD OUT OF THE MANY GOD'S.

English Standard Version
Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name
New International Version
and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

do we have other scriptures that surpport this
[b]Joh 1:14So the Word BECAME FLESH and resided among us, and we had a view of his glory, a glory such as belongs to an only-begotten son from a father; and he was full of divine favor and truth.

Heb 2:9But we do see Jesus, who WAS MADE a little lower than angels, now crowned with glory and honor for having suffered death, so that by God’s undeserved kindness he might taste death for everyone.

Isa 52:13Look! My servant will act with insight. He will be raised up high, He will be elevated and greatly exalted.

read also Ac 2:32, 33; Joh 14:28; Isa 53:2, 3; Joh 10:17


King James Version
Mt 21:15And when the chief priests and scribes saw the wonderful things that he did, and the children crying in the temple, and saying, Hosanna to the Son of David; they were sore displeased
Mt 21:16And said unto him, Hearest thou what these say? And Jesus saith unto them, Yea; have ye never read, Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings thou hast perfected praise?

King James Version
Ps 8:2Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings hast thou ordained strength because of thine enemies, that thou mightest still the enemy and the avenger.

zodiakzax, if you had been a reader of the scriptures you would have understood better
read the scriptures and stop looking for similarities
Ps 8:1 O Jehovah our Lord, how majestic your name is throughout the earth; You have set your splendor even higher than the heavens!
Ps 8:2 Out of the mouth of children and infants you have established strength On account of your adversaries, To silence the enemy and the avenger.

Mt 21:9Moreover, the crowds going ahead of him and those following him kept shouting: “Save, we pray, the Son of David! Blessed is the one who comes in Jehovah’s name! Save him, we pray, in the heights above!”

did Jesus come to proclaim his name,? no he came to proclaim the fathers name(jehovah)
who Did Jesus claim to be the source of his wonderful works? the father.
that crowd, unlike the Pharisees know who they are praising and who they are blessing, and Jesus knew too.


ill adress this part in ma next post .

Jozzy4:
Learn to comprehend, solite said Rusell himself not book, claim to be SPECIALLY ANOINTED BY GOD, and i ask is it by seeing Jesus asking him to become a pastor or reverend like ur men in black always claim ?

Jozzy4:
The holyspirit was personified in those scriptures man.

@ Numbers 11:17,, the holyspirit is identified as " IT " so get sense.

dolphinheart:
1. They are points detailing how God gave jesus the Revelation and that Jesus is not the one who is, who was and who is to come.
It gave a detailed explanation of rev 1: 1,4-8 that you could not refute.
you could not quote and explain the scriptures mentioned their.

2. you could not even show prove of where I said what you accused me of .

3. In not posting for you to believe me, cus I know you wunt, but I want you to answer the questions posted to you.
and pls, stop cutting parts of my post ofF!

your questions are still pendin sir

Jesus has a God, yes or no,?
Jesus is subjected to that God , yes or no
if Jesus has a God, how can He then be almighty God ?

2. on April 27 jEphz
"for those saying Jesus is God.. pls. explain these Scripture for me ... Ephesians 5:1,2 1timothy 2:5 John 8:42 Act 2:22 Hebrews 12:2...... "

3. April 29
" the God of our Lord Jesus Christ " Eph 1:17, who is the God of Jesus Christ ?

4. "You say Jesus is still a man in heaven, you also say Jesus has a God when he was a man.
NOW DOES Jesus STILL HAVE A GOD IN HEAVEN?"

who anointed Jesus? who is that person to Jesus?
you can see that the questions are numbered, so dnt muddle it up , or give part response

solite3, pls respond to these post if you can( it was posted on may 28, 1: 17pm)

The first verse of Revelation had set a precedent for you to use to examine the whole book, it tells you that "God gave Jesus" the revelation , God did not give himself, Jesus did not give himself, it was God who have Jesus the Revelation. God ( in the book of revelation)and Jesus are not the same person!
verse 4-6 also clears who is who in the Book of revaluation, it helps us to understand that the one who is, who was, and who is coming is different from Jesus Christ.
brocab says it's Jesus, you say it's the father, yet you refuse to discuss and tell the whole world who is right and who is wrong!
to make sure that you dnt confuse yourself on who the al mighty God is, Jesus told you severaly in that book that he has a God! , using the words " my God " several times in that book. I ve several times asked if the almighty can have a god superior to him, cus Jesus had now indicated when he was in heaven, when he came to earth, and when he back in heaven that he has a God! he did not just call that God "a God ", he said "my God", "your god" , "the only true god".

All this facts are presented to you in the Book of Revelation, you could not discuss any of them, but you choose to believe a verse from the Textus Receptus that you can't defend, that you can't show where the Textus Receptus got it from! that majority of scholars have shown to be spurious, that can't be found even in translations of the authors that surpport trinity.
lastly, even if you would not answer the questions being posted to you several times , pls can you tell us the name of your church or organization you associate with at the moment?[/b]

zodiakzax:
lol, dolphinheart is a noisy gong... He clearly doesn't know the difference between Christ's ministry as a Man and God. And we have tried to explain it but it seems he thinks he knows best. He asks foolish qtns, and desire that we answer them. And bcs He can't comprehend the doctrine, he lacks the capability to understand this simple truth. The Holy Spirit came over Mary and Mary became pregnant with Jesus. Jesus was both God and man but did not seem it fitting. To be equal with God so He took upon Himself the nature of a man so He can humbly serve God the Father. John 17, Jesus In vs 5 asks the Father to restore His glory same Glory the Father has (which He shares with no one) because He has completed the work He came to do. Jesus is in heaven as both God and Man.and that is why as man He calls God His God. Maybe this is too hard for dolphinheart to understand since he blv's Jesus is angel Michael. He still hasn't answer the qtn we've been asking him, if they say Jesus is "a god" what kind of God is He? Better to dny Jesys completely than to liken Him to a mere angel, at least Russell knew that. May God forgive them all.

solite3:
sincerely dolphins heart you are not making sense. Sorry to say. Thank God you have finally agreed that Jesus is a man even in heaven but that's not the whole story, Jesus is also God Almighty but not the Father even Russell agreed.I advise you to go back and read slowly our previous quote your questions had been answered, please be guided.

dolphinheart:
leave you alone ke!, you are talking about others, using lies and defamation and you dnt want to be left alone!?

well ill leave you alone if you attend to this issues, they have been on ground for months!
issues at hand:

I brought up and issue on what he said about Jesus when he was on earth, hope you will agree that God's Spirit helped him make such statement too, but knowing you, I believe you will stay as far away from that issue as possible even though you where being mentioned there!
PLS ! ,BROCAB, PROVIDE JUST ONE EXAMPLE WHERE YOU HAD ASKED ME TO EXPLAIN " WHO IT IS" AND ALL IVE DONE IS TO WRITE THE SCRIPTURE DOWN!
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you said this : "But first you need to think about this, "we are Christians" and Christians are not Jehovah witnesses, Christians don't think the same as you, nor do we believe in any of your doctrines."
I asked you :
you dnt believe any of our doctrines? ok , one of the doctrines of jehovahs witnesses doctrine is that followers of Jesus are not supposed to participate in warfare , do you accept this doctrine or you believe that Jesus followers are supposed to participate in warfare, by warfare, I mean war among countries, nationalities, and tribes, e.g the nigerian civil war!
Another teaching is that fornicators, people who deliberately and continuously commit fornication after being found out, are not allowed to be part of
brocab, there are still other isues at hand

1. WRITTEN WHAAAT? pls point to what I've written and post it, anytime I say you said something, I endeavor to direct you to wheee and when you said it, so pls direct me and others to where I said " God and the Word is a two headed god"?
bunch of liars!
2. Brought what back to my attention, I know you desperately want him to bring those words he accused me of saying out, it pains you that he could not, hence you have to find alternatives!
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And yet no response from you on the issue you yourself raised?
also up till now , you have not answered these questions
(ill find that post and point it to you)
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you have also refused to respond to these questions and scripture:
[b]Just tell us the name of the church you associate with, that you are a member of!. If possible you can include its official website, at least you surpport using technology in Gods work.

Tell us, do you know that Jesus Christ told someone that he has a God? And that statement was recorded in the kjv.? Can you tell us where this can be found?
If you can't answer this question brocab, then you dnt know the truth about Christ!.
Expecially. The one spoken by Jesus himself.

Examine this questions brocab
1. If you say one body, one spirit, was Jesus a spirit before he came to earth?
2. When Jesus was on earth, was the spirit in him his, the father or the holy spirit.?
3. After Jesus left the earth, did he remain in the body or became a spirit?
4. What does Jesus mean by " the father is greater than I am"
5. Why does Jesus say he is going to the father when you are trying to say he is spirit.
6. You asked a question, the answer is yes, but ill like to ask you, what about the soul, why did you remove the soul when fomulating your question.

brocab , readers will note(again) that you have NOT quoted and explained ANY of the following scriptures :
1.rev 1:1,6
2. Rev 3, 2,13
3. John 17:1-3
4. Heb 1:1 -9
5. John 20:17
6. 1 cor 11:3
7 . 1 ti 2 :5,6
8.Acts 4:10
9. Acts 2:36
10. Acts 2:24
11. Acts 5:30
12.Acts 10:38,40,43
11. Phil 2:9,11
12. john 14:6
13. Acts 4 : 26,27, 30
14. 1 john 4:14
15. Heb 5:7
16. ps 28:18
17. 2 cor 1:3
18. Eph 1:3
19. 1 pet 1:3
20: 2Cor 8:6
21. 1 cor 15: 27,28
And a host of others
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Brocab , examine these scripture
Acts 5: 31.
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
John 3:16.
For God so loved the world,
that he gave his only begotten
Son, that whosoever believeth
in him should not perish, but
have everlasting life.
Jesus is Gods only begotten son, Jesus is not God almighty!
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YOU HAVE AGAIN ADDED LIES TO YOUR VIEWS.
Lets see if Jesus was recognizable to those who knew him:
[b]King James Version
Joh 20:14And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS Jesus!
King James Version
Joh 20:15Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? SHE SUPPOSING HIM TO BE THE GARGENER, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.
I dnt think the disciples would have been able to recognize Jesus more than Mary, she probably would have known Jesus from birth, and the picture of Jesus in her memory would have been sharper than a 100 mega pixel camera!
but here you are , lying again that Jesus was recognizable to those who knew him!
dnt you think Mary should have been able to recognise Jesus instantly if he had been raise in the same body he died in?
* this is a question ill hope you can give us answer to .
Do you notice how Jesus appeared to his disciples who had locked the doors, his actions transcends the physical realm, he appeared to them gram!, in a locked rooM!. yet until he showed them death dealing wound marks, that was when they believed they where swing the Lord.

brocab pls tell us
1. DOES SOME ONE FACE CHANGE WHEN HE OR SHE IS RESSURRECTED WITH THE SAME BODY HE OR SHE DIED IN?
2.DOES SOME ONE GETS RESSURRECTED WITH THE WOUND'S OR INJURIES THAT KILLED HIM?
If your assumptions are true, I bet during the ressurection, we will know those whose throut where slit, cus there will still be a gapping hole in there necks. and those whose brains where blown out will have a hole in their head, cus they will be resurrected with that same body!

before, I digress, let's further examine ya lie.
King James Version
Joh 21:4But when the morning was now come, Jesus stood on the shore: BUT THE DISCIPLES KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS Jesus.
john 21: 12 New International Version
Jesus said to them, "Come and have breakfast." None of the disciples dared ask him, "Who are you?" They knew it was the Lord.
even after seing Jesus after his resurrecting, after being with Jesus for years, they still do not recognize Jesus at first glance. If Jesus had been resurrected with the same body he had died in, the disciples will have no doubt, they wunt need to even bother to ask the question that dared not to ask, "who are you".
Jesus had just showed them who he is, it is left for us to understand that they still had issues with Jesus physical features, despite knowing that the person inviting theM to a meal is actually Jesus.

I for one believe that only spirits do appear and dissappear at will!
spirits can manifest physical bodies of any liking for any particular purpose, the scriptures is awash with such occurrences, they can even use it to have sex sef!

sir do you ever read the scriptures at all.
It says flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God!
human body is flesh and blood!
how then do you espect the king of gods kingdom to have flesh and blood while his Co rulers do not!
how do you expect the physical to rule in the spiritual realm.
brocab, Jesus was a spirit before he came to earth, was he not?
how come , you refuse him his spirit nature when he had accomplished the work he was sent to do here on earth?

dolphinheart:
it is you that need's to stop lying, stop changing the issues under discussion whenever you are being exposed, stop being blind to scriptures being posted to you.



Ive not only explained rev 1,4, I've explained rev 1:1,4-8, Rev 3:2,12 , and heb 1:9.
This scriptures you had been asked months ago to explain, but you have shown to be INCAPABLE of doing so!, always trying to shift the topic whenever you are asked to do so .
pls since you have read Russell's book, pls post what he wrote, since you have been proven to be liar.

even your friend solite3 have told you that the person who is who was and who is to come is the father , but you say it's a different person entirely , you say it's Jesus . you can only
to prove this by not reading verse 1,5 and 6 of rev chapter 1, you know that if you ever dared to quote it and explain it, you will be exposed with your own words! , hence you refused to quote and EX plain it.

excerpts from a Web page :
Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ , which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants, the things which must shortly take place; and He sent and communicated {it} by His angel to His bond-servant John. (NAS)

GOD gave the revelation TO Jesus Christ; if Jesus was truly “God” why does he need another “God” to give him the revelation? This fact alone proves Jesus Christ is lesser in knowledge than God. The Trinitarian camp and the Jesus is God camp simply cannot explain Revelation 1:1. Put another way, let’s illustrate by changing names and replacing them with simple modern ones:
· The Revelation of Bob, which Sam gave him…
In this example, Sam gave Bob the revelation; if we use the Jesus is God logic, the sentence would read, “The Revelation of Bob, which Bob gave to himself…” I know it’s an absurd choice of examples, and that’s my point. To say Jesus is “God” based on the context is flat out contradictory. I want to continue examining the verses that precede verse 8 because the context clearly establishes 1:8 is NOT referring to Jesus Christ but rather God the Father, who IS the ONLY Almighty (Pantokrátœr) in the New Testament.

Revelation 1:2 who bore witness to the word of God AND to the testimony of Jesus Christ , even to all that he saw. (NAS)

The contrast between God Almighty and Jesus the man in Revelation 1:2 is the use of the conjunction, “ AND,” which serves to join two distinctly separate phrases. The word “ AND ” separates the phrase, “the word of God,” from the phrase, “the testimony of Jesus.” The apostle John, bore witness to distinct separate beings; God Almighty and Jesus the man.

Next in verses 4-6 he again makes the distinction between different three separate personages. I have color coded the verse to show clearly the distinctive differences; Blue = God Almighty ; Purple = the seven spirits and Red = Jesus the man,firstborn from among the DEAD (NOTE, God cannot ever be “born” or be “dead”). The dissimilarity between God and Jesus is the them all thru the Book of Revelation, as you will see.

Revelation 1:4-6 John TO the seven churches that are in Asia: Grace to you and peace, from Him (God the Father) who is and who was and who is to come ; AND from the seven Spirits who are before His throne ; AND from Jesus Christ , the faithful witness, the first-born of the dead, AND the ruler of the kings of the earth . To him (Jesus) who loves us, and released us from our sins by his blood , AND he (Jesus) has made us to be a kingdom, priests to his God and Father; to him (God the Father) be the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen. (NAS)
John writes his apocalypse in very clear terms; he addresses the “seven churches” in Asia, and then qualifies exactly to whom and from WHOM each message was given. First he gives supreme recognition to God the Father by addressing Him as, “Him who is and who was and who is to come.” Many Christians mistake this phrase as referring to Jesus without carefully reading the grammatical structure of the paragraph. The paragraph reads, “…Him who is and who was and who is to come AND FROM Jesus Christ.”

The words, “ and from ,” are used as a conjunction but also to differentiate between three separate parties mentioned; by definition a conjunction not only joins phrases but also divides and separates. This alone PROVES Jesus is not the same as God, and later, in Revelation 1:8, this is verified. The message is TO the seven churches and FROM the following THREE parties:

· From Him who is and who was and who is to come
· AND from the seven Spirits who are before His throne
· AND from Jesus Christ the first-born of the dead AND the ruler of the kings of the earth

Notice carefully the word “from” is omitted after the conjunction “AND” the ruler of the kings…” The reason for this is quite simple; the message is not “from” a fourth party, but this is a second role description of Jesus who is the “ruler” of the kings of “earth.”
Notice he is not called the ruler of the kings in “heaven.” Also, FYI the word “ruler” aptly defined means, “magistrate.”
To verify this meaning, look at the definition of a magistrate from Noah Webster’s 1828 dictionary, which was written in the same era as most all other Bible reference tools such as Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance of the Old & New Testaments, Englishman’s Hebrew & Greek Concordances and many more. Therefore the 1828 version of Webster’s is more apt to convey the most accurate meaning of magistrate or in Revelation 1:5, “the ruler,” as used by the translators of most modern Bibles.
MAGISTRATE, n. [L. magistratus, from magister, master; magis, major, and ster, Teutonic steora, a director ; steoran , to steer; the principal director.] A public civil officer, invested with the executive government of some branch of it. In this sense, a king is the highest or first magistrate, as is the President of the United States .
But the word is more particularly applied to subordinate officers, as governors, intendants, prefects, mayors, justices of the peace, and the like. The magistrate must have his reverence; the laws their authority. MAGISTRATIC adjective = Having the authority of a magistrate.
Now refer to the actual Greek word used in Revelation 1:5 for “ruler” and you will see it is defined as one vested with authority and therefore subordinate to a higher power; in other words, Jesus is the ruler of the earthly kings but he is a glorified man and therefore subordinate to the Father who alone is God Almighty.
Rev 1:5 - “ruler” = archon NT: 758; present participle of NT: 757; a first ( in rank or power ):KJV - chief (ruler), magistrate , prince, ruler . (Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright (c) 1994, Biblesoft and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

God the Father, who is also known as Yahweh in the OT, is the One, “who is,” because in Exodus 3:14 He tells Moses His name, saying, “I AM THAT I AM.” This is an incomplete translation of the Hebrew wording, “Ehyeh Asshur Ehyeh.” This Hebrew term is more accurately translated as, “ I exist {present tense} as what I AM, and what I have always existed as {in the past tense}, and what I will continue to exist as {in the future}.” This Hebrew phrase matches the Greek equivalent description in Revelation 1:4 perfectly as, “ Him who is {in the present} and who was {in the past} and who is to come {in the future}.” .
Jesus cannot be God Almighty if he is the firstborn from among the dead! Second, in order of rank and importance, John writes concerning Jesus by calling him, “the faithful witness, the first-born of the dead,” who, “released us from our sins by his blood .” Again as mentioned earlier, God cannot die, nor does He have blood like a man.
In Revelation 1:5 Jesus is not God BECAUSE he made a kingdom of priests to, “ his God .”
Jesus has made his church to be a kingdom, priests, “ to his God and Father.” How could Jesus be “God” in heaven if his kingdom belongs to, “ his God and Father?”
John says that Jesus released us from our sins through his blood , and made us to be “priests” to “ his God .” A “priest” is someone that mediates or reconciles men to God; therefore a priest cannot be God . As we continue our context leading up to Revelation 1:8 in Revelation 1:7 we find that Jesus was pierced in the side & God cannot be pierced! Why? Because God is SPIRIT.

Revelation 1:7 Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him ; and all the tribes of the earth will mourn over him. Even so.
Amen. (NAS)

Revelation 1:7 refers to Jesus Christ as a man, not as God, because 1:6 says Jesus released us from our sins, “ by his blood ” (an obvious reference to his crucifixion). The kingdom of “God” is NOT flesh and “blood,” which means this passage refers to Jesus as a man. Also, the text deals with Christ’s future “coming” in which “every eye will see him, even those who pierced him .” Jesus is not God because God cannot be pierced, primarily because God is a Spirit being and He does not have a body of flesh and bones that can be punctured by nails or spears. Proof? The following verses help clarify and punctuate this point:
John 4:23-24 “But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers shall worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers. God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.” (NAS)
John 1:18 No one has seen God at any time . The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him. (NKJV)
Genesis 1:1-2 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 And the earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep; and
the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters. NAS

If Jesus is God and every eye will see him, doesn’t that contradict John 1:18 that says, “ No one has seen God at any time ?” Obviously God has been a “Spirit,” since the very beginning, as illustrated in Genesis 1:1. Jesus reveals the Father to us, because he is a man in submission to the SPIRIT of God, and therefore we learn of the invisible God’s character or likeness (i.e. – What God is “like” such as His compassion, mercy, forgiveness, etc.) through the example of the MAN.

Okay, now I will answer your question about Revelation 1:8; you asked me:
Why is Jesus called “the Almighty” in Revelation 1:8?
The answer is that Revelation 1:8 is NOT Jesus speaking; it is the Father God speaking, as I will prove from the text internal evidence:
Revelation 1:8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega ,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty .” (NAS)

The MAIN reason this verse is God speaking and not Jesus is the phrase, “the Lord God…the Almighty.” Jesus Christ is NEVER referred to as the “Almighty.” Not one single place in the entire New Testament can you find Jesus described as the “Almighty” One; the Greek word for Almighty is “Pantokrator,” and means, “All ruling one.”
Furthermore Revelation 1:8 is a reference to God the Father (aka in the OT as Yahweh, Elohim, El, Eloah, etc) as the Creator, who is He that was in the beginning (alpha) and end of everything (omega) which has been created, including the creation of His son Jesus (read Genesis. 1:1).

I don’t know where Christians get it in the head that alpha and omega have anything to do with deity. It may stem from using only the King James Version, a Bible that has so many flaws in its Greek translation it should never be held as credible for the serious student of scripture. Below is the KJV rendering of Revelation 1:8 and I have
highlighted in red the words erroneously added by the KJV translators:

Revelation 1:8 "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending ,” saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. KJV

The New King James Version makes the following disclosure concerning the words, “ the beginning and the ending,” in its notations for Revelation 1:8 (see below):
Revelation 1:8 * The NU-Text and M-Text omit, “the Beginning and the End.” (NKJV)

Since the best manuscripts eliminate altogether the words, the beginning and the end,” I will not bother taking time to define them. However, if you are familiar with the Textus Receptus, which is the Greek manuscript used by the KJV translators, you will discover that much of what they relied on for their Greek text originated from Erasmus’ work and we know historically the Roman Catholic church pressured him to insert words and phrases by providing him with eleventh century Latin Mss that had been altered or doctored to validate their theological position concerning the trinity.......


.......ALMIGHTY = NT: 3841 pantokratoor, pantokratoros, ho; he who holds sway over all things; the ruler of all; almighty: used of God , 2 Corinthians 6:18 ( From Thayer's Greek Lexicon , Electronic Database. Copyright (c) 2000 by Biblesoft)
ALMIGHTY = NT: 3841 pantokrátœr; gen. pantokrátoros, masc. noun from pás (3956), all, every, and krátos (NT: 2904), power, strength, dominion. Ruler over all, omnipotent, almighty, spoken only of God as in 2 Corinthians 6:18; Revelation 1:8; 4:8; 11:17; 15:3; 16:7,14; 19:6,15; 21:22. ( From The Complete Word Study Bible and The Complete Word Study Dictionary : New Testament Copyright © 1991, 1992, 1994, 2002 AMG International, Inc.)

Because Revelation 1:4 uses the identical phrase as 1:8, “who is and who was and who is to come,” when referring to God, neither of these applies to the MAN Christ Jesus.
Revelation 1:8 simply embellishes the phrase in Revelation 1:4 by adding further details as to the IDENTITY of Him, “who is and who was and who is to come.”
To demonstrate my point I have taken Revelation 1:4 & Revelation 1:8 and grouped them next to each other (below) and used highlighted words to illustrate similarities.
Compare the two verses and you will see how accurate this conclusion is:

Revelation 1:4 From Him who is and who was and who is to come and from the seven Spirits who are before His throne. NAS
Revelation 1:8 “ I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty .” NAS

Both verses use the phrase, “who is and who was and who is to come,” and this is strong indication they refer to the same individual. Revelation 1:4 mentions ownership of, “His throne,” whereas Revelation 1:8 shows His identity as the, “Lord God,” and also as, “the Almighty.”

.... One area of confusion for many Christians is Revelation 1:11. The problem is that the King James Version ADDS words that are not found in any of the early and best manuscripts. The KJV differs from other translations by blatantly ADDING the phrase at the start of Revelation 1:11, “I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last.” We can only speculate why the King James translators decided to use the late date Latin manuscripts that erroneously add this to the text, but even the revised King James version known today as, “The New King James Version,” makes the following notation concerning this phrase in Revelation 1:11:
Revelation 1:11 * The NU-Text and M-Text omit, “I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and,” (NKJV)

............... In fairness to the translators of the KJV perhaps we should assume they were just following the Textus Receptus, which has hundreds if not thousands of problems.
One can only speculate, but it appears the KJV translators wanted to make a clear connection between the phrases “Alpha and Omega” and “the first and the last,” and whatever the individual theological position of the translators on the King James committee, the KJV certainly corroborates the view that Christ was “God.” Trinitarian influences no doubt played some role, since the Church of England espouses Jesus Christ as, ‘God the son’ (i.e. - the second person of the Trinity; a co-equal God person, along with the person of the Father & the Holy Spirit). A ridiculous notion indeed!.......

..........Today, it is the preconceived notion and doctrinal prejudice of Christian theologians that defines, “the Alpha and Omega,” as “God,” in Revelation 1:11 and their stubborn ways to use only the KJV because it adds, ‘the first and the last,’ to the text. There are enough credible manuscripts and study tools available for a person to find the correct answers. Throughout its dark and sordid past, the Roman Catholic Church concealed the scriptures from the masses, but there has always been a few people had the passion, drive and the courage to challenge doctrinal prejudices.
Nowadays, people ARE beginning to ask questions. No longer does everyone accept status quo and the advent of Bible software have made comparing Bible translations much easier...........


zodiakzax also passed a message about Jesus being man, I pointed you to his statement, but you refused to respond to it as predicted. just like in Russell's case , you take the part that you think surpports your case and go blind to the ones that you have issues with . This is the same method you had applied to reading the scriptures , you are quick to quote scriptures that you think will surpport your views, but when scriptures that shows you are wrong are posted to you, instant blindness occurs and you refuse to see it, talk less of quoting and explainING.

YOUR AIM IS JUST TO FIND FAULT BY ANY MEANS POSSIBLE WHILE REFUSAL TO OFFER ANY ALTERNATIVES!




you can close any case you want using any means you want, but everyone knows you can't quote those scriptures, neither can you Answer those questions.
* for space purpose, I've omitted those issues at hand.

READERS SHOULD NOTE THAT HE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO REFUTE THE POINTS ABOVE

zodiakzax:
hahahha you guys will love this. If they want, they can check it out but it will only hurt them. Any way brethren enjoy this.


https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/206938/finished-mystery-1917-book-that-jesus-approved

MrEmekaa:
It may interest you to know that C.T Russell also celebrated christmas but JWs today do not celebrate christmas in line with new understanding of the scriptures. And many today have come to realize that Christmas is rooted in pegan celebration. So JWs are not follower of CT Russell but followers of christ.

JWs do not assume to know everything correctly from the bible, so humbly and prayerfully JWs search the scripture asking God's holy spirit for guidance.

There are so many things you can learn and know from a one on one discussion with JWs, they are always available. If you are in Lagos, I'll gladly oblige your invitation so we can reason from the scripture and not strive to win an arguement.

MrEmekaa:
You have the right and choice not to believe what the JWs believe... and JWs do not argue-there's no medal for winning an argument, and you will not be forced into agreeing with their believes otherwise that would be extremism.

My advise for you is this, wherever you see JWs, sit down with them and reason from the scripture from a neutral perspective and not from "I'm already right perspective." That's humility, and that is what is needed to understand God's word.

Yes can you imagine, the founder of the JW's would be disqualified by his own creation. And who will disqualify him

zodiakzax:
you are doing a very good work, keep it up and let everyone who will chance by this thread read and know the truth about JW's and their founder Charles Russell. Indeed he would have been disfellowshipped by now, that got My attention, what an interesting news it would have been.