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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 4:02pm On Jan 27, 2019*

TATIME:
THEORIES! THEORIES!! THEORIES!!!

No 'Word 'Word 'Word of God, Is the answer!!! This same Word you deny..

TATIME:
Jehovah's Witnsesses are also TEACHING their own THEORIES but we're now asking for the PRACTICAL

This is true-you are asking for your theories and asking man alone for the Practical..

TATIME:
Jehovah's Witnesses have formed a global group (Isaiah 2:1-4) and it's obvious that what they are teaching is VISIBLE in their midst! Galatians 5:22,23
So we're not saying "you people can't read the Bible" but over 8million people worldwide are saying we've seen the EVIDENCE of God's holy spirit backing Jehovah's Witnesses PERIOD! Zechariah 8:23

You believe there is One God even the demons believe and refuse His Word-Jesus say's one must be born again before he can enter into the kingdom of God!
So what evidence have you ever produced-only the fact that 8 million people have been lied too-you have been baptised in the name of the Father {Jehovah} the Son {Michael the archangel} and the Holy Spirit {An active force}
I would believe you if you were baptised in the name of The Beast, the False Prophet and the Antichrist, '"But claiming to be some what saved under what authority you may think you have-and without producing any evidence to prove the Holy Spirit would even back up a false gospel the Jehovah witnesses proclaim-Then I have the rights to judge you by what fruit you have produced-you are a lair and a false prophet!!!
{Romans 10:17} So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.
So where is your faith JW when you had denied all truth about Christ and nothing but the truth Amen!!!

TATIME:
THEORIES! THEORIES!! THEORIES!!!
Jehovah's Witnsesses are also TEACHING their own THEORIES but we're now asking for the PRACTICAL
Jehovah's Witnesses have formed a global group (Isaiah 2:1-4) and it's obvious that what they are teaching is VISIBLE in their midst! Galatians 5:22,23
So we're not saying "you people can't read the Bible" but over 8million people worldwide are saying we've seen the EVIDENCE of God's holy spirit backing Jehovah's Witnesses PERIOD! Zechariah 8:23

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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 11:26pm On Jan 26, 2019

Listed in the bible are 'One must be born again before he can enter into the Kingdom of God-this is the only group of people who are listed to be with the Lord when He returns!
Your organisation have not come into agreement with this yet-now I am not saying it will never happen 'God can do miracles, and He can change nations through prayer.
But until you read the Word of God, you may never come to know the truth about God, you may never realise this is the truth we have been preaching to you all along, the Word of God did not come from the Watchtower, and we don't call on the name of Jehovah to be saved-Jesus's name is above every other name in Heaven on Earth and under the Earth..He is the true God and everlasting..

TATIME:
You are the worstest analyser ever!
Someone is POINTING to a group that he is SEEING working out the qualities listed at Galatians 5:22,23 whereas these ones are saying it's not so. OK tell us the name of that group that is working out these qualities, they remain silent on that.
Try to open your mind to embrace the TRUTH Sir,if you are saying there is God and there are FAKE groups claiming they are worshipping this ONE God, is it not stupidity if you are not able to POINT,SHOW,NAME,DIRECT honest hearted persons to the group doing fine in QUALITIES listed in the Bible?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 3:15pm On Jan 26, 2019*

I am sure many of us would like to believe you and your comrades are walking in the Spirit-but your fruit gives you away-your pride gives you away, if you had the Spirit of God within-you wouldn't need to brag about your ordeal, because your focus will be on Christ, everything we do is Christ within-His glory that should be magnified, not your glory by works..
{Galatians 5:16-18} So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. For the flesh craves what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are opposed to one another, so that you do not do what you want. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law.…
The Spirit of God stands within, where He is seen by the believers, while you claim to be somewhat a believer and still you can't recognise Him.
{Galatians 5:13–15} "We are called to freedom . . . so through love be servants of one another”
The Spirit of God is using men and women all over the world-equally they are filled in the Spirit of God spreading His gospel.
Now this gospel the Lord said to spread across the globe is not your gospel-you are spreading a completely different gospel, which doesn't line up with the Word of God-your love does not shine-its full of darkness-it's a controlled system created by the Watchtower society.
This is not Christ in you-Christ does not shine bright within your organisation-of course I am not expecting you to agree-your darkness in the light does not shine
{2 Corinthians 6:14} Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness?
The darkness in you can not shine in the day-it could take years for someone with your intellectual abilities to know the truth within the body of Christ, until you decide to study the Word of God-you will always walk on the outer circle, it takes a lot of strength to accept the truth-and to walk in the Spirit of God!
Your works are dead-what more can I say? You can believe the JW's have it what it takes, your works is only works-you can't accept the truth about Christ, because the spirit in you is the spirit of Antichrist.
God had allowed you to believe the lie-because you don't have His Spirit of God in you to believe the truth!!

TATIME:
According to Paul's letter to the Galatians, it's not for humans like you and i to determine where the Spirit of God is operating because there is no group of persons that will agree they are worshiping Satan. Paul only listed the qualities of God's holy spirit so that honest hearted individuals can SEE these qualities for recognising the group in whose midst God's spirit is WORKING. Paul knew that there will be criticism over this so he concluded after verifying these qualities "don't raise any other law against such a Group" Galatians 5:22,23

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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 2:26am On Jan 26, 2019

TATIME:
Jehovah's Witnesses are the ONE and ONLY group globally that's working out these qualities AS A GROUP, all other religious groups are just saying "we know these,we know that" but they're not working out any tangible as in profitable thing with all their established religions!

JW's are the only group globally destroying the Word of God, they believe through head knowledge this gives them the keys to their own glory.
JW's don't believe in the Spirit of God-they refuse the Word of God..
{They lie against Galatians 5:22-23} But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control.
This scripture has not nothing to do with you JW's, the Spirit of Love Joy Peace-is the Spirit of God within the body of Christ. Your fruit is this, the Watchtower abuses those outside the body of their organisation everybody that don't belong are hated by you and your fellow comrades.
{Romans 7:21-25} So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.
JW first you need the Spirit of God-before you can serve the living God..

TATIME:
You could be right you know? But Jesus said "you're wrong!" How?
Well consider this fact for a moment. At Galatians 5:22,23 apostle Paul listed 9 qualities of God's holy spirit but according to Paul himself, he is not meeting up with those qualities rather he's only TRYING within his power while relying much on the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ. Romans 7:21-25
So what then is the import of Galatians 5:22,23? It simply means these are the qualities that's expected of all candidates of Paradise but a careful study of God's word makes us understand that it's only Jesus that's the embodiment of all those qualities! Therefore what honest hearted individuals should be expecting is a GROUP where these qualities are complete in their movement. Against such a GROUP Paul said "there is NO law!"
Jehovah's Witnesses are the ONE and ONLY group globally that's working out these qualities AS A GROUP, all other religious groups are just saying "we know these,we know that" but they're not working out any tangible as in profitable thing with all their established religions!
Whoever is arguing against Jehovah's Witnesses is only deceiving himself/herself, Jesus said "wisdom is justified by her children"(Luke 7:35) meaning no matter how much arguments Pharisees, Sadducees, Scribes or other religious title bearers put up against God's servants, the result will show who is having God's backing!

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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 1:12am On Jan 25, 2019*

Can somebody tell me, is there any sense to janosky page below-It looks like mumble jumble filling up his page..
Janosky you should settle down like Tatime had done-he is finish with the Watchtowers silly arguments against the Word of God!
You need to give it up-and have a little breather, your non understanding of the bible is getting worst, get some rest and read the bible that fits into your language-your English writing is poor to understand.
Janosky you need the Spirit of God to give you understanding-your own understanding is dead-I know it is hard for you to understand this coming from a non JW-but everyone would agree-you need God-to understand God!
You are arguing against yourselves, none of us will agree with you, nor would we walk and accept your false religion, the truth is God's Word 'He lived amongst men {John 1:1, 14} We have given you His Word-we have explained His Word over and over, and still you disbelieve it.

Janosky:
Common sense taught u not to throw away the baby & the bath water.

*kJV used God's name Jehovah in few places(Exodus 6:3, Ps83:18, (thats commendable) although u brocab have ridiculed how that name came about.

*However, everyone knows that some verses in KJV were falsified & doctored for devious purposes.
Those verses did not reflect whats exactly in old Greek manuscripts texts discovered this days.

*In John 1:1 , the real meaning that the writer intended is that Jesus the word was divine,(that's the real agreement of John 1:1 & John 20:17,30,31).
But because una no get sense, una say God na Jesus
even though v2 open una eyes say Jesus was with God ,& jesus say him own God na your God (v20:17).
. John The writer still end am say last last "believe that Jesus is the son of GOD"(John 20:30,31).

Una no agree. brocab no like truth at all
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brocab lying Pharisee, Jesus is not "God's spoken word", he was appointed as "God's spokesman" , that is the true meaning of "the word of God" (Heb1:1,2. Rev19:13).

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 1:33am On Jan 23, 2019

The Pharisees in Jesus day's never worked it out either! It hasn't changed 'still the JW Pharisees in this day and age can't seem to work it out..Jesus was never separated from the Father-they were One-everything the Father told Jesus to do-Jesus done it to plan, Father like Son..

Janosky:
Brocab educated illiterate & lying Pharisee , according to you "if Jesus is the word of God-then he is God's spoken Word-your voice belongs to you"

Your argument is not with me, it's against the Word of God-{John 1:1} explains who the Word is, In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
{John 1:14} explains it further. The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us.
You are arguing against yourselves, we believe what we see and write-you can see it written-but you deny it's written, it was the Jehovah’s Witnesses who printed the King James Version on their own printing presses.
You should read up a little history about your organisation-Do you know by 1992 the Witnesses had produced 1,858,368 copies of the KJ's version, the Watchtower approved it, signed it, and sent out 1,858,368 copies around the world..
This proves your argument is against your denomination, none of you stand together, you are divided against yourselves-you can't decide if the King James is true, "Jesus said: test it, test the spirit behind it, question it, why did the Watchtower approved the KJ's bible sent it out to be true!

Janosky:
Brocab educated illiterate & lying Pharisee , according to you "if Jesus is the word of God-then he is God's spoken Word-your voice belongs to you"

Your God cried out to himself with a loud voice:
" My God my God why have you forsaken me?" Matt27:46.

brocab lying Pharisee , come & deny your lies, & reframe it as usual.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 1:45pm On Jan 22, 2019

So you have ran out of things to say! That's Ok-go and have a flesh start and study the Word of God!

TATIME:
It's OK Sir God bless you!

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 1:39pm On Jan 22, 2019

Jesus is the Word of God..And if Jesus is the Word-then He is God's spoken Word-your voice belongs to you, God's voice is Jesus speaking into existence..

Janosky:
My points & posers are very valid .

Johnw lying Pharisee Mr Twister seeking every emergency to scram
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"One of the soldiers pierced Jesus side with a spear.... for these things took place that the scriptures might be fulfilled.... "They shall look on him whom they have pierced"
john19:34-37.

"Jesus cried out with a loud voice: My God (Jehovah),my God (jehovah) why have you forsaken me?" (a prophecy of psalms 22:1).

More solid evidence that Jesus is not JEHOVAH,his God.

Let us apply Johnw fake analogy of Zechariah 12:10=Rev1:7 compared to Psalms 22:1= Matt 27:46,
Johnw lying Pharisee has lied that YAHWEH was crying out loud to himself ;
"Yahweh, Yahweh, why have u forsaken (abandoned) yourself?"

Johnw lying Pharisee no get sense.
Educated illiterate confirmed!!!!!!!

Get out ta here with your foolishness.
Jesus is NOT Jehovah.
Open your heart to the truth & set yourself free John 8:32.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 1:28pm On Jan 22, 2019

Well no-one is expecting you to understand the topics we bring forward-but I will try and explain this to you-so maybe you may have enough sense to have a revelation to understand-who the Word is, and how the living Word existed and lived among men.
In {John 1} we are told, God tells how he used Jesus to create the world. Many ask this question, why does Genesis not mention this? Why doesn't it mention Jehovah's name in the first chapter of Genesis either! It say's God created the Heavens and the earth!
You see, {John 1:1} doesn’t actually say that “Jesus” helped God create the world.
It says “the word” created the world and everything in it, “Word” is from the Greek “logos”, which means “spoken word”, “message”,
Read what it says: In the beginning was the spoken word {of God} and the spoken words came from God, and the spoken words were {part of} God.
They were in the beginning with God. All things were made through the Word and God, and nothing exists without them. In them was life, and the life was the light of men.
And the light shone in the darkness, and the darkness comprehended it not.
And the spoken Word (of God) became flesh and dwelt among us, {the Word is Jesus spoken by God} and we beheld his glory, the glory as of a unique Son of the father, full of grace and truth.

Janosky:
Diversionary tactics no go save your "Jesus is Jehovah" lies....
The anti Trinity message of Truth is more important any moniker. Go read all JWs post here..
Our stand is uniform.
U go drink panadol for the matter very well

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 12:33pm On Jan 22, 2019

It's not Ok-either you bring the Word of God to us-or shut down your page-because no-one is interested in the Watchtowers literature-its unbiblcal..
This page is not about arguing over a false organisation such as the Watchtower..
This page is about preaching the Word to the unbelievers, not some meddling over rated so called Christians trying to destroy the Word of God!!

TATIME:
it's OK Sir God bless you!

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 6:33am On Jan 22, 2019

It wouldn't sound if it's a argument, if you were to believe and bring the Word of God to us in the first place..

TATIME:
Our conviction wasn't from arguing FACELESSLY but by CAREFULLY reading,studying,meditating and praying to God. And we continue to observe what God's people are teaching us to do including the remarkable achievements of Jehovah's Witnesses that's indisputable.
It's even against our norms "debating or arguing with those who feels they knew what they're doing" talkless FACELESS debates!
So thank you and God bless you Sir!

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 6:28am On Jan 22, 2019

We are not meant to meet in person-this is why we have forums like this-to preach the gospel to the nations..
When you say, you would rather reach out door to door, and yet you spend your time sitting at home or work, writing false doctrines to the nations.
I am hear to correct you, teaching you the bible-showing you 'your false doctrines you chose to write down are untrue!

TATIME:
It's OK because i'm through with FACELESSLY debating without seeing you,so God bless you Sir!

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 6:20am On Jan 22, 2019

That's alright, I write for Christ and I try my best praying you may receive the Word of God-hoping it may help you along the way!

TATIME:
Thank you Sir, God bless you!

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 11:15pm On Jan 21, 2019*

So sad to hear so many people being deceived everyday, the Lord warned us these times will come-He said: many are called but few are chosen, It's simple to read the scriptures, even a child can understand Jesus, people are being deceived everywhere, not only in the Watchtower do they refuse Christ, it's slowly but surely growing that the Word of God is being castrated from the world itself.
Trump had signed a Church and state agreement, this will be a repeat of history-what happened to the Christians who refused to obey the Catholic Church!!
The JW's is a small piece of the puzzle, none of us in their right minds will join the Watchtower anyway-the Lord said: many will come in His name claiming He is Christ, the Pope believes to be Christ on earth, he is setting up a system to change the Sabbath day' to a Sunday-sun-god worship day.
He is also talking about changing the Lord's prayer "And do not lead us into temptation"
Trump had now signed agreement with Pope Francis-joining with them the Word of Faith movement-followed by the unbelieving Jews, Jews denying Christ! This agreement is signed to worship God on a Sunday only-if we refuse-to agree with Sunday sun god worship, our penalty can cost us dearly-up to 10 years Jail-second or third time refusal could cost us our life, is Trump now playing to be god of this world!
{Exodus 31:13-17} 13 “Speak also to the children of Israel, saying: ‘Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you.
14 You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people.
15 Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
16 Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant.
17 It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel forever; for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed.’ ”
This news had been posted everywhere, and what does the Church do, "Nothing", It is a knowing fact the Watchtower is also behind the One world Government system..

TATIME:
Our standard will forever remain our standard,so it's OK..

This is coming" they will change the Sabbath day!! And the JW's standards have changed, and they are ready to stand to worship the beast on sun god day, their evidence is door to door knocking for a One world religious system to rise..
Once the Vatican is given it's power, history states the Crucifixion of the Christians, will return, the re-making of the past will head into the future-a repeat-as Catholic Hitler was, his army was forced to burn all Jewish and Christian bibles, Hitler protected the Catholic Church, and Christ will come as a thief when no one is watching-He will come...

TATIME:
Our standard will forever remain our standard,so it's OK. You can choose any other religious group that's working well by your own likeness.
We're Jehovah's Witnesses,and over 8,000,000 globally are wholeheartedly saying YES! to Jehovah's standard!
Please you are FREE to worship anywhere you're pleased, because none of us will revoke his/her dedication because of Hairyrapunzel!

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 9:58pm On Jan 21, 2019*

Then you must ask yourselves did Jesus die for man kind because it was something He hated to do-or did Jesus die, because God so loved the world He wanted to save His people.

TATIME:
Those who TRULY cares from God's standpoint are those who HATES what HE hates and cling onto what HE LIKES, majority of Jesus' contemporaries CARES but they find it difficult to HATE what God HATES and cling onto what God LOVES! Isaiah 5:20

Did God so much hate the world He sent His only begotten Son-Jesus shed His blood, He was ripped to pieces by the Roman soldiers, He was castrated by His own Jewish countrymen! He died to save you!
And yet you so much loved the world 'you cant even give a speck of blood-to help save another-because your doctrines have twisted the scriptures, to prove your god is your own Jehovah god who so much hated the world, he never sent his begotten son to save and die for all man kind.

TATIME:
So everyone CARES my friend but God only approves those who are mimicking HIM in declaring what HE declared Good as Good and Evil as Evil!

If you do what Jesus do, the Watchtower would close it's doors-but if you do what the Watchtower do, than Christ is not in you-but the Watchtower.

TATIME:
Hmmmmmmmmm you tried my friend but that's not what God values from FAITHFUL people!
Those who TRULY cares from God's standpoint are those who HATES what HE hates and cling onto what HE LIKES, majority of Jesus' contemporaries CARES but they find it difficult to HATE what God HATES and cling onto what God LOVES! Isaiah 5:20
So everyone CARES my friend but God only approves those who are mimicking HIM in declaring what HE declared Good as Good and Evil as Evil!

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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 11:03pm On Jan 20, 2019

Johnw produces the Word of God, and still you deny Him producing fruit--He is not against you, He is here trying to protect you, trying to help you open your eye's to the truth-you don't see-nor do you understand what he see's and understands-because your heart has deceived you from the truth..
{Jeremiah 17:9-10} The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure— who can understand it? I, the LORD, search the heart; I test the mind to reward a man according to his way, by what his deeds deserve.…
{Galatians 6:7} Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, this he will also reap.
So if Johnw is sowing the Word of God, then of course he is reaping good fruit!!!

Janosky:
Johnw lying Pharisee has no scriptural proof in defense of his lies on NL.
His usual solace is name calling & John 8:44 , which exposes him.
Hallelujah > Praise Jehovah , johnw has no place to hide his falsehood.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 9:52pm On Jan 20, 2019*

True believers are the good trees that produce good fruit {Galatians 5:22-23} the true sheep who look to Christ, depend on Him, commit themselves to Him, trust in Him, and believe on Him for righteousness, salvation, and eternal life.
These are the ones who will enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Which doesn't conclude you JW's-as you believe none of you will enter in, only the 144000 you claim will be with the Lord while your flesh rots back to the earth, your spirit spends eternity burning in Hell' until Jehovah decides to build you a new heavenly earth to come.
"This is base upon the Purgatory story, until you pay the price you will remain in Hell::it's a false doctrine, no-one can leave Hell-and there's no price to be paid after you enter into Hell fire-you have made your choice!!
And this is a sad story-it's sad to believe you deny the Word of God-it's sad to believe the Watchtower haven't given you any rights to enter into Heaven to be with the Lord, on His day when He comes to meet us in the clouds, when the Angels gathers up the wheat, you will be thrown into the fire, because of your unbelief!
This is your chance to make a stand and ask the Lord into your hearts, pray that you will be with Him when He comes!
Pray for your love ones, repent and pray for your forgiveness, pray to the Father 'pray you and your families are saved, because the truth will set you free--And if you still refuse me, then read and study your KJ's bibles, and believe it by the Power of God.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 11:44pm On Jan 18, 2019

There is to much evidence to prove Michael was never Jesus-Michael was Israel's Archangel, nor was Michael ever called to be Jesus in the flesh, 'confused one! Which of the Angels did God ever say, you sit Here. None!!
{Hebrews 1:5} So He became as far superior to the angels as the name He has inherited is excellent beyond theirs. For to which of the angels did God ever say: “You are My Son; today I have become Your Father”? Or again: “I will be His Father, and He will be My Son”? And again, when God brings His firstborn into the world, He says: “Let all God’s angels worship Him.”…
Look what happened to Lucifer-wanting to be like God-He was cast out of Heaven-Jesus said: you shall worship One God and Him only you shall serve..
{Hebrews 1:12-14} But to which of the angels did God ever say: “Sit at My right hand until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet”?
Are not the angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?…
{Jude 1:9} Yet Michael the archangel, in contending with the devil, when he disputed about the body of Moses, dared not bring against him a reviling accusation, but said, "The Lord rebuke you!
If Michael was Jesus with a new name-then Michael would have rebuke Lucifer without a problem, like Jesus rebuked Satan in the desert, and again why didn't Michael say to Lucifer I rebuke you-instead he said: the Lord rebuke you-reasons one Angel can not rebuke another Angel "simple. And when we look into it further, the Angel said to John, do not worship me, I am a follow servant with you ''John.
{Revelation 22:8-9, 19:10} And I am John, who heard and saw these things. And when I had heard and seen them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had shown me these things. But he said to me, “Do not do that! I am a fellow servant with you and your brothers the prophets, and with those who keep the words of this book. Worship God!”
{Daniel 12} is out of context-confused one, if you were to search the Scriptures Michael is the Archangel a signed to Israel-Hebrew Bible From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia!!
Michael is mentioned three times in the Hebrew Bible {the Old Testament} all in the Book of Daniel.
The prophet Daniel experiences a vision after having undergone a period of fasting. {Daniel 10:13-21} describes Daniel's vision of an angel who identifies Michael as the protector of Israel.
At {Daniel 12:1} Daniel is informed that Michael will arise during the "time of the end".
The Book of {Revelation 12:7-9} describes a war in heaven in which Michael, being stronger, defeats Satan.
After the conflict, Satan is thrown to earth along with the fallen angels, where he ("that ancient serpent called the devil" wink

still tries to "lead the whole world astray" In the Epistle of {Jude 1:9} Michael is referred to as an "archangel" when he again confronts Satan.

TATIME:
Before coming to the earth Michael is the archangel (leader of all heavenly armies) Daniel 12:1
After been transformed into an embryo in the womb of a Jewish virgin and born as human Jesus is His name!
After completing His earthly assignment and returning to heaven,Jesus was given a new name that above every other name,but He is still under the one who gave Him such name. 1Corinthians 15:27,28
It's just simple, unless you want to complicate issues and turn everything upside down so that neither you nor your audience will be able to explain easily!

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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 5:00pm On Jan 18, 2019

The JW's didn't believe to change Jesus name, because before He arrived on earth-He was Michael the archangel, and after He returned back into Heaven Jesus is 'Michael the archangel huh

PastorAIO:
You make a good point here sir. Why?

Since it is so important to you that the proper name is used then why do you call him Jesus and not his original name?

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 4:37pm On Jan 18, 2019

Obviously you didn't understand my page-it wasn't just about the Y or J-it's about the complete turn around you JW's have done to try to destroy the bible' You call God Jehovah and you call His Son Jesus-why not change His name too?
History of the word Jehovah
It is interesting to understand how the word Jehovah was derived, as the history of the word shows why the word is incorrect. In an unfortunate stroke of the pen the Watchtower Society chose to adopt the rendition of YHWH that has least resemblance to the original name and incorporates the very reason the exact pronunciation is unknown.
Ancient Hebrew did not contain vowels and so the pronunciation of words was handed down. In order to preserve the pronunciation of the Hebrew language, the Masoretes created a system for introducing vowels into the Hebrew language during the ninth century A.D. However, when it came to YHWH, rather than putting the correct vowel signs, they put vowel signs for Adonai (Lord) or Elohim (God), in order to remind the reader to use the word Lord or God instead of the name of God.
Adonai (Lord) was predominantly used, however, in passages where Adonai and YHWH appeared together, Elohim was used instead, to avoid repetition of the word Lord.
As proposed by the 19th-century Hebrew scholar Gesenius, it is generally accepted that mixing the vowels for Lord and God with the consonants YHWH that led to the manufacture of the hybrid word Jehovah. Hence, it was the effort to avoid pronouncing God's name that led to the manufacture of the hybrid word Jehovah.
"The form Jehovah is of late medieval origin; it is a combination of the consonants of the Divine Name and the vowels attached to it by the Masoretes but belonging to an entirely different word. The sound of Y is represented by J and the sound of W by V, as in Latin.
The word "Jehovah" does not accurately represent any form of the Name ever used in Hebrew.
"Yahweh-the personal name of the God of the Israelites . . . The Masoretes, Jewish biblical scholars of the Middle Ages, replaced the vowel signs that had appeared above or beneath the consonants of YHWH with the vowel signs of Adonai or of Elohim.
Thus, the artificial name Jehovah (YeHoWaH) came into being.
Although Christian scholars after the Rendssance and Reformation periods used the term Jehovah for YHWH, in the 19th and 20th centuries biblical scholars again began to use the form Yahweh.
Early Christian writers, Such as Clement of Alexandria in the 2nd century, had used the form Yahweh, thus this pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton was never really lost. Greek transcriptions also indicated that Yhwh Should be pronounced Yahweh."
The first time the Tetragrammaton appeared in an English Bible was on the title page of William Tyndale's Bible translation of 1525, where it was written as Iehouah. This was an interlace of YHVH and Adonai. The King James Version also originally used Iehouah, influenced by the Ben Chayim codex. The King James Bible changed the spelling to Jehovah for the 1762-1769 edition.
Combining YHWH with Adonai is referred to as interlacing, fusing or superimposing. It could hardly be considered accurate or respectful.
The illogical fusion of the sacred Name with the vowel points of another name is shown in the preface to The J.B. Rotherham Emphasized Bible:
"To give the name JHVH the vowels of the word for Lord [Heb. Adonai], is about as hybrid a combination as it would be to spell the name Germany with the vowels in the name Portugal - viz., Gormuna.
The monstrous combination Jehovah is not older than about 1520 A.D."
The Watchtower argues that Jehovah is acceptable as it is a translation. And where this info came from 'there is plenty of it, if you would just let your fingers do the walking and push the right buttons, this information is everywhere to be found..

Jozzy4:
Liar, no wonder u can't defend your lies when faced with Facts.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 1:40pm On Jan 18, 2019

Only to you, I am empty-but when there is Christianity concerned, you are not concerned..but a lair and a snake, and there's no truth found in you!

Jozzy4:
You just showed u are an empty barrel that's making noise. Since you can't respond to that which u gave you. Keep shut

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 1:36pm On Jan 18, 2019

Jozzy4:
" But these has been written down so that you may BELIEVE that Jesus is the Christ, THE SON of God " - John 20:31.

Then how come you are always in a non agreement-when the Word of God in mentioned-when we agree Jesus is the Son of God, and He is One with God.
You are a lair when you say, you know Christ and you refuse to believe His every Word, Jesus is the Son of God-He is One Heart Mind and Spirit and soul with His Father, the Son of God-not the archangel Michael-you claim Him to be-out from wrong interpretations.
The God of the bible is the living God-He came in the flesh and lived among Men. This is the God we worship, the only true God 'He died for all man kind: to Live as He lived..

Jozzy4:
We do not need to question every encounter of God , context helps a lot , the question is why would John quickly follow up that event of Thomas at verse 28 , saying immediately at verse 31 .

" But these has been written down so that you may BELIEVE that Jesus is the Christ, THE SON of God " - John 20:31.

Objective analysis to help a sincere person know his true identity

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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 1:21pm On Jan 18, 2019

Ignorant of you, your argument belongs to you! We never changed the scriptures, nor did we add to them-the Watchtower removed and added the scriptures that shouldn't be done..If you have kept to bible knowledge in the first place-you wouldn't need to chop and change from YHWH to Jehovah. You would believe God and His every Word..But you don't "Hypocrite!!!
"But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men; for you neither go in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in...
“The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. Therefore whatever they tell you to observe, that observe and do, but do not do according to their works; for they say, and do not do.
For they bind heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on men’s shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
But all their works they do to be seen by men.{This is a very good description-whom you stand for!}

Jozzy4:
Y change the Y in " Yirmiyahu " to J in Jeremiah also?

Y change the Y in Yeshua to J in Jesus ?

Are u this ignorant and silly Sir ?

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 3:27am On Jan 16, 2019*

The JW's also removed YHWH from their bible, changing the "Y" to a "J" calling Him Jehovah which should sound Yehovah! besides that the JW's keep on changing their bible every year, by removing and adding scriptures pleasing themselves-and expecting the world to follow-where God told them not too..

PastorAIO:
Who removed YHWH from the bible? It wasn't any christian cult. Rather it was the Jews themselves when they wrote the LXX, the greek translation of the hebrew scriptures. This was done around 3rd century BC.
Jesus himself used the LXX and quoted from it so it cannot be as bad as you are making it out to be. That would mean that Jesus himself substituted Kyrios (lord) for YHWH.

For more detail see here:
https://www.nairaland.com/1224167/contra-bibliolatreia-ii-septuagint

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 2:51am On Jan 16, 2019

Are you sure you are somewhat of some kind of a some sort a JW-after listening to you-no-one would look twice at the JW's..If you are having trouble understanding the truth about the scriptures, it's simple to ask-didn't the Watchtower teach you how to be nice? Or is this something you will learn at a further date!!

Janosky:
The hogwash & trash of brocab lying Pharisee.

I dey vex for who?
Lol .

I'm not angry at anyone whatsoever. Anger no dey my mind.Na your conscience dey judge U.

What has your pointless post got to do with these issues raised in my previous post?
U dodged them & resorted to post nonsense ...
A) Removal of God's (Jehovah) name, YHWH from almost all Bible versions except NWT & a few others.
YHWH substituted with "Lord" @ Deut6:4.

("In regard to the divine name, YHWH, commonly referred to as the Tetragramaton, the translators adopted the device used in most English versions of rendering that name as. " LORD" in capital letters.
'Preface' in "Women of Faith Study Bible", New International Version).

(B) where in John 4:1-34 did Jesus say "the Father and the word are two persons having one spirit"? according to your fellow Pharisee .

The "mystery" that confused u na "holy ghost" demon dey teach u...
Dey there dey deceive yourself

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 2:03pm On Jan 14, 2019

And with all your giving, you still haven't given the bible away-you literature go's straight in the bin, which of course ends up at the rubbish dump! We have read the scriptures, and we don't hold back on giving bibles away, we send bibles all over the world, where we have bible teachers, teaching the Gospel Jesus said: go out and teach..

TATIME:
We're distributing tracts,magazines,brochures, books and even deluxe Bibles all of high quality materials for FREE!

Giving magazines,brochures, books and even deluxe Bibles all of high quality materials for FREE! Is pointless-it isn't a matter of speaking who pays for it, Jesus gave a command-go out and preach His gospel--we must remember your literature has nothing to do with the Word of God! Your literature has no spiritual power, it's dead! It's science fiction...

TATIME:
Hmmmmmmmmm
You just dey fall my hand man!
Well i've been with Jehovah's Witnesses now for at least 5 years after my baptism, and i can tell you that you guessed wrong totally!
We're distributing tracts,magazines,brochures, books and even deluxe Bibles all of high quality materials for FREE! Because we're the ones CONTRIBUTING money ourselves to print this publications.
You're just guessing wrong wrong and wrong brocab! Please investigate matters thoroughly so as to speak on reality, i think that will really catch those you're trying to help for Jesus (as you think)
Remember Jesus said "FISHERS OF MEN" please fishermen are really diligent, industrious and efficient with their work before they can catch REAL fish not just trial and luck business!
1Thessalonians 5:21

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 1:42pm On Jan 14, 2019

You should study that dusty old bible of yours sometime-you great abuser from the south-or even better accept Jesus into your heart and receive the Holy Spirit to teach you all things to know about the Word of God!
It will be a lot easier for you to understand!
Every time I read your page-your anger raises over nothing-if I was to give it a score from a 100% deafeningly your score is a 100%.
All we are doing is defending the Word of God-we defend it from that very same bible you claim to use the KJ's, hypocrite!
We never come to you, you came to us-if you expect us to listen to you, then you need to come up with a better way to get our attention, your anger is abusive, someone claiming to be a Christian, and acts like you, really it's people like you, who put Christians down..
We don't follow the Watchtower why? because it has to many faults within, you use the KJ's 'why? because the NWT bible has faults!
You use the KJ's to a point-why? because the NWT and the KJ's bibles have scriptures your Watchtower literature refuses to teach.
It isn't worth your wild getting yourselves all worked up over nothing, read the scriptures, and if they are hard to understand them, study the scriptures, learn it from the KJ's and believe these are God's Word given to His People to learn by.
It's pointless trying to cut our throats over the Word of God! You say you use the KJ'S version, we also use the KJ's version! And what we see and study we write it down..

Janosky:
Johnw lying Pharisee keeps peddling junk.

John 4:1-34, nowhere did Jesus say "Father and the Word have "one spirit".

The preface in different Bible versions says that the name of God (YHWH- Yahweh ,Jehovah) was removed & substituted with the title "LORD"

Deut 6:4 is NOT correct, in as much as Johnw lying Pharisee would never agree to the removal of his name from any book he wrote..

Yet he see's nothing with removal of Jehovah's name from His word the Bible
crooked Johnw lying Pharisee

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 11:21pm On Jan 11, 2019

You want points- you people don't listen to points!

TATIME:
But instead of focusing on how this guy annoyed you,it would have made more sense if you responded with points to show everyone that what you're saying is true from God's word.
Here are points
*Lord said to Lord "sit at my right hand".Psalms 110:1 He is saying this is a conversation between TWO different persons NOT one as the TRINITY doctrine asserts!
*@ 1Corinthians 15:27,28 the Bible said Someone put everything under Jesus' feet and at the same time clearly saying when everything is put under Jesus, that person is excluded. Moreover it still goes on to say by the end Jesus will later put Himself under that person again! So what every REASONABLE follower of this thread expects of you is to explain how it is still the same person according to your TRINITY doctrine! NOT how sweet your mouth could be when accusing someone in retaliation!
I'm sorry Sir, this is exactly what made me one of Jehovah's Witnesses, as their always on point whereas others are just claiming what they're saying is from some holy ghost even when it's pointless!
In Islam, our Imams and Sheikhs always claim what they're saying is backed by God's spirit even though it's pointless! Jehovah's Witnesses are the ONLY group that has clear and straightforward explanations that doesn't leave the listener in the middle of the road!

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 11:16pm On Jan 11, 2019

The truth always reveals itself!-As long as these people stay with the Watchtower, the Watchtower feeds them, but if these people are not with the Watchtower they die from starvation!

TATIME:
Please the stuff is just too much for me to assimilate, can you be more specific? As in simplifying what you're trying to say?
Please don't allow the anger to overshadow your point this time, just straight to the point pleassssssssssse!

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 11:08pm On Jan 11, 2019

TATIME:
Jehovah's Witnesses are everywhere bubbling with LOVE,JOY,PEACE,LONGSUFFERING, KINDNESS, GOODNESS, MILDNESS, FAITH,SELF CONTROL! Galatians 5:22,23

This is not what it is about-these people are poor, even the Muslims are turning people to follow Allah-the JW's are turning people to follow Jehovah-for food.
I have seen it myself, I was involved in a street ministry feeding the hungry, poor people would sell their souls for food, so don't lie to us, it isn't about Love-starving people would do anything 'say anything just for the food!
{Genesis 25:29-34} Jacob offered to give Esau a bowl of stew in exchange for his birthright (the right to be recognized as firstborn) and Esau agreed.
Like the Muslims, they are looking for numbers, Money builds mega denominations, Churches, it isn't about the People, it's about organisations such as these that wars against the Spirit of God-it's about charity these organisations received from other charity organisations, denominations these day's is tax free
But yet the people are expected not only to accept the food given to them, they are expected to obey all what is needed for the religious denominations they have signed up for.
So don't give us your rubbish-Esau sold His birthright for food-food has more valve then money could buy-denominations these days is all about Money-the food is given through charity from other charity organisations, it's free, these organisations don't lift a finger to feed the poor without a deal made-as long as these people stay with the Watchtower, the Watchtower feeds them, but if these people are not with the Watchtower they die from starvation!

TATIME:
Where is the result of your godliness? James 2:18-26
Jehovah's Witnesses are everywhere bubbling with LOVE,JOY,PEACE,LONGSUFFERING, KINDNESS, GOODNESS, MILDNESS, FAITH,SELF CONTROL! Galatians 5:22,23
Is your God working at all? John 5:17

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 10:29pm On Jan 11, 2019

Janosky:
The Bible confirmed brocab is a lying Pharisee.

It's always the same old Watchtower rubbish, Pharisees were people who refuse Christ and His teachings, you refuse Christ with flying colours, so you are a Pharisee, and what do the Pharisees do best, they don't go into the kingdom of Heaven themselves, but shut the doors to those who do want to enter in!
{Matthew 23:13} "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.
The JW's don't allow anybody to enter into rest to be with the Lord-because you don't go in yourselves!
Even in darkness it is difficult for you to see-you are arguing against yourself-against the bible-against God Himself, the rubbish you come up with-is unbiblical, your understanding of bible knowledge is nothing to be proud off!
The problem with you JW's you can't search the net for the right answers, because the Watchtower have brainwash you so much-you rely on the Watchtower literature to feed your dead souls.

Janosky:
brocab educated illiterate & lying Pharisee.

Firstly, JWs teach & believe that Jesus is "Everlasting Father" whom the Bible call's "Last Adam" (or second Adam in some Bible versions) because he restored to mankind the blessing of everlasting life which Adam lost due to of sin& disobedience.1 cor15:22,45-47 .
Rom5:12-19

Brocab explained Psalm110:1,2 that Yahweh (Jehovah) says to Jesus the Messiah "sit at my right hand" ,He (Jesus) sits at God's (Jehovah's) right hand".
He emphasized that Jehovah & Jesus are distinct, not the same.

Brocab lying Pharisee & 3 "Gods" pagan worshipper goes further to contradict himself & lied "that Jesus is Jehovah"

A sane person will not tell himself to sit at his own right hand...
The Trinity falsehood removed brocab's sense .
.The Bible confirmed brocab is a lying Pharisee.

"Now When it says that 'everything' has been put under him (Christ) ,it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ' 1cor15:27.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 8:24pm On Jan 10, 2019

You only think I don't know about the JW's, your organisation is written all over the world-it isn't good, so until you decide to step out in faith, your blindness will always overcome your sight, your hearing will never be the same, because you were taught to never rely on anything other then the lies and wonders the Watchtower brings before you.
It wasn't what the JW's believe-it was what you had written, Jesus is your everlasting Father-the Watchtower do not teach this information-they teach Jehovah is their everlasting Father!
So because you now see, that Jesus is Jehovah Lord and king over creation, you are denying your faith against the Watchtower!!!

TATIME:
Why speak for a whole association of brothers instead of FIRST approaching them to ascertain if what one of them told you is so?
I told you that you knew NOTHING about Jehovah's Witnesses!
Now you're seeing for yourself what JWs believe!

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