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JMAN05:
You do have patience for people like that. Though others might benefit frm ur comments sha, nt jst him.

How are u man? If u have time u hala me for my email. Want us to discuss something.

Joshthefirst:
Sorry, I was replying with regards to a certain statement he made:



I was trying to show him God collected much more than 10% from widows, so his point is null.

People mostly dealt in farming back then. Will you now tell me that you aren't supposed to tithe because you're not a farmer? Weak point.

dolphinheart:
that's a lie, and that's why you can't tell if jesus is same person as the father or if jesus is same person as Jehovah. Jehovah is the almighty God, the supreme being who told Jesus to sit at his right side, the God of Jesus! heb 1:9

dolphinheart:
you are lying!, they do not call anyone names. Being expelled is not a public thing, you will only be disfellowshipped if it's proven that you deliberately commit those sins and show no signs of Repentance. stop lying brocab, it does not help!
you say you read the bible, yet you dnt know the process of expelling a deliberate wrongdoer from the congregation. I can bet your church allows every form of Sin, if not, pls tell us what your church does to someone that is a fornicator! If you can't ,then leave those who follow the scriptures guidelines alone.!

If they truly found Christ, they should be happy they where expelled right? But that's not the case as they keep on ranting ang complaining about why and how they where expelled! most cant even mention the church they attend to find their Christ.

dolphinheart:
who are "others"?


non of them do what!!!?
good you agree that their actions have Scriptural backings, they are not theories!


1 cor 5:12
King James Version
For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?



without reason? I gave you two with Scriptural backing, guess you did not see it as usual.
you think I twisted the scriptures(even when I quoted straight from the KJv)and yet(as usual) you refused to tell us your understanding of what the scriptures I quoted is saying.


good you understand why they expell unrepentant sinners from their midst.
sentiments are not to considered when keeping Jehovahs organization clean!
bet you would have complained and say God is causing family division if your brother, son or parent had been one of the 23 thousand(1 cor 10:28)


are fornicators, drunkards and Idolaters innocent in your own eyes? are you saying they should shun Scriptural injunctions on how the congregation handle such one among them?

now can you add reason to your understanding of the scriptures and tell us how such ones should be handled?(I'm betting you can't do that)



What are this doctrines?, verse 3 of that same john says:
Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.

so if you bring a different doctrine other than the fact that Jesus is the son of the father, for example saying that Jesus is Jehovah, I will not accept you.
does the doctrine that that Jehovah’s withnesses bring to your doorstep align with what John was talking about? yes! , so it is not wrong doctrine.
I've been quoting from the word of God since and not the Watchtower, Jehovah witnesses do not tell you not to read the scriptures rather they encourage you to so, they are always with a bible when you see them at your doorstep, therefore your accusation is both mischievous and false!.


brocab, no one calls anyone names, a fornicator is a fornicator, if he or she did not commit the sin with good evidence to show it, he or she will not be expelled. and that same person will be warmly welcomed back if he or she is truly repentant.


pls tell me just one organization that you think does the will of God as directed by the scriptures.? If you can't, then you have answered your question yourself.

Jehovahs witnesses have proven over time, that no matter who you are, be it a superstar or the richest man, you will be expelled if you deliberately commit sin and show no sign of Repentance!

dolphinheart:
never said the scriptures where false, it is your teachings which is as a result of a deliberate wrong understanding of the scriptures and a deliberate refusal to read and accept what the scriptures I quoted says are what I said to be false.


false teachings, no wonder you could not answer if jesus is Jehovah or if jesus is also the father!
thought that you are Tryin to prove that Jesus is the almighty God!

Joshthefirst:
Notice you didn't address my points with scripture of your own, but simply ranted nonsense and called me a liar.

I'll only say three things and give you some advice after that until you can come up with formal scriptural defense against me:

1. God collected more than tithe from the poor widow in the new testament. He collected everything she had.

[b]Mark 12
42 And there came a certain poor widow, and she threw in two mites, which make a farthing. note

43 And he called unto him his disciples, and saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That this poor widow hath cast more in, than all they which have cast into the treasury:

44 For all they did cast in of their abundance; but she of her want did cast in all that she had, even all her living.
^^^^^
Scripture didn't say Jesus told the woman to return it, scripture gives the notion that he praised the woman's sacrificial giving.



2. Elijah demanded for more than 10% from the widow of zarephath. He took the last meal of herself and her son.


[b]
1 Kings 17
12 And she said, As the LORD thy God liveth, I have not a cake, but an handful of meal in a barrel, and a little oil in a cruse: and, behold, I am gathering two sticks, that I may go in and dress it for me and my son, that we may eat it, and die.

13 And Elijah said unto her, Fear not; go and do as thou hast said: but make me thereof a little cake first, and bring it unto me, and after make for thee and for thy son.

Note that these are cases of poor widows. But they didn't find the call to give their all an insult to or from God. They were willing and they were blessed.


My advice to you is to give your tithes and stop withholding blessings from yourself and your family. Your words show me you're a man who doesn't know how to apply the principle of giving in his life.

dolphinheart:
here is another one.
If you read the scriptures, you would not have brought these up.

rev 2:5
King James Version
Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.

brocab, Jehovahs witnesses dnt want their candlestick removed!

1 cor 5:5,6
King James Version
To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?

brocab, bad things when not nipped in the bud quickly can affect the whole congregation!
little leaven ferments the whole batch of dough.

If you read the scriptures, you must have come across these verses.

1 cor 5:9-13
King James Version
[b]I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators: But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

1Co 6:9,10
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

2Th 3:6
Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.

2Th 3:14
And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.

2 Johnverse 10,11
If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.[/b]

If you read the scriptures, you wunt be talking about people expelled and how they are treated. Jehovahs witnesses always strive to keep the congregation clean in the eyes of Jehovah, despite their imperfect state. compare their actions with that of other churches who will not expell someone because he is rich and contributes money to the church.

Jehovahs witnesses warmly welcome back an individual who have shown genuine repentance and has made effort to leave his or her bad ways!

dolphinheart:
the fear of knowing that one's doctrines are false will not make you examine the scriptures I quoted for you to read. If you have read those scriptures, you would have known who jesus is. But you dnt want the scriptures to tell you who jesus is, you want to devise and create your own jesus using false statement and wrongly understood scripture.
you quoted rev 1:8 (While abandoning the previous verses on jesus), did you see the name "jesus" mentioned therein?.
your thinking that two people are automatically the same person just because they used the same title is a totally wrong analogy. its used by those who are trying to ascribe a false doctrine into the scriptures through derived analogy, these is despite the fact that the scriptures has specifically mentioned in numerous places the relationship between the one seated on the throne and his servant jesus.


the above is false. Jesus is not Jehovah.!


false teachings!


you will always not understand the scriptures as long as you refuse to see what it tells you, as you only want to see what you believe in. I only use the scriptures in replying your post not because of you, cus I know you wunt read them, but because of others who want to know the truth.
you say I'm condemned, that's not according to John 17:1-3.
brocab, go and have knowledge about the only true God,Jehovah, and the one he sent, Jesus christ.

sunnykiss:
MY FELLOW AFRICAN BROTHERS ,


I BELIVE THAT OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST WAS NOT WHITE ,

SO WHAT IS YOUR VIEW ON THIS , LET ME KNOW , JESUS WAS FROM A LINAGE OF THE ESENE JEW WHO WERE ORIGINALLY FROM ABBYSLNNA-- ETHIOPIA , WHICH MIGRATED TO THE PRESENT REGION WHEER THE JEWS ARE NOW, TILL TODAY

SO WHAT MAKES JESUS WHITE?, PAITING OF MICHEAL ANGELO AND THE WHITE PEOPLE SUPREMACY TO BLIND BLACKS TO TELL THEM THEY ARE MONKEYS, ALSO,

ADAM AND EVER WERE NOT EVEN WHITE , WHAT A BRAINWASH ALL THESE WHILE,

Joshthefirst:
No. That tithing was not an example of a freewill offering. It was specifically called a tithe by Paul in Hebrews.

Here it is.

Hebrews 7:6
But he whose descent is not counted from them received titheS of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.

Note it was tithes, not even a tithe. Abraham may have given a tithe on more than one occasion.

And as for tithing never mentioned to believers in the new testament, read further down in the same passage to verse 8:

Hebrews 7:8 And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.


If he lives, who received tithes from Abraham, what stops him from receiving tithes from us? The Seed of Abraham, Children of the most high God. What stops us from giving our tithes and receiving his blessings also?

See?

It happened before the old covenant, so it wasn't done away with the old covenant. It is an eternal principle in God's kingdom.

Try it and see God's blessings even more in your life brother.

dolphinheart:
and I've shown you the fruitlessness of that endeavor. you cant tell why the KJv, (the translation you approve of) use the word "jehovah" in some places and refuse to use it in others, you now want to go into the NWT. Again I'll advise you to use the NWT as a translation when studying God's word, and leave this unrealistic project of yours.


yes, the NWT spells it out quite clearly that only Jehovah is the almighty God!

I read the scriptures out to you, you will not see it cus you are desperate to find fault with anything Jehovah Witnesses. you will not accept or tell the world what you understand by John words recorded in rev 1:1 . I even quoted from the KJv so that you would not say I twisted the scriptures. The KJv tells you that Jesus has a God and Father!
does the scriptures say Jehovah is almighty God! yes.

Ge 17:1
When Aʹbram was 99 years old, Jehovah appeared to Aʹbram and said to him: “I am God Almighty. Walk before me and prove yourself faultless.


you can't be interested cus it calls you out as a liar and propagator of false unbiblical teachings. that's why at every opportunity you prefer to talk about mundane things rather than using the scriptures as the basis of your discussion.



I have told you several times who jesus is, the scriptures says he is a God! A mighty God!, but he is not the almighty God! as the father, our father, is his God and thus superior to him. Jesus has always remained, in heaven, on earth and back in heaven, a loyal servant of the almighty God.
Jesus is not Jehovah and Jehovah holds that position as ALMIGHTY GOD! it is this God that Jesus called the only true God, his father, our God, the one he told Satan we should worship, the one he prayed to, the one who sent him to us and anointed him as the Christ.




simply tell us, is jesus Jehovah? is jesus the same person as the father? the answers to that question will help you a lot.

King James Version
1Jo 4:14
And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.

acts 4:12
Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

read the scriptures to find understand brocad. do not read it to find fault using human wisdom.

dolphinheart:
no, marriages are not determined by the location or religious preference of the people, but by those who got married.

the answer is no, you are still legally married even though you are no more part of the organization. There is nothing like wedlock of the church in Jehovahs witneses. its a religious power used by the churches of christendom to determine if a marriage is acceptable to them or not.

Realcash224:
I joined jeovah withness in year 1997. Although, i am know a member of a particular church. I cherich their dotrine which include; 1. No tithe or any form of offering. 2. No to flamboyant funeral service. 3. Any member who engage in any sexual intercourse outside the wedlock will be expelled. 4. Say no to any form of blood transmission even at the point of death. 5. If you stranded in any city and you are Lucky to locate any member, you will treated as a king.

dolphinheart:
studying the new world translation? what are you studying there? searching for mistakes?

you that can't tell why the king James Bible use the name of God in some verses and refused to use it where it occurs in other verses now want to study the new world translation. I'll advise you abandon that mission and use the NWT to study the word of God.



you have failed to tell us if jesus and Jehovah are the same person, you are now trying to say their view is wrong.




Lets start from verse one which busts your argument right from the start.

rev 1: 1
New World Translation
A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he sent his angel and presented it in signs through him to his slave John,

King James Version
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John

did you read the verse above? did you read the underlined that says God gave the Revelation to jesus ? This statement would not have been possible if God (in these verse) and jesus are the same person.

let's continue with verse 2
who bore witness to the word God gave and to the witness Jesus Christ gave, yes, to all the things he saw.

King James Version
Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.

can you see here again that the writer seperated jesus from God!

now let's read from verse 4-6 before we now go into the verse 7 and 8 you mentioned

rev 1:4-6
New World Translation
John to the seven congregations that are in the province of Asia: May you have undeserved kindness and peace from “the One who is and who was and who is coming,” and from the seven spirits that are before his throne,
5[u]and from Jesus Christ,[/u] “the Faithful Witness,” “the firstborn from the dead,” and “the Ruler of the kings of the earth.” To him who loves us and who set us free from our sins by means of his own blood.
6and he made us to be a kingdom, [u]priests to his God and Father—[/u]yes, to him be the glory and the might forever. Amen

King James Version
4John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;
5And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
6And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

brocab, did you read these scriptures? do you understand what it tells you?
did you read in verse 4 and 5 that John was telling us about two persons, one who sits on the throne and the one he used to save us?

did you read in verse 6 that the one who washed our sins with his own blood(which me and you know as jesus) HAS A GOD AND FATHER!

If you had not noticed what these scriptures is telling you, pls go back and read it, and if you still do not see it and acknowledge it! everyone would know who you are as someone whose aim is to destroy and not to build even when the truth and materials to build is right in front of him.

You have left the glaring introduction done by John in verse 1 to 6 so that you can attempt to find fault with verse 7 and 8.

JEHOVAH IS THE ALMIGHTY GOD, THE TRUE GOD, THE SUPREME ONE, THE GOD AND FATHER OF JESUS CHRIST. JEHOVAH IS OUR GOD.!



will tell you the truth and more on these if you can tell us if jesus is the same person as Jehovah!

jesus still has a God and Father when he went back to heaven

missBanks:
The world is already referring to Pope Francis as the coolest and most progressive pope of all time but there may be evidence that he's also a super hero.
According to a source who spoke to Huffington post, Pope dresses up at night as a batman or superhero-esque and leaves the Vatican to save the souls of homeless people.

A recent interview with Archbishop Konrad Krajewski, the "Almoner of His Holiness," raised speculation that the Pope joins him on his nightly trips into Rome to give alms to the poor, and it turns out that the rumors are probably true.
A knowledgable source in Rome told The Huffington Post that "Swiss guards confirmed that the pope has ventured out at night, dressed as a regular priest, to meet with homeless men and women."
Krajewski earlier said, “When I say to him ‘I’m going out into the city this evening’, there’s the constant risk that he will come with me," and he merely smiled nd ducked the question when reporters asked him point-blank whether the Pope accompanied him into the city.

http://www.ucatholic.com/news/is-pope-francis-secretly-sneaking-out-of-the-vatican-at-night-to-give-money-to-the-poor/
http://onubiyi..co.uk/2013/12/pope-francis-puts-on-costume-to-sneak.html

MichaelDprince:
hmmmm..., i love Jehovah witness but all d same THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINT remain s d ONLY TRUE CHURCH upon d surface of d earth. The Church with d Restored Gospel even d fulness of d Gospel of Jesus Christ with d PRIESTHOOD. .... We preach of Christ, we talk of Christ, we rejoice in christ, we proophesy of Christ, that our children may know 2 what source they may look up for d remmission of their sins....[b]hmmmm..., i love Jehovah witness but all d same THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINT remain s d ONLY TRUE CHURCH upon d surface of d earth. The Church with d Restored Gospel even d fulness of d Gospel of Jesus Christ with d PRIESTHOOD. .... We preach of Christ, we talk of Christ, we rejoice in christ, we proophesy of Christ, that our children may know 2 what source they may look up for d remmission of their sins....[/b]hmmmm..., i love Jehovah witness but all d same THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINT remain s d ONLY TRUE CHURCH upon d surface of d earth. The Church with d Restored Gospel even d fulness of d Gospel of Jesus Christ with d PRIESTHOOD. The church with a living prophet whom God speaks thru for d Salvation of mankind .... We preach of Christ, we talk of Christ, we rejoice in christ, we proophesy of Christ, that our children may know 2 what source they may look up for d remmission of their sins....

trisha:
I have come across so many religions but I think Jehovah's Witnesses stick to the bible. What do you guys think?

Jusmudi:
I bliv in d 7 gift of d holy spirit, I bliv in miracles, I bliv in working 4 Jesus. Bt wat am saying is dt people often deceive human by saying I saw God, he told me dis or dt, note, in warri a pastor was saying God took him 2 heaven nd he told God he wanted 2 b his police in heaven, outside he even said he saw his father in hell nd went 2 hell nd took him 2 heaven. Can u imagine

So when Jesus said He has given us authority to thread upon snakes and scorpoins. Did He mean literal snakes and scorpoins? No.

Because medicine can cure a few diseases does not mean sickness is no of the devil.

Just like there a real kings and princes in the physical world so also there are demonic princes and kings in the spiritual world.

Just like there are real serpents in the physical world so also there are demonic serpents in the spiritual world.

Just as there are real insects in the physical so also there are demonic insects in the spiritual. Unless God opens your eyes you will never know these things exist

Beelzebub is called Lord of the flies. And we all know flies are insects.There are demonic pests and diseases in the spiritual world.let no one fool you.

Because we are under a new covenant does not mean we shouldn't obey the instruction of the Holy Spirit which are laws written in the hearts of believers.

Even blessings can become a curse if you do not operate the covenant estblished in Christ Jesus from Abraham by Faith.

Most christians are oppressed by the devil because the follow the ways of the world and do not understand the ways of the Spirit.

If you follow the ways of nimrod as a christian then you become a slave to babylon but if you follow the ways of the Spirit then you becoe a slave to righteousness by Faith.

Jesus says if we love Him we shuld keep HIs commandments.The commandments here are not the 10 commandments but His teachings and sayings.The Holy Spirit is the teacher and the Helper.Jesus commandments/instructions comes from the Holy Spirit in the hearts of believers and as far as i am concerned tithing is one of those instruction.

He that despise instructions will definitely embrace affliction.There is no two ways about it for the scriptures cannot be broken.

Don't be deceived the devil also gives wealth but there is a wealth God can give that can outlast the wealth of this world and comes with peace and rest if only christians will only heed the instructions from the Holy Spirit.

Eberex:
Explain the sentence in bold

jamace:
LOL My brother, it is not by force to interpret the Bible o. This is the more reason many of you have been led astray. Get the truth from the one Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church and save your soul. Stop going to business churches, where the pastor will entertain you with sweet talk and empty your pocket in the name of prosperity! This is my last word to you! Have a nice day.

haibe:
Bro what u have said hasn't still done justice to the questions and illustration I gave.. But anyway just forget it.

jamace:
Just your opinion. The sad thing is that you people do not even know what you are protesting against. The fact remains that Catholic is the Church, all others are imitations!

The Catholic Church compiled the scriptures and called it "The Bible" and you accepted it as the gospel truth.
The Catholic Church says lets celebrate Christmas, your church follow celebrate;
The Catholic Church says lets celebrate Easter, your church follow
The Catholic Church says lets worship on Sunday, your church follow
The Catholic Church says ---------etc etc (too numerous to list)

Come back home, ye prodigal sons!