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 Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 7:48pm On Jan 10, 2019*. Modified: 8:11pm On Jan 10, 2019 |
TATIME:What I do know the JW's would never agree with you on this statement above! TATIME:{Psalm 110:1} David says, “The LORD says to my Lord: ‘Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool’”. {Matthew 22:44} Jesus quotes this verse in a discussion with the Pharisees in order to prove that the Messiah is more than David’s son; He is David’s Lord. The clause the LORD says to my Lord contains two different Hebrew words for “lord” in the original. The first word is Yahweh, the Hebrew covenant name for God. The second is Adonai, meaning “lord” or “master.” So, in {Psalm 110:1} David writes this: “Yahweh says to my Adonai. . . .” To better understand Jesus’ use of {Psalm 110:1} we’ll look at the identity of each “Lord” separately.The first “Lord” in “the LORD says to my Lord” is the eternal God of the universe, the Great I AM who revealed Himself to Moses in {Exodus 3} This self-existent, omnipotent God speaks in {Psalm 110} to someone else who is also David’s “Lord.” The second “Lord” in “the LORD says to my Lord” is the Messiah, or the Christ. {Psalm 110} describes this second “Lord” as follows: ● He sits at God’s right hand {verse 1} ● He will triumph over all His enemies and rule over them {verses 1–2} ● He will lead a glorious procession of troops {verse 3} ● He will be “a priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek” {verse 4} ● He will have divine power to crush kings, judge nations, and slay the wicked {verses 5–6} ● He will find refreshment and be exalted {verse 7} In { Matthew 22:44} Jesus unmistakably identifies the second “Lord” of {Psalm 110:1} as the Messiah, and the Pharisees all agree that, yes, David was speaking of the Messiah. When David wrote, “The LORD says to my Lord,” he distinctly said that the Messiah (or the Christ) was his lord and master—his Adonai. You seem to think we all need Pastor's or elders-I don't have a Pastor, nor do I call any church building my home, some people will always stay to be followers, they need heads to rule over them in a Church-they rely on Pastors or JW's Elders to teach them, because people these day's are to lazy to read their bible.. Your case is different, your organisation teach you some other doctrine that doesn't line up with bible truth.. I find my best times with the Lord is sitting at home enjoying my day studying, praising Him who saved me, I suppose this is a good reason why I don't have a Pastor-people have already falling away from the truth-because some people just don't like hearing the truth.. TATIME: 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 7:15am On Jan 10, 2019 |
TATIME:So now you do realise Jesus is King of all kings, Lords of all Lords, It is He that sit upon the throne of God, It is He who is our ever lasting Father! {Isaiah 9:6} For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Thank you Lord!!!! TATIME: |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 7:09am On Jan 10, 2019 |
Yes we also pity you too, when you come to us bringing with you a doctrine that isn't scriptural: and you expect people like us' believe, it doesn't matter how many verses we produce to you, how many ways we have explain them to you, your blindness just won't allow you to see the truth. Jozzy4:We pity you, not wanting to understand any bible knowledge-we put up with you, only because we don't see you! And who would want to know you anyway-personalty we don't like you, you are a big mouth abuser, you don't know the Word of God, and you wouldn't know it, even if it was standing in front of you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0gIBwsvId0 Jozzy4: |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 9:57pm On Jan 08, 2019 |
Because Adam wasn't the God Head-Jesus is! {Luke 3:38} Adam is clearly not "son of God" literally. the son of Enosh, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God. (like calling angels "sons of God", for example)? Now go back to the seed, Jesus seed is God's seed, we are made into the image of God, but we are not the God head, not even the angels in heaven-look what happen to Lucifer, when he tried to be like God and be God? Comparing Adam to Jesus is calling God a lair-Adam was never called God's begotten Son, Jesus never had a sexual relationship with a female while doing what God had called Him to Do, Jesus stayed on course with the Father-while Adam had sinned and hid in the garden-Adam didn't die for our sins-Jesus did. Jesus was sinless He didn't sin and died for our sins, Adam failed the course-he lusted over Eve and brought sin into the world-God never said to Adam you sit here on My right side, He never told Adam you made the heavens and the earth and everything in it. God never said: His angels were to worship Adam! TATIME: |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 8:12pm On Jan 08, 2019*. Modified: 8:51pm On Jan 08, 2019 |
Adam did, but the women made Him do it-This is what Adam said: to God,,and God cast him out of the garden because of sin had entered into Adam and Eve-their sin had Cain and Abel-one was good and the other evil..Adam knew God, but Adam chose to listen to the woman.. Jesus gave us the freedom to be like Him, we read Mary was under the curse of sin, she is still a sinner-still a virgin and still God seen favour in Her-God used Her to bring Jesus into the world..Still a sinner-but it was her faith she had in God that He found favour in Her-So obviously, God needed a virgin, somebody who was clean inside from the world-so Jesus could stay sinless.. Don't you agree, Adam failed-but I find this interesting, this gives us a choice-if Adam didn't fail the test, would we be living to live out our test with God! Lately I have been studying about the Mark of the beast, some say it's a Chip-while others agree upon the Sabbath day will soon be made into the Sun God Sunday worship-the Catholic Church is forcing the world to fall under the sway of it, Trump sign a Church and state agreement-he had agreed all religions should join the Sunday Sun-god worship! Many Churches are ready to take the mark! Trump has standing with him the Catholic Church, the Jewish Pharisees, and the prosperity Word of faith movement these pose as Pentecostals. What will you do, when they will force you to worship on Sunday's, will you take the mark? TATIME: |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 7:47pm On Jan 08, 2019 |
It is understandable when one explains it, Jesus spoke in parables to the crowds, and He spoke to His Disciples spirituality for good reasons..He spoke to the crowds about the wolves and the sheep-the tares and the wheat, so the crowds could understand-Jesus would speak to the farmers-He told stories to His listeners, His fed them naturally and Spirituality..Not everybody understood Jesus-that's why they Murdered Him.. The Lord had showing me how to explain this way to somebody I knew who lived on the streets, he was confused also, he understood it easily.. But if you could share this with your comrades, maybe no one would be arguing over something that can be easily explained! May the Lord use you, as a guide to witness to those in need of explanations! TATIME: |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 7:03pm On Jan 08, 2019*. Modified: 7:20pm On Jan 08, 2019 |
Now if we were to mention to a Child about the Trinity word, of course at first they wouldn't understand, but if we were to explain the seed about the God head, then maybe if I could help you understand-maybe you could learn it by the seed. But because you can't seem to understand the scriptures spiritually-then I will try to give you a better understanding how simple it really is, when we say Jesus and His Father are One. Three persons in One!!! It is quite simple to understand when we say Jesus is One with His Father, "our own Father put his seed into your Mother-both seeds, made you, your seed and your parents seed are one seed, usually what happens in life as we grow, we end up either like our Father's Seed or our Mother's seed, so in most cases we end up like our parents, Just like Jesus-He is the Son of God and He is also knowing as the Son of Man. So the Son of Man is not just a human figure but He was spiritual figure Like His Father.. He obeyed "His" Father-done everything His Father told Him to Do-Because the Fathers seed Is Jesus's seed, like He was also His Mother Mary's seed. Usually what happens in the genealogies seed, sometimes we may either look like our parents, like if my father is bob the builder, and I grow to be just like my father, I may become bob the builder too, working to be like my father, our parents seed's runs through our veins. If your father is violent towards your mother and siblings, usually what happens you may become violent towards your relationships.. In some cases we take after our grands-because it was their seed that made your parents seed, your father maybe like his father, or like His father before him..Genealogies are seed's.. Now understand when Jesus said: He and His Father are One, God's seed became one seed with Virgin Mary through the Holy Spirit, Jesus loved His Father and His Mother also, the story about Jesus at the age of 12 years, Mary and Joseph were looking for Him, after they found Jesus witnessing in the court yards, She said: why have you done this to us, He said: I am doing My Father's work. At the age of 12 years the Pharisees sat down and listened to Jesus-puzzled why Jesus had so much knowledge about God. We can't get this information without Having the Spirit of God in Us. 'He wasn't doing His Step fathers work, but God His Father's work. "Jesus is not only Human He is also One seed with His Father's seed. Jesus was also a Carpenter like Joseph, but Joseph seed didn't connect with Jesus, "Plus Joseph did not enter his seed into Mary until Jesus was born! Remember what Jesus said: to Thomas if you have seen Me you have seen My Father also..God eternally exists in three Persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit; and that these three are one God, co-equal and co-eternal, having precisely the same nature and attributes, and worthy of precisely the same worship, confidence, and obedience. {Matthew 3:16, 17; Matthew 28:19, 20; Mark 12:29; John 1:14; Acts 5:3, 4; 2 Corinthians 13:14} {John 17:20-21} I am not asking on behalf of them alone, but also on behalf of those who will believe in Me through their message, that all of them may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I am in You. 'May they also be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me. Jesus's seed is God the Father and the Holy Spirit-We are connected to accepting His Spirit by becoming a born again, we are connected to Jesus through His Word, we are sinners-finishing our race, seeking His kingdom, studying His Word, connecting to the God heads seed. {Genesis 1:26-27} Then God said, ‘‘Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them... I am not expecting you to understand how simple this actually sounds, but it is quite simple if you chose to put your mind to it! Study your family seed? Jozzy4: |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 9:55pm On Jan 06, 2019*. Modified: 10:25pm On Jan 06, 2019 |
Janosky:{1 Corinthians 8:5-6} For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as there are many gods and many lords) --"If" there were so called gods, "Not" there "Is" so called god's in heaven or on earth! Even a Child can understand the simple things of life-when the simplest things are explained, I said a Child-you are some what of age, and you still can't understand-maybe you should seek spiritual understanding-instead of the natural only, stupidity is always found within the Watchtower! Janosky even Tatime understood how simple it really was to understand between the seed-maybe Tatime should be teaching you your beliefs.. TATIME:TATIME maybe you should be the one to explain it to your silly friend Janosky telling him there is only one God. The truth is-you deny is the Word of God, there's no other truth besides that, 'yes the Word comes free, but the Watchtower denies the Word so much they had forgotten, the begotten.. After everything we have been teaching you, and you still deny Jesus, the truth is, you don't know Jesus-and that is the truth, He will say to you, get away from Me, I never knew you! TATIME: |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 2:43am On Jan 06, 2019 |
{Mark 7:6-9} He answered and said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: ‘This people honors Me with their lips, But their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men—the washing of pitchers and cups, and many other such things you do.” He said to them, “All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition. Do I need to say anything more?  Janosky: |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 2:00am On Jan 05, 2019*. Modified: 2:49am On Jan 05, 2019 |
Jesus spoke parallels to the people-a natural common language everyone could understand, He knew people followed Him because they seen the miracles, they ate the food, the dead is risen, the sick are healed, the blind now see, the deaf now here. But Jesus spoke of another language to His disciples, not only in the natural' as He spoke around the crowds, but in Spirit' He spoke privately to His own disciples-teaching them the truth. We understand through knowledge how the bible was written, it was written by disciples filled with the Holy Spirit of God. Now we understand since the manuscripts were found, it was interpreted by bible scholars, professionals that studied the manuscripts, page after page, it took years to fully understand and interpreted the truth-upon facts' no man acting in the natural could have knowing the hidden secrets about God-without God Himself teaching them the truth. People found these manuscripts and brought them to the Vatican, where they were lost for another few Hundred years, the Vatican manipulated it against the people. Denominations start by people who believe to have some sort of a revelation from God, without even testing if this revelation lines up with the Word of God-people begin Churches through dreams or visions-sample-Joseph Smith believes he seen twins of God and Jesus standing together, and then he said Jesus is Michael the Archangel, the JW's also believe Jesus is the Angel, these both denominations rejected the bible began a Church and rewritten their own bible.. This is why it is important to test the Spirit-any other revelation, dreams or visions that don't line up with the Word of God are false prophets sent by Satan to destroy the true Church of God.. {Jude 1:9} Yet Michael the archangel, in contending with the devil, when he disputed about the body of Moses, dared not bring against him a reviling accusation, but said, “The Lord rebuke you!” So if Michael was Jesus, Michael would have said: get behind Me Satan. {Jude 1:12} These people are blemishes at your love feasts, eating with you without the slightest qualm--shepherds who feed only themselves. They are clouds without water, blown along by the wind; autumn trees, without fruit and uprooted--twice dead. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 12:17am On Jan 05, 2019 |
Works without faith is dead, you have no understanding of the Word of God, if you understood it 'you would abide by it. I find people like you all the time, nasty people-not even the atheist would speak against Christ, as bad as you do. {Revelation 3:15-16} Jesus said: I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth. TATIME: |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 12:05am On Jan 05, 2019 |
Even a Child can understand the simple things of life-when the simplest things are explained, I said a Child-you are some what of age, and you still can't understand-maybe you should seek spiritual understanding-instead of the natural only, stupidity is always found within the Watchtower! TATIME: |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 7:19pm On Jan 03, 2019*. Modified: 7:50pm On Jan 03, 2019 |
TATIME:How many times do we have to tell you, two persons are One, both persons connect with the same mind body and soul, meaning to say everything His Father tells Jesus to do, He done! Because you can't seem to understand the scriptures spiritually-then I will try to give you a better understanding how simple it really is, when we say Jesus and His Father are One. Obviously no one had taught you about the birds and the bee's, your Father put his seed into your Mother-both seeds made you, your seed and your parents seed are one seed, usually what happens in life we end up being like our Father's Seed or our Mother's seed, so in most cases we end up like our parents, if my father is bob the builder, I may become bob the builder too, working to be like my father, if my Mother is a house wife, maybe your sister may end up being a house wife, just like her mother, your parents seed's runs through your veins.. If your father is violent towards your mother, usually what happens you become violent towards your wife.. In some cases we take after our grands-because it was their seed that made your parents seed, your father maybe like his father, or like His father before him..Genealogies are seed's.. Now understand when Jesus said: He and His Father are One, God's seed became one seed with Mary through the Holy Spirit, Jesus loved His Father and His Mother also, the story about Jesus at the age of 12 years, Mary and Joseph were looking for Him, after they found Jesus witnessing in the court yards, She said: why have you done this to us, He said: I am doing My Father's work. He wasn't doing His Step fathers work, but God His Father's work. Jesus became a man-God lived amongst man, Jesus is Spirit like His Father. Jesus said: to Thomas if you have seen Me you have seen My Father also..Jesus's seed and His Fathers seed are One seed, 'So when we believe what the scriptures say's, also we believe we are also one with Jesus Just as Jesus is one with His Father.. I am not expecting you to understand how simple this actually sounds to you, but it is quite simple if you chose to put your mind to it.. TATIME: |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by brocab: 7:35pm On Jan 02, 2019 |
If we were to study tithes, and if tithes were for us to practice now, then why wasn't USA practicing tithes before 1873.. If anybody would like to read further about tithes, and how it began, look up>1873: TITHING FIRST SUGGESTED IN USA The following 2007 book by the dean of Vanderbilt Unvierssity traces the methods used to finance churches in the United States. It is extremely revealing and proves that tithing was neither taught nor practiced in the United States until the very earliest year of 1873 when it was first suggested. In Pursuit of the Almighty’s Dollar, by James Hudnut-Beumler, 2007, Vanderbilt .......................................... 1895: Tithing was first introduced to the Southern Baptist Convention on May 11, 1895. The convention urged state conventions to educated the people. And the system was REJECTED by the people. E. Y. Mullen was among those who supported this recommendation. He was also a SBC President and the leader of the committee which did NOT insert any tithing texts into the 1925 SBC Faith and Message. The article was published in the New York Times on May 12, 1895, titled Recommended the Tithing System. (100) Versteeg attacked their most cherished and basic claim that tithing was God’s law and had actually been consistently practiced during the biblical era. Versteeg’s view was the first stewardship book to be written from a historical-critical hermeneutic. “With singular unanimity biblical scholars agree” he wrote “as to the confusing touching the tithe,” and he cited the great biblical exegetes of his day to the effect that the data simply did not support any consistent account of the tithe in biblical times. Versteeg accused tithing advocates of twisting the evidence maintaining that “in the face of this men should assert for the tithe binding authority seems incredible! A fair perusal of Scripture fails to bear out their claim. [116] 1928: Church Finance: Raising, Spending, Accounting, William Leach, Methodist. Religious leaders might agree that the Bible taught the stewardship of wealth, but church history revealed no evidence that the primitive church had any fixed idea of the tithe or an approved plan for dividing wealth for the support of the church. Leach allowed that this was probably less a problem for the early church since there were no salaries for preachers or expenditures for church buildings. (119) In a direct counter to the storehouse tithing movement of a generation earlier, Leach ... “it is an unwise church which insists on receiving the full tithe.” (122-123) 1928: George Morelock, Methodist. If the person were to give from a sense of coercion, or out of the desire to popularity, or to pay for something, or to do his share, or grudgingly, then the giving, in Murdock’s view, could never be spiritual. Conclusion: The idea of tithing did not even emerge as a discussion in American churches before the 1870s. It is a relatively new doctrine. But not from God!!!!! 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by brocab: 12:13am On Jan 02, 2019*. Modified: 12:42am On Jan 02, 2019 |
God paid tithes to the Levites-they were the car park attendants, they made the coffee, they cleaned the temple daily, they were the door keepers, they polish the floors the walls and the gold and silver, and rightly speaking they fed the poor, so 10% of food from $200 is $20 worth of food is given to Arron the high priest for his services! So if the Church received $200 worth of food and 10% go's to the Pastor, then he should collect $20 worth of food for His services, if he receives more then that of the tithes 'he is robbing God! So if we were to obey the law on old testament tithing 'then it should be right for us to tithe to the coffee makers, the car park attendants, the cleaners, and the poor, and if we were to give what is rightly written in scripture to the Pastor, then 10%-is all he receives. Image123: 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 11:12pm On Jan 01, 2019*. Modified: 12:52am On Jan 02, 2019 |
You JW's are so rude, and you call yourselves someone of importance-Where in the scriptures does it say Jesus said; knock on every door? No where do we find in the scriptures Jesus ever saying go out unto all the nations and preach from House to House without an invitation. Jesus was against this sort of preaching-matter of fact Jesus said: Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces. {Acts 5:42} Day after day, in the temple courts and from house to house, they never stopped teaching and proclaiming the good news that Jesus is the Messiah. And if you were to have read the scriptures proper, you would find Paul preached in Houses from People He met in the court yards, after he was invited to go to their houses to eat and preach, some asked Paul to stay a couple of days.. Paul “sent to Ephesus, and called the elders of the Church,” saying to them, “I…have taught you publicly, and from house to house.” He taught the Church leaders in their own homes. Paul did not go from house to house, teaching whomever answered his knock at the door. Based on a quick reading and misinterpretation of {Acts 20:20} many believe that the apostle Paul preached the gospel of the kingdom from house to house, to those who were unconverted. But when the entire paragraph is read, starting in {verse 17} the proper meaning can be understood. Even at his own hired house in Rome, Paul “received all that came in unto him, preaching the kingdom of God,” which Christ had commanded him to preach {Acts 28:30-31} So Paul didn't have to go door knocking-because it was those who wanted the learn the gospel 'who knocked on Paul's door, maybe the JW's should think about knocking on my door and come in and sit and learn that very same gospel Paul had preached! Christ had personally taught the gospel to Paul {I Corinthians. 15:8, Galatians 1:11-2:2} One of Christ’s teachings was that we are not to force our beliefs on anyone {Matthew 7:6} This makes clear that Paul did not try to convert people by preaching from house to house, nor should the JW's harass people house to house, Paul's public teachings were carried out mainly in the Jewish synagogues, they were arrested constantly in the temple court yards! Janosky: |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 3:24am On Jan 01, 2019 |
{Matthew 10:5-15} 5 These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: “Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. 6 Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel. 7 As you go, proclaim this message: ‘The kingdom of heaven has come near.’ 8 Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy, drive out demons. Freely you have received; freely give. 9 Do not get any gold or silver or copper to take with you in your belts.. 10 No bag for the journey or extra shirt or sandals or a staff, for the worker is worth his keep. 11 WHATEVER TOWN OR VILLAGE YOU ENTER, search there for some worthy person and stay at their house until you leave. 12 As you enter the home, give it your greeting. 13 If the home is deserving, let your peace rest on it; if it is not, let your peace return to you. 14 If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet. 15 Truly I tell you, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town. I can't seem to find where you believe Jesus said: knock on every door? Plus it would be pointless for me to knock on your door-you can't accept the Word of God on this page now, so what difference would it make if I was to knock on a door that is so unwelcoming.. TATIME: 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 10:54pm On Dec 30, 2018 |
You are twisting scripture out of context again, Jesus said: we judge by their fruit-you come to us bringing with you another doctrine! So because of your own foolishness we have judged you.. You use the bible as your tool to judge against the scriptures-you stand behind the Watchtower-because it's unbiblical to the bible.. If you attend to seek with us, you need stronger evidence then this, you need to bring with you the Word of God and believe.. You just can't accept your wrongs-instead you prefer to blame others who are trying to help you understand! We have tried to give you understanding-that the bible is not only in the natural, it's also in the spirit-and to understand it, we must learn how to seek the Word of God and believe.. It won't matter what we say-or how we have written the scriptures down, you don't believe it anyway, you won't accept the Word of God from us-you would rather die in your own sins, then listen to the truth from others outside your Watchtowers program. you don't accept the Word of God nor will ever think of studying outside the square, your organisation has you bound and foot, no matter how the Word of God is written, your denomination controls you-it's super natural forces controls your mind. Denominations can be dangerous at times, they can take people further away from the truth "You believe in one God you do well even the demons believe.. TATIME: |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 1:57pm On Dec 30, 2018 |
TATIME:No one is insulting you personally, it the rubbish you write, we have spent so much time searching the scriptures, just for you, praying maybe just one verse may rock your boat-but sadly every time you write something in return, you twist the scriptures around so much nothing is making any sense anymore. Now we understand you are from another tribe claiming to be Christian, but you don't seem to want to learn as one! It's like your heart and mind had left you behind, because the staff you leave for us to read is rubbish! No-one is forcing you to believe, but, if you are claiming to be somebody, then at least back it up with some knowledge to prove 'you are this somebody.. TATIME: |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 9:35pm On Dec 28, 2018*. Modified: 8:49am On Dec 30, 2018 |
No one is arguing, the fact's are you deny the truth about Christ-there's nothing you could say-besides producing some magazine pictures, trying to prove the JW's are actually making a difference. If they are JW's? I gave you men in action-you gave me people without a voice in pictures, and you sit down and judge! I have given you a video of men actually witnessing to JW's while the JW's sat on a bridge, a video you have refused to watch! This is all they do is sit on bridges sitting besides bill broads saying nothing to nobody' while people were walking past all day long. If these men refused to listen to the Lord, then I suppose the JW's would have pack up and gone home empty handed, but something changed that day-they were given the Word of God-something to think about, and if they were smart and read the bible, they may have questioned it, tested it, who knows, these lost souls may now be saved in Christ::: If these men sat on the bridge just like the JW's did-or stand on the street corners, watching people pass by without saying a word, then no-one would hear the truth about Christ? The Lord always see's an opportunity, He opens doors everywhere-The Lord see's everything, He sent two men over to have a conversation with the JW's, these men stood for Christ while the heat was beating down on them-while the JW's sat under the shade refusing to offer them shade or a drink of cold water to help with their thirst.. TATIME: |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 2:09am On Dec 28, 2018 |
The first picture is people enjoying their day at a celebration. The second picture is two people walking along the beach and found a Watchtower magazine, before someone took the photo, catching the magazine.. The third picture were three ladies walking through a car park before entering into a festival, someone had noticed their unusual clothing so they stood there with them and a friend took the shot! The forth picture, are ladies standing there for a photo shoot, after realising the booths were empty! None of these pictures prove these are actually JW's! TATIME: |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 2:06am On Dec 28, 2018 |
{Isaiah 40:3} The voice of one crying in the wilderness: “Prepare the way of the Lord; Make straight in the desert A highway for our God. {John 1:23} "John replied in the words of Isaiah the prophet, 'I am the voice of one calling in the wilderness, 'Make straight the way for the Lord.''" {Isaiah 40:28} Have you not known? Have you not heard? The everlasting God, the Lord, The Creator of the ends of the earth. {Colossians 1:15-17} He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities--all things have been created through Him and for Him. He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. {Isaiah 41:4} Who has performed and done it, Calling the generations from the beginning? ‘I, the Lord, am the first; And with the last I am He.’ {Revelation 22:13}I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. In the Old Testament and the New Testament "There is only One God!!! Barristter07: |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 1:15am On Dec 28, 2018*. Modified: 1:37am On Dec 28, 2018 |
You keep on mentioning about the young man of Nazareth, don't you know His name-His Name is Jesus! When Jesus spoke about the tree's 'He wasn't talking about natural tree's, His was talking about Spiritual tree's. Have you heard about the Wild Olive tree, grafted into the Olive tree! The Olive tree is said: to be the Jews, and the Wild olive tree is said: to be the Gentiles.. {Zechariah 4:11-14}Then I said to him, “What are these two olive trees on the right and the left of the lamp stand?” And a second time I answered and said to him, “What are these two branches of the olive trees, which are beside the two golden pipes from which the golden oil is poured out?” He said to me, “Do you not know what these are?” I said, “No, my lord.” Then he said, “These are the two anointed ones who stand by the Lord of the whole earth.” So these can't be the Watchtower-your literature doesn't hold the Word of God-these are the People that stand by the Lord, and you don't stand by the Lord, you bring to us and you preach to us a different doctrine!! {Romans 11:17-18} And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them became a partaker of the root and fatness of the olive tree, do not boast against the branches. But if you do boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you. Your pride gets in your way, you boast as you are the chosen few-but your fruit is lacking Spiritual food, it's flesh warring against the flesh-flesh that lacks understanding of bible knowledge.. We Christians are spiritually grafted into the ancient olive tree of Israel, our faith does not stand alone, but is supported by that tree, In ways that we do not fully understand, we are tied to Israel, It is like our spiritual “family tree.” and we see the church and Israel are both supported by the ancient root of the tree. The Pope once said: we don't need Jesus to be with God-the Watchtower said: Amen! TATIME: |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 1:35pm On Dec 26, 2018*. Modified: 1:53pm On Dec 26, 2018 |
TATIME:{1 Samuel 8} Back in the Old Testament, People needed a King to lead them, denominations work the same way, people need Pastors to lead them-they need a king who will reign over them, they needed somebody to fight their battles for them, somebody to read them the bible, somebody to read them their rights. 'And we die of lack of knowledge!! Jesus didn't have a denomination-He didn't build one of flesh and blood-Jesus's kingdom is Spiritual-so if Born again Christians comes under a denomination-then Jesus would have made a point of it, He said: one must be born again before He can enter into the kingdom of God. Meaning to say Christianity begins from the heart. Jesus's Word was the foundation-nothing more, Jesus said: to Peter and on this rock I will build My Church-and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it. Jesus was preferring to the Word God spoke through Peter, you are the Son of the Living God.. If the Word of God stands before a denomination then we have a problem! Then it's to say-people can't be saved until they give themselves over to a man made organisation, before even thinking about coming to Christ, then why do Foxes have holes, birds have nest, but Jesus had no place to lay His head, because Jesus didn't have a denomination-denominations separate people-Judaism separated from Hinduism, and these separated from Islam, and Watchtower claiming to be Christian 'separated themselves from Christianity.. TATIME:JW's don't know the Spirit-a spirit yes, but not God's Spirit-how can one worship an active force? And the truth doesn't line up with the Watchtower, and your BEHAVIOR is not the best, your ACTIVITIES are all over the place, your TEACHINGS has nothing to do with the Word of God, so we RECOGNISE you as false prophets! TATIME: |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 11:59am On Dec 26, 2018*. Modified: 1:54pm On Dec 26, 2018 |
Which female are you in these pictures? People posing in photo's doesn't tell us nothing? TATIME: |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 11:56am On Dec 26, 2018 |
I understand you are reaching out to each other-but wouldn't be better if you were reaching out to those who are hungry, poor, and lame, blind and sick-instead of focusing on who is connected to your denomination? I suppose it would be even better if you had read the scriptures and learn more about the important's who's saved and who's not saved.. If standing on the streets by bill broads is your way of worship to Jehovah in silents, then silents it is, "Globally! TATIME: |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 8:22pm On Dec 25, 2018*. Modified: 8:47pm On Dec 25, 2018 |
"No we don't have a group name, not even in the Old testament-did they claim they were part of a denomination! Denominations started from pagan religion-the Pharisees claimed to be somebody-but nobody! If Christ came back-He wouldn't say JW's come up here now, nor will He say to anybody that follows a named organisation, you are not understanding, Christ built His Church in the hearts of men and women, not in same denomination building made by man!! Christians that follow Christ-will meet Him in the clouds, the Christians could be either in your Church or standing in another Church, or at home, when He comes, Jesus said: those who believe in Me will be saved! The problem is, you are so set in your ways, you are self centred, self righteous, Not only are we to be saved, but need to believe His every Word-Do what Jesus would Do! Your argument with me is you don't believe I am saved, because I am not part of a organisation-you are mistaken, Jesus never said: we were to join the Watchtower, nor any other Church building! Back in those day's they met in homes and underground caves, having a denomination would mean the Romans would know where to find them! It's no different today we are still persecuted, by organisations like yours and of course other denominations who believe they are the chosen Pharisees of Christ!! .. So if the Born again cooperation isn't a good name, then why are most people so proud to become a born again Christian-after they had accepted Christ into their lives! If this name isn't good enough for you to understand, then you have buckley's and none to be with Christ at the end of this age to come.. TATIME: 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 7:06pm On Dec 25, 2018*. Modified: 8:08pm On Dec 25, 2018 |
These pointless stories are about true Christians walking through the valley of death, fearing no evil-because the Lord is with them.. These pointless stories are about true Christians risking there lives, preaching the gospel for Christ to all nations! These pointless stories are people working for Christ spreading His gospel even to the lowest parts of Kingdom hall. These pointless stories are about men and women who love the Lord-praying we have people like you willing to condemn the Word of God at all cost. These pointless stories are about people who are willing to pay the price' to witness for Christ among the dead. These pointless stories are doing more in the world-spreading the truth-to people like you who totally refuse people that love the Lord-like me. These pointless stories are about Christ-His True Foundation, the True God and everlasting.. TATIME:Not only your answers are incorrect-everything about your beliefs are incorrect "You refuse to watch the video's I have produced {because your brain doesn't function well} you refuse to read my pages, {because your brain doesn't function well} you can't acknowledge any truth {because your brain doesn't function well} you deafeningly hate Christians that don't walk with you, {because your brain doesn't function well} Christians that do more then you {because your brain doesn't function well} you hate Christians walking the streets witnessing to people like you.{because your brain doesn't function well} You were taught to lie from the beginning-you are taught to hate Christians witnessing the Word of God to JW's-without question-you were taught the JW's are the superiors the heads of the true gospel! In 1870 God visited Charles Russell and gave him the keys to all truth that brought your denomination together, Charles Russell claimed Jehovah had given him the keys to open up the door to all watchtower believers "Masons in spirit-these will bring peace upon the earth, after Christ comes, the first, second third and fourth time, I hope you get it right this time-I am sure people must be sick of packing and unpacking when they find the Watchtower made another mistake. Friend you have been deceived, and until you wake up and test the spirit of that man who's been teaching you, you will by no means enter in, to be with Christ at the end of time. """And this is the truth!!!!! { 1 Thessalonians 5:20-21} we find Paul exhorting the Christians to not “despise prophecies, but test everything; hold fast what is good.” {1 John 4:1} “Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world” These two passages are two of the many that warn Christians to test the message that people or spirits proclaim. This is true in all situations but most importantly when a person or spirit is claiming to speak for God. Christians are to be discerning hearers and readers of all messages. "JW's don't test the spirit behind the seines, they allow Father Watchtower add and remove the scriptures, the Watchtowers hidden agenda's even changed baptism, In the name of the Father {Who is the organisation of the Watchtower} In the name of the Son {Who is Michael the Archangel} And In the name of the Holy Spirit {He is the active force without power} People are deceived every minute of the day! By people like you, who bring pointless literature's of Watchtower doctrine that is completely false! "your claims is nothing without evidence-you can't line up your beliefs with old testament doctrines. TATIME: |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 2:05am On Dec 25, 2018*. Modified: 5:55pm On Dec 25, 2018 |
TATIME:Sadly for you, these pointless stories you hate are bible stories! TATIME:How surprising, none of these scriptures have anything to do with the JW's, I don't know if you had realised, denominations such as the Watchtower didn't exist back then, and Plus these people relied on God-not some denomination that gave them direction, I like this bit-TATIME now threatens me with grievous consequences! A JW will now cast his spell upon me.. TATIME:Obviously you are confused, one sure way to hear from God is simple-read your bible-if you can't hear Him, read louder.. {2 Timothy 3:16-17} All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for [a]instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work. {Luke 24:25-27} Then He said to them, “O foolish ones, and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken! Ought not the Christ to have suffered these things and to enter into His glory?” And beginning at Moses and all the Prophets, He expounded to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself. So He is saying if you don't read your bibles JW's you are not hearing from God-as simple as that!!! TATIME:You can stick with what program you believe God has, but sadly God didn't say we are programs, but adopted sons and daughters, and if you aren't hearing from God, then you need to test yourself why? God also speaks through us when directing us-He leads us as we walk with Him in obedience-so if you aren't hearing from God, you better check yourself over, and get right with God, believe and read a bible.. TATIME: 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 1:04am On Dec 24, 2018 |
Followers of Jesus Christ were first called “Christians” in Antioch (Acts 11:26) because their behavior, activity, and speech were like Christ. The word “Christian” literally means, “belonging to the party of Christ” or a “follower of Christ.” You refuse Christ and His teachings, you can't accept His foundations, and you don't believe Jesus is God Almighty-every chance you have, you refuse the Word of God! We have shared with you the truth-but if you chose to disagree, it's your choice.. {Matthew 7:16} Jesus said: we judge them by their fruit. So yes your fruit is our judgement against you, you come to us in wolves clothing expecting us to come to an agreement with you. Christians are not interested in Watchtower literature, your doctrines have to many loop holes, we understand the Word of God has power if one chooses to believe, but there's no power in you, everybody can read the scriptures, anybody can say they believe in God, the demons believe and tremble.. {Hebrews 4:12, 2 Timothy 3:16, Romans 10:17, 1 Thessalonians 2:13} - For this cause also thank God without ceasing, because, when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you received [it] not [as] the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worked also in you that believe. This is where the power is, its in the Word of God, you make the Word of God sound like it has no power, and there's good reason why the Word has no power in you-one must be born again before he can enter into the kingdom of God!!! If you were to read the Word of God, if you stepped out and disobeyed the Watchtower just once, if you were to reach out to the Lord Jesus Christ, and believed by faith, the Lord could use you, to help bring the Spirit of the Lord into kingdom hall. Think about it, if God could speak through a donkey, then luck is on your side .. TATIME: 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 10:43pm On Dec 23, 2018*. Modified: 12:14am On Dec 24, 2018 |
I understand you were taught to believe you are Christian-and that's ok, many other religions also believe the same, but the truth is 'if you were to actually test that, you would probably find your beliefs does not line up with the scriptures-plus you have already denied Christ and He's importance to become born again. Jesus made a point you must become born again, and of course you won't agree because you don't fully follow Christ to agree, we can't enter into the kingdom of God: now this doesn't only mean His kingdom Heaven, this means you must be born again to even think of having some sort of a relationship with God. Not everybody as you may think does disagree with the Word of God, it's fools that disputes against it, now we understand some bibles are written because of ones own interpretations added to it, "but those who have removed or added scriptures are fools! We realise people are always trying to find ways to understand the scriptures without the Spirit of God connected to it, people are always trying to take the short cuts, if people could be with Christ the easy way' then we wouldn't learn anything. But sadly many people become lazy-if they can't find their way through the scriptures, they find people who can-usually they rely on Pastors to see them through-now we understand the elders-Pastors are not always right, the bible is a rule book' it's a tool used to help us to find the answers, it's a guide, it shows us how to seek and understand the importance of God!! Now we know God answers our prayers, if we are not seeking Him nor His Word then He gives us the desires of our hearts, we understand some people are not satisfied with just the Word of God, so they look for other resources to connect with. God already knows our hearts He knows our thoughts, He see's what we see-if we choose to disbelieve His Word-then He sends in the big guns, He allows disbelief become a reality to us, He knows it won't be long before we separate ourselves from Him, and join denominations that don't line up with the Word of God.. The fall of Adam made a difference-one bite of an apple gave sin enough strength to turn the world upside down! It gave it enough strength to turn the hearts of people away from Him who created everything. Yesterday a small group of evangelising bikers joined with me to spread the gospel, we encourage each other all day long, building each other up, sometimes we may ride all day just for one person-other times we ride to different Churches for the fellowship, showing the love of Christ within, we witness to our fellow believers spreading to them the truth-people from all walks of life need God, 'we need to always remember not everybody in Church are saved! I find Church are not prepared to teach forgiveness, repentance, discipline, sin, or Hell fire to bring order within the body of Christ.. I remember some years ago I saw two ladies in a Church that looked a little out of place, I couldn't believe my eye's their name tags said: they were JW's , from just two ladies a few more ladies came along, obviously they seen something in Church more then most people who attend that Church full time! But that didn't last long, sadly I was told the pastor asked them to remove their name tags, what really happened I don't really know the correct words, but unfortunately it frightened them away, "Why because someone belonging to that Church didn't pray about it, it wasn't the Word of God they were seeking, it was their presentation, what would people think-if an outsider belonged to another Church? they didn't see the bigger picture well enough the accept God's calling.. I believe God had a plan for those ladies-but because of lack of knowledge-and without understanding the Word of God, people seem to put all their cares upon a Pastor instead of God, if only they seen the bigger picture-these beautiful ladies may have been saved.. So we don't always find false teachings outside the Church-these day's it doesn't matter what name the Church names itself, what matters wrong teaching can destroy one person at a time!!! TATIME: 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 4:28pm On Dec 22, 2018*. Modified: 4:55pm On Dec 22, 2018 |
{We are the temple of God I Corinthians 3:16} All New Testament churches were in people's homes, back in Paul's time, man made temples were full of religious people.. Back then no one ever even thought of “going to a church building” as we think of it today. It doesn't matter where we go, which denomination we are involved in-which religious background we have fellowship with-either way, building large Church structures is a money making business! The earliest Christians knew and practiced for a fact that, You are the temple of God…" {1 Corinthians 3:16} {Acts 2:2} And suddenly there came from heaven a sound as of the rushing of a mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. {Acts 8:3} But Saul laid waste the church, entering into every house, and dragging men and women committed them to prison. {Acts 12:12} and when he had considered the thing, he came to the house of Mary the mother of John, whose surname was Mark; where many were gathered together praying. {Romans. 16:5} Likewise greet the church that is in their (Priscilla and Aquila's) house {1 Corinthians 16:19} The churches of Asia greet you. Aquila and Priscilla greet you heartily in the Lord, with the church that is in their house. {Colossians 4:15} Greet the brethren who are in Laodicea, and Nymphas and the church that is in his house. {Philemon 1:2} ... to the beloved Apphia, Archippus our fellow soldier, and to the church in your house {1 Timothy 3:15} But if I tarry long, that you may know how you ought to behave yourself in the house of God, {God’s family} which is the church {the people} of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth. When Paul wrote these words, things were not as they are today, Just the thought of a church building to go to, and all of the money that goes into such edifices such as salaries, furnishings, etc., never once entered Paul's mind to sell the Word of God. Incorporating and devoting enormous amounts of money on physical structures was the last thing in the world that should ever have been done. And yet, it doesn't matter which it is-what denomination the institutional church is big business today, And don’t be fooled, That is exactly what it is all about, BIG BUSINESS….period! Can you even begin to imagine Jesus and His disciples putting their messages up for sale, along with all of their other miraculous works and ministry to people’s souls? Jesus Christ would never, EVER put His material on sale or give His ministry a formal name or even think to register it with Caesar to receive some tax breaks. 'Jesus and His disciples never acted as though they needed the world’s permission to minister the Truth. Think about it. Isn’t all of what we are witnessing today absolutely ludicrous? Again I say, think long and hard about all of this. What most Churches outside the square are witnessing in today’s local institutional churches is exactly the opposite of Jesus’ example! And these same people stand in the pulpit, Saturday or Sunday, holding the Bible in their hand and waving their arms around saying, "The Bible alone is our rule book for all of our ministry and practice…” {Romans 16:18} For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites and by fair and flattering words, they deceive the hearts of the simple-minded… Men have been striving hard in getting people to “go to church,”it doesn't matter which denomination- it is still the same people are working over time to get people to go to Church, thereby building up their local institutional church empire but Jesus is interested in building up His Church; and the two are not the same! TATIME: |
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