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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 3:40pm On Nov 30, 2018

Why don't you try believing in the Word of God-you may even save some of your wasted time-maybe this question you should answer yourself, do you believe! Next question what do you believe-if not the Word of God?
{2 Timothy 3:16-17} All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work
How does anybody know what to do, if you can't accept the Word of God-that teaches us what we must do, how we must act, and how to live for God? Of course you came to God another way..

CAPTIVATOR:
you know nothing about the issue been discussed so ask questions first or else support a lie, He cant be Lord over his own God. Why is this hard to understand for you ?

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 3:22pm On Nov 30, 2018*

{Colossians 1:15-17} Jesus is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.
Now if I was to match "God up with Jesus" then let us understand, how two are One-Jesus said: I and the Father are One..
Who is the Creator? both "God and Jesus together " God-{Genesis 1;1, Job 33:4, Isaiah 40:28} "Jesus-{John 1:1-3, Colossians 1:12-17, Hebrews 1:8-12}
Who is the First and the Last? both "God and Jesus together " God-{Isaiah 41:4, 44:6, 48:12} " Jesus-{Revelation 1:17, 2:8, 22:13}
Who is I AM? both "God and Jesus together " God-{Exodus 3:13-14, Deuteronomy 32:39, Isaiah 43:10}" Jesus-{John 8:24, 58, 13:19, 18:5}
{John 14:9} Jesus replied, “Philip, I have been with you all this time, and still you do not know Me? Anyone who has seen Me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?
So it doesn't really matter how you fight against the Word of God-it will always stand above you-it doesn't matter what denomination anybody is from, if you don't believe in the Word of God-and if you keep on refusing the truth-then you are not saved-and the Spirit of God in not teaching you..

CAPTIVATOR:
Bruh, be humble . He can't be Lord over his own God . Father is not included. So you lied when you said Jesus is also Lord of heaven and earth.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 2:45pm On Nov 30, 2018

If you knew God you would know zodiakzax is not lying, but sadly you don't God-this is why you find it hard to understand the Word of God!

CAPTIVATOR:
Bruh, be humble . He can't be Lord over his own God . Father is not included. So you lied when you said Jesus is also Lord of heaven and earth.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 12:47am On Nov 29, 2018

But everything is difficult for you, because not even you agree that Jesus is Michael the archangel-like you said: the tares and the wheat will be separated at the end of harvest. And if you are separated from the JW's-then confusion had come upon you..

TATIME:
Well i for my part decided to make a thorough research to discover which one is bold enough to make claims like Jesus did? And i found ONLY Jehovah's Witnesses. So i started asking thought provoking questions that could even make them give up coming to disturb me but all my questions were answered with satisfaction.

I suppose if I didn't really accept the bible, and I was an X Muslim I would be searching for a group that had the same valve of principles I was taught. You claim the JW's is your next best thing to Jesus-but you disagree Michael is Jesus, and you believe you will be separated from the JW's when the harvest is ready for the picking? And then you agree with the JW's that Jesus Christ is not who God claims him to be through the apostles..

TATIME:
"NO ONE comes to the father except through me" John 14:6

You have posted it 'all over the net, you have constantly refused Christ with a passion-for all to see, you are deafeningly in no, mans land, just surviving 'wasting our time with your disbelief's..

TATIME:
That's exactly what Jesus claimed before the various religious groups of His time that inflamed them to the point of getting rid of this young man from Nazareth! They were all teaching as if saying "you can choose any of us as your choice" but Jesus emphatically said "NO ONE comes to the father except through me" John 14:6
He also said "there will be many false prophets misleading many" Matthew 24:11 Therefore a cautious Bible's student will be inquisitive as to which of all these religions claiming Christians truly belongs to Jesus?
Well i for my part decided to make a thorough research to discover which one is bold enough to make claims like Jesus did? And i found ONLY Jehovah's Witnesses. So i started asking thought provoking questions that could even make them give up coming to disturb me but all my questions were answered with satisfaction. I also noticed that they're up and doing in all that Jesus commanded, throughout the earth they are like one big happy family.
If you can't talk with confidence that your group is the one and only worshippers of your God then it will be the most difficult thing to convince me that you're following the footsteps of the young man from Nazareth! John 17:14-19

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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 12:36pm On Nov 28, 2018

This is what happens when one is not connected to the Spirit! Their flesh kicks in, trying to work everything out with their own minds!

Crysthaniel:
Micah 5: 2-4
points that Jehovah is the God of Jesus..
no doubts
The Account of 1Timoty 2:5 says that:
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus

And let's meditate on the Account of Acts 4:24-30 here the apostles prayed to Jehovah .. they even addressed Jesus as a servant of Jehovah..if we are to be real, this account refutes the Trinity doctrine effectively

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 9:31am On Nov 28, 2018

What is it, with you JW's, why are you so angry? Is it because we refuse to acknowledge your doctrine!-it seems we are not the only one's that disagrees with your doctrine! Verbally the JW's do also!

haywizzy007:
I guess there are different versions of the the trinity dogma
This guy's version says Holy Spirit became part of the trinity when Jesus sent him..lol
From your post, you said the "spirit of God is the same as God". You later said that same spirit (GOD) became part of trinity after Jesus sent him.
No offense bro, you are the one appearing foolish here, Read your write-ups aloud next time before you post

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 9:12am On Nov 28, 2018

haywizzy007:
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You have obviously failed to address my points, so let me put it back so you can drink water and read them again. Obviously your head is aching from reading so take a deep breath and read again.. but before that let me answer as I am good at reading your posts and carefully answering everything you throw at me.

In the likeness of men? You said plural,

Well As block headed as you are, if men isn't referring to mankind or human being then I will be as foolish and block headed as you are to also say Adam wasn't alone in the garden, He was with Eve two perfect human beings, so plural works for me..

Oooooo block headed JW will then say because they said men it's a male figure and not female. that's how silly you sound..anyways

NIV Phil 2:7
rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness.

Phil 2:7

Good News Translation
Instead of this, of his own free will he gave up all he had, and took the nature of a servant. He became like a human being and appeared in human likeness

So there we have it, likeness of men is indeed human beings. Be careful how your answer bruv, you might just insult your NWT. Just giving you heads up

Now you asked

Jesus said NOBODY knows , Does this not prove holy spirit is not a person ?

If holyspirit is a person, abeg why didn't it know .? Why would Jesus said NOBODY except the father ?

As busy as I was I took my time to explain thinking perhaps he will understand, or perhaps he will see his flaws but He stupidly ignores my statements and asks a question I have already answered. Seems you want me to say something that isn't there. Well for the sake of my readers let me post my answer here again

You asked a "million in one Question" that did the Spirit Know, I pointed out to you that Yes He did because He knows the thoughts of God....

Let me Ellaborate this very well to your block headed level

For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.
1 Corinthians 2:11 NIV

Point A. Who knows your thoughts?
Answer: No one except Your Spirit
So apact from your Spirit no one knows your thoughts. Your Spirit Knows EVERYTHING ABOUT YOU

Point B. Who knows God's thoughts?
Answer: No one except the Spirit of God

So apact from God's Spirit no one knows His thoughts. GOD'S Spirit Knows EVERYTHING ABOUT HIM including the time.

You asked: If holyspirit is a person, abeg why didn't it know .? Why would Jesus said NOBODY except the father ?

My answer:

To further continue your stupidity after rejecting the Word of God, the verse that says the Spirit Knows the thoughts of God hence knowing the time, you continued by saying Christ said no one knows except the Father.

Now get this The Holy Spirit Hasn't been fully sent to the world yet, He was with the Father and as such one with the Father. The Spirit of God is the same as Him and that was why Paul said who knoweth the thoughts of a man except the Spirit of man within him.. Likewise The Spirit of God that was within God, who wasn't yet made Manifest to the Church was and is one with God...

The Holy Spirit was sent to us and was made Manifest to the Church , He is the allos parakletos (John 14:16) meaning
‘another of the same kind’ as Christ, in contrast to ‘heteros’ meaning ‘another of a different kind’. So Jesus after leaving sent us the Holy Spirit. So the Spirit who wasnt fully made manifest could not have been mentioned.

So the Holy Spirit took over COMPLETELY AS THE THIRD PERSON OF THE TRINITY WHEN JESUS SENT HIM. SO JESUS COULD NOT HAVE INCLUDED HIM BECAUSE HE WAS THE SAME GOD (BEING ONE WITH THE FATHER)HE WAS REFERRING TO AS KNOWING THE TIME

I guess there are different versions of the the trinity dogma
This guy's version says Holy Spirit became part of the trinity when Jesus sent him..lol

From your post, you said the "spirit of God is the same as God". You later said that same spirit (GOD) became part of trinity after Jesus sent him.

No offense bro, you are the one appearing foolish here, Read your write-ups aloud next time before you post

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 9:02am On Nov 28, 2018

If you believe that confuses you, try this:
{1 john 5:20} NWT Jehovah Witness Bible "And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us an understanding, that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.
And verbally they still deny it's true..

zodiakzax:
They are a confused bunch..

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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 8:31am On Nov 28, 2018

Hairyrapunzel:
If having true Christians means there is also false Christians, Jesus is a false god since you say Jesus is a god, and there is only one True God called jehovah.

Therefore since there is only one true God then all other gods are false. Jesus is a false god too.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 8:17am On Nov 28, 2018*

If we were to honestly believe the Watchtower has some sort of insight to do with God-none of us would be having this conversation, instead how I understand things to be, is, the JW's have slid on their bellies, trying to claim they are the chosen Watchtower denomination called by God.

TATIME:
True Christians never gave themselves a name back then. Of course if Jesus gave a name,all the religions of the earth today that knows about that name will adopt it.
Jesus only gave instructions and those strictly following His orders are the true Christians, no matter what they call themselves.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 8:11am On Nov 28, 2018*

This preacher is Paul Washer, if you are super serious to know the truth-then he may explain the Word of God to you, clearly on the video! But if you are not super serious then I suppose you are just here enjoying the arguments: But if you can find God, in between all that, then good luck.
And rightly said: lets read the Word of God in the Watchtower NWT Bible {1 John 5:20} And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us an understanding, that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.
And again lets read another verse that is written in their bible-that they verbally refuse to believe?
NWT Bible {Revelation 22:20} “The one who bears witness of these things says, ‘Yes, I am coming quickly.’”d
“Amen! Come, Lord Jesus.”
So you can see, surprisingly the KJ's and the NWT bible are true in these two scriptures-the JW's have always preach Jehovah is coming back-so really if this is true, then Jehovah is Jesus who is coming back-and if Jesus is Jehovah-then Jesus is God coming back, this they verbally deny, it is written in black and white-it stands out clearly, the truth doesn't change, and of course someone in the Watchtower believes in these verses, they can't be removed, even if they do rewrite their bible again, they argue over something they don't know, because when confusion sets in' they are lost, if they knew how to read their bible, everybody will be on the same page-to know who God really is....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLE55jzhUT8

Gruni1234:
I'm a new comer, new to this place actually but my interest on your discussion became peeked high when,after I typed the words trinity, saw your thread with over 100 replies and responds. Spent some few hours catching up on the latest. Well I'm more of a learner and to ascertain truth for myself I have to be neutral and open minded to understand your remarks. I am on a quest to see if God does exist or not.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 2:26pm On Nov 27, 2018*

Are you or are you not a JW? JW''s believe Michael is Jesus--you can not be a JW and disbelieve their doctrine at the same time, you are either a JW and believe all their doctrines, if not-then you are a false JW to the JW's?

TATIME:
That's what Jesus Himself said(Matthew 13:30 compared to Revelations 22:11) And that's exactly what Christians are supposed to do,

JW's expect everybody to be evenly yoke together-firstly you swear black and blue for the JW's now you have denied them in word-you can't preach your own beliefs and preach their beliefs together, both doctrines will fall..
This has got nothing to do with your beliefs but I might as well show you how the bible explains your denial against the JW's..
{ 2 John 1:9} Do you not know that if anyone who runs ahead without remaining in the teaching of Christ does not have God. Whoever remains in His teaching has both the Father and the Son.
You have neither the Father nor the Son-you don't accept JW' teachings of Michael is Jesus-with your own beliefs, and yet you have used the wheat and the tares doctrine as your way out to save you from what? I can see you in the street standing with another JW arguing over Michael and Jesus-because you both can't decide what is Watchtower truth?

TATIME:
It's simple! Some religious groups are saying Jesus is Michael the archangel but some disagreed with that. So let each continue preaching and teaching what they know or " what they thought they know" and time will tell who's FAITH is able to withstand the test of time! That's what Jesus Himself said(Matthew 13:30 compared to Revelations 22:11) And that's exactly what Christians are supposed to do,it's either you preach peacefully in your neighborhood and help your fellowman to realise his errors or you walk away gently when he arrogantly brags upon nothing!
Jehovah's Witnesses highly regards Jesus' comments that's why we don't worry over those who thought they knew much more than us,so we move quickly to the ones who feel like knowing the message we're trying to pass across. Jesus won't disturb other religious groups from practicing what they feel it's right, that's why He sent us to "individuals" in their homes. Matthew 10:11-15

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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 1:56pm On Nov 27, 2018

Already God has you where He wants you-God knows our hearts, He is the One that calls us to Jesus-already He had open a door for you' and of course you have responded to it, you had been led here my friend-you already have decided-but you haven't yet made your decision!
Stick around, and ask as many questions you need to know-we serve God, we are here to help you.
This may sound a little crazy-do you ever talk to yourself, "If yes. then talk to God-but if you are seeking to know all truth-then go to your secret place-ask God If He exist?

Gruni1234:
I'm a new comer, new to this place actually but my interest on your discussion became peeked high when,after I typed the words trinity, saw your thread with over 100 replies and responds. Spent some few hours catching up on the latest. Well I'm more of a learner and to ascertain truth for myself I have to be neutral and open minded to understand your remarks. I am on a quest to see if God does exist or not.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 2:23pm On Nov 25, 2018

Who are you? Are you a listener-learning, then stay around and enjoy the scenes, if so join with us and learn better...

Gruni1234:
Once again good job explaining your points,.

Took my time to read the Isaiah 48:16 and it's clear it was God who speaks not Isaiah, to say is Isaiah is completely false and out of interpretation.

Barrister using your mind doesn't mean that's what the scripture says and as zodiakzax rightly put it human mind cannot comprehend/understand God. Rather look at the scripture in reference and deduce your understanding from it to understand God.

Barrister i suggest you defend the matter at hand by pointing out reasons in terms of scripture why you say it's impossible that God should call another Lord.

I believe you quoted a bible verse to support your claim zodiakzax, can we have that verse, now if that verse says what it says then barristers point is invalid to say God doenst call another Lord when by scripture it is evident that all and not some is to bow to Jesus and call him Lord. All presupposes that even God himself shall bow and confess that Jesus is Lord in order to glorify Himself and if by scripture God cannot do that then Jesus is God.

Thank you

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 2:03pm On Nov 25, 2018

OneJ "I know how it must be frustrating for you not knowing the scriptures, we are not hear against you, we are hear to help you find Christ! Your anger is above measure-it comes from within your nonspiritual mortal body, if you knew the Spirit of God-you would understand the scriptures the way they are written.
{1 Corinthians 6:9-10} Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God?
Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers. {OneJ you are a reviler 'one who speaks abusively against us}
{1 Corinthians 6:15-20} Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ? Shall I then take the members of Christ and make them members of a harlot? Certainly not!
Or do you not know that he who is joined to a harlot is one body with her? For “the two,” He says, “shall become one flesh.”
But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him. {Do you know OneJ Jesus said: I and the Father are One, would this mean He is One Spirit with God-if one Spirit, then they are One}
Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own?
For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are God’s.
When a Man and a woman joins together as husband and wife, they are no longer two but One-therefore we were brought at a price, and we are joined to the Lord in One Spirit with Him!

OneJ:
Your fellow peddler of Trinity on this thread lied that he's "not defending the Trinity" your mumu doctrine & U are here shamelessly backing him. ..
I'm not in the least amazed.
Siamese twins of falsehood,na una way

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 1:44am On Nov 25, 2018

Yes the JW's tells us the truth alright, which way is the quickest way into Hell..
Matter of fact I don't believe your Church would even preach Hell..
But if you refuse to repent-you are going there!

OneJ:
I"m not defending the Trinity"
Falsehood dey inside your blood.
What have U been doing on this thread?
"You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire.... for there is no truth in him. Yet , because (JWs) tell you the truth, you do not believe"
John 8:44,45.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 1:22am On Nov 25, 2018*

OneJ:
@ Gruni1234, it's very obvious that U are even more confused than johnw47 and zodiakzax.
Gruni, brocab and all liars, God's word exposes the quicksand that u stand on. Let the Bible speak for itself.

Can't you see it? We preach at your door-we bring with us the Word of God-but you still don't receive it.
Jesus said I have come in My Father’s name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, him you will receive.
If we come to you in wolves clothing preaching Watchtower literature, you would receive our names with open arms!
You come to my door with your smooth talking, claiming Christ-instead you bring to me Watchtower literature, a comic book of Doctor Do Little talking to the animals expecting me to believe in fiction that has no power.
Gruni1234' johnw47 and zodiakzax and I come to you and bring with us the Word of God-which is the truth-and in return 'you cause division and offenses against me, against Gruni1234' against johnw47 and zodiakzax..
{Romans 16:17-18} Now I urge you, brethren, note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them. For those who are such do not serve our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly, and by smooth words and flattering speech deceive the hearts of the simple. {The weak and the brokenhearted}

OneJ:
Thomas never called Jesus Almighty God. Moses was a God (Exodus 7:1 KJV), but he was never the Almighty God. There exist only one true God, the Almighty, Yahweh/ Jehovah. Exodus 6:3, Psalms 83:18. John 17:3

You are right there is only One True God-your NWT Bible also say's Emmanuel meaning With Us is God."
So either way,Thomas didn't have to Call Jesus Almighty God-My Lord and My God-gives me enough evidence to believe!
As we all read through the scriptures, there is so much evidence to prove Jesus had all the qualification's to show us, He is the Father.
Old Testament / God - One Father {Malachi 2:10, Isaiah 63:16, I Chronicles 29:10, Isaiah 64:8}
New Testament / Jesus - One Father {John 10:30, John 14:9, Isaiah 9:6, Revelations 4:11, I Timothy 1:17}
And the Father said: to His Son “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
[color=#000000]I believe it, because it is the Word of God, I believe the scriptures, where you don't believe-I also believe Jesus was never an Angel, you believe He is, it wouldn't matter what the Word of God had said, you still wouldn't believe it; even after He said: Which of the Angels have He ever said: “Sit at My right hand, Till I make Your enemies Your footstool” [/color]
The problem with you and I, is, I believe in the Word of God, you in the other hand believe only what you chose to believe, which isn't anything to brag about!
Old Testament / One God - Jehovah {Exodus 3:14, Exodus 15:26, Deuteronomy 32:39, Isaiah 12:2, Isaiah 44:6, Isaiah 45:11, Isaiah 41:4, Isaiah 48:11, Isaiah 43:10-11, Isaiah 44:8]
New Testament / One God - Jesus, {John 8:58, Ephesians 4:5-6, Matthew 4:23, Philippians 4:13, Revelations 1:8, Mark 1:24, Acts 9:5, Revelations 1:17, Philippians 2:5 - 6, Luke 9:26, Acts 4:12, Luke 2:27-30, I Corinthians 8:6, Mark 12:29, Galatians 3:20}
So by the scriptures, Jesus is everything you deny Him to be!

OneJ:
@ Gruni1234, it's very obvious that U are even more confused than johnw47 and zodiakzax.

(In the first place, that Bible version (NIV) that zodiakzax quoted Phil 2:6;
"Who being in the very nature God did not consider equality with God as something to be used to his advantage" is BLATANT FORGERY of God's word.
"Who being in the very nature God"
That's a DISTORTION of the holy Scriptures.
Every other Bible version reads
"WHO BEING IN THE FORM OF GOD",
This is the correct rendition.
(Greek morfeo> "form", image, shape). What is the form of God?
Answer: God has a spiritual form, spirit body)
Jesus "did not consider equality with God, (Yahweh.) something to be grasped" or "used to his advantage" na BIG LIE .
Christ himself has no reason or basis to assume or think he is equal to God.
PROOF
"Jesus said, the Father is GREATER THAN I" John 14:28 .
U heard from the horse's mouth.
Christ. is not equal with God, them no be mate.

Gruni, can Jesus be that same God (Yahweh) whom Jesus has said is "greater than I (him"?

It's even more foolish quoting Phil 2:10 , " God (Yahweh) exalted him (Christ ) to a superior position"
and "made him (Jesus) lord and Christ" Acts2:36.
Stop twisting the truth, Yahweh never called Jesus "my lord", Christ is NOT the lord of Yahweh.
Yahweh gave Christ permission to occupy a superior position.
"I have come to you in the name of my Father. John5:43.
Gruni, brocab and all liars, God's word exposes the quicksand that u stand on.
Let the Bible speak for itself.

" For He (Yahweh) has put "verything under his (Jesus) feet".
Now when it says that. "everything" has been put under him (Jesus), IT IS CLEAR THAT THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE GOD (YAHWEH) HIMSELF
,who put everything under Christ"
1 cor 15:27.

King Pharaoh gave Joseph a superior position, yet Joseph was never equal to the king. Gen 40:39,40.
Can U be equal to your boss?

Thomas never called Jesus Almighty God. Moses was a God (Exodus 7:1 KJV), but he was never the Almighty God.
There exist only one true God, the Almighty, Yahweh/ Jehovah. Exodus 6:3, Psalms 83:18. John 17:3

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 1:37am On Nov 24, 2018

{Acts 17:11} Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.
If you were to do this, the truth will set you free-simple!

Barristter07:
God exist in SPIRIT Form, are angels in that same form/nature ?

cc: Zodiakzax

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 1:32am On Nov 24, 2018*

JW if you are not sure about anything, test the Word of God, ask and it will be given, knock and it will be open, search the Word of God!
{Hebrews 1:14} Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?
And yet you believe Jesus was Michael sent to earth to become flesh that lived among men, to save the world?
This is not scriptural!
This is scriptural {Hebrews 1:5,13} For to which of the angels did God ever say: “You are My Son; today I have become Your Father”? Or again: “I will be His Father, and He will be My Son”? And again, when God brings His firstborn into the world, He says: “Let all God’s angels worship Him! {Angels can't even rebuke each other, let alone bow down before one}
{Archangel Lucifer wanted God to bow down before him-Lucifer was caste out of heaven, you in the other hand disobey the Word of God, you worshiped after Michael-now what did the angel say to John when He bowed down before the Angel?} {Revelation 22:8-9} And I am John, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had shown me these things. But he said to me, “Do not do that! I am a fellow servant with you and your brothers the prophets, and with those who keep the words of this book. Worship God!”…
This is one of the many reasons why Jesus made a point of telling us He is no Angel! But God Himself in the flesh!
{Hebrews 1:13} But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
JW this is why it is important to test the Word, Jesus had made His point through Hebrews 'this chapter gives us enough evidence to prove He is no Angel-Angels are not made to be worshiped-they are our fellow servants!
JW it's the scriptures that God speaks through to us, sadly there are to many religious people still trying to figure everything out through their own fleshly minds, instead of relying on the Spirit of God to teach them.
{Romans 8:5-11} For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, {This actually describes you, you set your mind on the things of the flesh, flesh is blind to the Spirit} "but those who live according to the Spirit, set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
JW If you are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, and if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you, then you would believe..
{Your disbelief can't comprehend the scriptures 'Jesus said: I and the Father are One-Jesus was born as Emmanuel meaning With us is God, so what is this telling me, you are deafeningly not a born again Spirit filled Christian-You don't know God-nor does He know you!}
And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, {Which is God's Spirit} He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.
Meaning to say, -Repent JW and turn from your evil ways-and believe the Spirit of God lives in the hearts of the believers-even so-test everything! If you don't like our answers then test them, find the scriptures where we are retrieving our answers, if what you read is written in the Word of God, believe it, don't fight against it, So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God!

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 12:18am On Nov 24, 2018

It's simple just read the scriptures "God is Spirit..

Barristter07:
Humans and dogs are different in FORM

That's why that analogy is wrong as I pointed out.

A human Father and Son Have the same substance /Form

So when we understand the substance and Form. In which God exist. Clearly this gets Self explanatory

Nature is synonymous to Substance .

Have you forgotten you yourself quoted it?

Hahahaha

See how the above @ highlighted , explains nature as FORM /SUBSTANCE . your. Lies keep getting exposed.

Beautiful!!! , Now tell us . what is the form in which God exist ? ( question tagged A3#)

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 11:12pm On Nov 23, 2018*

It is relevant to me, as I said: you have heard it all before-hearing from me 'won't make a difference to you, your hardness of heart won't allow you to hear "truth.
Your intentions are to try to catch me out, so you could say in your heart' without giving any evidence 'brocab lies-it is a known fact that the Watchtower is accustomed to deny all truth what it practices through works only!
So I say 'You are one the same as the Watchtower-you keep on knocking and you can't come in! "Jesus said: “Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces.
I say to you, 'I am not prepared to open my door for you-your works are not knocking to raise me up for Christ-you are knocking through works to save yourselves.
{Luke 18:12} The Pharisee prayed ‘God, I thank You that I am not like the other men—swindlers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week and pay tithes of all that I receive.

Barristter07:
Not relevant to what i asked.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 11:40pm On Nov 22, 2018*

TATIME:
ARGUMENTS as usual! Abeg point to the religious group that's practicing what you're quoting, because Jesus warned that during the last days there will be false teachers deceiving many. OK you have told us that Jehovah's Witnesses are one of them,so

As you said: JW's are false witnesses..

TATIME:
If not then which group is preaching and teaching the truth in line with the doctrines of the first century Christians?

Are you confused which group? One must be born again before he can enter into the Kingdom of God {John 3:3}
{Philippians 2:21} For everyone looks out for their own interests, not those of Jesus Christ!
Looking out for your own understanding are shepherds that cannot understand: His light, is in, all truth!
You must be born again-you must be filled with the Holy Spirit! There is no other way to be with God, Jesus said: you can't go to the Father without Him!
A denomination can not save you-nor can you save yourselves-Jesus is savour in all the world, there is none like Him..
{Jeremiah 10:6, Psalm 86:7-9} No one is like you, LORD; you are great, and your name is mighty in power. In the day of my distress I will call on You, for You will answer me. O Lord, there is none like You among the gods, nor any works like Yours.
All the nations You have made will come and bow before You, O Lord, and they will glorify Your name.…In Jesus name..
If you truly believed in Christ you wouldn't be looking for a denomination-that believes what you believe, it is pointless to leave one denomination to another, when both agree on the same topic; "JW's and Muslim don't believe Jesus is God..
If you were really seeking for just the slightest truth-you would be seeking after Jesus, every religion recognises Jesus exist, but not every religion knows Him-visa versa, does Jesus know them, "I wouldn't like to think at the last hour-Jesus said: get away from Me I never knew you.
And if I was to search the scriptures I would be searching why the disciples were given the Holy Spirit, I would be asking why God doesn't live in man made temples "denominations!
The true Christians are those that truly believe, they accept the Holy Spirit with gladness-they know through the Spirit God don't live in denominations temples made with hands- but He is a God living in human temples, made by God!
Christians would sacrifice themselves for Him-Christians are led by the Spirit of God to believe His every Word 'our faith comes by hearing and by His Word..
{Romans 10:17} So then faith come by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God.
So why not try something different and leave your domain with the JW's and come with me, and ask Christ into your life-walk with all truth, because it is, His truth, that will set you free!

TATIME:
ARGUMENTS as usual!
Abeg point to the religious group that's practicing what you're quoting, because Jesus warned that during the last days there will be false teachers deceiving many. OK you have told us that Jehovah's Witnesses are one of them,so which one is the ORIGINAL group of Christ today? Abi it's only Jehovah's Witnesses that's false? If not then which group is preaching and teaching the truth in line with the doctrines of the first century Christians?
I've given all of you a PRACTICAL solution to all these arguments. If there are FAKE currencies in circulation and the central bank wants to help the masses, the ONLY thing to do is get the people acquainted with the ORIGINAL. That's all
So which religious group is practicing what Jesus commanded today?

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 11:01pm On Nov 22, 2018*

Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that Jesus is not God, and the Muslims, as we know declare categorically that Jesus is not God.
Therefore just reading this one little statement may lead a Muslim to say, “Oh this is just the same as us”.
So becoming a JW wouldn't be a surprise to anybody, you did say you were "X" Muslim!
All you need to figure out, is there life for you at the end of the tunnel?

TATIME:
Na wa ooooooooo. I said i've found the truth and it's ONLY Jehovah's Witnesses that's practicing it,so if you've gotten a better option just signify by mentioning their group name. Period!

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 9:43pm On Nov 22, 2018

You stand at my door, and you ask me, how I came up with such conclusion! I am sure you have heard it all before!

Barristter07:
What exactly did you listened or hear that made you arrive at such conclusion ?

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 10:17pm On Nov 21, 2018

This is not an argument this is the Word of God you have moved yourself away from..Jesus said: the truth will set us free TATIME..
THE SAME SPIRIT THAT TAUGHT THE SCRIPTURES BACK THEN, IS THE SAME SPIRIT TEACHING TODAY! cool

TATIME:
ARGUMENTS as usual!
Abeg point to the religious group that's practicing what you're quoting, because Jesus warned that during the last days there will be false teachers deceiving many. OK you have told us that Jehovah's Witnesses are one of them,so which one is the ORIGINAL group of Christ today? Abi it's only Jehovah's Witnesses that's false? If not then which group is preaching and teaching the truth in line with the doctrines of the first century Christians?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 9:50pm On Nov 21, 2018*

Obviously we know it is not I, you don't approve, it's the Word of God the Jehovah Witnesses don't approve! Can you honestly call yourselves Disciples when you know none so what you believe, is the Word of God!

TATIME:
Thanks my friend, but as you can see Jehovah's Witnesses don't need your nor "GOD'S" approval. We know our God "JEHOVAH THAT CALLS HIS SPIRIT AN ACTIVE FORCE" and HE knows us(John 17:3) so our righteousness is from HIM "AND THE WATCHTOWER GOD" not from any institution that's APPROVED by humans. Isaiah 54:17
That's why we are always happy doing what HE asked US to do whether "GOD" approves it or not! Matthew 5:11,12

You come using the KJ's but you close the bible just as quick as you pick it up, you turn to your Magazines, refusing to use your own bibles' because it does not line up with Watchtower literature.
And your door to door acknowledgement comes from Doctor Do little talking with the animals, on his own island away from the rest of the world!
I can honestly say you don't believe in {Matthew 1:23} and yet this same verse is written both in the NWT and the KJ's bibles, and still you refuse it? Does God reject His own Words?
{Matthew 1:23} And you shall call His Name Emmanuel meaning "With Us is God}
I can honestly say, every Word that has called Jesus His God' is caste out from among you, Thomas said: truly you are My Lord and My God! John said: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
But woe unto you JW's hypocrites! for you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for you neither go in yourselves, nor will you allow those that are entering to go in. {The 144000 ring a bell-where do you go, after you have died}
And the Word of God said: {John 6:63-64} The Spirit gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life. However, there are some of you who do not believe.” {For Jesus had known from the beginning which of them did not believe and who would betray Him}…
Who called you into the Watchtower kingdom TATIME? Was it Man, or was it God! If you say: it was God, then why have you rejected His Word? We betray Him by not obeying or even believing His Word, the Watchtower refuses to acknowledge His teaching's, every inspired Word is brought to life through God, every Word the Lord Speaks, the Spirit of God speaks through me {2 Samual 23:2}
Even now prove me wrong! You believe Jehovah spirit is an active force, can a active force call for Barnabas and Paul, can the active force love and teach those that Love God?
{Acts 13:1-4} Paul and Barnabas Are Sent to the Gentiles by the living Spirit of God! Do you believe it?

TATIME:
Thanks my friend, but as you can see Jehovah's Witnesses don't need your approval. We know our God and HE knows us(John 17:3) so our righteousness is from HIM not from any institution that's APPROVED by humans. Isaiah 54:17
That's why we are always happy doing what HE asked US to do whether man approves it or not! Matthew 5:11,12

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 8:23pm On Nov 21, 2018

By listening!

Barristter07:
So when you speak with witnesses , how do you arrive at the conclusion that they don't teach Jesus ?

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 1:16pm On Nov 21, 2018

So when Jesus comes back, I suppose {Revelation 19:11} Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True.
This doesn't mean anything to you, so Jesus won't be sitting on His Horse, because He will fly down to earth with His angel wings, and of course Michael won't be standing with Him, that's right? Michael is Jesus?
Can you at least explain how does this scripture connect Michael to Jesus? {1 Corinthians 15:24-28}
You really haven't got an answer, have you, you are guessing because someone had taught you Michael is Jesus?
Have you not read {Jude 1:9} Michael the archangel, when he disputed with the devil about the body of Moses, dared not bring against him a reviling accusation, but said, “The Lord rebuke you!”
So if Michael were Jesus, then he would be 'the Lord to rebuke the Devil "Wouldn't he? "All is there another Lord, that we don't know about, he deafeningly must be part of the secret society?

Crysthaniel:
Yes no doubts about the Day of Jehovah..
Jehovah will use Jesus Christ his chief Angel to Execute his Judgement Read what 1corinthians 15:24-28 says:
Next, the end, when he hands over the Kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power. 25 For he must rule as king until God has put all enemies under his feet. 26 And the last enemy, death, is to be brought to nothing. 27 For God “subjected all things under his feet.” But when he says that ‘all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that this does not include the One who subjected all things to him 28 But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 12:59pm On Nov 21, 2018

Are you still here?

OneJ:
@ brocab,
Why are U so daft & make false allegations
In the words of TATIME,
"Yes! Jehovah's witnesses are the modern day Pharisees ACCORDING TO YOU & YOUR FOLKS...."
Besides, he put quotation marks (" for there yet your brain only see the lie wey U want yarn for here.
Your mumu brain no let U read him post well and understand simple English.
Haba !!

U are the one making the false allegations & that's. typical proof that U & your crew are indeed Pharisees..

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 12:51pm On Nov 21, 2018

Because I have had JW's in my home-and I speak to you! You can't accept the Spirit of God, so how can you say you preach Jesus?

Barristter07:
why do you make the unfounded claim that Jehovah's witnesses don't teach about Jesus ?

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 12:23pm On Nov 21, 2018*

TATIME:
Please whatever label you give us makes us more joyful as we're aware that truthfully we are different from all other religious groups. John 17:14

Rightly you have said: you are different, you have labeled and separated yourselves from the those who are seeking Christ, 'You have separated your denomination from the Word of God, the Watchtower teaches another doctrine that does not line up with truth! "Your evidence against your disbelief's, against Christ, stands before us all..
{John 1:1} In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
{Matthew 1:23} “Behold, the virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call Him Immanuel” {which means, “God with us" NWT Bible said: "With Us is God}
Do you believe the above scriptures? Is this not the Word of God Jesus told us to preach, is this the written truth the Holy Spirit had told His Disciples to believe and obey? Is this the written truth, you yourself find favourable when you use this same bible, as pure evidence to prove to us the Word of God is true and correct?
If you believe the above scriptures, than truly you are a Disciple! cool

TATIME:
The young man from Nazareth taught His followers never to agitate because of whatever LABEL critics give them, even if they're labeled as "sons of demons". Matthew 10:25
So if some people have labeled Jehovah's Witnesses as Pharisees today, it's OK. For your information, Russian government have labeled us as "Terrorists" therefore our joy multiplies everyday as we're been counted unworthily because of our faith. Act 5:40,41
It's just that we're still enjoying the freedom of expression and worship in Nigeria unlike Russia where your folks "the true Christians" are treating Jehovah's Witnesses "the Pharisees" as infidels in their own motherland. Act 4:1-3
Please whatever label you give us makes us more joyful as we're aware that truthfully we are different from all other religious groups. John 17:14
God bless you Sir.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 11:57am On Nov 21, 2018*

Tatime you stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears! You always resist the Holy Spirit; as your fathers did, so do you. Which of the prophets did your fathers not persecute?

TATIME:
Please whatever label you give us makes us more joyful as we're aware that truthfully we are different from all other religious groups. John 17:14

RYes you rightly said: you are different, like the many religions that claim to be Disciples who refuses all the Word of God!

TATIME:
The young man from Nazareth taught His followers never to agitate because of whatever LABEL critics give them, even if they're labeled as "sons of demons". Matthew 10:25
So if some people have labeled Jehovah's Witnesses as Pharisees today, it's OK. For your information, Russian government have labeled us as "Terrorists" therefore our joy multiplies everyday as we're been counted unworthily because of our faith. Act 5:40,41
It's just that we're still enjoying the freedom of expression and worship in Nigeria unlike Russia where your folks "the true Christians" are treating Jehovah's Witnesses "the Pharisees" as infidels in their own motherland. Act 4:1-3
Please whatever label you give us makes us more joyful as we're aware that truthfully we are different from all other religious groups. John 17:14
God bless you Sir.

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