I see you are still adding to gain more of your own lies.
dolphinheart: And yet no response from you on the issue you yourself raised? also up till now , you have not answered these questions, nor
you have also refused to respond to these questions and scripture:
[b]Just tell us the name of the church you associate with, that you are a member of!. If possible you can include its official website, at least you surpport using technology in Gods work.
Tell us, do you know that Jesus Christ told someone that he has a God? And that statement was recorded in the kjv.? Can you tell us where this can be found? If you can't answer this question brocab, then you dnt know the truth about Christ!. Expecially. The one spoken by Jesus himself.
Examine this questions brocab 1. If you say one body, one spirit, was Jesus a spirit before he came to earth? 2. When Jesus was on earth, was the spirit in him his, the father or the holy spirit.? 3. After Jesus left the earth, did he remain in the body or became a spirit? 4. What does Jesus mean by " the father is greater than I am" 5. Why does Jesus say he is going to the father when you are trying to say he is spirit. 6. You asked a question, the answer is yes, but ill like to ask you, what about the soul, why did you remove the soul when fomulating your question.
You cannot answer if Jesus is the same person as the father.
brocab , readers will note(again) that you have NOT quoted and explained ANY of the following scriptures :
1.rev 1:1,6 2. Rev 3, 2,13 3. John 17:1-3 4. Heb 1:1 -9 5. John 20:17 6. 1 cor 11:3 7 . 1 ti 2 :5,6 8.Acts 4:10 9. Acts 2:36 10. Acts 2:24 11. Acts 5:30 12.Acts 10:38,40,43 11. Phil 2:9,11 12. john 14:6 13. Acts 4 : 26,27, 30 14. 1 john 4:14 15. Heb 5:7 16. ps 28:18
And a host of others
Brocab , examine these scripture Acts 5: 31. Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins. John 3:16. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Jesus is Gods only begotten son, Jesus is not God almighty![/b]
YOU HAVE AGAIN ADDED LIES TO YOUR VIEWS. Lets see if jesus was recognizable to those who knew him:
King James Version Joh 20:14And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS JESUS!
King James Version Joh 20:15Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? SHE SUPPOSING HIM TO BE THE GARGENER, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.
I dnt think the disciples would have been able to recognize Jesus more than Mary, she probably would have known jesus from birth, and the picture of jesus in her memory would have been sharper than a 100 mega pixel camera!
but here you are , lying again that Jesus was recognizable to those who knew him! dnt you think Mary should have been able to recognise jesus instantly if he had been raise in the same body he died in? * this is a question ill hope you can give us answer to .
Do you notice how jesus appeared to his disciples who had locked the doors, his actions transcends the physical realm, he appeared to them gram!, in a locked rooM!. yet until he showed them death dealing wound marks, that was when they believed they where swing the Lord.
brocab pls tell us 1. DOES SOME ONE FACE CHANGE WHEN HE OR SHE IS RESSURRECTED WITH THE SAME BODY HE OR SHE DIED IN?
2.DOES SOME ONE GETS RESSURRECTED WITH THE WOUND'S OR INJURIES THAT KILLED HIM? If your assumptions are true, I bet during the ressurection, we will know those whose throut where slit, cus there will still be a gapping hole in there necks. and those whose brains where blown out will have a hole in their head, cus they will be resurrected with that same body!
before, I digress, let's further examine ya lie. King James Version Joh 21:4But when the morning was now come, Jesus stood on the shore: BUT THE DISCIPLES KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS JESUS.
john 21: 12 New International Version Jesus said to them, "Come and have breakfast." None of the disciples dared ask him, "Who are you?" They knew it was the Lord. even after seing jesus after his resurrecting, after being with jesus for years, they still do not recognize Jesus at first glance. If jesus had been resurrected with the same body he had died in, the disciples will have no doubt, they wunt need to even bother to ask the question that dared not to ask, "who are you". Jesus had just showed them who he is, it is left for us to understand that they still had issues with jesus physical features, despite knowing that the person inviting theM to a meal is actually jesus.
why is this ? I for one believe that only spirits do appear and dissappear at will!
spirits can manifest physical bodies of any liking for any particular purpose, the scriptures is awash with such occurrences, they can even use it to have sex sef!
sir do you ever read the scriptures at all. It says flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God! human body is flesh and blood! how then do you espect the king of gods kingdom to have flesh and blood while his Co rulers do not! how do you expect the physical to rule in the spiritual realm.
brocab, Jesus was a spirit before he came to earth, was he not? how come , you refuse him his spirit nature when he had accomplished the work he was sent to do here on earth?
Don't argue with me, read the scriptures, and if you still refuse to believe, then question yourself if you are truly Christian. The word of God does not lie.
Jessicha: then, who is the God OF our Lord Jesus Christ ? Eph 1:17
Since you have all the answers I am sure you could answer then all? I hang with the devil and we both fellowship at the Jehovah witnesses Church on the corner of evil street and death comes your way street, that crosses over into dolphinheart street, which leads towards hell street. In between we have watchtower park street, leading onto the Freemasons fire station street.
dolphinheart: And yet no response from you on the issue you yourself raised? also up till now , you have not answered these questions, nor
you have also refused to respond to these questions and scripture:
[b]Just tell us the name of the church you associate with, that you are a member of!. If possible you can include its official website, at least you surpport using technology in Gods work.
Tell us, do you know that Jesus Christ told someone that he has a God? And that statement was recorded in the kjv.? Can you tell us where this can be found? If you can't answer this question brocab, then you dnt know the truth about Christ!. Expecially. The one spoken by Jesus himself.
Examine this questions brocab 1. If you say one body, one spirit, was Jesus a spirit before he came to earth? 2. When Jesus was on earth, was the spirit in him his, the father or the holy spirit.? 3. After Jesus left the earth, did he remain in the body or became a spirit? 4. What does Jesus mean by " the father is greater than I am" 5. Why does Jesus say he is going to the father when you are trying to say he is spirit. 6. You asked a question, the answer is yes, but ill like to ask you, what about the soul, why did you remove the soul when fomulating your question.
You cannot answer if Jesus is the same person as the father.
brocab , readers will note(again) that you have NOT quoted and explained ANY of the following scriptures :
1.rev 1:1,6 2. Rev 3, 2,13 3. John 17:1-3 4. Heb 1:1 -9 5. John 20:17 6. 1 cor 11:3 7 . 1 ti 2 :5,6 8.Acts 4:10 9. Acts 2:36 10. Acts 2:24 11. Acts 5:30 12.Acts 10:38,40,43 11. Phil 2:9,11 12. john 14:6 13. Acts 4 : 26,27, 30 14. 1 john 4:14 15. Heb 5:7 16. ps 28:18
And a host of others
Brocab , examine these scripture Acts 5: 31. Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins. John 3:16. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Jesus is Gods only begotten son, Jesus is not God almighty![/b]
YOU HAVE AGAIN ADDED LIES TO YOUR VIEWS. Lets see if jesus was recognizable to those who knew him:
King James Version Joh 20:14And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS JESUS!
King James Version Joh 20:15Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? SHE SUPPOSING HIM TO BE THE GARGENER, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.
I dnt think the disciples would have been able to recognize Jesus more than Mary, she probably would have known jesus from birth, and the picture of jesus in her memory would have been sharper than a 100 mega pixel camera!
but here you are , lying again that Jesus was recognizable to those who knew him! dnt you think Mary should have been able to recognise jesus instantly if he had been raise in the same body he died in? * this is a question ill hope you can give us answer to .
Do you notice how jesus appeared to his disciples who had locked the doors, his actions transcends the physical realm, he appeared to them gram!, in a locked rooM!. yet until he showed them death dealing wound marks, that was when they believed they where swing the Lord.
brocab pls tell us 1. DOES SOME ONE FACE CHANGE WHEN HE OR SHE IS RESSURRECTED WITH THE SAME BODY HE OR SHE DIED IN?
2.DOES SOME ONE GETS RESSURRECTED WITH THE WOUND'S OR INJURIES THAT KILLED HIM? If your assumptions are true, I bet during the ressurection, we will know those whose throut where slit, cus there will still be a gapping hole in there necks. and those whose brains where blown out will have a hole in their head, cus they will be resurrected with that same body!
before, I digress, let's further examine ya lie. King James Version Joh 21:4But when the morning was now come, Jesus stood on the shore: BUT THE DISCIPLES KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS JESUS.
john 21: 12 New International Version Jesus said to them, "Come and have breakfast." None of the disciples dared ask him, "Who are you?" They knew it was the Lord. even after seing jesus after his resurrecting, after being with jesus for years, they still do not recognize Jesus at first glance. If jesus had been resurrected with the same body he had died in, the disciples will have no doubt, they wunt need to even bother to ask the question that dared not to ask, "who are you". Jesus had just showed them who he is, it is left for us to understand that they still had issues with jesus physical features, despite knowing that the person inviting theM to a meal is actually jesus.
why is this ? I for one believe that only spirits do appear and dissappear at will!
spirits can manifest physical bodies of any liking for any particular purpose, the scriptures is awash with such occurrences, they can even use it to have sex sef!
sir do you ever read the scriptures at all. It says flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God! human body is flesh and blood! how then do you espect the king of gods kingdom to have flesh and blood while his Co rulers do not! how do you expect the physical to rule in the spiritual realm.
brocab, Jesus was a spirit before he came to earth, was he not? how come , you refuse him his spirit nature when he had accomplished the work he was sent to do here on earth?
KJV {Isiah 14:12} How you have falling from heaven O lucifer son of the morning, how you are cut down to the ground, you who weaken the nations. {Luke 10:18} Jesus said: I saw Satan fall like lighting from heaven. {Ezekiel 28:13-14} You were in Eden, the garden of God, Every precious stone was your covering, the sardius, topus, diamond, Beryl, onyx and jasper, Sapphire, turquoise, and Emerald with Gold. The workmanship of your timbrels and pipes was prepared for on the day you were created, till iniquity was found in thee. Lucifer was created by God like all the other angels. {Ephesians 3:9} And to make all see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the ages has been hidden in God, who created all things through Jesus Christ. Even after reading the scriptures, Do you still believe Lucifer doesn't exist? The bible did say Jesus is the first born of all creation, but which of the angels did God ever say, you are My Son, and which of the angels did God ever say, you sit here on My right side. God made angels spirits.
Sarang: First of all,Satan was not the first Angel created. Jesus was. The bible called him the firstborn of all creations. Col 1:15/16.
Satan wanted everything for himself. He wanted glory and human service to be rendered to him. But Jesus on the other hand wants nothing except to please God. Satan didnt wanna sit with God in heaven,he wanna be God himself but he can't cos its not rightfully his. Jesus was given a pisition that is above every other in the universe except Jehovah God's himself because he was humble and obedient enough to die for others.
After this Authority was given to him,(Micheal) Jesus himself was the one who casted Satan out because of course he is stronger than Satan. Unlike Satan,Micheal is qualified enough to rule God's people cos he is holy.
Now I am not expecting you to read or understand this page-but their are to types of Christians in this world No 1-Christians believe, No 2-Christians that don't believe. The word of God is the truth, no man will deny the truth. Jesus is the most important person who has ever lived since He is our saviour. God in human flesh. He is not half God and half man. He is fully divine and fully man, In other words Jesus has two distinct natures: divine and human. Jesus is the word who was God, and was with God, and was made flesh {John 1:1,14} This means in a single person of Jesus He has both the human and divine nature, God and man. The divine nature was not changed when the word became flesh {John 1:1, 14} Instead the word was joined with humanity {Colossians 2:9} Jesus' divine nature was not altered. Also, Jesus is not merely a man, who had God within Him, nor is He a man who "manifested the God principle. "He is God in flesh. Second person of the trinity. "The Son is the radiance of God's glory, and the exact representation of His being, sustaining all things by His powerful word {Hebrews 1:3} Jesus's two natures are not mixed together. Look up the word {Eutychianism} nor are they combined into a new God-man nature. look up {Monophysitism} They are separated yet act as a unit in the One person of Jesus. this is called the {Hypostatic Union}
Sarang: You quoted right. Thats exactly what the bible said about Jesus on Col 1.
But do you know what a Creation is? It is something that is Created.
We all are creations and so is Jesus.
Do you know what the bible called Jehovah? The ancient of Days. The one who has been till infinite
Ps 90:2 says concerning Jehovah God Even from time indefinite to time indefinite you are God
I hope you notice the differences. Jesus was created by Jehovah and there is no way a Creation is greater than the creator,it doesn't happen.
No 11: The youth would rather text each other by Mobil phones' while the preacher is preaching. No 12:And whose to take after the image of the breast, Barbie dolls wearing make up, and less clothing while sitting in Church, and what does the Church do, Nothing.
Don't you just love the word of God? And how the truth will set you free. But you may not even scroll down to even read this page, the first line of course has got your attention, and then your evil thoughts will have it over you, knowing these words came from the word of God Himself, and sadly I brocab had decided to pass on this message to you. The bible is clear that Jesus 's body was resurrected. The tomb was empty. He was recognizable to those who knew Him, Jesus showed Himself to all of His disciples after His resurrection, and more than 500 people were eye witnesses to His earthly post-resurrection presence {1 Corinthians 15:4-6} In {Luke 24:16} on the road to Emmaus, two of Jesus's disciples "were kept from recognizing {Jesus} However later their eye's were opened and they recognized Him. {V 31} It's not that Jesus was unrecognisable, it's that for a time the disciples were supernaturally retained from recognizing Him. later in the same chapter of {Luke} Jesus makes it plain to His disciples that He does have a physical body, He is not a disembodied spirit: See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself, Touch Me and see. For a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have {Luke 24:39} After spending 40 day's with His disciples, Jesus ascended Bodily into heaven {Acts 1:9} Jesus is still human, and He has a human body in heaven right now. His body is different, However, earthly human flesh is perishable, but heavenly bodies are imperishable {1 Corinthians 15:50} Jesus has a physical body, with a difference. His resurrection body is designed with eternity in view. {1 Corinthians 15:39-49} Describes what the body of the believer will be like in heaven. Our heavenly bodies will differ from our earthly ones in type of flesh, in splendour, in power, and in longevity. The apostle Paul also states, that the believers body will be an image of Christ's body {V 49} Paul discusses this subject again in {2 Corinthians } where he compares earthly bodies to tents and heavenly bodies to heavenly dwellings. {2 Corinthians 5:1-2} Paul says that once the earthly tent comes off, Christians will not be left naked-that is without a body to live in {2 Corinthians 5:3} When the new body is "put on" we will go from mortality to immortality {2 Corinthians 5:4} So we will know that Christians will have a heavenly body, like Jesus "glorious body". {Philippians 3:21} At His incarnation Jesus took on human flesh, and at His resurrection His body was glorified-although He retained Himself the scars {John 20:27} He will forever be the God-man, sacrificed for us. Christ the creator of the universe, will forever stoop to our level, and He will be known to us in heaven in a tangible form that we can see, hear and touch {Revelation 21:3-4, 22:4}
Jessicha: as in ehn, there was this post of Jozzy4 he couldnt reply , he said Jesus is still a man in heaven . and joz asked : did he mean Jesus still have intestines, lung, pancreas , blood, liver, tongue , e.t c just imagine! that means Jesus still sleeps, have weaknesses, still get tired , have an anus and still visit the toilet .
The word said it like this>{John 1:1} In the beginning {Before all time} was the word {Christ} And the word was with God, and the word was God Himself. {Isaiah 45:5} I Am the LORD' and their is none else, their is no God beside Me. So I am not expecting any of you JW's believe in any of these scriptures, But at least before you judge solite3, read what the scriptures had said for yourself "Who is the Lord God? {John 6:58} Jesus also said "before Abraham was born I Am. {Luke 4:8} Jesus answered and said unto him get behind Me Satan, for it is written, you shall worship the Lord your God and Him only you shall serve. Lets back this scripture up with>{Deuteronomy 13:6} You shall walk after the Lord your God and keep His commandments AND OBEY HIS VOICE and you shall serve HIM and hold fast to Him. God is a jealous God.. In the beginning the scriptures made It clear that Jesus has the same authority as God, both worshipped by men, the scriptures tells us only One God' is worshipped and served, you shall worship the Lord your God and in HIM ONLY YOU SHALL SERVE. But the JW's believe Jesus is a God, and not the God. So which One in the scriptures does it say who's worshipped? {Matthew 2:2} Where is He who is the King of the Jews? For we have seen His star in the east and come to worship Him. The same word used for worshipping God is the same word for Jesus to be worshipped. So if Jesus is not being worshipped neither is the Father. God is Spirit. {Matthew 6:24} No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other. {Revelation 4:10-11} The 24 elders, fell down before Him who sits on the throne, and worshipped Him who lives for ever and ever, saying you are worthy "O Lord" to receive glory honour and power, for you created all things, and by your will, they exist and were created. {Colossians 1:15-17} Where all things were created through Him, and for Him and consist in Him. Jesus lives forever? He is the One who is called the first and the last. {Revelation 1:18} I AM HE WHO LIVES, AND WAS DEAD, AND BEHOLD I AM ALIVE FOR EVER MORE. AMEN. Note: Jesus said get behind Me Satan, you shall worship the lord your God and HIM ONLY YOU SHALL SERVE. How many God's did Jesus say If Jesus is not God, then He would not except worship, nor would the bible allow this to be insinuated. If He is not God, neither can He be our savour. {Psalm 68:20} Our God is a God who saves. That He is' our God is the God of salvation.
Jessicha: nice one bro, Jesus is not the God of isreal, Jehovah is.
Jesus have a God , a bitter truth for solite3 to admit.
the funniest part was when he said the Father and the Son are Jehovah. yet Jehovah said " myself" , how can two persons be addressed as MYSELF ? solite3 u really disgraced ur English teacher
Yes Jesus is the highest of all the universe He is the image of the invisible God, the first born over all creation, For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers, All things were created through Him and for Him {Jesus} And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. Jesus said to the Jehovah witnesses{John 10:30} I and the Father are one. {BUT THE JW'S DIDN'T BELIEVE IT} {John 8:58} Jesus said "Before Abraham was born I Am. Jesus holds that same name as the Most high God "I Am. {BUT THE JW'S DIDN'T BELIEVE IT} {Isaiah 9:6} For us a child is born unto us, and a son is given, and the government shall be upon His shoulder, and His name shall be called wonderful Counsellor, Mighty God, Ever lasting Father, Prince of peace.{BUT THE JW'S DIDN'T BELIEVE IT} So barristter07 why fight your argument, Jesus is equal to God. If God is called the Almighty, Jesus is called the Almighty, God said I Am, Jesus said I Am. {John 14:6} Jesus said to Jehovah witnesses, I Am the way the truth and the life, no-one comes to the Father except through Me. Jesus then said to the Jehovah witnesses If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also, and from now on, you know Him because you have seen Him. The Jehovah witnesses said show as the Father, Jesus said to the JW's have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Jesus said, He who has seen Me has seen the Father, so how can the JW's say show us the Father? {BECAUSE THE JW'S DIDN'T BELIEVE IT}
I didnt ask you who God use to create the universe . if u dont understand anything you ask, the ruler of all or Ruler of the universe describes the Highest Authority in the universe
My question is : Is Jesus the Ruler of All ? which means is Jesus the Highest Authority in the universe ? 1 Cor 15:28
Finely we have a JW who had finely agreed who the Almighty is, its Jesus. And Jesus is the ruler of all the universe {creation}>{Colossians 1:15-17} The Son is the image of the invisible God, the first born over all creation. {V 16} For in Him all things were created, things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, weather thrones or dominions, or rulers or authorities, all things were created through Him and for Him, {V 17} He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.
brocab who ask you all this , BUSTED !, if you get mind ... answer me and then we can proceed.
[size=27] @ Rev 1:8 , the person speaking is described as the Almighty , greek /pantokrator/ [/size]
Strong's Concordance pantokratór: almighty Original Word: παντοκράτωρ, ορος, ὁ Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine Transliteration: pantokratór Phonetic Spelling: (pan-tok-rat'-ore) Short Definition: ruler of the universe Definition: [size=26] ruler of all, ruler of the universe, the almighty. [/size]
brocab, is Jesus the Ruler of ALL ? 1 Corinthians15:28
dolphinheart: READERS SHOULD STILL CONTINUE TO NOTE BROCABS REFUSAL TO RESPOND TO THE SCRIPTURES QUOTED TO HIM OR THE QUESTIONS POSTED TO HIM. ALSO TO BE NOTED IS THAT ONCE A RESPONSE IS BEING GIVEN TO HIM ON THE SCRIPTURES HE RAISED HE WILL NOT RESPOND AGAIN ONLY TO COME AND REPEAT THE WHOLE THING LATER. HE JUST DID THE SAME THING TO THIS POST.
LIAR!!!!! if you are not a liar, Copy and paste those responses, including yours in your reply to this post. answer to the request as stipulated and do not answer parts leaving other parts unanswered.
PLEASE NOTICE IF HE WILL DO THIS
for ya mind!
have I ever said I wunt tell him about rev 1: 7,8? no
what have I said and have been saying all this while about that scripture.? brocab quote and explain rev 1:1,4-6 and heb 1:9, tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12. do the above and ill explain rev 1:7,8 to you. I want you to use your own words to expose yourself.
have I ever deviated from the above? no
Why do i insist on him first explaining rev 1:1,4-6, heb 1:9 And telling who is talking in rev 3:2,12 before telling him about rev 1:7,8?
because 1. He had once postulated false teachings about rev 1:7,8, this false teachings will be exposed and cleared if we examine rev 1:1,4-6, heb 1:9 And rev 3:2,12. 2. He will, as usual run away from the issue if I give him an explanation, only to come back later to ask the same question an answer has already been given, so I've decided that on these issue, he will use his own mouth to expose himself. He knows these, he knows those scriptures I asked him to quote and explain will expose his false teachings, hence he refuses to do so!. I've even promised to explain rev 1:7,8 to him if he quotes and explain those scriptures, but he still refuses to do so. 3. The note below is a third reason
ISSUES YOU REFUSE TO RESPOND TO Why the kjv removed the name of God in most places it occured in the scriptures, I've asked you about it several times, but you refuse to respond
* pls note if he will respond in his reply
Note : you have refused to:
Just tell us the name of the church you associate with, that you are a member of!. If possible you can include its official website, at least you surpport using technology in Gods work.
Tell us, do you know that Jesus Christ told someone that he has a God? And that statement was recorded in the kjv.? Can you tell us where this can be found? If you can't answer this question brocab, then you dnt know the truth about Christ!. Expecially. The one spoken by Jesus himself.
Examine this questions brocab 1. If you say one body, one spirit, was Jesus a spirit before he came to earth? 2. When Jesus was on earth, was the spirit in him his, the father or the holy spirit.? 3. After Jesus left the earth, did he remain in the body or became a spirit? 4. What does Jesus mean by " the father is greater than I am" 5. Why does Jesus say he is going to the father when you are trying to say he is spirit. 6. You asked a question, the answer is yes, but ill like to ask you, what about the soul, why did you remove the soul when fomulating your question.
You cannot answer if Jesus is the same person as the father.
You can't do this : Simply quote and explain rev 1:1,4 -6 from any translation of your choice Tell use who is talking in rev 3:2,12.....
brocab , readers will note(again) that you have NOT quoted and explained ANY of the following scriptures :
1.rev 1:1,6 2. Rev 3, 2,13 3. John 17:1-3 4. Heb 1:1 -9 5. John 20:17 6. 1 cor 11:3 7 . 1 ti 2 :5,6 8.Acts 4:10 9. Acts 2:36 10. Acts 2:24 11. Acts 5:30 12.Acts 10:38,40,43 11. Phil 2:9,11 12. john 14:6 13. Acts 4 : 26,27, 30 14. 1 john 4:14 15. Heb 5:7 16. ps 28:18
And a host of others
Brocab , examine these scripture Acts 5: 31. Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins. John 3:16. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Jesus is Gods only begotten son, Jesus is not God!
Quote>Christians are not suppose to make false allegations, then why does dolphinheart claiming to be Christian, When it is "he" who gives out these false allegations against other Christians in Christ. If you were a true Christian then act like one.
dolphinheart: UP TILL NOW, YOU BROCAB, HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO SHOW OR POINT TO WHERE I SAID THE WORDS YOU ARE ACUSSING ME OF SAYING. christians are not supposed to lay false accusations.
Haba! are you saying christians can make false accusations, thus I'm not supposed to call myself a Christian?
and yet I've been able to show you from the bible how true their beliefs where until you started lying about them.
Ill do so , after you have quoted and explained rev 1:1,4-6, heb 1:9 And tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12
First answer {Revelation 1:7-8} and then we will quote the others again and again and again. .
dolphinheart: UP TILL NOW, YOU BROCAB, HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO SHOW OR POINT TO WHERE I SAID THE WORDS YOU ARE ACUSSING ME OF SAYING. christians are not supposed to lay false accusations.
Haba! are you saying christians can make false accusations, thus I'm not supposed to call myself a Christian?
and yet I've been able to show you from the bible how true their beliefs where until you started lying about them.
Ill do so , after you have quoted and explained rev 1:1,4-6, heb 1:9 And tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12
If you really believe that calling someone a lair is your way of being polite, then you really need to sit down and read the scriptures, and listen to what Jesus has to say about insulting people like you. {Matthew 5:11} Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute and falsely say or kinds of evil against you. "because of Me.
dolphinheart: it's dolphinheart , not dolphineheart, unless you are referring to another moniker.
Sir, making allegations without proof is a bad trait, did you make false allegations without proof? yes you did! therefore It is not an insult, I'm just describing what you did! and what you did was bad! when someone lies deliberately , what do you call that person? A liar!. It is not an insult, it's just stating the facts. even when I accuse you or him of making false allegations or lying, I first ask you to provide evidence or proof to surpport your claims, you do not provide it, thus the statement " false accuser" and "liar" sticks.
your questions are still pending
Jesus has a God? yes or no Jesus is subjected to that God ? yes or no if Jesus have a God, how can He then be almighty God !
1. On April 27, I asked you to do this: " maybe you that knows the implication can explain what you understand by what's recorded in revelation 1:1, 4-6 and tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12. finally can you tell us what you think about heb 1:9 "
2. on April 27 this request "for those saying Jesus is God.. pls. explain these Scripture for me ... Ephesians 5:1,2 1timothy 2:5 John 8:42 Act 2:22 Hebrews 12:2...... "
3. on April 29 " the God of our Lord Jesus Christ " Eph 1:17, who is the God of Jesus Christ ? 4. "You say Jesus is still a man in heaven, you also say Jesus has a God when he was a man.
NOW DOES Jesus STILL HAVE A GOD IN HEAVEN?" who anointed Jesus? who is that person to Jesus? you can see that the questions are numbered, so dnt muddle it up , or give part response
Are you dubious? Or just pain stupid. Answer Solite3 question, I did ask you to answer {Revelation 1:7-8} two months ago, and I am still waiting? So no-to your lies-you haven't answered the scripture I had asked you to answer.
dolphinheart: like I said to him, I'll reply you the same way, only dubious people answer question with a question, hope you are not dubious brocab? If you want that question answered, you can help him answer the question he was asked before he replied with a question, then ask these and ill answer you.
brocab, you asked me to show you certain scriptures, I've done so, but no response from you yet !
If Christians are not suppose to make false allegations, then why do you call yourself a Christian in the first place. JW's are proven to be the greatest lairs when any religion is involved. Hypocrites for you shut up the Kingdom of heaven against men, for you neither go in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in. I had asked you to prove, where I had lied against {Revelation 1:7-8} Please show the world who's lying, dolphinheart or the word of God.
dolphinheart: UP TILL THIS MOMENT, NEITHER YOU NOR BROCAB COULD SHOW OR POINT TO WHERE I SAID THE WORD HE IS ACUSSIN ME OF SAYING. Christians are not supposed to make false allegations, it is not a good thing, "liar" is a word used for those who do what brocab had done, it is not good to lie against someone else.
I've asked you and brocab to quote and explain 1. reV 1:1,4-6, 2. heb 1:9 I be also asked you to tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12
THIS REQUEST YOU HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO FULLY CARRY OUT!
Just answer Solite3 question, dolpinheart do you agree the Father called Jesus God?
dolphinheart: stop giving excuse on why you can't answer the questions. go and un muddle your reply to where I explained philipians 2 : 6-8 so that I can reply you!
sir, those are facts surpported with evidence and not insults , a person who lies is called a liar!
oGa, I DID!
I've told you where they are located, go look at them, cus you yourself quoted them!
yes that's what I said , so why did you lie against me that I said Jesus and his father both have one nature?
because answering those questions will expose more of your false doctrines. you know that too, that's why you wunt quote and explain them
They are not blind arguments, they are not meaningless questions the answers to those questions will go a long way to show if you are telling the truth or not
you quoted facts and not insults
only dubious people answer question with a question, hope you are not dubious . If you are not, then pls answer the question, then you can ask yours!
your questions are still pending
Jesus has a God, yes or no,? jesus is subjected to that God , yes or no if jesus has a God, how can He then be almighty God ?
1. On April 27, I asked you to do this: " maybe you that knows the implication can explain what you understand by what's recorded in revelation 1:1, 4-6 and tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12. finally can you tell us what you think about heb 1:9 "
2. on April 27 jEphz "for those saying Jesus is God.. pls. explain these Scripture for me ... Ephesians 5:1,2 1timothy 2:5 John 8:42 Act 2:22 Hebrews 12:2...... "
3. April 29 " the God of our Lord Jesus Christ " Eph 1:17, who is the God of Jesus Christ ?
4. "You say Jesus is still a man in heaven, you also say Jesus has a God when he was a man. NOW DOES Jesus STILL HAVE A GOD IN HEAVEN?" who anointed Jesus? who is that person to Jesus? you can see that the questions are numbered, so dnt muddle it up , or give part response
It's funny but dolphinheart needs us to keep him on his toes. what would he do without you and I, if we weren't around he would craw back in his box where he was last seen.
johnw74: Ha ha, dolphinheart is angry and disappointed that no Christian believes him he keeps posting his long and ridiculous posts denying scriptures and twisting them to say something else and giving false meanings to them, and no one believes him except his fellow antichrists
I know bro, but you and I know, that is what counts. And Barristter07 and dolphinheart need believers like you and I, because we are the ones who gives them the shits.
johnw74: brocab, barristter who loves to lie doesn't know the Bible how can he when false jw don't believe much of it, and changes much else of what it says rev 1:8 is Jesus' angel speaking for Jesus, as we who read the Bible for what is says know, false jw read the Bible with their false doctrines in mind
Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
Jesus then said: Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
and these show that it is Jesus that speaks to John through His angel: Rev 1:12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; Rev 1:13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
AND WHY DOES DOLPHINHEART INSIST ON HIM TO FIRST EXPLAIN REVELATION AND HEBREWS, THE TRUTH IS DOLPHINHEART DON'T KNOW HOW TO EXPLAIN IT? NOT ONLY MYSELF' BUT OTHERS HAVE EXPLAINED THESE SCRIPTURES OVER AND OVER, AND STILL THEIR IS NO FRUIT FOUND IN DOLPHINHEART? ITS SAD EVERYONE IS LAUGHING AT YOU DOLPHINHEART, NO-ONE IS TAKING YOU SERIOUSLY, IT MUST BE LONELY FOR YOU TRYING TO CONNECT WITH YOUR ATTITUDE. BUT DON'T WORRY I AM SMILING BEHIND YOUR BACK EVERY TIME YOU HAVE WRITTEN SUCH RUBBISH AGAINST ME. YOU WON'T ANSWER REVELATION OR HEBREWS BECAUSE LIKE THE REST OF YOU DONKEYS' YOU ALL BELIEVE CHRIST IS A LITTLE GOD, AND NOT THE JEHOVAH GOD WHO IS, AND WHO WAS, AND WHO IS COMING BACK. I AM THE ALPHA AND THE OMEGA THE FIRST AND THE LAST. AND LETS CLEAR THIS UP, CAN YOU PROVE TO US ALL, WHERE DID BROCAB ONCE POSTULATED FALSE TEACHINGS AGAINST {REVELATION 1:7-8} THAT'S WRITTEN IN YOUR BIBLE. TO BE TRUTHFUL IF DOLPHINHEART HAD ANSWERED THE QUESTION ABOUT {REVELATION 1:7-8} IN THE FIRST PLACE INSTEAD OF GIVING ME THE RUN AROUND, HE WOULDN'T BE ACTING LIKE HE IS NOW. AGAIN DOLPHINHEART HAS MADE FALSE ACCUSATIONS AGAINST ME, ONCE AGAIN?
dolphinheart: READERS SHOULD STILL CONTINUE TO NOTE BROCABS REFUSAL TO RESPOND TO THE SCRIPTURES QUOTED TO HIM OR THE QUESTIONS POSTED TO HIM. ALSO TO BE NOTED IS THAT ONCE A RESPONSE IS BEING GIVEN TO HIM ON THE SCRIPTURES HE RAISED HE WILL NOT RESPOND AGAIN ONLY TO COME AND REPEAT THE WHOLE THING LATER. HE JUST DID THE SAME THING TO MY POST HE QUOTED
have I been running around ? no have I been changing the topic? no have I ever said I wunt tell him about rev 1: 7,8? no
what have I said and have been saying all this while about that scripture.? brocab quote and explain rev 1:1,4-6 and heb 1:9, tell us who is talking in rev 3:2,12. do the above and ill explain rev 1:7,8 to you. I want you to use your own words to expose yourself.
have I ever deviated from the above? no
Why do i insist on him first explaining rev 1:1,4-6, heb 1:9 And telling who is talking in rev 3:2,12 before telling him about rev 1:7,8?
because 1. He had once postulated false teachings about rev 1:7,8, this false teachings will be exposed and cleared if we examine rev 1:1,4-6, heb 1:9 And rev 3:2,12. 2. He will, as usual run away from the issue if I give him an explanation, only to come back later to ask the same question an answer has already been given, so I've decided that on these issue, he will use his own mouth to expose himself. He knows these, he knows those scriptures I asked him to quote and explain will expose his false teachings, hence he refuses to do so!. I've even promised to explain rev 1:7,8 to him if he quotes and explain those scriptures, but he still refuses to do so. 3. The note below is a third reason
Don't change the subject everyone knows Jesus is the Son of God. I have written this because I know you won't read it down the page, but at least someone will, and they will work out who the true lairs are. And as sad as it always sounds the JW's have a bad record in doing such, IS LIE.
King James bible explains it like this>{Revelation 1:1-18} "A Revelation by Jesus Christ" which God gave Him, to show His slaves {servants} the things that must shortly take place, and He sent and signified it by His angel unto His servant John. {V 2} Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that John saw. {V 3} Bless is he who reads, and those who hear the words of this prophesy, and keep those things which are written in it for the time is near. {V 4} John to the seven churches which are in Asia, Grace to and peace from Him who is, and who was, and who is to come. {V 5} And from the seven spirits who are before His throne. And from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the first born from the dead and the ruler over the kings of the earth. To him who loved us and washed us, from our sins in His own blood. {V 6} And {Jesus} made us Kings and priest to HIS GOD THE FATHER to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever Amen. {V 7} Behold {Jesus} He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him, and all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. {V 8} And Jesus said" I and the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end" Say's the Lord. Who is and who was, and who is to come the Almighty. New World Translation bible>{V 7-8} Look He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see Him, and those who pierced Him, and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief because of Him. Yes Amen. {V 8} I am the Alpha and the Omega say's Jehovah God. The one who is and who was, and is coming the Almighty. Jehovah witnesses believe the Almighty Jehovah God is the one returning back to earth. "Not Jesus". king James bible>{V 9} I, John, both, your brother and companion in the tribulation and kingdom and patients of Jesus Christ, was on the Island that it is called Patmos for the word of God and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. {V 10} I was in the Spirit on the Lords day, and I heard behind me a loud voice, as a trumpet, {V 11} saying I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the Last, and what you see write it in a book and send it to the seven churches, which are in Asia. {V 12} THEN I TURNED TO SEE THE VOICE THAT SPOKE TO ME, AND HAVING TURNED I SAW SEVEN LAMPSTANDS AND IN THE MIDST OF THE SEVEN LAMPSTANDS. ONE LIKE THE SON OF MAN Did you miss this scripture Mr Barristter 07 does it frightened you, John had seen the Son of Man standing behind Him talking to him. Not Jehovah God standing behind Him, unless you believe Jehovah is Jesus? {V 17} And when I saw Him, I feel at His feet as dead, but He laid His right hand on me, saying to me do not be afraid, I Am the first and the last, {V 18} I Am he who lives and behold I Am alive forevermore, Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of death. This is even written in your bible, John saw Jesus standing behind him, Jesus is the one who lives and is still alive forever and ever. This is not Jehovah God, unless you believe Jesus is Jehovah God? So does this make any sense to you Mr Barristter 07 the lair Himself? GOD SAID NO-ONE HAS SEEN HIM AT ANY TIME, BECAUSE GOD IS SPIRIT. BUT YOU JEHOVAH WITNESSES BELIEVE JEHOVAH GOD IS COMING BACK AND EVERY EYE WILL SEE JEHOVAH GOD COMING WITH CLOUDS, AND THOSE WHO PIERCED HIM, AND ALL THE TRIBES OF THE EARTH WILL MOURN BECAUSE OF HIM. And not JESUS coming back.. How silly does your doctrine sound. Haven't any of you JW's have any faith in Christ at all?
I asked : scripture firmly established that Jesus is not the supreme being [size=27] by declaring many times that our Lord Jesus Christ have a God too ! any objection to this fact ?
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Am still expecting ur response to that! FAILURE TO REPLY MEANS YOU AGREE
instead of answering you brocab went ahead to bring another issue .
i did some research and discovered that contrary to ur claim @ undelined , Jehovahs Witnesses never said Jesus is Jehovah God. , it was you brocab that attribute that statement to them.
2. @ Rev 1:8 , the person speaking is described as the Almighty , greek /pantokrator/
Strong's Concordance pantokratór: almighty Original Word: παντοκράτωρ, ορος, ὁ Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine Transliteration: pantokratór Phonetic Spelling: (pan-tok-rat'-ore) Short Definition: ruler of the universe Definition: [size=26] ruler of all, ruler of the universe, the almighty. [/size]
brocab, is Jesus the Ruler of ALL ? 1 Corinthians15:28
if yes , prove it ! how could the Ruler of All have his own God he is subjected to ?
if NO , how then could you lie that its Jesus speaking at Rev 1:8 ?
YOU ALSO BELIEVE IN YOUR OWN LIES. Show me in the word where it say's Jesus is a god? Plus show me where Jesus being a god has a god superior to him? And I can show you, your NWT bible claims Jehovah God is Jesus in {Revelation 1:8} Calling Him the Almighty. This will be interesting?
dolphinheart: You could not answer the question you where asked, but you decided to quote me. After quoting me, you could not counter any of the beliefs I have I believe Jesus is not the supreme being I believe Jesus is not the most high I believe when the scriptures say that the most high said to Jesus that he should sit at his right side. I believe the visions of Stephen when he saw Jesus standing at the right side of God . I believe that Jesus is a God. I believe that Jesus being a God , still has a God superior to him I believe that Jesus is subjected to that God . I believe that that God is my God !, the only true god, the almighty God , Jehovah our father!
King James Version 1Jo 5:20And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, EVEN IN his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
why are you afraid to explain the verse you posted! when Jesus came, who did he teach us about? the only true God who dI'd he call the only true God? The father! who is the father? his God, our God , the almighty , the supreme being, the most high, Jehovah!
exepts from John chapter 17(kjv) [b]1 These words spoke Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, FATHER, the hour has come; glorify YOUR SON, that YOUR SON also may glorify you: * esus testifies again that he is the son of God, he was not praying to himself, he was praying to God!
2 As YOU HAVE GIVEN HIM power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as you have given him. * jesus let's it known again that God gave him power over all flesh
3 And this is life eternal, that they might KNOW YOU the only true God, AND Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. *jesus states it clearly and directly that the father is the ONLY TRUE GOD !
4 I have glorified you on the earth: I have finished the work which YOU GAVE me to do. * Jesus Christ let's you realise that it's the father, the only true God that have him the work he came to do on earth!
6 I have manifested your name unto the men that you gave me out of the world: yours they were, and you gave them to me; and they have kept your word.
7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever you have given me are of you.
8 For I have given unto them the words which you gave me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from you, and they have believed that you did send me.
11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to you. Holy Father, keep through your own name those whom you have given me, that they may be one, as we are.
20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also who shall believe on me through their word; 21 That they all may be one; AS YOU, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also MAY BE ONE IN US: that the world may believe that you have sent me.
22 And the glory which you gave me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and you in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that you have sent me, [/color]and have loved them, as you have loved me.
24 Father, I will that they also, whom you have given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which you have given me: for you loved me before the foundation of the world.
25 O righteous Father, the world has not known you: but I have known you, and these have known that you have sent me.
26 And I have declared unto them your name, and will declare it: that the love with which you have loved me may be in them, and I in them.
can you see from the above that Jesus and the father are not the same person, that the father is superior to jesus like jesus said: the father is greater than I am!
read 1 john chapter 5 again and you will understand what the verse you quoted is saying
I don't have to read the scripture its in black and white, {1 John 5:20} just read it, and read what it says. It go's against your beliefs, who God is.
dolphinheart: You could not answer the question you where asked, but you decided to quote me. After quoting me, you could not counter any of the beliefs I have I believe Jesus is not the supreme being I believe Jesus is not the most high I believe when the scriptures say that the most high said to Jesus that he should sit at his right side. I believe the visions of Stephen when he saw Jesus standing at the right side of God . I believe that Jesus is a God. I believe that Jesus being a God , still has a God superior to him I believe that Jesus is subjected to that God . I believe that that God is my God !, the only true god, the almighty God , Jehovah our father!
King James Version 1Jo 5:20And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, EVEN IN his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
why are you afraid to explain the verse you posted! when Jesus came, who did he teach us about? the only true God who dI'd he call the only true God? The father! who is the father? his God, our God , the almighty , the supreme being, the most high, Jehovah!
exepts from John chapter 17(kjv) [b]1 These words spoke Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, FATHER, the hour has come; glorify YOUR SON, that YOUR SON also may glorify you: * esus testifies again that he is the son of God, he was not praying to himself, he was praying to God!
2 As YOU HAVE GIVEN HIM power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as you have given him. * jesus let's it known again that God gave him power over all flesh
3 And this is life eternal, that they might KNOW YOU the only true God, AND Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. *jesus states it clearly and directly that the father is the ONLY TRUE GOD !
4 I have glorified you on the earth: I have finished the work which YOU GAVE me to do. * Jesus Christ let's you realise that it's the father, the only true God that have him the work he came to do on earth!
6 I have manifested your name unto the men that you gave me out of the world: yours they were, and you gave them to me; and they have kept your word.
7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever you have given me are of you.
8 For I have given unto them the words which you gave me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from you, and they have believed that you did send me.
11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to you. Holy Father, keep through your own name those whom you have given me, that they may be one, as we are.
20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also who shall believe on me through their word; 21 That they all may be one; AS YOU, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also MAY BE ONE IN US: that the world may believe that you have sent me.
22 And the glory which you gave me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 [color=red]I in them, and you in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that you have sent me, [color=red]and have loved them, as you have loved me.
24 Father, I will that they also, whom you have given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which you have given me: for you loved me before the foundation of the world.
25 O righteous Father, the world has not known you: but I have known you, and these have known that you have sent me.
26 And I have declared unto them your name, and will declare it: that the love with which you have loved me may be in them, and I in them.
[color=blue]can you see from the above that Jesus and the father are not the same person, that the father is superior to jesus like jesus said: the father is greater than I am!
read 1 john chapter 5 again and you will understand what the verse you quoted is saying
Its nice you have stood up for your partner in crime, but I assure you nothing here is said that is offensive, We are both on a different wave lengths. The only thing I don't understand about dolphinheart, he denies the bible, calling it a lie. I gather it's because the word of God had corned Him into a corner he can't seem to get out off, and of course he then changes the subject quickly, from a simple ask-he try's so hard to hide the facts why someone in your organization had written in the New World Translation bible Jehovah God is Jesus.{Revelation 1:7-8} My question is' Is your bible faulty because dolphinheart is trying so hard to hide the fact some of your bible scholars had written such a statement that is found in the NWT bible in Revelation Jehovah God is Jesus. And why is it written in there, if none of you believe He is? Maybe you could shed a little light on this subject?
I love the fact that you Love Jesus Christ, this is what is expected of every Christian.
but I wont want you to misunderstand dolphinheart, ( note that am not defending dolphinheart,).
Dolphinheart belives Jesus is A mighty one, infact a Mighty God . @ dolpinheart , correct me if am wrong
and every Christian know Jesus is a powerful being . no doubt .
But brocab, I want you to know that when u hear anyone saying Jesus is not God . they dont mean he is not powerful or mighty . they meant he doesnt fit the definition of God as the SUPREME BEING
definition of God
God 1. 2. [god] noun the one Supreme Being, the creator and ruler of the universe.
scripture firmly established that Jesus is not the supreme being, [size=27] by declaring many times that our Lord Jesus Christ has his own God too , [/size] any objection to that Fact ?
You are still not listening, I am not interested in someone else calling Jesus the son of God, I am interested in Jesus calling Himself the Son of God, without Him reading the scriptures' Psalms was written by David, and Jesus said He is the Son of God through the scriptures, not by His own accord He quoted psalms so the Jews would believe Him. you have quoted {John 10} Jesus presents Himself as the good shepherd, and in a debate with the Jewish leaders, He makes His claim. "I and the Father are one"{John 10:30}
Jesus claimed to be one with God, in the sense to be equal to Him, Jesus did not claim to be merely to be a messenger or a prophet of God, But of equal power of God.
His audience understood that Jesus was claiming equality with God the Father in {V 31} The Jews picked up stones again to stone Him, "When asked why they were planning to kill Him, they answered, for blasphemy, because you being a man make yourself God {John 10:33} If Jesus had been lying and deceived, His statement would have been blasphemous, In fact, the only way His words were not blasphemy is if Jesus was telling the truth about His equality with God. Jesus referred to Himself as God's Son, and to God as His Father {John 10:36-37} Jesus used {Psalms 82:6} {I said you are god's you are all sons of the most high} this scripture gave Jesus the rights to claim He is the Son of God. This is my argument, Where in the bible did Jesus actually say He is the Son of God, without someone else claiming He is? Psalms was written by David. Jesus made His statement to the Jews copying what psalms had said?
Jesus claimed that the Father sent Him,The one who the Father had set apart as His very own and has sent into the world {John 10:36} In this statement Jesus claimed pre-existence in the Fathers presents, No biblical prophet had ever made such a claim before, yet Jesus claimed to exist before Abraham {John 8:58} Jesus only stated that the Jews did not believe Him, He never said they misunderstood His claims to be God {John 10:38} "Even through you do not believe me, believe the works that you may know and understand that the Father is in Me, and I in the Father. Again even with this statement How can Jesus claim to be the Son if they are equality one the same?
dolphinheart: Did info come from someone else as stated in my post you quoted? yes info about who Jesus is came from God, nathy, matha and the disciples.
did any of them say "jesus is God !"? no
what did they say? they said Jesus is the anointed one, the son of the living God! * brocab, can you tell us who anointed jesus?!
You stated that in the scriptures , Jesus did not directly call himself the son of God , I've shown you where Jesus said so , but since you did not read it , ill show you again .
King James Version Joh 10:36Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; BECAUSE I SAID, I am the Son of God?
BROCABS, DID YOU HEAR JESUS OWN STATEMENT ABOVE, ARE YOU CALLING JESUS A LIAR THAT HE NEVER SAID "I AM THE SON OF GOD?"
supportin scriptures: Joh 5:25,26 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. 26For as the Father hath life in himself; SO HATH HE GIVEN TO THE SON to have life in himself;
King James Version Joh 20:17Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
brocab, why do you think the Jews wanted to kill him! King James Version Joh 5:18Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, BUT HE SAID ALSO THAT GOD WAS HIS FATHER making himself equal with God.
It's painful that you ,claiming to be a Christian will claim and focus on "Jesus not directly saying he is the son of god" as if it would negate the statements of others that where recorded in the scriptures! they where all recorded for a reason, and they did not contradict each other! King James Version Joh 20:31BUT THESE ARE WRITTEN, THAT YE MIGHT BELIEVE THAT JESUS IS THE CHRIST, THE SON OF GOD, AND THAT BELIEVING YE MIGHT HAVE LIFE THROUGH HIS NAME!
Below are statements I made concerning what the scriptures I quoted tells us, you could not respond to it cus they are truth! [b]is Jesus the highest? no is Jesus son of the highest? yes. is the the God who sent him? no was Jesus sent by God ? yes is Jesus the son of God ? yes I wonder why some would desperately want to redefine who Jesus is using indirect method! * What did this scriptures teach us 1. Jesus is the only begotten Son of God 2. Jesus is the only begotten Son of the father 3. God send his son to the world 4. If you believe in the son , you will gain evalasting life 5. The son is a different person from God 6. Jesus is not almighty God , but his father is, being the one who sent him, and Jesus saying God sent him!, more importantly with 7 below. 7, Jesus said that only the father is the true God! 8. Jesus prayed to the father, affirming to do his will till death 9. The scriptures states that God is the head of Christ, this is also in liNe with the scriptures which tell us that the father is greater than Jesus, the father is God of Jesus , and Jesus having a God who anointed him! 10. Jesus was sent to pass on a message to mankind 11. Jesus was sent to save makind 12. Jesus was sent to lead us back to God , to become his children 13. Jesus came to give his life as a ransom so that we might gain evalasting life[/b]
Jesus is one with the father just as a husband and wife are expected to be one! jesus wants his disciples to be one with him and his father also.
do you know that Jesus said he has a God ? do you know that Jesus said the father is greater than him?
gram!, with your own words, you just comfirmed that Jesus is Not the God who spoke about Jesus. that God is the almighty God !
did God send himself as the messiah? no who did God send? his son did the son acknowledge being seNT by God ? yes in John 17: 1-3
{1 John 5:20} And we know that the Son of God has come, and has given us insight to know Him, who is true, and we are in Him who is true, even in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the God and eternal life.
dolphinheart: sir, You are definitely right! I believe Jesus is not the supreme being I believe Jesus is not the most high I believe when the scriptures say that the most high said to jesus that he should sit at his right side. I believe the visions of Stephen when he saw Jesus standing at the right side of God . I believe that Jesus is a God. I believe that Jesus being a God , still has a God superior to him I believe that Jesus is subjected to that God . I believe that that God is my God !, the only true god, the almighty God , Jehovah our father!
Old testament women didn't play such roles, but these day's women do? The world say's women have their rights the same as men, and in the word women are to sit quietly. Would you allow a homosexual to stand on the pulpit, and preach about Jesus? Really its up to the church to decide, I remember the old day's the Church would stand up for the people' and put a stop to this sort of behaviour, But these day's the Church does nothing to change it. Back in the day' we would never hear a swear word come across our televisions, nor radio's nor the media.
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 2:28am On May 24, 2016
