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MuttleyLaff:
I was wondering if you can handle body blows and do understand your situation, in that you're receiving too much information at one time and cannot think about them or dont have the time to properly think over them
Makes you fell like a boxer in a boxing ring being pummelled mercilessly against the ropes

Again, apart from the facts in Numbers 18:24 and/or from Deuteronomy 8:17-18 why did God demand tithing from the Israelites or why did the Israelites have to tithe?
Do you know why specifically, tithing became an established command for the Israelites?

Every single chapter in the Bible is a hit. From Genesis to Malachi, Matthew to Revelation is a hit. Been there, done that, bought the T-shirt back to back.

If tithes and offerings are eternal principles, do you accept that gravity and aerodynamics as well, are external principles too?
Well the thing is, tithing is rendered unnecessary by another principle, just as gravity is rendered inoperative and unnecessary by another principle (i.e. aerodynamics)
Tithing prohibits or prevents believers who are tithe partisans from flying. You cant rise high in the air with gravity. There is a better law, there is a better eternal principle...
That is the decisive or most important point countering the assumptions in the thread and in your postings

Read Hebrews 7:18-19, you'll have a better understanding of my communication and any psychological dependence on tithing will easily be overcomed

dolphinheart:
the questions will show if you are telling the truth or not, you refusal to answer then shows you are trying to hide something!
so far so good, those questions has been exposing your false teachings, again I state that it's not only questions you failed to answer , you have so far failed woefully in quoting and explaining certain scriptures!



GOD WILL BE THE JUDGE BETWEEN ME AND YOU ON THESE ISSUE, IVE POSTED , POINTED TO YOU, MENTIONED YOUR NAME SEVERAL TIMES WHEN I EXPLAIN ED TO YOU REV 1:1,4-6,7,8; REV 3:2,12, AND HEB 1:9. IVE DONE IT TWICE ON THESE THREAD ! TWIIICE!, YOU REFUSED TO RESPOND TO ANY OF IT!


some of the scriptures I wanted you to quote and explain are jesus own words, but you refuse to do so .


YOU HAVE STATE LYING AGAIN!


sir, I told you several times to use any translation you want to quote and explain the scriptures I asked you to qoute and explain, you are here still arguing about translations while still refusing to quote and explain those scriptures.



I dnt want "us" to listen to me , I want you brocab, to quote and explain the scriptures I posted to you, or are those scriptures not the word of God again?

issues at hand:

you said this : "But first you need to think about this, "we are Christians" and Christians are not Jehovah witnesses, Christians don't think the same as you, nor do we believe in any of your doctrines.

I asked you :
you dnt believe any of our doctrines? ok , one of the doctrines of jehovahs witnesses doctrine is that followers of jesus are not supposed to participate in warfare , do you accept this doctrine or you believe that Jesus followers are supposed to participate in warfare, by warfare, I mean war among countries, nationalities, and tribes, e.g the nigerian civil war!

Another teaching is that fornicators, people who deliberately and continuously commit fornication after being found out, are not allowed to be part of

brocab, there are still other isues at hand

1. WRITTEN WHAAAT? pls point to what I've written and post it, anytime I say you said something, I endeavor to direct you to wheee and when you said it, so pls direct me and others to where I said " God and the Word is a two headed god"?
bunch of liars!

2. Brought what back to my attention, I know you desperately want him to bring those words he accused me of saying out, it pains you that he could not, hence you have to find alternatives!
..............................

And yet no response from you on the issue you yourself raised?
also up till now , you have not answered these questions
(ill find that post and point it to you)

......................................

you have also refused to respond to these questions and scripture:
[b]Just tell us the name of the church you associate with, that you are a member of!. If possible you can include its official website, at least you surpport using technology in Gods work.

Tell us, do you know that Jesus Christ told someone that he has a God? And that statement was recorded in the kjv.? Can you tell us where this can be found?
If you can't answer this question brocab, then you dnt know the truth about Christ!.
Expecially. The one spoken by Jesus himself.

Examine this questions brocab
1. If you say one body, one spirit, was Jesus a spirit before he came to earth?
2. When Jesus was on earth, was the spirit in him his, the father or the holy spirit.?
3. After Jesus left the earth, did he remain in the body or became a spirit?
4. What does Jesus mean by " the father is greater than I am"
5. Why does Jesus say he is going to the father when you are trying to say he is spirit.
6. You asked a question, the answer is yes, but ill like to ask you, what about the soul, why did you remove the soul when fomulating your question.

brocab , readers will note(again) that you have NOT quoted and explained ANY of the following scriptures :
1.rev 1:1,6
2. Rev 3, 2,13
3. John 17:1-3
4. Heb 1:1 -9
5. John 20:17
6. 1 cor 11:3
7 . 1 ti 2 :5,6
8.Acts 4:10
9. Acts 2:36
10. Acts 2:24
11. Acts 5:30
12.Acts 10:38,40,43
11. Phil 2:9,11
12. john 14:6
13. Acts 4 : 26,27, 30
14. 1 john 4:14
15. Heb 5:7
16. ps 28:18
17. 2 cor 1:3
18. Eph 1:3
19. 1 pet 1:3
20: 2Cor 8:6
21. 1 cor 15: 27,28

And a host of others
.............................................

Brocab , examine these scripture
Acts 5: 31.
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

John 3:16.
For God so loved the world,
that he gave his only begotten
Son, that whosoever believeth
in him should not perish, but
have everlasting life.
Jesus is Gods only begotten son, Jesus is not God almighty!
................................................


YOU HAVE AGAIN ADDED LIES TO YOUR VIEWS.
Lets see if Jesus was recognizable to those who knew him:
[b]King James Version
Joh 20:14And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS Jesus!
King James Version

Joh 20:15Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? SHE SUPPOSING HIM TO BE THE GARGENER, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.

I dnt think the disciples would have been able to recognize Jesus more than Mary, she probably would have known Jesus from birth, and the picture of Jesus in her memory would have been sharper than a 100 mega pixel camera!
but here you are , lying again that Jesus was recognizable to those who knew him!
dnt you think Mary should have been able to recognise Jesus instantly if he had been raise in the same body he died in?
* this is a question ill hope you can give us answer to .
Do you notice how Jesus appeared to his disciples who had locked the doors, his actions transcends the physical realm, he appeared to them gram!, in a locked rooM!. yet until he showed them death dealing wound marks, that was when they believed they where swing the Lord.

brocab pls tell us
1. DOES SOME ONE FACE CHANGE WHEN HE OR SHE IS RESSURRECTED WITH THE SAME BODY HE OR SHE DIED IN?
2.DOES SOME ONE GETS RESSURRECTED WITH THE WOUND'S OR INJURIES THAT KILLED HIM?
If your assumptions are true, I bet during the ressurection, we will know those whose throut where slit, cus there will still be a gapping hole in there necks. and those whose brains where blown out will have a hole in their head, cus they will be resurrected with that same body!
before, I digress, let's further examine ya lie.
King James Version
Joh 21:4But when the morning was now come, Jesus stood on the shore: BUT THE DISCIPLES KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS Jesus.
john 21: 12 New International Version
Jesus said to them, "Come and have breakfast." None of the disciples dared ask him, "Who are you?" They knew it was the Lord.
even after seing Jesus after his resurrecting, after being with Jesus for years, they still do not recognize Jesus at first glance. If Jesus had been resurrected with the same body he had died in, the disciples will have no doubt, they wunt need to even bother to ask the question that dared not to ask, "who are you".
Jesus had just showed them who he is, it is left for us to understand that they still had issues with Jesus physical features, despite knowing that the person inviting theM to a meal is actually Jesus.

I for one believe that only spirits do appear and dissappear at will!
spirits can manifest physical bodies of any liking for any particular purpose, the scriptures is awash with such occurrences, they can even use it to have sex sef!
sir do you ever read the scriptures at all.
It says flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God!
human body is flesh and blood!
how then do you espect the king of gods kingdom to have flesh and blood while his Co rulers do not!
how do you expect the physical to rule in the spiritual realm.
brocab, Jesus was a spirit before he came to earth, was he not?
how come , you refuse him his spirit nature when he had accomplished the work he was sent to do here on earth?

dolphinheart:
sir, I'm not backing away from the truth!

Jozzy4:
this man go and sleep

Jozzy4:
he asked you that question, stop been a liar

Barristter07:
johnw74






You didn't say "did captivator said he worshipped angels ?"
,

I asked brocab ' did HE said he worshipped angels?

, despite the fact that its clear I represent captivator with the PRONOUN " he " . grow up.

CAPTIVATOR:
baseless accusation

dolphinheart:
backing down from where and what?

dolphinheart:
1. answer the question brocab, and stop giving excuses
2. stop lying brocab, on several occasions I've explained divine nature to you, posts in which you refuse to reply to , only to make the allegations several pages later.
3. stop making false analogy brocab, tell us where the holy has same divine nature with jesus ?


1. The questions have been asked months ago, there is no flash here!
2. I'm not pestering "us christians ," I'm asking you brocab!, the questions are directed to you brocab and not "us christians".
3. Who is "we" that you have been mentioning since sef?, I did not ask "we " anything, I asked brocab, and brocab has refused to answer.
not only had you refused to answer, you have also refused to quote and explain certain scriptures posted to you.


I did not ask anything from "us"

the questions are mostly numbered and spaced.
The scriptures verses you where asked to quote and explain has not changed.


it as been explicit from the beginning: " pls brocab, answer the questions and pls brocab , quote and explain this scriptures!

do I refuse any scripture you have provided to me ? no , most times I quote and explain them!


in ya mind!
you dnt believe any of our doctrines? ok , one of the doctrines of jehovahs witnesses doctrine is that followers of jesus are not supposed to participate in warfare , do you accept this doctrine or you believe that Jesus followers are supposed to participate in warfare, by warfare, I mean war among countries, nationalities, and tribes, e.g the nigerian civil war!

Another teaching is that fornicators, people who deliberately and continuously commit fornication after being found out, are not allowed to be part of the congregation. do you agree with these or not?



Nop, I'm not pushing for you to agree with me, that is far from my aim.

brocab, there are still isues at hand:

1. WRITTEN WHAAAT? pls point to what I've written and post it, anytime I say you said something, I endeavor to direct you to wheee and when you said it, so pls direct me and others to where I said " God and the Word is a two headed god"?
bunch of liars!

2. Brought what back to my attention, I know you desperately want him to bring those words he accused me of saying out, it pains you that he could not, hence you have to find alternatives!
..............................

And yet no response from you on the issue you yourself raised?
also up till now , you have not answered these questions
(ill find that post and point it to you)

......................................

you have also refused to respond to these questions and scripture:
[b]Just tell us the name of the church you associate with, that you are a member of!. If possible you can include its official website, at least you surpport using technology in Gods work.

Tell us, do you know that Jesus Christ told someone that he has a God? And that statement was recorded in the kjv.? Can you tell us where this can be found?
If you can't answer this question brocab, then you dnt know the truth about Christ!.
Expecially. The one spoken by Jesus himself.

Examine this questions brocab
1. If you say one body, one spirit, was Jesus a spirit before he came to earth?
2. When Jesus was on earth, was the spirit in him his, the father or the holy spirit.?
3. After Jesus left the earth, did he remain in the body or became a spirit?
4. What does Jesus mean by " the father is greater than I am"
5. Why does Jesus say he is going to the father when you are trying to say he is spirit.
6. You asked a question, the answer is yes, but ill like to ask you, what about the soul, why did you remove the soul when fomulating your question.

brocab , readers will note(again) that you have NOT quoted and explained ANY of the following scriptures :
1.rev 1:1,6
2. Rev 3, 2,13
3. John 17:1-3
4. Heb 1:1 -9
5. John 20:17
6. 1 cor 11:3
7 . 1 ti 2 :5,6
8.Acts 4:10
9. Acts 2:36
10. Acts 2:24
11. Acts 5:30
12.Acts 10:38,40,43
11. Phil 2:9,11
12. john 14:6
13. Acts 4 : 26,27, 30
14. 1 john 4:14
15. Heb 5:7
16. ps 28:18
17. 2 cor 1:3
18. Eph 1:3
19. 1 pet 1:3
20: 2Cor 8:6
21. 1 cor 15: 27,28

And a host of others
.............................................

Brocab , examine these scripture
Acts 5: 31.
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

John 3:16.
For God so loved the world,
that he gave his only begotten
Son, that whosoever believeth
in him should not perish, but
have everlasting life.
Jesus is Gods only begotten son, Jesus is not God almighty!
................................................


YOU HAVE AGAIN ADDED LIES TO YOUR VIEWS.
Lets see if Jesus was recognizable to those who knew him:
[b]King James Version
Joh 20:14And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS Jesus!
King James Version

Joh 20:15Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? SHE SUPPOSING HIM TO BE THE GARGENER, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.

I dnt think the disciples would have been able to recognize Jesus more than Mary, she probably would have known Jesus from birth, and the picture of Jesus in her memory would have been sharper than a 100 mega pixel camera!
but here you are , lying again that Jesus was recognizable to those who knew him!
dnt you think Mary should have been able to recognise Jesus instantly if he had been raise in the same body he died in?
* this is a question ill hope you can give us answer to .
Do you notice how Jesus appeared to his disciples who had locked the doors, his actions transcends the physical realm, he appeared to them gram!, in a locked rooM!. yet until he showed them death dealing wound marks, that was when they believed they where swing the Lord.

brocab pls tell us
1. DOES SOME ONE FACE CHANGE WHEN HE OR SHE IS RESSURRECTED WITH THE SAME BODY HE OR SHE DIED IN?
2.DOES SOME ONE GETS RESSURRECTED WITH THE WOUND'S OR INJURIES THAT KILLED HIM?
If your assumptions are true, I bet during the ressurection, we will know those whose throut where slit, cus there will still be a gapping hole in there necks. and those whose brains where blown out will have a hole in their head, cus they will be resurrected with that same body!
before, I digress, let's further examine ya lie.
King James Version
Joh 21:4But when the morning was now come, Jesus stood on the shore: BUT THE DISCIPLES KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS Jesus.
john 21: 12 New International Version
Jesus said to them, "Come and have breakfast." None of the disciples dared ask him, "Who are you?" They knew it was the Lord.
even after seing Jesus after his resurrecting, after being with Jesus for years, they still do not recognize Jesus at first glance. If Jesus had been resurrected with the same body he had died in, the disciples will have no doubt, they wunt need to even bother to ask the question that dared not to ask, "who are you".
Jesus had just showed them who he is, it is left for us to understand that they still had issues with Jesus physical features, despite knowing that the person inviting theM to a meal is actually Jesus.

I for one believe that only spirits do appear and dissappear at will!
spirits can manifest physical bodies of any liking for any particular purpose, the scriptures is awash with such occurrences, they can even use it to have sex sef!
sir do you ever read the scriptures at all.
It says flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God!
human body is flesh and blood!
how then do you espect the king of gods kingdom to have flesh and blood while his Co rulers do not!
how do you expect the physical to rule in the spiritual realm.
brocab, Jesus was a spirit before he came to earth, was he not?
how come , you refuse him his spirit nature when he had accomplished the work he was sent to do here on earth?

Jozzy4:
This thread is making me love the Jehovahs Witnesses the more... see how they are unite in their teachings, but there opponents are scattered in their teaching.


solite3, nd brocab ... do u agree with johnw74 that Jesus is Gods spirit ?

CAPTIVATOR:
God , Christ and the angels are all spirit beings, thats their form.

johnw74:
it's very clear what brocab said, but false jw is forever twisting and disbelieving things said,
including scriptures.

Lie Lie barristter

Barristter07:
brocab



did he said he worshipped angels ?

goodnews201668:
Maybe its your own Jesus that will remain a man forever, just listen to what you are saying. Why will Jesus remain a man forever?

dolphinheart:
brocab, you have not answered most of my questions, that why I keep repeating them to you, note that it is not only questions you refuse to answer, you refuse to quote and explain certain scriptures too.
A beg , who is "we"?



CAN YOU YOURSELF SEE YOUR RAMBLING,

Jesus have two natures at same time? no , the theory is a lie!, I've posted the truth to you about that statement when you said Jesus was fully God, you failed as usual to respond it it, only to bring such falsehood up again.
New question you should consider: what happened to jesus divine nature when he died? Did it die too!

brocab , no one is talking about worship yet, we are talking about having a God and being in subjection to that God.
you said : "Yes Jesus who is the second person of the trinity and divine by nature, worshipped God the Father, under the Law "
brocab is jesus under the law now? no , I'm asking if jesus who is no longer under the law at the moment has a God.
even the Gal 4:4 that you mentioned never said anything about Jesus having double nature
Jesus is still a man? well this is what the scriptures said about Jesus resurrection tion: [b]1Pe 3:18For Christ died once for all time for sins, a righteous person for unrighteous ones, in order to lead you to God. He was put to death IN THE FLESH but made alive IN THE SPIRIT.
JESUS WAS NEVER MADE ALIVE IN THE FLESH!

THE VERSES YOU MENTIONED NEVER SAID ANY THING ABOUT JESUS BEING A MAN AT THIS MOMENT, I.E BEING FLESH AND BLOOD AT THIS MOMENT , TALK LESS OF BEING ONE FOREVER.
Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, the scriptures said!

The funny thing is the fact that as long as jesus is a man, he can never be God almighty!

you have so far used a false teaching ( jesus having double nature) to arrive at another false doctrine( the man jesus calls someone his God in heaven)
the main facts are that, in heaven, Jesus says God is his God, he calls God " my God ". If you say that God is the father, then the God in revelation IS THE FATHER!
The father is the almighty God !

you have only attempted to answer one question, which you failed woefully in, you attempt to use false teachings(which had been debunked without reply in these thread) to tell us that Jesus has a God and does not have a god at this same moment. This fictional explanation can only be found in fictional novels that talk about hybrids, it's not in Gods word.
Jesus emptied himself and his divine nature was changed to that of human nature I.e flesh and blood, he BECAME FLESH. You are trying to make jesus sacrifice illegal by claiming a god died and not a man died, you are trying to justify that adam could not have resisted Satan's lies since he did not have divine nature alongside his human nature.

brocab, you keep mentioning this divine nature of jesus forgetting it's that same divine nature that those who will go to heaven will have!, does it make them god too!

Since its only one question that you attempted to answer, I'll post as a reminder the other issues.

1. WRITTEN WHAAAT? pls point to what I've written and post it, anytime I say you said something, I endeavor to direct you to wheee and when you said it, so pls direct me and others to where I said " God and the Word is a two headed god"?
bunch of liars!

2. Brought what back to my attention, I know you desperately want him to bring those words he accused me of saying out, it pains you that he could not, hence you have to find alternatives!
..............................

And yet no response from you on the issue you yourself raised?
also up till now , you have not answered these questions
(ill find that post and point it to you)

......................................

you have also refused to respond to these questions and scripture:
[b]Just tell us the name of the church you associate with, that you are a member of!. If possible you can include its official website, at least you surpport using technology in Gods work.

Tell us, do you know that Jesus Christ told someone that he has a God? And that statement was recorded in the kjv.? Can you tell us where this can be found?
If you can't answer this question brocab, then you dnt know the truth about Christ!.
Expecially. The one spoken by Jesus himself.

Examine this questions brocab
1. If you say one body, one spirit, was Jesus a spirit before he came to earth?
2. When Jesus was on earth, was the spirit in him his, the father or the holy spirit.?
3. After Jesus left the earth, did he remain in the body or became a spirit?
4. What does Jesus mean by " the father is greater than I am"
5. Why does Jesus say he is going to the father when you are trying to say he is spirit.
6. You asked a question, the answer is yes, but ill like to ask you, what about the soul, why did you remove the soul when fomulating your question.

brocab , readers will note(again) that you have NOT quoted and explained ANY of the following scriptures :
1.rev 1:1,6
2. Rev 3, 2,13
3. John 17:1-3
4. Heb 1:1 -9
5. John 20:17
6. 1 cor 11:3
7 . 1 ti 2 :5,6
8.Acts 4:10
9. Acts 2:36
10. Acts 2:24
11. Acts 5:30
12.Acts 10:38,40,43
11. Phil 2:9,11
12. john 14:6
13. Acts 4 : 26,27, 30
14. 1 john 4:14
15. Heb 5:7
16. ps 28:18
17. 2 cor 1:3
18. Eph 1:3
19. 1 pet 1:3
20: 2Cor 8:6
21. 1 cor 15: 27,28

And a host of others
.............................................

Brocab , examine these scripture
Acts 5: 31.
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

John 3:16.
For God so loved the world,
that he gave his only begotten
Son, that whosoever believeth
in him should not perish, but
have everlasting life.
Jesus is Gods only begotten son, Jesus is not God almighty!
................................................


YOU HAVE AGAIN ADDED LIES TO YOUR VIEWS.
Lets see if Jesus was recognizable to those who knew him:
[b]King James Version
Joh 20:14And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS Jesus!
King James Version

Joh 20:15Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? SHE SUPPOSING HIM TO BE THE GARGENER, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.

I dnt think the disciples would have been able to recognize Jesus more than Mary, she probably would have known Jesus from birth, and the picture of Jesus in her memory would have been sharper than a 100 mega pixel camera!
but here you are , lying again that Jesus was recognizable to those who knew him!
dnt you think Mary should have been able to recognise Jesus instantly if he had been raise in the same body he died in?
* this is a question ill hope you can give us answer to .
Do you notice how Jesus appeared to his disciples who had locked the doors, his actions transcends the physical realm, he appeared to them gram!, in a locked rooM!. yet until he showed them death dealing wound marks, that was when they believed they where swing the Lord.

brocab pls tell us
1. DOES SOME ONE FACE CHANGE WHEN HE OR SHE IS RESSURRECTED WITH THE SAME BODY HE OR SHE DIED IN?
2.DOES SOME ONE GETS RESSURRECTED WITH THE WOUND'S OR INJURIES THAT KILLED HIM?
If your assumptions are true, I bet during the ressurection, we will know those whose throut where slit, cus there will still be a gapping hole in there necks. and those whose brains where blown out will have a hole in their head, cus they will be resurrected with that same body!
before, I digress, let's further examine ya lie.
King James Version
Joh 21:4But when the morning was now come, Jesus stood on the shore: BUT THE DISCIPLES KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS Jesus.
john 21: 12 New International Version
Jesus said to them, "Come and have breakfast." None of the disciples dared ask him, "Who are you?" They knew it was the Lord.
even after seing Jesus after his resurrecting, after being with Jesus for years, they still do not recognize Jesus at first glance. If Jesus had been resurrected with the same body he had died in, the disciples will have no doubt, they wunt need to even bother to ask the question that dared not to ask, "who are you".
Jesus had just showed them who he is, it is left for us to understand that they still had issues with Jesus physical features, despite knowing that the person inviting theM to a meal is actually Jesus.

I for one believe that only spirits do appear and dissappear at will!
spirits can manifest physical bodies of any liking for any particular purpose, the scriptures is awash with such occurrences, they can even use it to have sex sef!
sir do you ever read the scriptures at all.
It says flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God!
human body is flesh and blood!
how then do you espect the king of gods kingdom to have flesh and blood while his Co rulers do not!
how do you expect the physical to rule in the spiritual realm.
brocab, Jesus was a spirit before he came to earth, was he not?
how come , you refuse him his spirit nature when he had accomplished the work he was sent to do here on earth?

CAPTIVATOR:
his glorified Messenger, Jesus Christ

Sarang:
Aside from Michael, no archangel is mentioned in the Bible, nor do the Scriptures use the term “archangel” in the plural. The Bible describes Michael as the archangel, implying that he alone bears that designation. Hence, it is reasonable to conclude that Jehovah God has delegated to one, and only one, of his heavenly creatures full authority over all other angels.

Aside from the Creator himself, only one faithful person is spoken of as having angels under subjection—namely, Jesus Christ.

The apostle Paul made specific mention of “the Lord Jesus” and “his powerful angels.” (2 Thessalonians 1:7) And Peter described the resurrected Jesus by saying: “He is at God’s right hand, for he went his way to heaven; and angels and authorities and powers were made subject to him.”—1 Peter 3:22.

While there is no statement in the Bible that categorically identifies Michael the archangel as Jesus, there is one scripture that links Jesus with the office of archangel.
In his letter to the Thessalonians, the apostle Paul prophesied: “The Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first.” (1 Thessalonians 4:16)
In this scripture Jesus is described as having assumed his power as God’s Messianic King. Yet, he speaks with “an archangel’s voice.” Note, too, that he has the power to raise the dead.

After his own resurrection, Jesus was raised to a “superior position” in heaven as a spirit creature. (Philippians 2:9) No longer a human, he has the voice of an archangel. So when God’s trumpet sounded the call for “those who are dead in union with Christ” to be raised to heaven, Jesus issued “a commanding call,” this time “with an archangel’s voice.” It is reasonable to conclude that only an archangel would call “with an archangel’s voice.”

Yes, there are other angelic creatures of high rank, such as seraphs and cherubs. (Genesis 3:24; Isaiah 6:2) Yet, the Scriptures point to the resurrected Jesus Christ as the chief of all angels—Michael the archangel.


I hope that this answers you.

dolphinheart:
sir I never said it was about the father na, neither did I said it was about God, pls read my post very very well before trying to degrade, because if you have taken time to go through it, you would not have said the above. I hope you will see the points listed their.

sorry that the other parts of my reply to the main post is taking time, will continue on it later. Just posted this to clear the wrong understandING up

CAPTIVATOR:
God , Christ and the angels are all spirit beings, thats their form.

dolphinheart:
then this question should not be too hard for you to answer
1.DOES JESUS HAVE A GOD AT THIS MOMENT?
2. DOES JESUS HAVE A GOD HE IS SUBJECTED TO AT THIS MOMENT?
3. CAN THE ALMIGHTY GOD HAVE A GOD?
4 . CAN THE ALMIGHTY GOD BE SUBJECTED TO ANYONE?
readers should take note and see if he answers


ONE WHAT!, and you answer should be surpported with the scriptures.
christians already know Jesus and the father are one, the same way jesus disciples will be one with both jesus and the father, but that does not make the disciples almighty God!
the father is greater than I am, Jesus said!



is the holy spirit mentioned in John 1:1?, wow! I kinda missed that, hope you are not spewing another lie!


pls always support your theories with scriptural proofs pls.



ha, so one person exists in the other two persons witout confusion or separation, likewise the other person's exists in the other two persons too.Haba, so who now is the person, is it the father , or the son, or the holy spirit, who now controls this three persons that is in one person that is now in the three persons! I bow for you o, no wonder it is difficult for me to work out.
brocab, that the father dwells in Jesus does not mean jesus is the father!
their relationship shows they are two seperate persons

I prefer this :
the father and jesus are distinguishable persons, each with a name.
when they are together, Stephen knew who was who and said so
when they where not together, the disciples knew who was who and distinguished them.
Jesus has said the father is his God and our God, I follow jesus example
jesus said the father is greater than he is , I believe Jesus
jesus does the will of the father, but he also has his own will.
there are record's of jesus talking to the father and the father talking to jesus, thus they are two seperate persons

therefore the question , which of these two persons is who was, who is and who is to come?
it has never been recorded that both of them are talking at the same time, so pls who is talking there? You can't both be correct cus jesus and the father are not the same person?
it seems you dnt even understand what the word person means!

brocab issues stiLl at hand:

issues at hand:
And yet no response from you on the issue you yourself raised?
also up till now , you have not answered these questions
(ill find that post and point it to you)
you have also refused to respond to these questions and scripture:
[b]Just tell us the name of the church you associate with, that you are a member of!. If possible you can include its official website, at least you surpport using technology in Gods work.
Tell us, do you know that Jesus Christ told someone that he has a God? And that statement was recorded in the kjv.? Can you tell us where this can be found?
If you can't answer this question brocab, then you dnt know the truth about Christ!.
Expecially. The one spoken by Jesus himself.
Examine this questions brocab 1. If you say one body, one spirit, was Jesus a spirit before he came to earth?
2. When Jesus was on earth, was the spirit in him his, the father or the holy spirit.?
3. After Jesus left the earth, did he remain in the body or became a spirit?
4. What does Jesus mean by " the father is greater than I am"
5. Why does Jesus say he is going to the father when you are trying to say he is spirit.
6. You asked a question, the answer is yes, but ill like to ask you, what about the soul, why did you remove the soul when fomulating your question.
You cannot answer if Jesus is the same person as the father.
brocab , readers will note(again) that you have NOT quoted and explained ANY of the following scriptures :
1.rev 1:1,6
2. Rev 3, 2,13
3. John 17:1-3
4. Heb 1:1 -9
5. John 20:17
6. 1 cor 11:3
7 . 1 ti 2 :5,6
8.Acts 4:10
9. Acts 2:36
10. Acts 2:24
11. Acts 5:30
12.Acts 10:38,40,43
11. Phil 2:9,11
12. john 14:6
13. Acts 4 : 26,27, 30
14. 1 john 4:14
15. Heb 5:7
16. ps 28:18
And a host of others
Brocab , examine these scripture
Acts 5: 31.
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
John 3:16.
For God so loved the world,
that he gave his only begotten
Son, that whosoever believeth
in him should not perish, but
have everlasting life.
Jesus is Gods only begotten son, Jesus is not God almighty!
YOU HAVE AGAIN ADDED LIES TO YOUR VIEWS.
Lets see if Jesus was recognizable to those who knew him:
[b]King James Version
Joh 20:14And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS Jesus!
King James Version
Joh 20:15Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? SHE SUPPOSING HIM TO BE THE GARGENER, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.
I dnt think the disciples would have been able to recognize Jesus more than Mary, she probably would have known Jesus from birth, and the picture of Jesus in her memory would have been sharper than a 100 mega pixel camera!
but here you are , lying again that Jesus was recognizable to those who knew him!
dnt you think Mary should have been able to recognise Jesus instantly if he had been raise in the same body he died in?
* this is a question ill hope you can give us answer to .
Do you notice how Jesus appeared to his disciples who had locked the doors, his actions transcends the physical realm, he appeared to them gram!, in a locked rooM!. yet until he showed them death dealing wound marks, that was when they believed they where swing the Lord.
brocab pls tell us
1. DOES SOME ONE FACE CHANGE WHEN HE OR SHE IS RESSURRECTED WITH THE SAME BODY HE OR SHE DIED IN?
2.DOES SOME ONE GETS RESSURRECTED WITH THE WOUND'S OR INJURIES THAT KILLED HIM?
If your assumptions are true, I bet during the ressurection, we will know those whose throut where slit, cus there will still be a gapping hole in there necks. and those whose brains where blown out will have a hole in their head, cus they will be resurrected with that same body!
before, I digress, let's further examine ya lie.
King James Version
Joh 21:4But when the morning was now come, Jesus stood on the shore: BUT THE DISCIPLES KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS Jesus.
john 21: 12 New International Version
Jesus said to them, "Come and have breakfast." None of the disciples dared ask him, "Who are you?" They knew it was the Lord.
even after seing Jesus after his resurrecting, after being with Jesus for years, they still do not recognize Jesus at first glance. If Jesus had been resurrected with the same body he had died in, the disciples will have no doubt, they wunt need to even bother to ask the question that dared not to ask, "who are you".
Jesus had just showed them who he is, it is left for us to understand that they still had issues with Jesus physical features, despite knowing that the person inviting theM to a meal is actually Jesus.
I for one believe that only spirits do appear and dissappear at will!
spirits can manifest physical bodies of any liking for any particular purpose, the scriptures is awash with such occurrences, they can even use it to have sex sef!
sir do you ever read the scriptures at all.
It says flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God!
human body is flesh and blood!
how then do you espect the king of gods kingdom to have flesh and blood while his Co rulers do not!
how do you expect the physical to rule in the spiritual realm.
brocab, Jesus was a spirit before he came to earth, was he not?
how come , you refuse him his spirit nature when he had accomplished the work he was sent to do here on earth?

dolphinheart:
it's not necessary you answer all at once, any one you answer will be released from the list.

I've been asking questions so as to get answers !


Lets exhaust this present and still mounting set of questions first!
I've noted the above , might bring it up again later

good, you can add this question to the others, or still better, use it to answer them!


meanwhile ,issues, questions and request still pending :
you said : "We have never denied Jesus has a God"

then this question should not be too hard for you to answer
1.DOES JESUS HAVE A GOD AT THIS MOMENT?
2. DOES JESUS HAVE A GOD HE IS SUBJECTED TO AT THIS MOMENT?
3. CAN THE ALMIGHTY GOD HAVE A GOD?
4 . CAN THE ALMIGHTY GOD BE SUBJECTED TO ANYONE?
readers should take note that he did not answer


..........................................

1. WRITTEN WHAAAT? pls point to what I've written and post it, anytime I say you said something, I endeavor to direct you to wheee and when you said it, so pls direct me and others to where I said " God and the Word is a two headed god"?
bunch of liars!

2. Brought what back to my attention, I know you desperately want him to bring those words he accused me of saying out, it pains you that he could not, hence you have to find alternatives!
..............................

And yet no response from you on the issue you yourself raised?
also up till now , you have not answered these questions
(ill find that post and point it to you)

......................................

you have also refused to respond to these questions and scripture:
[b]Just tell us the name of the church you associate with, that you are a member of!. If possible you can include its official website, at least you surpport using technology in Gods work.

Tell us, do you know that Jesus Christ told someone that he has a God? And that statement was recorded in the kjv.? Can you tell us where this can be found?
If you can't answer this question brocab, then you dnt know the truth about Christ!.
Expecially. The one spoken by Jesus himself.

Examine this questions brocab
1. If you say one body, one spirit, was Jesus a spirit before he came to earth?
2. When Jesus was on earth, was the spirit in him his, the father or the holy spirit.?
3. After Jesus left the earth, did he remain in the body or became a spirit?
4. What does Jesus mean by " the father is greater than I am"
5. Why does Jesus say he is going to the father when you are trying to say he is spirit.
6. You asked a question, the answer is yes, but ill like to ask you, what about the soul, why did you remove the soul when fomulating your question.

brocab , readers will note(again) that you have NOT quoted and explained ANY of the following scriptures :
1.rev 1:1,6
2. Rev 3, 2,13
3. John 17:1-3
4. Heb 1:1 -9
5. John 20:17
6. 1 cor 11:3
7 . 1 ti 2 :5,6
8.Acts 4:10
9. Acts 2:36
10. Acts 2:24
11. Acts 5:30
12.Acts 10:38,40,43
11. Phil 2:9,11
12. john 14:6
13. Acts 4 : 26,27, 30
14. 1 john 4:14
15. Heb 5:7
16. ps 28:18
17. 2 cor 1:3
18. Eph 1:3
19. 1 pet 1:3
20: 2Cor 8:6
21. 1 cor 15: 27,28

And a host of others
.............................................

Brocab , examine these scripture
Acts 5: 31.
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

John 3:16.
For God so loved the world,
that he gave his only begotten
Son, that whosoever believeth
in him should not perish, but
have everlasting life.
Jesus is Gods only begotten son, Jesus is not God almighty!
................................................


YOU HAVE AGAIN ADDED LIES TO YOUR VIEWS.
Lets see if Jesus was recognizable to those who knew him:
[b]King James Version
Joh 20:14And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS Jesus!
King James Version

Joh 20:15Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? SHE SUPPOSING HIM TO BE THE GARGENER, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.

I dnt think the disciples would have been able to recognize Jesus more than Mary, she probably would have known Jesus from birth, and the picture of Jesus in her memory would have been sharper than a 100 mega pixel camera!
but here you are , lying again that Jesus was recognizable to those who knew him!
dnt you think Mary should have been able to recognise Jesus instantly if he had been raise in the same body he died in?
* this is a question ill hope you can give us answer to .
Do you notice how Jesus appeared to his disciples who had locked the doors, his actions transcends the physical realm, he appeared to them gram!, in a locked rooM!. yet until he showed them death dealing wound marks, that was when they believed they where swing the Lord.

brocab pls tell us
1. DOES SOME ONE FACE CHANGE WHEN HE OR SHE IS RESSURRECTED WITH THE SAME BODY HE OR SHE DIED IN?
2.DOES SOME ONE GETS RESSURRECTED WITH THE WOUND'S OR INJURIES THAT KILLED HIM?
If your assumptions are true, I bet during the ressurection, we will know those whose throut where slit, cus there will still be a gapping hole in there necks. and those whose brains where blown out will have a hole in their head, cus they will be resurrected with that same body!
before, I digress, let's further examine ya lie.
King James Version
Joh 21:4But when the morning was now come, Jesus stood on the shore: BUT THE DISCIPLES KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS Jesus.
john 21: 12 New International Version
Jesus said to them, "Come and have breakfast." None of the disciples dared ask him, "Who are you?" They knew it was the Lord.
even after seing Jesus after his resurrecting, after being with Jesus for years, they still do not recognize Jesus at first glance. If Jesus had been resurrected with the same body he had died in, the disciples will have no doubt, they wunt need to even bother to ask the question that dared not to ask, "who are you".
Jesus had just showed them who he is, it is left for us to understand that they still had issues with Jesus physical features, despite knowing that the person inviting theM to a meal is actually Jesus.

I for one believe that only spirits do appear and dissappear at will!
spirits can manifest physical bodies of any liking for any particular purpose, the scriptures is awash with such occurrences, they can even use it to have sex sef!
sir do you ever read the scriptures at all.
It says flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God!
human body is flesh and blood!
how then do you espect the king of gods kingdom to have flesh and blood while his Co rulers do not!
how do you expect the physical to rule in the spiritual realm.
brocab, Jesus was a spirit before he came to earth, was he not?
how come , you refuse him his spirit nature when he had accomplished the work he was sent to do here on earth?

dolphinheart:
then this question should not be too hard for you to answer
1.DOES JESUS HAVE A GOD AT THIS MOMENT?
2. DOES JESUS HAVE A GOD HE IS SUBJECTED TO AT THIS MOMENT?
3. CAN THE ALMIGHTY GOD HAVE A GOD?
4 . CAN THE ALMIGHTY GOD BE SUBJECTED TO ANYONE?
readers should take note and see if he answers


ONE WHAT!, and you answer should be surpported with the scriptures.
christians already know Jesus and the father are one, the same way jesus disciples will be one with both jesus and the father, but that does not make the disciples almighty God!
the father is greater than I am, Jesus said!



is the holy spirit mentioned in John 1:1?, wow! I kinda missed that, hope you are not spewing another lie!


pls always support your theories with scriptural proofs pls.



ha, so one person exists in the other two persons witout confusion or separation, likewise the other person's exists in the other two persons too.Haba, so who now is the person, is it the father , or the son, or the holy spirit, who now controls this three persons that is in one person that is now in the three persons! I bow for you o, no wonder it is difficult for me to work out.
brocab, that the father dwells in Jesus does not mean jesus is the father!
their relationship shows they are two seperate persons

I prefer this :
the father and jesus are distinguishable persons, each with a name.
when they are together, Stephen knew who was who and said so
when they where not together, the disciples knew who was who and distinguished them.
Jesus has said the father is his God and our God, I follow jesus example
jesus said the father is greater than he is , I believe Jesus
jesus does the will of the father, but he also has his own will.
there are record's of jesus talking to the father and the father talking to jesus, thus they are two seperate persons

therefore the question , which of these two persons is who was, who is and who is to come?
it has never been recorded that both of them are talking at the same time, so pls who is talking there? You can't both be correct cus jesus and the father are not the same person?
it seems you dnt even understand what the word person means!

brocab issues stiLl at hand:

issues at hand:
And yet no response from you on the issue you yourself raised?
also up till now , you have not answered these questions
(ill find that post and point it to you)
you have also refused to respond to these questions and scripture:
[b]Just tell us the name of the church you associate with, that you are a member of!. If possible you can include its official website, at least you surpport using technology in Gods work.
Tell us, do you know that Jesus Christ told someone that he has a God? And that statement was recorded in the kjv.? Can you tell us where this can be found?
If you can't answer this question brocab, then you dnt know the truth about Christ!.
Expecially. The one spoken by Jesus himself.
Examine this questions brocab 1. If you say one body, one spirit, was Jesus a spirit before he came to earth?
2. When Jesus was on earth, was the spirit in him his, the father or the holy spirit.?
3. After Jesus left the earth, did he remain in the body or became a spirit?
4. What does Jesus mean by " the father is greater than I am"
5. Why does Jesus say he is going to the father when you are trying to say he is spirit.
6. You asked a question, the answer is yes, but ill like to ask you, what about the soul, why did you remove the soul when fomulating your question.
You cannot answer if Jesus is the same person as the father.
brocab , readers will note(again) that you have NOT quoted and explained ANY of the following scriptures :
1.rev 1:1,6
2. Rev 3, 2,13
3. John 17:1-3
4. Heb 1:1 -9
5. John 20:17
6. 1 cor 11:3
7 . 1 ti 2 :5,6
8.Acts 4:10
9. Acts 2:36
10. Acts 2:24
11. Acts 5:30
12.Acts 10:38,40,43
11. Phil 2:9,11
12. john 14:6
13. Acts 4 : 26,27, 30
14. 1 john 4:14
15. Heb 5:7
16. ps 28:18
And a host of others
Brocab , examine these scripture
Acts 5: 31.
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
John 3:16.
For God so loved the world,
that he gave his only begotten
Son, that whosoever believeth
in him should not perish, but
have everlasting life.
Jesus is Gods only begotten son, Jesus is not God almighty!
YOU HAVE AGAIN ADDED LIES TO YOUR VIEWS.
Lets see if Jesus was recognizable to those who knew him:
[b]King James Version
Joh 20:14And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS Jesus!
King James Version
Joh 20:15Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? SHE SUPPOSING HIM TO BE THE GARGENER, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.
I dnt think the disciples would have been able to recognize Jesus more than Mary, she probably would have known Jesus from birth, and the picture of Jesus in her memory would have been sharper than a 100 mega pixel camera!
but here you are , lying again that Jesus was recognizable to those who knew him!
dnt you think Mary should have been able to recognise Jesus instantly if he had been raise in the same body he died in?
* this is a question ill hope you can give us answer to .
Do you notice how Jesus appeared to his disciples who had locked the doors, his actions transcends the physical realm, he appeared to them gram!, in a locked rooM!. yet until he showed them death dealing wound marks, that was when they believed they where swing the Lord.
brocab pls tell us
1. DOES SOME ONE FACE CHANGE WHEN HE OR SHE IS RESSURRECTED WITH THE SAME BODY HE OR SHE DIED IN?
2.DOES SOME ONE GETS RESSURRECTED WITH THE WOUND'S OR INJURIES THAT KILLED HIM?
If your assumptions are true, I bet during the ressurection, we will know those whose throut where slit, cus there will still be a gapping hole in there necks. and those whose brains where blown out will have a hole in their head, cus they will be resurrected with that same body!
before, I digress, let's further examine ya lie.
King James Version
Joh 21:4But when the morning was now come, Jesus stood on the shore: BUT THE DISCIPLES KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS Jesus.
john 21: 12 New International Version
Jesus said to them, "Come and have breakfast." None of the disciples dared ask him, "Who are you?" They knew it was the Lord.
even after seing Jesus after his resurrecting, after being with Jesus for years, they still do not recognize Jesus at first glance. If Jesus had been resurrected with the same body he had died in, the disciples will have no doubt, they wunt need to even bother to ask the question that dared not to ask, "who are you".
Jesus had just showed them who he is, it is left for us to understand that they still had issues with Jesus physical features, despite knowing that the person inviting theM to a meal is actually Jesus.
I for one believe that only spirits do appear and dissappear at will!
spirits can manifest physical bodies of any liking for any particular purpose, the scriptures is awash with such occurrences, they can even use it to have sex sef!
sir do you ever read the scriptures at all.
It says flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God!
human body is flesh and blood!
how then do you espect the king of gods kingdom to have flesh and blood while his Co rulers do not!
how do you expect the physical to rule in the spiritual realm.
brocab, Jesus was a spirit before he came to earth, was he not?
how come , you refuse him his spirit nature when he had accomplished the work he was sent to do here on earth?

dolphinheart:
you have now added defamation of character to your traits, continu!

but meanwhile , these are the issues at hand:


WRITTEN WHAAAT? pls point to what I've written and post it, anytime I say you said something, I endeavor to direct you to wheee and when you said it, so pls direct me and others to where I said " God and the Word is a two headed god"?

bunch of liars!


Brought what back to my attention, I know you desperately want him to bring those words he accused me of saying out, it pains you that he could not, hence you have to find alternatives!



1. You gave scriptures that do not say what you are trying to tell us they mean, when you gave those scriptures , I told you what they mean, using other scriptures to explain them, I did not run away from those scriptures and I did not rebuke them.

2. When I explain these scriptures to you, once you see the truth of it, all you do is try and change the topic or refuse to reply, most times I had to repeat my post, but you refuse to respond, I'll continue to post those scriptures, questions and request you refuse to respond to

3. I've shown you scriptures telling you about who Jesus is and his relationship to his father, yet you could not respond



issues at hand:
[b]And yet no response from you on the issue you yourself raised?
also up till now , you have not answered these questions
(ill find that post and point it to you)

you have also refused to respond to these questions and scripture:

[b]Just tell us the name of the church you associate with, that you are a member of!. If possible you can include its official website, at least you surpport using technology in Gods work. 

Tell us, do you know that Jesus Christ told someone that he has a God? And that statement was recorded in the kjv.? Can you tell us where this can be found?
If you can't answer this question brocab, then you dnt know the truth about Christ!. 
Expecially. The one spoken by Jesus himself.

Examine this questions brocab 1. If you say one body, one spirit, was Jesus a spirit before he came to earth? 
2. When Jesus was on earth, was the spirit in him his, the father or the holy spirit.?
3. After Jesus left the earth, did he remain in the body or became a spirit? 
4. What does Jesus mean by " the father is greater than I am" 
5. Why does Jesus say he is going to the father when you are trying to say he is spirit. 
6. You asked a question, the answer is yes, but ill like to ask you, what about the soul, why did you remove the soul when fomulating your question.

You cannot answer if Jesus is the same person as the father.

brocab , readers will note(again) that you have NOT quoted and explained ANY of the following scriptures :

1.rev 1:1,6
2. Rev 3, 2,13
3. John 17:1-3
4. Heb 1:1 -9 
5. John 20:17
6. 1 cor 11:3 
7 . 1 ti 2 :5,6
8.Acts 4:10
9. Acts 2:36
10. Acts 2:24
11. Acts 5:30
12.Acts 10:38,40,43
11. Phil 2:9,11 
12. john 14:6 
13. Acts 4 : 26,27, 30
14. 1 john 4:14
15. Heb 5:7 
16. ps 28:18

And a host of others

Brocab , examine these scripture 
Acts 5: 31.
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
John 3:16.
For God so loved the world,
that he gave his only begotten
Son, that whosoever believeth
in him should not perish, but
have everlasting life.

Jesus is Gods only begotten son, Jesus is not God almighty!


YOU HAVE AGAIN ADDED LIES TO YOUR VIEWS.
Lets see if jesus was recognizable to those who knew him:

King James Version
Joh 20:14And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS JESUS!

King James Version
Joh 20:15Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? SHE SUPPOSING HIM TO BE THE GARGENER, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.

I dnt think the disciples would have been able to recognize Jesus more than Mary, she probably would have known jesus from birth, and the picture of jesus in her memory would have been sharper than a 100 mega pixel camera!

but here you are , lying again that Jesus was recognizable to those who knew him!
dnt you think Mary should have been able to recognise jesus instantly if he had been raise in the same body he died in?
* this is a question ill hope you can give us answer to .

Do you notice how jesus appeared to his disciples who had locked the doors, his actions transcends the physical realm, he appeared to them gram!, in a locked rooM!. yet until he showed them death dealing wound marks, that was when they believed they where swing the Lord.

brocab pls tell us
1. DOES SOME ONE FACE CHANGE WHEN HE OR SHE IS RESSURRECTED WITH THE SAME BODY HE OR SHE DIED IN?

2.DOES SOME ONE GETS RESSURRECTED WITH THE WOUND'S OR INJURIES THAT KILLED HIM?
If your assumptions are true, I bet during the ressurection, we will know those whose throut where slit, cus there will still be a gapping hole in there necks. and those whose brains where blown out will have a hole in their head, cus they will be resurrected with that same body!

before, I digress, let's further examine ya lie.
King James Version
Joh 21:4But when the morning was now come, Jesus stood on the shore: BUT THE DISCIPLES KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS JESUS.

john 21: 12 New International Version
Jesus said to them, "Come and have breakfast." None of the disciples dared ask him, "Who are you?" They knew it was the Lord.
even after seing jesus after his resurrecting, after being with jesus for years, they still do not recognize Jesus at first glance. If jesus had been resurrected with the same body he had died in, the disciples will have no doubt, they wunt need to even bother to ask the question that dared not to ask, "who are you".
Jesus had just showed them who he is, it is left for us to understand that they still had issues with jesus physical features, despite knowing that the person inviting theM to a meal is actually jesus.

I for one believe that only spirits do appear and dissappear at will!

spirits can manifest physical bodies of any liking for any particular purpose, the scriptures is awash with such occurrences, they can even use it to have sex sef!


sir do you ever read the scriptures at all.
It says flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God!
human body is flesh and blood!
how then do you espect the king of gods kingdom to have flesh and blood while his Co rulers do not!
how do you expect the physical to rule in the spiritual realm.

brocab, Jesus was a spirit before he came to earth, was he not?
how come , you refuse him his spirit nature when he had accomplished the work he was sent to do here on earth?

dolphinheart:
for the benefit of others reading this thread, I'll show brocab again that I indeed explain
rev 1:1,4-8, rev 3: 11 and heb 1:9, and that I added his name so that he would not claim He did not see it(this I will do in subsequent posts)
For months I've asked him to quote and explain some of those scriptures, he vehemently refused to do so!

PLS NOTICE AGAIN IF HE WILL RESPOND TO THE SCRIPTURES AND QUESTIONS FORWARDED TO HIM IN THOSE POSTS



always add scriptures sir, first tell us where you got that from.



we will soon know who is lying!


like I told you the last time, pls show scripture where you got the above from, and I'll quote it and explain it to you!

MEANWHILE, HE SAID :


I asked him :
"you are a liar brocab, tell us, whO did I tell you the Alpha and omega is, and who does the organization tell you it is.?"

HE HAS DECIDED TO RAMBLE RATHER THAN ANSWER THE QUESTION.

HE HAS DECIDED NOT TO RESPOND TO THIS TOO:

"BUT YOU BROCAB, DO NOT KNOW WHO IS, WHO WAS, WHO IS COMING, you claim it is Jesus, and solite3 has said it's the father .
is solite3 right and are you wrong or are you right and he is wrong, pls TELL US.
IS JESUS THE SAME PERSON AS THE FATHER?"

Jozzy4:
What! See rotten speech coming out from a so - called christian.

You need serious help. *sighs*

Jozzy4:
Stop deceving yourself, the apostles make it clear that Jesus is not the God of their forefathers . they are jews , so they know what they are saying:

" The God of our fathers raised up Jesus , whom you killed, having hanged Him on a tree." Act 5:30

Continue deceiving yourself.

dolphinheart:
READERS SHOULD HAVE BY NOW NOTICED THE NEW LIE OF HIS AND CHECK TO SEE THAT HE DID NOT PROVID PROOF NOR DID HE ANSWER THE QUESTION

HE SAID :


I asked him :
"you are a liar brocab, tell us, whO did I tell you the Alpha and omega is, and who does the organization tell you it is.?"

HE HAS DECIDED TO RAMBLE RATHER THAN ANSWER
THE QUESTION.


WHere did I post this first page that you could not catch?, brocab, you are desperately trying to divert the questions I raised again, with the hope of not answering it

here it is again:
BUT YOU BROCAB, DO NOT KNOW WHO IS, WHO WAS, WHO IS COMING, you claim it is Jesus, and solite3 has said it's the father .

is solite3 right and are you wrong or are you right and he is wrong, pls TELL US.
IS JESUS THE SAME PERSONS AS THE FATHER?


I've explained rev 1:7,8 , rev 1:1,4-6, heb 1:9 and rev 3:2,12, I mentioned you several times in each post, so dnt act as if you did not see it!


provide scripture in which you quoted this from!, I'll quote it and explain it to you .

johnw74:
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Mat 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
Mat 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Isa 48:16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me.

1Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

solite3:
i don't understand your rant, I never told you those manuscripts were wrong I only emphasized that if those manuscripts were not the original and also many of those manuscripts do not even contain some chapters in revelations along with missing verses and considering the few number of manuscripts available combined with the history surrounding the canonisation of the book of revelation in general any sane person would not raise accusation as you are doing. It's like saying everybody in Nigeria are black only because Mr A, B, C are black. Scholars are only speaking base on the so called best available manuscripts we have today.

johnw74:
Christians know that God and the Word is God

false jw preach that God and the word are two gods, Almighty God and mighty god
Isa 44:8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.

Christians know that God is one
false jw obviously don't believe it (above)

Christians know the one true God is: God and the Word and the Holy spirit, three persons, one God
false jw will never understand it, they don't have and cannot have a personal relationship with God, they think His Spirit is just His power,
Duh, God is Spirit, He is not just a power.





This is interisting brocab:

Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

The original word “Elohim,” God, is certainly the plural form of “El,” or “Eloah,” and has long been supposed, by the most eminently learned and pious men, to imply a plurality of Persons in the Divine nature. As this plurality appears in so many parts of the sacred writings to be confined to three Persons, hence the doctrine of the Trinity, which has formed a part of the creed of all those who have been deemed sound in the faith, from the earliest ages of Christianity. Nor are the Christians singular in receiving this doctrine, and in deriving it from the first words of Divine revelation.

(Shema Yisrael, Yehowah, Elohainoo, Yehowah aichod.)
"Hear, Israel, Jehovah, our God, is one Jehovah."
On this passage the Jews lay great stress; and it is one of the four passages which they write on their phylacteries.
An eminent Jewish rabbi, Simeon ben Joachi, in his comment on the sixth section of Leviticus, has these remarkable words:
On the word Elohim, Simeon ben Joachi says: "Come and see the mystery of the word Elohim. There are three degrees, and each degree is by itself alone, and yet they are all one, and joined together in one, and are not divided from each other."See Ainsworth. He must be strangely prejudiced indeed who cannot see that the doctrine of a Trinity, and of a Trinity in unity, is expressed in the above words.

If you can prove God isn't talking about Jesus, then I suppose your answers may go to the top of the chart of no-man's land. This will be interesting...

dolphinheart:
BUT YOU BROCAB, DO NOT KNOW WHO IS, WHO WAS, WHO IS COMING, you claim it is Jesus, and solite3 has said it's the father .

is solite3 right and are you wrong or are you right and he is wrong, pls TELL US.
IS JESUS THE SAME PERSONS AS THE FATHER?


be truthful sir! and stop Tryin to use words to confuse people, " who is coming" is a different sentence from "who is coming back", stop trying to merge them to create a false idea!

its good to note that you have contributed nothing to the issue of the Textus Receptus and revelation 1:11
you are trying to bring up the issue of rev 1:7,8 again, but then I posted it's understanding to you, you could not respond, dnt worry, I'll repost it soon.





you are a liar brocab, tell us, whO did I tell you the Alpha and omega is, and who does the organization tell you it is.?

READERS SHOULD PLS NOTICE THIS NEW LIE OF HIS AND CHECK IF HE WILL PRO DID PROOF OR ANSWER THE QUESTION



READERS SHOULD NOTE THAT AFTER MONTHS OF ASKING HIM, HE REFUSES TO TELL US THE NAME OF HIS CHURCH OR THE ORGANIZATION HE ASSOCIATES WITH.
HE COULD NOT EVEN PROVIDE IT'S WEBSITE.

dolphinheart:
I've read your posts, I've even quoted them, unlike you who had abandoned some of my recent posts to you cus it contains questions you dnt want to answer.
I've told you and repeated it over and over again, there are no issues with Revelation 1:11 in manuscripts containing that verse!. because of these, you have decided to generalize the issue under discussion, expanding the discussion to include the whole book of Revelation, when all we are discussing is just a single verse!
that you cannot find flaws with the manuscripts redering of rev: 11 makes it imperative to believe that the Textus Receptus added those words "Alpha and omega" when it was compiling itself hundreds of years later. You could not even provide the source of the words added to that verse by the Textus Receptus!

I've given you 4 facts about that verse now, you could not disprove any.
You refuse to accept the words of that verse as recorded in the older and more reliable manuscripts, claimING the book of revelation had flaws. but you accept the verse in the test us Receptus , even when scholars and even it's own author agree that it had flaws. you assume this double standards just to protect a false doctrine.

The first verse of Revelation had set a precedent for you to use to examine the whole book, it tells you that "God gave jesus" the revelation , God did not give himself, Jesus did not give himself, it was God who have jesus the Revelation. God ( in the book of revelation)and Jesus are not the same person!
verse 4-6 also clears who is who in the Book of revaluation, it helps us to understand that the one who is, who was, and who is coming is different from Jesus Christ.

brocab says it's jesus, you say it's the father, yet you refuse to discuss and tell the whole world who is right and who is wrong!

to make sure that you dnt confuse yourself on who the al mighty God is, Jesus told you severaly in that book that he has a God! , using the words " my God " several times in that book. I ve several times asked if the almighty can have a god superior to him, cus jesus had now indicated when he was in heaven, when he came to earth, and when he back in heaven that he has a God! he did not just call that God "a God ", he said "my God", "your god" , "the only true god".

All this facts are presented to you in the Book of Revelation, you could not discuss any of them, but you choose to believe a verse from the Textus Receptus that you can't defend, that you can't show where the Textus Receptus got it from! that majority of scholars have shown to be spurious, that can't be found even in translations of the authors that surpport trinity.

lastly, even if you would not answer the questions being posted to you several times , pls van you tell us the name of your church or organization you associate with at the moment?