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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 12:49pm On Dec 13, 2018

Adam died spirituality as soon as he ate the apple..

brodalokie:
Your are bias. If a complete day is 1,000 then 930 could be in the evening of the same day

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 12:41pm On Dec 13, 2018

So these are posing as men pleases, these are the Watchtowers servants, not the servants for Christ!!.Ok....
So they are not begging for food-nor are they begging for clothing, nor are they begging for forgiveness, nor repentance!
So they are just people not looking for love-personally-they are looking for numbers to fill up kingdom hall!
{Ephesians 4:13-16} till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ; that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting, but, speaking the truth in love, may grow up in all things into Him who is the head—Christ— from whom the whole body, joined and knit together by what every joint supplies, according to the effective working by which every part does its share, causes growth of the body for the edifying of itself in love.
So if you are expecting me to give up Christ for your rich organisation, a denomination already ripping monies from the servants of the Watchtower-who stand on corners not preaching Christ but Watchtower literature twisting the Word of God-by trickery, in your cunning craftiness of deceitfulness, plotting against the body of Christ! "Then "No" you are out of luck, I will not give to help support your deceitful witchcraft, that only causes fiction between the body of Christ..

TATIME:
Sorry Sir i forgot to add a label!
These are Jehovah's Witnesses from different parts of the earth, unitedly worshipping their God as one big happy family!
Their backgrounds, upbringing, nationality, culture and skin color totally differs but as regards their beliefs and mindset THEY ARE ONE! John 17:15-19
But if you look carefully at them you'll notice (according to what you RIGHTLY said) that these individuals are either "selling something, selling themselves, need food,clothin and homes" FOR REAL.
So you can do well to supply them with what they're BEGGING for at least to show some concern like your charitable friend Pastor,Reverend,Father,Most Sn Apostle, Prophet, Dr zodiakzax (all protocol duly observed)

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 4:40am On Dec 13, 2018

Very True.

johnw47:
Hello brocab

What a Friend we have in Jesus

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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 4:37am On Dec 13, 2018

All I see is pictures of people posing, who are they, are they anybody special? Are they clowns at a carnival, why are they posing for the camera..Are they selling something-are they selling themselves, do they need food, clothing, do they need a home.

TATIME:
Pagans having visible,bold and confident Witnesses to show for their Paganism but true worshippers dispassed,faceless,timid and without any visible witnesses for identification!
Abeg oga, Shey you fit change the subject?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 4:27am On Dec 13, 2018

Yes the hole world does see, the JW's in action, and the hole world can read too, and after reading your so called love you have for other Christians outside your denomination, shows truly whom you are and what you stand for..

TATIME:
Friends that's none functioning, nothing to show for their friendship except arguing bitterly and facelessly on social media!
Hellooooooo the whole world can SEE Jehovah's Witnesses and the Love that permeates that single group!John 13:34,35

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 1:36am On Dec 12, 2018

Hello again Johnw47..

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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 1:30am On Dec 12, 2018

{John 2:18-22} NWT Bible "Therefore, in response the Jews said to him: “What sign can you show us, since you are doing these things?”
Jesus replied to them: “Tear down this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”
The Jews then said: “This temple was built in 46 years, and will you raise it up in three days?” But he was talking about the temple of his body. When, though, he was raised up from the dead, his disciples recalled that he used to say this, and they believed the scripture and what Jesus had spoken.
So His disciples believed it, I believe it, even the JW's believed it, but you don't believe it-but Jesus said in the Word of God He raised Himself up in three days.. The truth will set you free..

OneJ:
The truth can not set U free when U post a fictional, fabricated verse alien to the holy scriptures. U done even deny sef. Na your way.
Eat the humble pie & tender an apology to NL & our guests here..

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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 1:24am On Dec 12, 2018

This must be one of your favoured scriptures in the bible-{John 2:18-22} NWT Bible "Therefore, in response the Jews said to him: “What sign can you show us, since you are doing these things?”
Jesus replied to them: “Tear down this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”
The Jews then said: “This temple was built in 46 years, and will you raise it up in three days?” But he was talking about the temple of his body. When, though, he was raised up from the dead, his disciples recalled that he used to say this, and they believed the scripture and what Jesus had spoken.
So His disciples believed it, I believe it, even the JW's believed it, but you don't believe it-but Jesus said in the Word of God He raised Himself up in three days..

OneJ:
zodiakzax claims he is wise but his delusion is legendary.
" anyways Jesus said he will raise himself up..."
zodiakzax, "he will or I will" mean say him resurrection no happen that moment when Jesus talk am. ., (but na for future eee wan happen.)

In John 2:19, Jesus simply confirmed his belief in his forthcoming resurrection.

Cherry picker, Because U dey LIE, U no get ANY proof say Jesus resurrected himself.

The "eye witnesses" of Jesus resurrection , his apostles confirmed that Yahweh resurrected His servant , JesusChrist.
Acts 3:12,13,15. Eph 1:3,17,20 pour sand sand for your lie wey U dey perambulate for here..
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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 1:16am On Dec 12, 2018

The truth will set us free!

OneJ:
Stop quoting that blasphemous LIE inserted into your KJV .
He who manifested in the flesh" 1 Tim 3:16. is the authentic rendition.

That's how your gang composed the fiction of 1 John 5:7 & Rev 1:11, in your KJV, Geneva Bible & Douay-Rheims ( all of them translated from the corrupted textus receptus ( TR)16th century manuscript.
LIARS & expert Forgers.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 12:54am On Dec 12, 2018*

What more can I say-born again is a group of people whom the Father have joined together-to be one in Christ Just as Christ is One in the Father.

TATIME:
Yes oooooooo it's my "Cult" and i'm 100% OK with the "Cult" as long as i'm SEEING all the evidence of God's Holy Spirit in the activities of the "Cult" and none of you can present a group that's actively performing as TRUE Christians. So let God be my judge NOT YOU for preferring a CULT.

I pray the Lord will give you proper understanding, {1 John 1:5} This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all.
{Cults are not always based around religion, but those that are, are usually people mocking The Father the Son and the Holy Spirit! Jehovah witnesses are not only knowing by the world as a Cult, but it's members 'like you, recognises it as a Cult..}
{John 8:44} You are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

TATIME:
Yes oooooooo it's my "Cult" and i'm 100% OK with the "Cult" as long as i'm SEEING all the evidence of God's Holy Spirit in the activities of the "Cult" and none of you can present a group that's actively performing as TRUE Christians. So let God be my judge NOT YOU for preferring a CULT when there's of NO other to be presented before me!
God bless you again and again Sir!

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 12:12am On Dec 12, 2018

Yes we know, whom you worship-this is why your disbelief stops you from being saved. You claim to have Jesus, but yet you place Him inside a closet, you use Jesus-as a tool to be part of your argument.
When we pray for somebody, we pray in the name of Jesus, when we lay our hands on somebody that needs healing we pray in the name of Jesus, when we go into our private room we pray to the Father in Jesus name-we praise Jesus, we worship Jesus-why because it was the Father that brought us to Jesus, so we can be saved through Jesus..
{John 14:12-14} Truly, truly, I tell you, whoever believes in Me will also do the works that I am doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. And I will do whatever you ask in My name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask Me anything in My name, I will do it.
You claim to be saved through Jesus, but yet you put all your cares upon Jehovah only. So rightly saying, you are not saved unto Christ-but Jehovah alone, and everything you ask 'you ask in the name of Jehovah.

TATIME:
We worship only JEHOVAH! Deuteronomy 6:4,Mark 12:29
Jesus has the one He calls "my God" John 20:17
Satan asked Jesus to bow down and worship him, of course he couldn't have confronted the Almighty God to say so. Luke 4:8
What is impossible is to worship God acceptably without conforming to the instructions from God's only begotten son. Matthew 17:5
God bless you Sir!

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 2:27pm On Dec 11, 2018

I didn't force you to say anything, you said it on your own free will!
{Matthew 15:18} “Do you not yet realize that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then is eliminated?
But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and these things defile a man.
If you are tried, then stop, and go somewhere else, no one is forcing you to say anything, this is coming from your own heart..

TATIME:
Yes Sir my Cult.
Thanks Sir God bless you! What a relief oooooooooo
I should have known that that's just what you wanted me to say since. Matthew 10:25,12:27
Shey we can be friends now since we're concluding or agreeing on terms for example :Jehovah's Witnesses are "cults" though they're performing well but those who can't be SEEN are getting it right only in invisible settings!

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 2:19pm On Dec 11, 2018

We do worship God and Jesus as One..I go into my private room and Pray to the Father in Jesus name..

TATIME:
Gruni1234 must be meditating seriously now with this questions :
Is it true that every other religious groups claiming Christians that agreed with this idea that Jesus and Jehovah are the same person?
If so then why aren't they worshipping together as one?
If not then why is it that only Jehovah's witnesses are singled out as evil amongst all the others that disagreed with that doctrine?
Why is it that only Jehovah's witnesses have the confidence to go out and make publicly presentations of their beliefs?

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 1:24pm On Dec 11, 2018*

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The 27 year old is selling himself to the Watchtower, obviously he knows the hidden agenda's behind the secret society, he knows the Watchtower is open for business-it is either a dating line, leaving his number obviously, is a open door for anybody who is interested!
Dating lines are everywhere-but one would think Church would be the last place anybody would look, obviously the 27 year old, knows where to go to pick up men, women-Fornication happens in the Watchtower! He could be gay, looking for you, TATIME-your luck may even chance..
The rumour is, looking for fornication over night-call the Watchtower on +63 6969 feel free to have sex at anytime....
You need prayer-you need to repent, if this is Church to you picking up sex, then you are deafeningly working on the wrong side of Christianity.
I hope you don't come to my door, or anybodies door, somebody may accidentally bend over in front of you and your dirty deeds may become active and take advantage! Shame on you..

TATIME:
Maybe you guys are still not convinced about the idea of a unique organization or group being true Christians, you can meditate on what this young man is begging for in the below post.
Perhaps he has heard the JW females are the best in bedmatics,or he's just trying to pull their legs, or he's trying to say another thing but don't know how to present it.
The bottomline is "he singled out a group out of thousands of other religious groups" in order to get a female that's suitable for a "life partner"!
Please try to convince such ones like this before coming to me that being in a GROUP doesn't guarantee good WORKS as in fine FRUITS. 2Timothy 3:16,17 compression to Matthew 7:15-20
Certainly the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses is producing worthless fruits!

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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 12:02pm On Dec 11, 2018

TATIME:
Because he could see and continue to see Jehovah's Witnesses still waxing strong with their "cult"

I agree with you 100% no questions asked, I agree your CULT.

TATIME:
He must be somewhere now having deep thoughts about all that he read on this thread. Because he could see and continue to see Jehovah's Witnesses still waxing strong with their "cult" while your own folks are nowhere to be found except in the corners of the streets{Matthew 12:19} inside public transport entertaining NO questions or facelessly on NL.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 11:57am On Dec 11, 2018*

TATIME:
Yes you didn't fail but got it 100% correct. It's just that Jesus never did all of those with the exception of taking care of those who forgot themselves while listening to His wise counsel. Yes Jesus went to the streets feeding the hungry, clothing the nude, building houses for the homeless,searching for sick people to cure and visiting those in prison

You are still having trouble understanding the scripture, what we do for others, we do it for Jesus! It's not rocket science! When we witness more then the JW's ever do, we do it for Jesus..

TATIME:
Yes you didn't fail but got it 100% correct.

This is positive, thank you for your compliment-I really didn't think you had it in you to even think of becoming nice to me, surprise surprise..
{Ephesians 2:8-10} For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.
By grace we are saved through faith-we became His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works..

TATIME:
Yes you didn't fail but got it 100% correct. It's just that Jesus never did all of those with the exception of taking care of those who forgot themselves while listening to His wise counsel. Yes Jesus went to the streets feeding the hungry, clothing the nude, building houses for the homeless,searching for sick people to cure and visiting those in prison (except John who baptized Him)
Surely you've gotten enough Holy Spirit or let's just say Mr Holy Ghost is sitting beside you,Interpreting Jesus' statements to you one on one and making you understand the PRACTICAL aspect of it. Perhaps there is shortages of zodiakzaxes on earth, that's why this has not been so EFFECTIVE!
But wait o, Jesus directly uttered those words before His first and foremost followers. How come they never applied what their teacher taught them that way?should we conclude that you guys got the sense of it much more than His contemporary followers? Where can we read about such applications in the ACT OF APOSTLES? Should we say they forgot to apply it or forgot to record such events in the documents they handed over to our generation for a follow up?
Abeg this amusement is just too much!

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 10:54pm On Dec 10, 2018

TATIME:
Well if that's what you call the works of God's Holy Spirit, i'll say you failed woefully. Because Christianity was established in the first century and their activities were well documented in a Bible book entitled "Act of Apostles"

{Matthew 25:35-40} for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; I was nude and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’
“Then the righteous JW's will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or nude and clothe You? Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’
And the King will answer and say to them, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.
It wasn't I that failed 'but you failed refusing the Holy Spirit!

TATIME:
This post would have made real sense if that's what Jesus sent His followers out to go and do. Matthew 10:3-15,28:19,20
Please Sir what is the significance of voting for your human rulers?
Well if that's what you call the works of God's Holy Spirit, i'll say you failed woefully. Because Christianity was established in the first century and their activities were well documented in a Bible book entitled "Act of Apostles"
Abeg if what you're doing isn't following the early Christian's pattern bumper to bumper like what is recorded in the Bible, then it's not CHRISTIANITY but institutions formed to suit human reasoning as in your own righteousness NOT THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD. Romans 10:2,3
That's why i've been disturbing you guy to point out the works of God's Holy Spirit, because i'm sure you don't know what Christianity means!
For your information, all other seemingly good works outside the pattern set by God's only begotten son Jesus Christ is called FILTY RAGS before JEHOVAH God who sent HIS son to set the pattern for believers!

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 10:23pm On Dec 10, 2018

zodiakzax: is from the family of Christians "he built Hospitals, he opened up shelters for the homeless, he feeds the hungry and started up Churches, he opens up clothing stores to cloth the poor, the needy, he builds schools, he stands out in zero temperatures-on street corners witnessing, and by just a push of a button he travels the globe risking his live witnessing for Christ,.
{Matthew 25:40} “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

TATIME:
It's OK my friend, go and preach what you are saying now to people and teach them from the Bible that Jesus is the almighty God. Jehovah's Witnesses are zealously doing their own, Haba! how come it's those you're condemning that's ABLE to go out CONFIDENTLY to face people? Aren't you supposed to be fearless representatives the true God? When did Satan overthrow God? Who should be doing it with boldness, the fake or the original?
Abeg oga you have deceived yourself too much, it's time you pity yourself or cover your mouth in shame! Friend of a JW that smokes, humanizes, swindle people and full of tattoos, but ridiculing,cursing,insulting and antagonising other JWs because they believe the same thing just like his friend

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 9:57pm On Dec 10, 2018

TATIME:
None of you dare leave your rooms to go and face people uninvited like the bold and confident JWs because your arrogance,self esteem and worthless ego can't be hidden.

Door to door bible bashing doesn't suit our reputation, as a believer I don't push my beliefs on the brokenhearted nor widows or the needy, many see us by what fruit we produce, we don't brag about what we accomplish, we just do it, in the name of Jesus.
Who built Hospitals, Christians, who opened up shelters for the homeless, Christians, who feeds the hungry Christians, who started up Churches, Christians, who open up clothing stores for the poor, the needy, Christians, who builds schools, Christians, who stands out in zero temperatures-on street corners witnessing, Christians. Christians travel the globe risking their lives witnessing for Christ,..
This is the fruit we Christians do, without even thinking about it, and still we are always trying to find more ways to reach out to one more person at a time. 'We don't do this work for people to see us, nor do we brag about it, we do it because we love Jesus, more then ourselves.

TATIME:
It's obvious you're really enjoying spewing all that's not even taught in your so called Churches simply because you feel like arguing with JWs.
All these arguments are none founded in any reputable group and you know it, that's why you can't confidently say it's what so and so church teaches in order not to be left alone as "nobody send you".
Pentecostals are confused on the topic of Trinity, many are saying Jesus is different from Jehovah, some say that Jesus wasn't created but they can't say he's the same as Jehovah because that's going to give them a lot of scriptural text to contend with,going to meet people and claiming Jesus is the same as Jehovah is not easy. So the only easy way out to spew unfounded doctrines is arguing with JWs facelessly,namelessly and on baseless grounds!
For your information, there's a common secret in Islam that "Muhammad wasn't created,he has been existing before any other thing as (the light)" so most Islamic scholars linked Proverbs 8:22-31 to Muhammad, inquisitive individuals like me wants to be sure of whom Proverbs was referring to, that's why i have to keep seeking for the truth.Proverbs 2:1-5 Matthew 7:7,8
Nobody nor group of persons could give a satisfying answer until i met Jehovah's Witnesses, they respectfully presented their interpretation of that Bible text and i can't just help it but to bow to unimaginably high intellect that comes with indisputable mildness and self-control. 1Peter 3:15
None of you dare leave your rooms to go and face people uninvited like the bold and confident JWs because your arrogance,self esteem and worthless ego can't be hidden.
So it's either you just start disturbing the peace of passengers in public buses, speaking to the air around the corner of your street to avoid questioning and confrontations or sit in your room typing all sort of rubbish that you can't even discuss face to face with your neighbor living in the next apartment!
Abeg Jehovah's witnesses are the true Christians but if you want me to feel you, go and preach to your neighbors and let's see if you've got the liver to spew all these nonsense and ingredients face to face with people!

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 9:25pm On Dec 10, 2018*

Well if this is true, then why are you trying so hard to destroy the Word of God instead of trying to acknowledge it.
Personally you won't see us witnessing, verbally you have it written in front of you, but truthfully we are on the go always witnessing to those who are interested.
Door to door bible bashing doesn't suit our reputation, as a believer I don't push my beliefs on the brokenhearted nor widows or the needy, many see us by what fruit we produce, Who built most Hospitals, Christians, who opened up shelters for the homeless, Christians, who feeds the hungry Christians, who started up Churches, Christians, who open up clothing stores to cloth the poor and the needy, Christians, who builds schools, Christians, who stands out in zero temperatures-on street corners witnessing, Christians. Christians travel the globe ricking their lives witnessing for Christ,..
This is the fruit we Christians do, without even thinking about it, and still we are always trying to find more ways to reach out to one more person at a time. 'We don't do this work for people to see us, nor do we brag about it, we do it because we love Jesus, more then ourselves.
A large difference between Christians and JW's, you brag about your works, you want people to see what you are doing more in the community then the rest of us are doing!

TATIME:
Dear Daddy G.O,Father,Reverend,Pastor,Most Sn Apostle,Prophet,Dr zodiakzax all protocols duly observed Sir. You're 100% correct Sir, truthfully speaking i don't know anything about Christianity but i want to know, that's why i wish to SEE those practicing Christianity in the right sense so as to learn the practical applications of Christianity from them,since you people are always contradicting yourselves. But since i can only see Jehovah's Witnesses,activities coupled with their fine conducts and respectful approach,don't worry anymore i'll conclude that they're the one and only Christian GROUP today! Romans 10:13-15 God bless you Sir

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 8:37pm On Dec 10, 2018

The JW's don't know anything about the gospel-but we are enjoying the ride still preaching to them-plus if he was really a Muslim-then Jesus, son of Mary', or Jesus, is understood to be the penultimate prophet and messenger of God (Allah) So why he joined the JW's who believe Jesus is Michael the archangel is really contradicting himself at a lower level of any understanding..

zodiakzax:
Brocab, this guy doesn't know anything about the scriptures, he's using his own imagination like the way he was taught as A Muslim, can't you see it's so obvious that He doesn't even know that Jesus didn't talk about any group in the Bible? Anytime scripture is used against him he dodges and start saying silly things instead of proving to us we are wrong... he's a joke.. pagan boy...little demon with a fork...

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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 4:02am On Dec 10, 2018

We are not expecting you to understand whom Jesus was, is and is coming back.
{1 Timothy 3:16} God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.

Barristter07:
Who is the one God ?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 3:14am On Dec 10, 2018*

You got that right, you do have another Jesus-My Jesus said: before Abraham was born I Am: {John 8:58}
{John 1:1-3} In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.
This isn't saying that Jesus was created. It's saying that Jesus was the source of creation. He was the beginning of all things. It's showing that through him, all things were created.

Barristter07:
The Jesus of the bible is the beginning of Gods creation. He was created, ( Rev 3:14) So you are the one with a different Jesus

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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 2:51am On Dec 10, 2018

You are right it isn't my business how you see your Jesus, your Jesus in the Watchtower, "he is a murderer, He came as the angel of light to kill and destroy, he came as the light bearer, he is a lair-from the beginning..
It is only my business to judge you by your fruit-how you understand Jesus is not my concern-because your Jesus and my Jesus are two different people-where I have been trying to tell you from the beginning-finely you are starting to realise it.
{"My Jesus paid the price, and you can't do that for one of your own}
But not only I, have been telling you, you have a different Jesus-and a different gospel, we all have been telling you repeatedly you don't witness the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit-you witness the false prophet, the beast and Satan, it is they that fornicate against innocent Children, lie, and refuse to give blood to save a soul.

TATIME:
Thanks to Jehovah for giving James a measure of the Holy Spirit to pen down those words!
Whether i said Jesus is my househelp, gateman, cleaner, driver or even messenger,what matters is the fruitage of what Jesus is accomplishing with His group as a flock.
So whatever i call my own Jesus is none of your business, what is needed is how far Jesus is able to use you in His works, hello Sir that's what every right thinking person want to SEE in other to believe that truly Jesus is with you! Matthew 28:20

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 1:43am On Dec 10, 2018

TATIME:
I'm not one of the Born Agains, because my own part of the promise is everlasting life on earth! Psalms 37:9-11,29,Proverbs 2:20-22,Isaiah 35:6,65:21-23,Matthew 5:5,Revelations 14:6

Well finely you have admitted you are not a true Christian-but someone who thinks he is saved through a denomination that had only been around since 1830.."Has got me baffled..

TATIME:
The born again members of Jehovah's witnesses are surely the meekest, in fact they're the ones that over 8 million of us are trying hard to imitate their faith. You can never find a born again Jehovah's witness debating or arguing with you on social media! Because they always display all the qualities of the Holy Spirit in a perfect way, if you know them you will be moved to say "truly,these are the Christlike ones"

Are you lying to me again-As it is written: "There is no one righteous, not even one; so how do you become prefect? "And how does 144000 add up to be 8 million-and how does the Holy Spirit work-if you believe He is an it? You refuse to believe the Holy Spirit is One of the God head, so how would He work in a prefect way? So how do you try so hard to imitate your faith, when you can't accept truth? Plus I am not expecting to find a born again JW' either-which of course it leaves you out of the spotlights, "Do you realise-Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.…

TATIME:
What baffles me is their attitudes towards people, because they must be the meekest of all people on earth before been given the privilege to serve as rulers alongside Jesus the lamb. But when i see those claiming born again Christians today, i laugh so much since their attitudes totally conflicts with that of those the Bible described as born again!

What baffles me, why someone like you, would even think they are a Christian-when you lie against the truth-you don't like the way we defend our Lord Jesus, then you must be on the wrong page, we react and respond to your feed back to us, your attitude towards Christ 'stinks, we judge by your fruit-which is your attitude towards us, we will always defend our beliefs, like you defend the Watchtower, personally we don't know you, "But that's Ok-I am happy with that..

TATIME:
When reading posts my friend, try to calm down in order to fully understand what the other person is trying to say so that you can know how to give a meaningful and mind catching response.
I'm not one of the Born Agains, because my own part of the promise is everlasting life on earth! Psalms 37:9-11,29,Proverbs 2:20-22,Isaiah 35:6,65:21-23,Matthew 5:5,Revelations 14:6
God's Kingdom was to be established in Jerusalem,( Isaiah 2:2-4) the King must be a perfect person from heaven "not one of Adam's sinful descendants" (Isaiah 11:10,Daniel 12:1) from there God's chosen King will rule over the whole earth(Daniel 2:44),His corulers must be chosen from the sons of Israel(Genesis 22:18, Revelations 7:4-8,14:1 But the Israelites kept killing God's prophets who were sent to them to enlighten them concerning the arrival of the chosen one (Messiah or Christ). Finally they were plotting to kill even the Messiah Himself, so Jesus told them that Jerusalem has lost that glory.(Matthew 23:37) His followers were confused because they strongly believe that Jesus is the Messiah but now He is saying evil will befall Jerusalem (their supposed government sit). Luke 21:5,6 Knowing their thoughts, Jesus now told them that they will still rule with Him but their government house will no more be in Jerusalem anymore but in HEAVEN(John 14:1-4) that's how the idea of going to heaven started. So it's not for all faithful servants of God but only to a limited number of His chosen corulers.
They must drop this human flesh and become spirit persons, that's the meaning of being Born Again!
They must first be born by water :meaning they must learn how to rule from Jesus Christ and become His baptised follower so none of all the prophets prior to that time can't be among the Born Agains. John 3:5 compared with Matthew 11:11
They must be born by spirit :meaning they're not going to heaven with the flesh so God will transform them into spirit beings before they can go to heaven.
What baffles me is their attitudes towards people, because they must be the meekest of all people on earth before been given the privilege to serve as rulers alongside Jesus the lamb. But when i see those claiming born again Christians today, i laugh so much since their attitudes totally conflicts with that of those the Bible described as born again!
The born again members of Jehovah's witnesses are surely the meekest, in fact they're the ones that over 8 million of us are trying hard to imitate their faith. You can never find a born again Jehovah's witness debating or arguing with you on social media! Because they always display all the qualities of the Holy Spirit in a perfect way, if you know them you will be moved to say "truly,these are the Christlike ones"

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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 2:27pm On Dec 09, 2018

They do, pray to them both! One of their god's is Russell and the other is Rutherford, they keep these two in their prayers before bed time..

zodiakzax:
Silly goat like you... little devil with fork attacking innocent God loving people, answer the question you can't, but you have mouth to talk about scriptures...illiterate... pagan believing that there are two gods in Christianity, why don't you pray to them both since they are two. Every God deserve praise and worship.... Satan is your Father...

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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 1:56pm On Dec 09, 2018*

I hate looking at people that are going to hell-it's sad, why would someone like you, show me these poor confused people-they don't know the Lord, and it's people like you who are stopping them finding Jesus in their hearts.

TATIME:
So what will vindicate this unique GROUP as being innocent of all this blackmailing, criticism and antagonism due to the hatred others had against them? Jesus said "by their FRUITS". Matthew 7:17-19 compared to Isaiah 54:17

You have to be full of hatred towards these innocent souls, shame on you, your judgement will come, repent while you have the chance-ask the Lord to forgive you, and after you have done that try and witness some truth into these poor people in these photo's..

TATIME:
Today Jehovah's Witnesses are zealously doing good WORKS and instead of YOU to learn from them how they're able to achieve this YOU are condemning the signs yet YOU can't present another group that's performing better! Now i am fully convinced Satan is truly an evil genius, because i can't understand how you'll be condemning VIVID VIRTUOUS WORKS for NO visible WORKS. For your information Paul an Apostle of Jesus Christ said if a group is able to display the nine qualities of God's Holy Spirit THERE IS NO LAW YOU CAN FABRICATE against them. Galatians 5:22,23

Again you are focus on works-don't you understand, Jesus never had a denomination a building made by man-He called home-He said one must be born again, He never mentioned we have to join a cult 'you happen to call a Church.
{Jesus made it clear about what sort of people He had chosen to be with Him, He said one must be born again before he can enter into the kingdom of God-If born again isn't classed as a group, then you have no hope becoming one of Jesus's chosen few}
If we were to preach the truth, we need faith-along with our works, "But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead? You are dead in your works, there is nothing special about you-nothing at all! You never talk about faith-all I hear is your bragging about how great your organisation stands. {Can't you see the differences, you brag about your Watchtower organisation, and I brag about Christ}
While you go door to door sitting in the comforts of somebody's home.. We go places where you are afraid to go, Christians are called to fight wars, I wear my armor everyday because we come up against the principalities and the demonic of darkness every moment of the day we preach about Jesus!
You don't. because the spirit in you is obviously demonic cool

If Satan drives out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then can his kingdom stand?

TATIME:
During the time of Jesus and the Apostles there were many evil things spoken against them to tarnish the Christians back then.
Speaking against Jesus Himself as the leader of the GROUP this are the quotations~Matthew 12:24-27,Luke 11:15-19:
Speaking against the Christians as a GROUP this are the quotations~ Act 14:19,17:13,24:5
Jesus said His TRUE followers as a unique GROUP will also face the same thing from time to time in the hands of misinformed religious people. Matthew 5: 11,12,10:25
So what will vindicate this unique GROUP as being innocent of all this blackmailing, criticism and antagonism due to the hatred others had against them? Jesus said "by their FRUITS". Matthew 7:17-19 compared to Isaiah 54:17
Paul said the TRUE Christians will be speaking the same thing anywhere people found then as a GROUP. 1Corinthians 1:10,Philippians 2:2:
James said they will be able to do fine works that's undeniable. James 2:18-26
Today Jehovah's Witnesses are zealously doing good WORKS and instead of YOU to learn from them how they're able to achieve this YOU are condemning the signs yet YOU can't present another group that's performing better! Now i am fully convinced Satan is truly an evil genius, because i can't understand how you'll be condemning VIVID VIRTUOUS WORKS for NO visible WORKS. For your information Paul an Apostle of Jesus Christ said if a group is able to display the nine qualities of God's Holy Spirit THERE IS NO LAW YOU CAN FABRICATE against them. Galatians 5:22,23
Yes all of you including many on social media have gathered together to malign Jehovah's Witnesses but there's just TWO aspects that YOU'VE failed woefully.
One: tell the world what this wonderful group has done that's evil apart from quoting the Bible against them because they're also quoting the same Bible against you!
Two:present another group to replace them so that everyone can see how Christianity ought to be done!
Now that's just what i've been trying to figure out from all of YOU since 1992 that i've been meeting people from different religious groups although all of them are having contradicting doctrines and conflicting teachings yet they're all (even Muslims inclusive) pointing accusing fingers against Jehovah's Witnesses as if YOU'RE united as one family.
I'm thanking all YOU critics for helping me to build more confidence and assurance in this one and only group preaching and teaching zealously across the globe as a united happy family "JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES" Act 5:41
God bless all of YOU!

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 1:06pm On Dec 09, 2018*

{2 John 1:9-11} Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him; for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.
And I am not prepared to share with you in these evil deeds of yours, and I am not prepared to allow a JW to bring corruption into my home, if you were born again you would share the truth about Christ-but you don't share the truth about Christ-your Jesus is Michael the archangel-this is your doctrine, this is not the same doctrine I have been taught through "the Word of God, we don't have the same Spirit teaching us..

TATIME:
That's why there is nothing to show for all your arguments yet Jehovah's Witnesses have just too much to present as proof of the backing of God's Holy Spirit.

{James 2:18} But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. {Your faith by your works, is teaching Watchtower literature-this is not what Jesus was preferring too}

TATIME:
For your information, Jehovah's Witnesses believe in being Born Again but it's a pity that instead of humbly learning from them the "practical applications" of what Jesus said you're all misapplying it and it's obvious because there are thousands versions of Born Again applications amongst YOU with contradicting doctrines and conflicting teachings of what being born again means.

If this was really true-you are born again you would bring to me the Word of God-not some doctrine man had made up along the way, trying to justified themselves every time they were proven to be liars.

TATIME:
For your information, Jehovah's Witnesses believe in being Born Again but it's a pity that instead of humbly learning from them the "practical applications" of what Jesus said you're all misapplying it and it's obvious because there are thousands versions of Born Again applications amongst YOU with contradicting doctrines and conflicting teachings of what being born again means.
On the other hand Jehovah's Witnesses explained what it means and i've met many born again Christians in their midst but unlike your own various confusing and conflicting interpretations Jehovah's Witnesses are applying everything with wisdom. Hellooooooo WISDOM is one of the attributes of the TRUE God so if there is no wisdom (practical applications of accumulated information for lasting benefits) in what you're saying, how do you expect to have dedicated members like Jehovah's Witnesses? Philippians 4:7
That's why there is nothing to show for all your arguments yet Jehovah's Witnesses have just too much to present as proof of the backing of God's Holy Spirit.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 5:00am On Dec 09, 2018*

TATIME:
So if you're now saying that the Jehovah's Witnesses with all their well established organizational arrangements,documentations,global recognition,zealous membership that's noticeable all around the neighborhood,and persistency in what they're calling Kingdom preaching and teaching is wrong but refuse to present a better option that everyone can SEE their activities to know how Christianity should be PRACTICED, please that means there nothing different from the religion i abandoned!
I'm not disputing what you're saying anymore but present a group that's doing better than Jehovah's Witnesses as Christians that's all!

Since you are having trouble believing the truth from me, Why not try reading it from the bible which is the Word of God, it clearly states, One must be Born again before he can enter into the kingdom of God: once a Muslim now a JW' does not match up to the scriptures-you are born into the Watchtower, like you were born into a Muslim-if you really wanted to make a difference in your life, try reading the Word of God-instead of making up excuses why you can't?
Jesus never asked you to become born again in the name of a Church building-like you have done-don't you understand the Spirit of God don't live in buildings made by man-the veil was spit in two from top to bottom, the Spirit of God left the building built by men, Jesus paying the price-had given us an opportunity now the Spirit of God resides in each of us, as we now believe...
{John 3:3} Jesus replied, "Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again."
These are the true Christians-the bible talks about the ones who are filled with the Holy Spirit..
{1 John 4:6} We are of God. He who knows God hears us; he who is not of God does not hear us. By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error.
We have shared with you information about the false JW and still you refuse to believe it-and you are asking for proof-open your eye's and search for information about your organisation, stop wasting my time, wanting proof, you have joined a cult-and the proof is written all over the net..

TATIME:
For your information "THIS IS NOT HOW,WHERE or SYSTEM Jehovah's Witnesses preach about God's Kingdom" this is just a debate to present what is holding us back from agreeing with you that you're Christians.
All these arguments is centered on a unique group that's known globally for some forms of activities as they're claiming to be the One and only TRUE Christian group,but many like you are saying it's not so, therefore present another group that's performing better as Christians in order that we learn from them how things ought to be done.
I was a Muslim,the only thing that attracted me to Christianity is proper documentation of how things were done by ancient faithfuls, in Islam we don't have anything like documentation so no group is outstanding because there is no accurate,trusted and reliable account of the life history of Muhammad,so Muslims can't copy anything virtuous from him and how he actually established Islam unlike Christianity that Jesus' life and ministry was well documented as gospels by MATTHEW, MARK, LUKE and JOHN,the way His followers PRACTICED what Jesus taught them was also well documented as ACT OF APOSTLES by a Christian named LUKE. All of these is missing in Islam, that's why there is bloody contradictions amongst Muslims.
So if you're now saying that the Jehovah's Witnesses with all their well established organizational arrangements,documentations,global recognition,zealous membership that's noticeable all around the neighborhood,and persistency in what they're calling Kingdom preaching and teaching is wrong but refuse to present a better option that everyone can SEE their activities to know how Christianity should be PRACTICED, please that means there nothing different from the religion i abandoned!
I'm not disputing what you're saying anymore but present a group that's doing better than Jehovah's Witnesses as Christians that's all!

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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 4:17am On Dec 09, 2018

You have not understood-I am not talking about sharing JW literature to him-I am talking about sharing the truth to Him

TATIME:
That's exactly my point! So if there is NO religious group that's following exactly what Jesus taught back then as you're saying now,how is Jesus to be referred to as Lord? I suppose Lord means a commander of a host of followers,and how can interested persons worship since all the groups around are business oriented?
Mr Gruni1234 can learn from what is VISIBLE not what he can't see! You're all doing well with the quoting of Bible texts but where can he go with his family for upbuilding talks and encouragement? (Hebrews 10:24,25) You've done so well in condemning Jehovah's Witnesses with all your time and energy but what's next? Should he just stay indoors and worship alone with his family? Remember that the one and only group that's going to meet people in their homes is Jehovah's Witnesses, apart from this group all others you're condemning now as money making ventures. So what religious group should he associate with for further enlightenment?
I want to believe you're all sincere and truthful with all these efforts made so far but it's compulsory that a group is presented for interested individuals to SEE and learn through them how Christianity should be PRACTICED. God bless you!

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 4:15am On Dec 09, 2018*

Now we can't beat the truth 'now can we, The Word of God had beating you once again!
{1 John 4:4-6} You are of God, little children, and have overcome them, because He who is in you is greater than he who is in the world.
The {JW's} are of the world. Therefore they speak as of the world, and the world hears them. {JW's}
We {born again believers } are of God. He who knows God hears us; he who is not of God does not hear us. "By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error.
You don't know God-if you knew God, you would believe everything God tells you-open your eye's - it says it clearly even the JW's believe it that much they even wrote it.
{John 2:18-22} Therefore, in response the Jews said to him: “What sign can you show us,k since you are doing these things?”
19 Jesus replied to them: “Tear down this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 The Jews then said: “This temple was built in 46 years, and will you raise it up in three days?” 21 But he was talking about the temple of his body.
22 When, though, he was raised up from the dead, his disciples recalled that he used to say this,n and they believed the scripture and what Jesus had spoken.{His Disciples believed everything Jesus told them}

OneJ:
Even after U quoted the scriptures, U had to twist it to sweeten your falsehood.
Your god died and resurrected himself.
Dubious man.
John 2:22
"After he was raised from the dead, his disciples recalled what he (Jesus) had said."

Who resurrected Jesus? Or Jesus resurrected himself ?

"Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.... when He raised him (Christ) from the dead and seated him (Christ) at his right hand in the heavenly realms"
Eph 1:3,20.

" I keep asking that (Yahweh) the God of our Lord Jesus Christ , the glorious Father, may give you the spirit of wisdom" to comot this mumu trinity from your brain.
Eph 1:17

Paul & JWs dey pray for your deliverance....
Press. 'exit' mode.
The ball is in your court.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 1:48am On Dec 08, 2018*

I have written to Gruni 1234 and he seems to be looking for a different Jesus, the sweet little old man type, he wouldn't accept the fact, it is necessary to leave family and friends behind if needed be, of course he had taken things out of context..
I pray with what understanding we have written down for him, the Lord will open up his heart-give him understanding the Father teaches His Children through love and obedience..
Does good mix with the bad, or does Good mix with good-after we have become born again-It's a matter of decision-and in most cases this decision isn't something that can happen over night-but I will say this: it does happen if we persist..
"The Word of God can take years before we start to understand what it means to separate ourselves from the world.
But in most cases the Churches are open for business looking for that little old man JW type, who said: if you bow down before me, I will give you the desires of your heart. "People are always looking for a easy life of health and wealth-refusing to be obedient to our heavenly Father, Is this the obedience we as fathers give to our Children-do we give them everything their hearts desires, without having some sort of obedience..

zodiakzax:
Thanks... and by the Lords grace and Mercy they and gruni123 will come to the Lord...

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