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dolphinheart:
I have never gone out of action before, no whinch me bad thing!



it is not about me but you could say "we are talking about Russell and about his teachings you refuse to believe" Haba! , when it's now about me, what will you say.
brocab , you ones claimed my doctrine is different from that of the organizations doctrine, I asked you to provide one of their present doctrines that is different from mine. you have failed to do so.


you sha want to force founder on me sha, well it's the only way your views could have some meaning, but note, the organization has told you who their founder is!, argue it all you want!



YOU ARE A LIAR BROCAB!, IVE DONE THAT MULTIPLE TIMES ON THIS THREAD AND ON EACH OCCASION MENTIONED YOU MULTIPLE TIMES.

It is you who have for months refused to quote and explain scriptures in which jesus was mentioned!


your teachings are false , that's why you can quote and explain rev 1:1,4-6. The person that did so said the one who is , who was and who is to come is the father!.


are you sure you read it, I dnt think so.



note: he attacks an organization but refuses to give alternatives
he refuses to respond to issues raised or answer questions he is asked !

we never ever had an old argument , all I'm requestING of you is to respond to to the issues at hand:


I brought up and issue on what he said about Jesus when he was on earth, hope you will agree that God's Spirit helped him make such statement too, but knowing you, I believe you will stay as far away from that issue as possible even though you where being mentioned there!

PLS ! ,BROCAB, PROVIDE JUST ONE EXAMPLE WHERE YOU HAD ASKED ME TO EXPLAIN " WHO IT IS" AND ALL IVE DONE IS TO WRITE THE SCRIPTURE DOWN!
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you said this : "But first you need to think about this, "we are Christians" and Christians are not Jehovah witnesses, Christians don't think the same as you, nor do we believe in any of your doctrines."

I asked you :
you dnt believe any of our doctrines? ok , one of the doctrines of jehovahs witnesses doctrine is that followers of Jesus are not supposed to participate in warfare , do you accept this doctrine or you believe that Jesus followers are supposed to participate in warfare, by warfare, I mean war among countries, nationalities, and tribes, e.g the nigerian civil war!
Another teaching is that fornicators, people who deliberately and continuously commit fornication after being found out, are not allowed to be part of

brocab, there are still other isues at hand
1. WRITTEN WHAAAT? pls point to what I've written and post it, anytime I say you said something, I endeavor to direct you to wheee and when you said it, so pls direct me and others to where I said " God and the Word is a two headed god"?
bunch of liars!
2. Brought what back to my attention, I know you desperately want him to bring those words he accused me of saying out, it pains you that he could not, hence you have to find alternatives!
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And yet no response from you on the issue you yourself raised?
also up till now , you have not answered these questions
(ill find that post and point it to you)
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you have also refused to respond to these questions and scripture:
[b]Just tell us the name of the church you associate with, that you are a member of!. If possible you can include its official website, at least you surpport using technology in Gods work.
Tell us, do you know that Jesus Christ told someone that he has a God? And that statement was recorded in the kjv.? Can you tell us where this can be found?
If you can't answer this question brocab, then you dnt know the truth about Christ!.
Expecially. The one spoken by Jesus himself.

Examine this questions brocab
1. If you say one body, one spirit, was Jesus a spirit before he came to earth?
2. When Jesus was on earth, was the spirit in him his, the father or the holy spirit.?
3. After Jesus left the earth, did he remain in the body or became a spirit?
4. What does Jesus mean by " the father is greater than I am"
5. Why does Jesus say he is going to the father when you are trying to say he is spirit.
6. You asked a question, the answer is yes, but ill like to ask you, what about the soul, why did you remove the soul when fomulating your question.

brocab , readers will note(again) that you have NOT quoted and explained ANY of the following scriptures :
1.rev 1:1,6
2. Rev 3, 2,13
3. John 17:1-3
4. Heb 1:1 -9
5. John 20:17
6. 1 cor 11:3
7 . 1 ti 2 :5,6
8.Acts 4:10
9. Acts 2:36
10. Acts 2:24
11. Acts 5:30
12.Acts 10:38,40,43
11. Phil 2:9,11
12. john 14:6
13. Acts 4 : 26,27, 30
14. 1 john 4:14
15. Heb 5:7
16. ps 28:18
17. 2 cor 1:3
18. Eph 1:3
19. 1 pet 1:3
20: 2Cor 8:6
21. 1 cor 15: 27,28
And a host of others
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Brocab , examine these scripture
Acts 5: 31.
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
John 3:16.
For God so loved the world,
that he gave his only begotten
Son, that whosoever believeth
in him should not perish, but
have everlasting life.
Jesus is Gods only begotten son, Jesus is not God almighty!
................................................

YOU HAVE AGAIN ADDED LIES TO YOUR VIEWS.
Lets see if Jesus was recognizable to those who knew him:
[b]King James Version
Joh 20:14And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS Jesus!
King James Version
Joh 20:15Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? SHE SUPPOSING HIM TO BE THE GARGENER, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.
I dnt think the disciples would have been able to recognize Jesus more than Mary, she probably would have known Jesus from birth, and the picture of Jesus in her memory would have been sharper than a 100 mega pixel camera!
but here you are , lying again that Jesus was recognizable to those who knew him!
dnt you think Mary should have been able to recognise Jesus instantly if he had been raise in the same body he died in?
* this is a question ill hope you can give us answer to .
Do you notice how Jesus appeared to his disciples who had locked the doors, his actions transcends the physical realm, he appeared to them gram!, in a locked rooM!. yet until he showed them death dealing wound marks, that was when they believed they where swing the Lord.

brocab pls tell us
1. DOES SOME ONE FACE CHANGE WHEN HE OR SHE IS RESSURRECTED WITH THE SAME BODY HE OR SHE DIED IN?
2.DOES SOME ONE GETS RESSURRECTED WITH THE WOUND'S OR INJURIES THAT KILLED HIM?
If your assumptions are true, I bet during the ressurection, we will know those whose throut where slit, cus there will still be a gapping hole in there necks. and those whose brains where blown out will have a hole in their head, cus they will be resurrected with that same body!
before, I digress, let's further examine ya lie.
King James Version
Joh 21:4But when the morning was now come, Jesus stood on the shore: BUT THE DISCIPLES KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS Jesus.
john 21: 12 New International Version
Jesus said to them, "Come and have breakfast." None of the disciples dared ask him, "Who are you?" They knew it was the Lord.
even after seing Jesus after his resurrecting, after being with Jesus for years, they still do not recognize Jesus at first glance. If Jesus had been resurrected with the same body he had died in, the disciples will have no doubt, they wunt need to even bother to ask the question that dared not to ask, "who are you".
Jesus had just showed them who he is, it is left for us to understand that they still had issues with Jesus physical features, despite knowing that the person inviting theM to a meal is actually Jesus.
I for one believe that only spirits do appear and dissappear at will!
spirits can manifest physical bodies of any liking for any particular purpose, the scriptures is awash with such occurrences, they can even use it to have sex sef!
sir do you ever read the scriptures at all.
It says flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God!
human body is flesh and blood!
how then do you espect the king of gods kingdom to have flesh and blood while his Co rulers do not!
how do you expect the physical to rule in the spiritual realm.
brocab, Jesus was a spirit before he came to earth, was he not?
how come , you refuse him his spirit nature when he had accomplished the work he was sent to do here on earth?

zodiakzax:
according to your founder Jesus is Almighty God and that is what we also blv in. Sorry u make no sense. I don't think you have read the finished mystery, so send me your email and I will send a copy to you.

And not only the atheist mock us, the Muslims,hindus, satanic followers, Mormons, Jehovah Witness (WTS)etc you can see the trend right? Same category, same father, same lost pple who shall fight against the Truth bcs it will set them free. He doesn't want that you know; your father, Satan, always moves around like a wild lion seeking whom to devour. Unfortunately u r part but all is not lost, turn to God and Jesus and you shall be saved.

zodiakzax:
. What did you do to my post? There are somethings there tht I didn't say, so where did you get them from or where trying to quote me and couldn't? Here is what I wrote so no gets confused


according to your founder Jesus is Almighty God and that is what we also blv in. Sorry u make no sense. I don't think you have read the finished mystery, so send me your email and I will send a copy to you.

And not only the atheist mock us, the Muslims,hindus, satanic followers, Mormons, Jehovah Witness (WTS)etc you can see the trend right? Same category, same father, same lost pple who shall fight against the Truth bcs it will set them free. He doesn't want that you know; your father, Satan, always moves around like a wild lion seeking whom to devour. Unfortunately u r part but all is not lost, turn to God and Jesus and you shall be saved.

goodnews201668:
You are sounding like a broken record, anyways that's what you guys always know how to do anytime the truth is been shown to you guys the next thing is to go and hack on irrelevances.

MrEmekaa:
"Who Was the Founder of Jehovah’s Witnesses?


The modern-day organization of Jehovah’s Witnesses began at the end of the 19th century. At that time, a small group of Bible students who lived near Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, in the United States, began a systematic analysis of the Bible. They compared the doctrines taught by the churches with what the Bible really teaches. They began publishing what they learned in books, newspapers, and the journal that is now called The Watchtower—Announcing Jehovah’s Kingdom.

Among that group of sincere Bible students was a man named Charles Taze Russell. While Russell took the lead in the Bible education work at that time and was the first editor of The Watchtower, he was not the founder of a new religion. The goal of Russell and the other Bible Students, as the group was then known, was to promote the teachings of Jesus Christ and to follow the practices of the first-century Christian congregation. Since Jesus is the Founder of Christianity, we view him as the founder of our organization.—Colossians 1:18-20."

MillionDollars:
Exodus 20:13 says 'Thou shalt not kill'
but if i get to the war-front and i kill people as i'm told to do in the army, is it a SIN as told in 'Exodus 20:13' ?

queentessense:
do you believe the bible is 100% correct...where you there when it was written...did apostle Paul actually exist....how are you sure that those who wrote the bible were under the influence of the holy spirit as claimed...what can you use as proof to substantiate the veracity of the Bible and your beliefs ...
all am trying to point out is you can't claim to be born again or serve God if you have no personal encounter with Him...I can explain the bible away and challenge you...I however can't challenge your personal experience. ..
same goes to the rosary, I believe in Mary's intercession because it has worked and never failed me...I have the personal experiences to back the power of the rosary. if it doesn't work why are my prayers answered. ...
as for statues. ..I don't bow to statues but don't condemn those who do...who am I to say it doesn't work for them....

zodiakzax:
sorry dude, you have no case. Of course watch tower will deny his teaching, do you know why? Bcs the Devil is a confused being himself. Russell was right in somethings and wrong in some, what we are saying is. he at least had the sanity to know that Jesus is God and the Holy Spirit is a person etc. But of course WTS will deny it bcs their father is of the devil. Hmmm my friend, I can only pray for you, don't you see you are being deceived? The JW's on the link we shared were very concerned about the finished mystery and some by the mercies and grace of God have turned to Jesus their God and Saviour. May God open your eyes

goodnews201668:
You didn't even bother to read his post, Russell rejected flase teachings. Unfortunately most of you have been feeding on many false teachings and will continue till you die even when you know your doctrines are false! It takes great humility to reject false beliefs and make adjustments. By the way tell us your own Church.

goodnews201668:
See who's talking, you that doesn't even know who Jesus is. Jesus is son, father, holy spirit and Almighty according to you guys, continue.
No wonder atheist even mock you people!

dolphinheart:
I do not trust your words brocab, you have been proven to lie mostimes, so you need to provide sources ok.

Secondly you believe Russell when it suits you and refuse to believe him when it does not suit you, I prefer to examine each of what he said, compare it with the scriptures, and then reach my own conclusions!
I've explained what rev 1:7,8 said , I used the scriptures to explain it. you could not falter my explanations , you could not offer any contrary explanations.

meanwhile , these issues has not been adressed by you :

PLS ! ,BROCAB, PROVIDE JUST ONE EXAMPLE WHERE YOU HAD ASKED ME TO EXPLAIN " WHO IT IS" AND ALL IVE DONE IS TO WRITE THE SCRIPTURE DOWN!
........................................................

you said this : "But first you need to think about this, "we are Christians" and Christians are not Jehovah witnesses, Christians don't think the same as you, nor do we believe in any of your doctrines."

I asked you :
you dnt believe any of our doctrines? ok , one of the doctrines of jehovahs witnesses doctrine is that followers of Jesus are not supposed to participate in warfare , do you accept this doctrine or you believe that Jesus followers are supposed to participate in warfare, by warfare, I mean war among countries, nationalities, and tribes, e.g the nigerian civil war!
Another teaching is that fornicators, people who deliberately and continuously commit fornication after being found out, are not allowed to be part of

brocab, there are still other isues at hand
1. WRITTEN WHAAAT? pls point to what I've written and post it, anytime I say you said something, I endeavor to direct you to wheee and when you said it, so pls direct me and others to where I said " God and the Word is a two headed god"?
bunch of liars!
2. Brought what back to my attention, I know you desperately want him to bring those words he accused me of saying out, it pains you that he could not, hence you have to find alternatives!
..............................

And yet no response from you on the issue you yourself raised?
also up till now , you have not answered these questions
(ill find that post and point it to you)
......................................

you have also refused to respond to these questions and scripture:
[b]Just tell us the name of the church you associate with, that you are a member of!. If possible you can include its official website, at least you surpport using technology in Gods work.
Tell us, do you know that Jesus Christ told someone that he has a God? And that statement was recorded in the kjv.? Can you tell us where this can be found?
If you can't answer this question brocab, then you dnt know the truth about Christ!.
Expecially. The one spoken by Jesus himself.

Examine this questions brocab
1. If you say one body, one spirit, was Jesus a spirit before he came to earth?
2. When Jesus was on earth, was the spirit in him his, the father or the holy spirit.?
3. After Jesus left the earth, did he remain in the body or became a spirit?
4. What does Jesus mean by " the father is greater than I am"
5. Why does Jesus say he is going to the father when you are trying to say he is spirit.
6. You asked a question, the answer is yes, but ill like to ask you, what about the soul, why did you remove the soul when fomulating your question.

brocab , readers will note(again) that you have NOT quoted and explained ANY of the following scriptures :
1.rev 1:1,6
2. Rev 3, 2,13
3. John 17:1-3
4. Heb 1:1 -9
5. John 20:17
6. 1 cor 11:3
7 . 1 ti 2 :5,6
8.Acts 4:10
9. Acts 2:36
10. Acts 2:24
11. Acts 5:30
12.Acts 10:38,40,43
11. Phil 2:9,11
12. john 14:6
13. Acts 4 : 26,27, 30
14. 1 john 4:14
15. Heb 5:7
16. ps 28:18
17. 2 cor 1:3
18. Eph 1:3
19. 1 pet 1:3
20: 2Cor 8:6
21. 1 cor 15: 27,28
And a host of others
.............................................

Brocab , examine these scripture
Acts 5: 31.
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
John 3:16.
For God so loved the world,
that he gave his only begotten
Son, that whosoever believeth
in him should not perish, but
have everlasting life.
Jesus is Gods only begotten son, Jesus is not God almighty!
................................................

YOU HAVE AGAIN ADDED LIES TO YOUR VIEWS.
Lets see if Jesus was recognizable to those who knew him:
[b]King James Version
Joh 20:14And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS Jesus!
King James Version
Joh 20:15Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? SHE SUPPOSING HIM TO BE THE GARGENER, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.
I dnt think the disciples would have been able to recognize Jesus more than Mary, she probably would have known Jesus from birth, and the picture of Jesus in her memory would have been sharper than a 100 mega pixel camera!
but here you are , lying again that Jesus was recognizable to those who knew him!
dnt you think Mary should have been able to recognise Jesus instantly if he had been raise in the same body he died in?
* this is a question ill hope you can give us answer to .
Do you notice how Jesus appeared to his disciples who had locked the doors, his actions transcends the physical realm, he appeared to them gram!, in a locked rooM!. yet until he showed them death dealing wound marks, that was when they believed they where swing the Lord.
brocab pls tell us
1. DOES SOME ONE FACE CHANGE WHEN HE OR SHE IS RESSURRECTED WITH THE SAME BODY HE OR SHE DIED IN?
2.DOES SOME ONE GETS RESSURRECTED WITH THE WOUND'S OR INJURIES THAT KILLED HIM?
If your assumptions are true, I bet during the ressurection, we will know those whose throut where slit, cus there will still be a gapping hole in there necks. and those whose brains where blown out will have a hole in their head, cus they will be resurrected with that same body!
before, I digress, let's further examine ya lie.
King James Version
Joh 21:4But when the morning was now come, Jesus stood on the shore: BUT THE DISCIPLES KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS Jesus.
john 21: 12 New International Version
Jesus said to them, "Come and have breakfast." None of the disciples dared ask him, "Who are you?" They knew it was the Lord.
even after seing Jesus after his resurrecting, after being with Jesus for years, they still do not recognize Jesus at first glance. If Jesus had been resurrected with the same body he had died in, the disciples will have no doubt, they wunt need to even bother to ask the question that dared not to ask, "who are you".
Jesus had just showed them who he is, it is left for us to understand that they still had issues with Jesus physical features, despite knowing that the person inviting theM to a meal is actually Jesus.
I for one believe that only spirits do appear and dissappear at will!
spirits can manifest physical bodies of any liking for any particular purpose, the scriptures is awash with such occurrences, they can even use it to have sex sef!
sir do you ever read the scriptures at all.
It says flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God!
human body is flesh and blood!
how then do you espect the king of gods kingdom to have flesh and blood while his Co rulers do not!
how do you expect the physical to rule in the spiritual realm.
brocab, Jesus was a spirit before he came to earth, was he not?
how come , you refuse him his spirit nature when he had accomplished the work he was sent to do here on earth?

johnw74:
Some snippets are from :http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Basics/god_is_a_trinity.htm
some are mine.


(1st John 5:7 is in the Original Greek. If there were no other verse of the King James Bible testifying of the Godhead, 1st John 5:7 would be enough for any Bible-believer to know that God exists in three Persons — the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit…

“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and THESE THREE ARE ONE.” —1st John 5:7

Now if you have a modern corrupt bible, then you won’t find 1st John 5:7 correctly rendered. I went out and bought a literal translation of the Bible in Greek and Hebrew, based on the “Textus Receptus” (or Received Text). It contains 1st John 5:7 just as the King James Bible faithfully renders. The translators of the King James Bible rejected certain manuscripts as heretical. The manuscripts which they did accept became know as the “Received Text.”)



The Father is called God.
Romans 15:6, “That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.”




Jesus is called God.
“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: GOD WAS MANIFEST IN THE FLESH, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.” 1st Timothy 3:16

Again false jw say that the word "God" shouldn't be in that verse,
they are wrong and there are plenty more verses showing that jesus is God,
here is another:
Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Hebrews 1:8, “But unto the Son he [God] saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.”


Colossians 2:9, “For in him [Jesus] dwelleth ALL the fulness of the Godhead bodily.”




The Holy Ghost is called God.
Acts 5:3-4, “But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? ...thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.”




The Holy Ghost is a person:
Act 13:2 As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them.





John 15:26, “But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me.”

Joh 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Joh 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Joh_14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.






"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost." —Matthew 28:19,20

"And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him [Jesus], and a voice came from heaven [God the Father], which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased." —Luke 3:22

zodiakzax:
okay bro enjoy it to the Fullest.

zodiakzax:
All glory to the Lord bro, for givng us this weapon. I have the pdf version of the book, you can give me your email so I send it you. You would love it. And you know, Russell admits that the Holy Spirit is the personality of both the Father and Christ and not an active force, and also that Christ died on a cross not a stake and many more.

MuttleyLaff:
Haba Chief, kilode, it hasnt come to ''If-you-don't-like-the-support-It's-ok'' now
There was my mention in that remark, and though I responded to it, I wasn't actually sure who it was addressed to, that is why out of curiousty and without animosity I asked who it was addressed to

Welcome aboard. The more the merrier against all these tithe and offering misconceptions that Satan particularly wants people to believe in

MuttleyLaff:
It doesnt matter now if we are Israelites or we are Gentiles

Is this last question addressed to me too?
It is very clear that in the Bible, the only group of people explicitly told to pay tithes are the Israelites
And there is a very good & valid reason for God staking a claim
and bolding asserting a right to the tenth of all agricultural produce from the Israelites

Nowhere!.
That there, smack on, is the point
It doesnt anywhere say believers should give offerings, just as it neither anywhere says believers should should pay tithe

As is seen in 2 Corinthians 8:12 & 2 Corinthians 9:7, believers have moved on past tithe and offering, to better eternal principles

2 Corinthians 8:12 For if the willingness is there, the gift is acceptable according to what one has, not according to what one does not have
2 Corinthians 9:7 Each of you should give whatever you have decided. You shouldn't be sorry that you gave or feel forced to give, since God loves a cheerful giver

Joagbaje:
where did it say christians should give offerings. ?

Jessicha:
OMG! simple question i asked : who did the bible called THE GOD OF our lord Jesus Christ ? Eph 1:17

Jessicha:
.

Jessicha:
and u think Jehovahs Witnesses follow a man ? sorry o uv miss road if thats what u think

Joagbaje:
Tithe is given from all income . They gave tithe in cash and kind.

Luke 18:12
I fast twice a week, and I give you a tenth of my entire income.

Secondly God addressed them mostly as a nation of farmers. to bring tithes a d offerings from their produce . however money was used as tithe and offerings in the bible. God only accepted what the priest could use in their service in the terbernacle. But things that can't be used were replaced with money. so there was money option. for example God didn't accept unclean animals such as dogs carmel, horses cat etc. he only accepted animals such as goat ,sheep ram,cow. but for the unclean animals money was given.

Lev 27:27
And if it be of an unclean beast, then he shall redeem it according to thine estimation, and shall add a fifth part of it thereto: or if it be not redeemed, then it shall be sold according to thy estimation.



pastors are not being enriched by tithes. except few general overseers most pastors have their jobs and businesses as professionals. pasteurising is only an act of service to God and voluntary sacrifice. A pastor is not a tithe collector but rather a tither. secondly the money of the church is not pastors money just as the bank money doesn't belong to the bank manager.

zodiakzax:
yep, that was what their founder believed in and taught. Even though some of Russell's believe was totally wrong, he at least had the sanity to know that Jesus is God. Guess the newer generation knows better lol... confused pple. They won't address it. They are scared you know.

zodiakzax:
hahahha you guys will love this. If they want, they can check it out but it will only hurt them. Any way brethren enjoy this.


https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/206938/finished-mystery-1917-book-that-jesus-approved

zodiakzax:
hahahha you guys will love this. If they want, they can check it out but it will only hurt them. Any way brethren enjoy this.


https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/206938/finished-mystery-1917-book-that-jesus-approved

dolphinheart:
so in your world , the size of the post determines the intention of the writer, well you are right in a way, my post is getting larger cus you refused to attend to them, expecially the scriptures about Jesus you are being asked to quote and explain.


keep on giving excuses, you can't answer them sir, cus you know that answering them will expose your doctrines as lies!. The world can also see that apart from the questions and issues raised, there are also scriptures he refused to quote and explain!


but some cases are worse, refusing to see, qoute and explain even when they know it!



AGAIN I TELL YOU BROCAB, GOD WILL JUDGE BETWEEN ME AND YOU ON THIS ISSUE OF REV 1: 78. IVE EXPLAIN ED THOSE VERSES, INCLUDING REV 1:1,4-6, REV 3:2,12 AND HEB 1:9.
YOU REFUSED TO RESPOND TO THOSE POSTS, LATER YOU CLAIM ED YOU DID NOT SEE THEM, THAT I SHOULD SHOW THEM TO YOU AGAIN. I POINTED THE PAGE AND WHEN IT WAS POSTED TO YOU, YOU SAID THAT I SHOULD POST IT AGAIN, I DID SO AGAIN, A SECOND TIME! POINTING TO THE FATHER THAT I HAD, LIKE THE FIRST TIMES, MENTIONED YOU THERE SO THAT YOU WUNT CLAIM THAT YOU DID NOT SEE IT !

THE WORLD CAN NOW SEE WHO IS DELIBERATELY BLIND!

As to the bolded, I've asked you twice to show the scripture where you got those words from, so that i can quote it and explain it ,but you refused to do so!


PLS ! ,BROCAB, PROVIDE JUST ONE EXAMPLE WHERE YOU HAD ASKED ME TO EXPLAIN " WHO IT IS" AND ALL IVE DONE IS TO WRITE THE SCRIPTURE DOWN!


brocab, I'm not the one who had been talking about himself throughout this thread, as for the arch angel issue, we will get to that, but for now I see it as another desperate attempt to change the topic under discussion, cus there are still issues at hand for you to respond to, let's clear them first!

issues at hand:
you said this : "But first you need to think about this, "we are Christians" and Christians are not Jehovah witnesses, Christians don't think the same as you, nor do we believe in any of your doctrines."

I asked you :
you dnt believe any of our doctrines? ok , one of the doctrines of jehovahs witnesses doctrine is that followers of Jesus are not supposed to participate in warfare , do you accept this doctrine or you believe that Jesus followers are supposed to participate in warfare, by warfare, I mean war among countries, nationalities, and tribes, e.g the nigerian civil war!
Another teaching is that fornicators, people who deliberately and continuously commit fornication after being found out, are not allowed to be part of

brocab, there are still other isues at hand
1. WRITTEN WHAAAT? pls point to what I've written and post it, anytime I say you said something, I endeavor to direct you to wheee and when you said it, so pls direct me and others to where I said " God and the Word is a two headed god"?
bunch of liars!

2. Brought what back to my attention, I know you desperately want him to bring those words he accused me of saying out, it pains you that he could not, hence you have to find alternatives!
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And yet no response from you on the issue you yourself raised?
also up till now , you have not answered these questions
(ill find that post and point it to you)
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you have also refused to respond to these questions and scripture:
[b]Just tell us the name of the church you associate with, that you are a member of!. If possible you can include its official website, at least you surpport using technology in Gods work.

Tell us, do you know that Jesus Christ told someone that he has a God? And that statement was recorded in the kjv.? Can you tell us where this can be found?
If you can't answer this question brocab, then you dnt know the truth about Christ!.
Expecially. The one spoken by Jesus himself.

Examine this questions brocab
1. If you say one body, one spirit, was Jesus a spirit before he came to earth?
2. When Jesus was on earth, was the spirit in him his, the father or the holy spirit.?
3. After Jesus left the earth, did he remain in the body or became a spirit?
4. What does Jesus mean by " the father is greater than I am"
5. Why does Jesus say he is going to the father when you are trying to say he is spirit.
6. You asked a question, the answer is yes, but ill like to ask you, what about the soul, why did you remove the soul when fomulating your question.
brocab , readers will note(again) that you have NOT quoted and explained ANY of the following scriptures :
1.rev 1:1,6
2. Rev 3, 2,13
3. John 17:1-3
4. Heb 1:1 -9
5. John 20:17
6. 1 cor 11:3
7 . 1 ti 2 :5,6
8.Acts 4:10
9. Acts 2:36
10. Acts 2:24
11. Acts 5:30
12.Acts 10:38,40,43
11. Phil 2:9,11
12. john 14:6
13. Acts 4 : 26,27, 30
14. 1 john 4:14
15. Heb 5:7
16. ps 28:18
17. 2 cor 1:3
18. Eph 1:3
19. 1 pet 1:3
20: 2Cor 8:6
21. 1 cor 15: 27,28
And a host of others
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Brocab , examine these scripture
Acts 5: 31.
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

John 3:16.
For God so loved the world,
that he gave his only begotten
Son, that whosoever believeth
in him should not perish, but
have everlasting life.
Jesus is Gods only begotten son, Jesus is not God almighty!
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YOU HAVE AGAIN ADDED LIES TO YOUR VIEWS.
Lets see if Jesus was recognizable to those who knew him:
[b]King James Version
Joh 20:14And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS Jesus!
King James Version
Joh 20:15Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? SHE SUPPOSING HIM TO BE THE GARGENER, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.
I dnt think the disciples would have been able to recognize Jesus more than Mary, she probably would have known Jesus from birth, and the picture of Jesus in her memory would have been sharper than a 100 mega pixel camera!
but here you are , lying again that Jesus was recognizable to those who knew him!
dnt you think Mary should have been able to recognise Jesus instantly if he had been raise in the same body he died in?
* this is a question ill hope you can give us answer to .
Do you notice how Jesus appeared to his disciples who had locked the doors, his actions transcends the physical realm, he appeared to them gram!, in a locked rooM!. yet until he showed them death dealing wound marks, that was when they believed they where swing the Lord.
brocab pls tell us
1. DOES SOME ONE FACE CHANGE WHEN HE OR SHE IS RESSURRECTED WITH THE SAME BODY HE OR SHE DIED IN?
2.DOES SOME ONE GETS RESSURRECTED WITH THE WOUND'S OR INJURIES THAT KILLED HIM?
If your assumptions are true, I bet during the ressurection, we will know those whose throut where slit, cus there will still be a gapping hole in there necks. and those whose brains where blown out will have a hole in their head, cus they will be resurrected with that same body!
before, I digress, let's further examine ya lie.
King James Version
Joh 21:4But when the morning was now come, Jesus stood on the shore: BUT THE DISCIPLES KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS Jesus.
john 21: 12 New International Version
Jesus said to them, "Come and have breakfast." None of the disciples dared ask him, "Who are you?" They knew it was the Lord.
even after seing Jesus after his resurrecting, after being with Jesus for years, they still do not recognize Jesus at first glance. If Jesus had been resurrected with the same body he had died in, the disciples will have no doubt, they wunt need to even bother to ask the question that dared not to ask, "who are you".
Jesus had just showed them who he is, it is left for us to understand that they still had issues with Jesus physical features, despite knowing that the person inviting theM to a meal is actually Jesus.
I for one believe that only spirits do appear and dissappear at will!
spirits can manifest physical bodies of any liking for any particular purpose, the scriptures is awash with such occurrences, they can even use it to have sex sef!
sir do you ever read the scriptures at all.
It says flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God!
human body is flesh and blood!
how then do you espect the king of gods kingdom to have flesh and blood while his Co rulers do not!
how do you expect the physical to rule in the spiritual realm.
brocab, Jesus was a spirit before he came to earth, was he not?
how come , you refuse him his spirit nature when he had accomplished the work he was sent to do here on earth?

johnw74:
There are many forms of lying,
one of false jw jozzy's is to misquote what others say,
adding to and taking away from a quote is lying,
but he wouldn't be aware of that, as lying comes naturally to false jw

Joh_1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.


Score update

false jw lies = it must be hundreds by now, anyone counting

johnw74 lies = 0

goodnews201668:
If the father is higher does it not tell you something?
Won't he be under him or be a subordinate?
Or will you deny the fact that he worshipped God too?
Did he worship himself, since he and his father are one?

Acidosis:
Crap!

God did not say you should give your TITHE (God's 1/10th demand) to the poor...

If you want to give to the poor, c'mon, you can even give your FULL salary after paying the tithe to the church..
You can get a big loan and give to the poor, NO ONE will stop you..

And only a f00l will practise that which you suggested...
You don't need to show the whole congregation what you want to give.... Invite them to your house, pack your belongings and money and properties for them
BUT
Your tithe is for God! Try and change his order by trying to use your "professor wisdom" and you're doomed...
If God wanted us to do that, he'd have given us the commandment!

These things have been written before our greatgrandfathers were born and you can not change it with your JET age 21st century terrestial sense...