TATIME: But on social media you're facelessly arguing furiously when you can't even see those you're chatting with. Jesus' instruction to humbly go and plead with unbelievers in their homes, you sit down comfortably and start typing whatever comes to your mind FACELESSLY on social media. And your audience can't even see how to practice what you're saying by your examples since both of you remains strangers to one another.
Isn't this what you are doing also-you sit behind your computer-so nobody is looking at you preaching some what is importance to you, so feel lucky you have a ordinance reading what foolishness you are trying to put out-"do you honestly believe Jesus preached His gospel holding in His hand Watchtower literature while He was door knocking?
TATIME: Hmmmmmmmmmm your doors closed AGAINST those who have come to discuss with you from the Bible.
My doors is always opened for those that preach the gospel-unfortunately my spirit have giving me enough wisdom and knowledge to close my doors against the JW's that don't come and preach the gospel..
TATIME: So when preaching and teaching program about 500 years later, God's son thereby set the pace for humble,mild tempered and obedient ones to join the race for everlasting life.
It's a lie to preach unscriptural knowledge about Jesus-He didn't say we are to harass people all day long expecting them to believe in something that isn't scriptural, "your humbleness mild tempered as you would like us to believe, is really deceitful..
TATIME: Hmmmmmmmmmm your doors closed AGAINST those who have come to discuss with you from the Bible. Romans 10:13-15 No wonder Paul said some Israelites back then truthfully have a zeal but not according to accurate knowledge of God. Romans 10:1-3 But on social media you're facelessly arguing furiously when you can't even see those you're chatting with. Well, thank God Malachi said it's by someone discussing with his neighbors that our names can enter into the book of life. Malachi 3:16 compared to Revelations 20:15 So when Jesus commissioned the house to house preaching and teaching program about 500 years later, God's son thereby set the pace for humble,mild tempered and obedient ones to join the race for everlasting life. Matthew 10:2-15 compared with Malachi 3:18 Instead of following Jesus' instruction to humbly go and plead with unbelievers in their homes, you sit down comfortably and start typing whatever comes to your mind FACELESSLY on social media. And your audience can't even see how to practice what you're saying by your examples since both of you remains strangers to one another. Then the next thing is politicians will start quarreling amongst themselves only to give you guns to go and kill the same person with whom you've been chatting on social media since you don't even know one another. Hmmmmmmmmmm i wonder how you'll know all these your so called "Christian friends" when you're fighting against Nigeria as a soldier for another country! Well as for me and other Jehovah's Witnesses across the globe, we'll never carry a weapon against anyone because we know people face to face and we're sure "they don't know what they're doing". Luke 23:34 God bless you Sir!
Yeh bro I know--but keep up the good work, already things are breaking along the way. These JW's are Children out of school-if their elders knew they were here, they would be castrated from the Watchtower-these JW's are here for God's purpose 'matter of fact they are learning more of you-then the Watchtower literature is teaching them.. With all their rejections and denials they are actually studying and learning the Word of God.
zodiakzax: They said the Father is Jesus' Lord, i aked them where did Jesus called The Father my Lord? Till now they are jumping from one assumption to the other and not a single verse to.prove the case.. ... Jesus is the one Lord,
Why did Jesus question the people about them believing He's David's Son when He is David's Lord, but later said he was David's offspring.. this fake JW Christians couldn't even answer... ... If He didn't deny being David's son and yet David called Him Lord, then why do you fuse around when the Father aknowledges Christ as Lord? .....
Jesus Christ is no Angel, in this note the JW's, OneJ, barrister07 agreed Jesus is not an angel, directly insulting their own organization.. at least we agreed here
They poo everywhere, saying any Jew who didn't believe in Jesus was a Pharisee .. .. I know right, stupid dumb headed goats...
They said he wasnt raised in a physical body, yet Jesus had wounds on his body, nasty ones, so if he wasn't raised bodily why the wounds? ..sometimes they sound so stupid that my dog looks alot wiser..
Isaiah 48:16, has disgraced them to show them Yahweh calling another Yahweh. They jump up and down yet cannot prove anything, some said it was Jesus being sent, some said it was Isaiah etc, confused stupid pagans
They said Christianity is monotheism yet they say there arw many gods apart from Yahweh in Christianity ..I know right... well can't blame them they've not gone to school.. ..
When confronted about Russell their founder they deny him because Russell himself is against this apostate religion..
They quoted a verse to show mountains are born, to imply that create is equal to born... I asked them show me where I scripture that says mountains were created? Till now they can't .. thyve been jumping from one stone to the other without a single verse showing that God created the mountains...
They lie here and there changing their mouths but everything is on records.. which group were Christians called in the bible, pagan Tatime admitted Jesus never said we should be called groups, yet he continues to ask a stupid question about groups in the bible... that's how stupid they are....
I would like to go to Nigeria with you, and when the time comes 'don't worry you are first to front the firing squad-I would tell the Muslims you are gay! Plus I don't live in Nigeria-I am from the other side of the world-and the JW's have already invaded my country-so not only do I talk to you, on media-I have my door closed just in case the JW's are seeking whom they may devour against the elderly and against the widows...
TATIME: Well if you truly believe you can judge every utterance that's against God's word, then try to do that in the northern side of Nigeria without self-control as you're asserting right now! Those people over there are saying you must worship only in the Mosques and the only names to be revered are Allah and Muhammad. Please when you get there don't preach peacefully and respectfully as Jehovah's Witnesses do, just speak to them the same way you're doing on social media now and see how far you can go with your style of preaching. Thanks and God bless you!
Don't we just love the net, when it can give us so much information about anybody these day-Charles Taze Russell was surely one of Jehovah's Witnesses who was the founder! Charles Russell was also a 33 rd degree Mason, he was formally a Seven day Adventist-also Joseph Smith the founder of the Mormons was a 33 rd Mason both were Seven day Adventist. After Charles Taze Russell passed Rutherford seen Russell's vision 'and continual collecting monies from the Jehovah witnesses in the times of the dark ages in the rescission, while the people were staving=Rutherford was only focused upon his expected resurrected leaders who would come back from the dead and would want to live with Rutherford in America. Rutherford taught in the Resurrected, Abraham and Moses would reside there upon their return to the earth. Rutherford wrote in a 1920 book called “Millions Now Living Will Never Die” he’d predicted that biblical leaders like Abraham, Isaac and Jacob would be resurrected in 1925 and become “the visible, legal representatives of the new order of things on earth.”
TATIME: Brother Charles Taze Russell was surely one of Jehovah's Witnesses my friend but NOT the founder! This is one of the many issues that made me to keep asking thought provoking questions for over two decades before i finally became one of Jehovah's Witnesses. Unlike all other groups that's available, Jehovah's Witnesses don't stick to the laid down teachings, doctrines and arrangements of human frontiers. What i mean is this, today why are there so many different religious groups having contradicting doctrines and conflicting teachings all claiming Christians? Well it's because after the death of the 12 Apostles chosen by Jesus Christ, each individual or group of individuals started gathering members and setting their own forms of worship based on their respective interpretations and understanding of the Bible,starting with the Romans under Constantine (Roman Catholic Church), till the days of English churches (Anglo Catholic meaning "English" Catholic Church). All these religious groups had there own FORM but "never will they allow for further enlightenment" so the religion remains the same way their frontiers laid it down, instead of allowing for a reformation members leaves to start yet another religious group in Jesus name. Jehovah's Witnesses aren't like that, there is room for further enlightenment, that's why what a JW during the days of Russell was acquainted with totally differs from what is obtainable today, for example Charles Russell used to celebrate Christmas till death but today further enlightenment has stopped that pagan festivity.Proverbs 4:18 So if Russell was the founder (as assumed) nothing would have changed most of his laid down doctrines! After thorough research,investigation and meditation i came to agree that certainly this group has the backing of a supernatural force *JEHOVAH*. All other religious groups today aren't able to standout as the one and only group representing Jesus because of all their accommodated pagan philosophies. YOU guys yourselves are living testimonies to these facts as none of you has that confidence to present any of your numerous religious groups as a Christian group, all you're agitating for is "there shouldn't be a group that's to be reckoned with as Christians". Whereas Jesus Himself said so many things that shows there must be a group for the purpose of RECOGNITION! Matthew 10:22-26/John 13:34,35/17:8,9,14-19 So Jesus used Russell just as a tool to reestablish His congregation in this last days and all further adjustments Jesus is doing as a spirit person in our midst. Matthew 28:20 God bless you!
TATIME: The topic of the thread is what brought you and your friends into this podium, not me coming to you to preach anything to you!
I think it's time you start telling the truth-it is you that comes to us and argue your beliefs against us 'as soon as we mention the Word of God, you pounce against us, trying to convince us 'you are right while the Word of God is wrong! It can be very Barbaric when we read your commits concerning the word of God, matter of fact it's an insult against God Himself.. Still you choose to play the blame game, blaming us coming to you, when we are all guilty of this very same crime-plus you blame us continually because you haven't got the balls to front up for your own mistakes..
TATIME: We're all participants in this podium to make simple presentations of what each of us believe, whether it's right or wrong should be left in the hands of Jesus to judge.
Well according to Jesus, He said: we can judge by their fruit! And I have judged you, "because your fruit separates you from Christ: to know He is God who raised Himself from the dead, according to your NWT Bible.. {Allow me to prove these facts against you} {John 2:18-22}Therefore, in response the Jews said to him: “What sign can you show us, since you are doing these things?” {19} Jesus replied to them: “Tear down this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” {20}The Jews then said: “This temple was built in 46 years, and will you raise it up in three days?” {21} But he was talking about the temple of his body. {22} When, though, he was raised up from the dead, his disciples recalled that he used to say this, and they believed the scripture and what Jesus had spoken. The apostles believed it, I believe it, but the JW's don't believe it because your fruit separates you from Christ...
TATIME: Hmmmmmmmmmm i pray that you get the sense of this discussion without this argumentative mindset! The topic of the thread is what brought you and your friends into this podium, not me coming to you to preach anything to you! You said Jesus asked His followers to go out and preach, and you said it could be in any form but the topic of this thread is 17 facts about a group "Jehovah's Witnesses" this has nothing to do with coming to preach to you or your friends. So what do you mean by saying "i came to you" We're all participants in this podium to make simple presentations of what each of us believe, whether it's right or wrong should be left in the hands of Jesus to judge. But pouring out ones rage on others simply because they're holding contrary opinion regarding what is written in black and white makes no practical sense and it becomes BARBARIC most especially after Jesus the one you're claiming to be on His side has taught His own followers never to become vulgar about His matter! God bless you!
TATIME: Jesus taught His followers to go and meet people face to face not hiding behind some forms of media only to start cursing and insulting those who disregard or disagree with them.
Jesus said" go out unto all the nations and preach the gospel-either it is on the street, in a courtyard or in someones backyard or on the media, it doesn't matter just as long as it is being preached. Hypocritical I say, you also hide behind the media preaching your doctrine that isn't scriptural. Which of course you preach another doctrine that can only come from the Watchtower, Paul said: he preached in different homes with the believers, he never said, go door to door harassing unbelievers face to face? When Paul preach He hit the temple courtyards, Where the Pharisees would arrest him every chance they had-I don't see JW's doing that... It is only insulting to you, because you see your reflection biting back at you..
TATIME: Whether a person is claiming to be a JW or any other group, it's BARBARIC cursing or insulting people when you're supposed to be pleading with them! That's what i called BARBARIC!
You can't help yourself-when all you can do is point your finger at somebody else-try looking into your heart, now look into someone else's heart-can you see how insulting you can be-you do the same things you accuse us for doing, you are using the same forms of media we are using, and yet you winch about everybody else who do what you do...
TATIME: You can claim to be on the Lord's side but try to meditate thoroughly on how Jesus will react seeing you cursing or insulting your audience simply because they turned you or the word down. That's what i called BARBARIC!
You don't come to me preaching the gospel-you come to me preaching lies from the Watchtower, I call this BARBARIC!
TATIME: Hmmmmmmmmmm well all i'm saying is "there is no way you can work efficiently for someone who perfectly set the example if you're not doing it according to the laid down arrangement" Jesus taught His followers to go and meet people face to face not hiding behind some forms of media only to start cursing and insulting those who disregard or disagree with them. Whether a person is claiming to be a JW or any other group, it's BARBARIC cursing or insulting people when you're supposed to be pleading with them! You can claim to be on the Lord's side but try to meditate thoroughly on how Jesus will react seeing you cursing or insulting your audience simply because they turned you or the word down. That's what i called BARBARIC!
{John 2:18-22} NWT Bible Therefore, in response the Jews said to him: “What sign can you show us, since you are doing these things?” Jesus replied to them: “Tear down this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. {Jesus said: He will raise Himself up in 3 day's {1 Corinthians 6:14, Acts 2:24} By His power God raised the Lord from the dead.. This must mean Jesus and the Father are One.. {Verse 20} The Jews then said: “This temple was built in 46 years, and will you raise it up in three days?” But he was talking about the temple of his body. When, though, he was raised up from the dead, his disciples recalled that he used to say this, and they believed the scripture and what Jesus had spoken.
TATIME: In all of these, FRUSTRATION shouldn't come in because each person will carry his own load. Galatians 6:4,5 So my friend, whether people accept Christ or reject Him it's not our own to place curses on them or engage them in verbal abuse. Luke 9:51-56 God bless you!
The truth is, its Hypocritical-you are not as innocent as you would like us to believe, you do the same things 'you accuse us off, you return evil with verbal abuse, every time the Word of God is said, you return it by trying to destroy it, you curse us when you can't find the answer, you steer the subject in another direction. You start the arguments, knowing you can't finish them, we have always return the Word of God back to you-and yet you stumble against it.. You return our good conduct with evil! We are here to preach the gospel, you are here to preach Watchtower literature, we are here protecting the Word of God; We preach Christ the Son of God-you preach Michael as Christ the Son of God! We preach two different gospels. "You should take it from your own beliefs, do you not protect the Watchtower?}
TATIME: There is nothing evil in discussing about God's word at any point in time according to Jesus, but it's BARBARIC when someone who supposed to be a preacher is found cursing or verbally insulting someone simply because that one holds a contrary opinion. Matthew 5:22 [
Do you have to be like those that sin against you? Do you have to give back evil for evil-you judge the world because they are not part of your congregation, and It's BARBARIC when someone disagrees with you, but it seems' it is not BARBARIC when you disagree with somebody else.. Hypocritical is my word for you today!
TATIME: You're trying but let's reason together to see clearly how those quoted scriptures should be applied to make sense. "For with the judgement you pronounce, you shall be judged and with the measure you use, it shall be measured to you" Matthew 7:1,2 Jesus is the RIGHTEOUS judge who will judge everyone according to what they measured out to others, of course i can decide not to be your friend because of some things i dislike but if i now condone the same thing from others, of what reason am i refraining from you? So Jesus is saying you shouldn't judge hypocritically because if you're telling people that smiling is a SIN of course it's not so from God's standpoint but you mustn't smile otherwise God will judge you according to your own measurement! As for those preaching the TRUTH from God's word, they're always happy whether people accept their preaching or not. So there is nothing like "Frustration" for TRUE Christians, rather they're happy people even if you inflict pain on them talkless merely rejecting their message. Act 5:41,42 On the other hand it's Satan's agents that do become enraged with frustration,and they look forward to stopping or harming those having contrary opinion. Act 5:33-40 compared to Luke 21:12 If you're claiming to be a Christian and i say you're not getting it right, Jesus never said a Christian should start cursing or abusing such a person. What Master Jesus said is let such a person becomes to you like the tax collectors.{Matthew 18:15-17} Meaning you should stop farther sacred services with such a person in other not to contaminate your worship before the true God. Psalms 1:1,2 But as for the judgment of those at fault, it's Jesus that's coming to handle that not you or me{Revelations 22:10-12} The only thing i can do is to avoid having anything regarding spirituality with you. 2John 10,11 In all of these, FRUSTRATION shouldn't come in because each person will carry his own load. Galatians 6:4,5 So my friend, whether people accept Christ or reject Him it's not our own to place curses on them or engage them in verbal abuse. Luke 9:51-56 God bless you!
{Romans 10:17} So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Your faith comes from the Watchtower-your works is based upon where you stand within the Watchtower-either you are one of the 144000 to be with Jehovah, or maybe by your works you will be with those left on Earth spending eternity with Jehovah's first son Michael the archangel..
TATIME: I would have loved this debate if we're making any progress in the discussion. "FAITH" according to Apostle Paul of blessed memories "is the assured expectation of what is hoped for the evident demonstration of realities though not seen".Hebrews 11:1 Though i'm not so much good in English class but at least i can grasp the words "assured expectation" "hope" and "demonstration". To me these three words connotes specific actions taken to show none participants that those WORKING certainly have something they're "hoping" for even though such things aren't visible to those around them! So if you're now convinced that Paul should have stated it the other way round as in "works without faith is dead" then you should realise that it's not my fault for working towards my faith because that's what i read in my own Bible "faith without works is dead" Of course some Israelites were busy trying to work out there salvation by the WORKS of the Mosaic Law, but it's only by putting faith in the blood of Christ that can save. Yet putting faith in the blood of Jesus to me still means doing certain things that this new mediator commissioned. Moses brought the 600 laws and those putting faith in it will surely be able to recognise the Messiah when He arrives but putting faith in the Messiah is what can bring everlasting life. Both of them need WORKS but while one must come to an end at the commencement of the other, the second will continue to be in operation till eternity! Hebrews 7:11,12 compared to Luke 1:33 That's why Paul said Christ is the END of the law (Romans 10:4) but that doesn't implies that in Christ there is no WORKS, it simply means that whatever a believer would do as WORKS for God henceforth must be in accordance with what Jesus (Christ or Messiah)commanded! Philippians 2:12,4:8 Once again i'll say thanks my dear friend, God bless you!
{James 5:19-20} Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins. If you were to look at it from this point of view, instead of looking for the excuses, and calling it barbaric you would know frustration is always standing at the door-"for those that preach to those who refuse the Word of God..
TATIME: There is nothing evil in discussing about God's word at any point in time according to Jesus, but it's BARBARIC when someone who supposed to be a preacher is found cursing or verbally insulting someone simply because that one holds a contrary opinion. Matthew 5:22 [
Then Why, do you judge someone that doesn't practice Watchtower literature? and why do you belittle them? For we will all stand before God’s judgment seat. {Matthew 7:2-4} For with the same judgment you pronounce, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but fail to notice the beam in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ while there is still a beam in your own eye?…
TATIME: Sorry my friend this post escaped my notice! Well Jesus and His friends or followers were going from village to village and preaching about God's Kingdom in all Israel to both Jews and Samaritans, the lady is from the nearby Samaritan village and so Jesus seized the opportunity to preach about God's Kingdom to her. John 4:34 Notice that Jesus likens His preaching to FOOD and WORK! There is nothing evil in discussing about God's word at any point in time according to Jesus, but it's BARBARIC when someone who supposed to be a preacher is found cursing or verbally insulting someone simply because that one holds a contrary opinion. Matthew 5:22 The Greek text translated "PREACH" could also be rendered to plead as in begging someone to have a change of mind towards something, that's why a Christian must always be watchful of his utterances. 1Peter 3:15 compared to Psalms 19:14 You can do well to read through the comments or posts of those claiming Christians in this podium and imagine how Jesus will react if He should stand at a distance watching those who are PLEADING with a supposed unbeliever whom to them needs changes as in mindset! Matthew 5:43-48
What did Jesus do, when He was at the well, He asked for water-what does a JW do, refuses, because of a trust issues-so does this mean you are still Christ like.. If you were truly a friend of God, would you call His Word barbaric, Do you still believe-you can travel through time, without bible knowledge, Don't you realise not only "Gruni" we are all learning the scriptures from each other.. And because Gruni is seeking after bible knowledge, you should be encouraging him to seek some more, "Unless you don't accept the truth of Christ through bible knowledge!
TATIME: Arguments are for inexperience ones,that's why most people often turn their backs on Christlike qualities since they're not trained to answer others with mildness and self-control. 1Peter 3:15 But true Christians knows what is worrying them so we pray for them to be saved because we're sure they have a zeal for God but not according to accurate knowledge. Romans 10:2,3 I'm sure by now Gruni must be worried reading through all the barbaric posts of his friends,full of all manners of curses and insults just because they wish to make a diffense for their contradicting and conflicting religious doctrines, or should i say because they want to silence a religious group who's faith is obvious through their WORKS! So Gruni my friend, behold your Christian friends and their attitudes towards people having a different mindset!
TATIME: I strongly believe you can't agree with me neither am i going to agree with you since what i cherish so much is missing in your religion namely "WORKS". We've all tried our best to emphasize on how our divers religious beliefs seems in line with the Bible but it's just a pity that we can't agree on common terms. God bless you!
Your works without faith is dead-if I was to say that I emphasize my religious beliefs towards anybody, and I didn't come preaching the Word of God, then I would say I have works without producing my faith.. But if I have faith 'then I have works: your works is based on door to door preaching about Watchtower literature-you don't see my works because your blindness keeps you from seeing my works working together by my faith in Christ. It's a pity you don't recognise truth, even if it was standing at your door 'you keep it closed.. {James 2:17-18, 24} Faith Without Works Is Dead Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead? {Ephesians 2:8-9} For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.
TATIME: Everyone has his/her conviction regarding others practicing religions having contrary opinion. So let's keep DOING what we believe is right,while meditating thoroughly on the achievements of the group we're associating with. Because each person will render an account before the judge of heaven and earth, and it's clear that the group we belong will certainly have an impact on whatever we choose to do. I strongly believe you can't agree with me neither am i going to agree with you since what i cherish so much is missing in your religion namely "WORKS". We've all tried our best to emphasize on how our divers religious beliefs seems in line with the Bible but it's just a pity that we can't agree on common terms. God bless you!
TATIME: That's why i told you earlier that you can't learn anything tangible about God on social media. You have to sit side by side with the one TEACHING you face to face.
But we can learn the truth 'by just spending a little time reading our own bibles! {Hebrews 8:11-12} For this is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord. I will put My laws in their minds, and inscribe them on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they will be My people. No longer will each one teach his neighbor or his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ because they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest. {1 John 2:26-27} I have written these things to you about those who are trying to deceive you. And as for you, the anointing you received from Him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But just as His TRUE and genuine anointing teaches you about all things, so remain in Him as you have been taught. The differences between you and the scriptures, is you don't preach the Word of God-this is why I recognise the spirit in you, it is not the Holy Spirit. So if you were to teach anybody-you would come claiming to know Christ-but you wouldn't finish your teachings with Christ! Satan comes as a light bearer to deceive, even the elect! To be honest I couldn't sit in anybodies home-knowing I am about to devour them, conviction would over shadow me, I would be crying out unto the Lord for my forgiveness, to teach somebody a false doctrine that does not belong to God-is a sin in it'self...
TATIME: That's why i told you earlier that you can't learn anything tangible about God on social media. You have to sit side by side with the one TEACHING you face to face. For your information, i'm not just saying it it's right there in all versions of the Bible written in black and white. God sat in heaven to judge all living creatures presenting themselves as God before humans, whether they're flesh or spirit beings! Psalms 82:1,6 So God of the Bible said it HIMSELF that all other Gods are highly intelligent beings misleading lower intelligent creatures,not me Tatime but the author of the Bible! HIS reason is because they can't make their worshippers happy since they're also creatures with limited knowledge, all they can do is to assist their worshippers to amass wealth and make such worshippers the target of all criminals. Matthew 6:19-21 The true God on the other hand taught US through HIS only begotten son that there won't be peace unless there is equity and justice. Luke 12:15-21 Therefore those accumulating riches will start living in fear all their lives because of the treasures they're storing here on earth! That's why you're seeing all your greedy pastors going about with fully armed bodyguards.
And you believe the world should join together becoming one mind, one soul and one heart..
TATIME: So when Paul wrote that Christians have One God, he is simply emphasizing the need for oneness in thoughts, doctrines and teachings.
When Paul talks about One God he said it the it sounds, their is one God-one doctrine and one teaching-one mediator between God and man, Jesus Christ. The world is full of god's-but their is One God 'One Lord and Savour.. I can't see the differences between the Muslims god Allah, your god Jehovah, Krishna, Buddha or even Jupiter god-you all teach false gods, you all worship unknown gods, there is Only One true God-Jesus Christ is Lord of all Creation.
TATIME: NO my friend! Indians believe Krishna is GOD, Orientals believe Buddha is GOD, Roman's believe Jupiter is GOD and so on. You can't distinguish between any of these deities unless you mention their names! The title God simply connotes reverence, fear, submission or worship. So when Paul wrote that Christians have One God, he is simply emphasizing the need for oneness in thoughts, doctrines and teachings. The title "God" was also used in ancient times for human rulers who have the power to determine the fate of their subjects, So my friend the title 'GOD" means nothing before them unless such so called GOD does something worthwhile just as you are demanding from those who claims to believe in God. Exodus 5:2-4 The irony of this is it's the same you that's demanding for evidence to prove the existence of God that's now defending the idea of one single God, it's that not awful? Well let me help you out. Muslims are not worshippers of the true God, because they don't even know the name or the laws of Jehovah (the God of Israel). Moreover the Arab world are the first four nations to rule the world that's why they're trying to get back that dominance as they're convinced that Rome ruled longer because of the influence of the Catholic Church, they want to employ the religious system of politics.
TATIME: You're wrong my friend, because 90% of atheists today were formerly claiming Christians until they noticed that their so called men of God are doing nothing but making fortunes from their stupidity!
The Watchtower made its riches through other associated members of the Watchtower! Either it's through tithes, or from other methods of manipulation-the stupidity of all this, is, your Church is running with all the other 90% because they had manipulate the scriptures to gain financial support.
TATIME: For your information, the only tangible reason for joining atheism is to be free from control, some will selfishly start their own church so that instead of being led, they will lead others.
You are wrong, Atheist are not free they are bound by the law..
TATIME: 1992 when i was studying the Bible with JWs, Mr David Oyedepo now titled "Bishop" was also studying with the same person, it was the same book "You can live forever in Paradise on earth" that the JW was using to conduct the study until Oyedepo started behaving funny. That's when the JW stopped studying with him, he said "it's like the man is determined to become rich as a pastor rather serve the true God"
You use this man as your weapon to be a good example-against the Church of God-bishop Oyedepo is a small man in the flesh, who claims to know Christ-a man of prosperity, and you claim he was taught and studied with the JW's..
TATIME: There's no way you can be a Christian without knowing how to preach and teach with efficiency. Many following Jehovah's Witnesses organization but who wants to be independent of control became atheists and that's exactly what happened to many who were also blindly following pastors.
Then there is no way you can claim to be called a Christian in the first place-knowing you don't preach Christ, just like the atheist they refuse Christ also..
TATIME: You're wrong my friend, because 90% of atheists today were formerly claiming Christians until they noticed that their so called men of God are doing nothing but making fortunes from their stupidity! There's no way you can be a Christian without knowing how to preach and teach with efficiency. Many following Jehovah's Witnesses organization but who wants to be independent of control became atheists and that's exactly what happened to many who were also blindly following pastors. For your information, the only tangible reason for joining atheism is to be free from control, some will selfishly start their own church so that instead of being led, they will lead others. The bitter truth is that many of your so called pastors knew so much about Jehovah's Witnesses but they choose to start their own. 1992 when i was studying the Bible with JWs, Mr David Oyedepo now titled "Bishop" was also studying with the same person, it was the same book "You can live forever in Paradise on earth" that the JW was using to conduct the study until Oyedepo started behaving funny. That's when the JW stopped studying with him, he said "it's like the man is determined to become rich as a pastor rather serve the true God" So he knew the truth but choose to sell his conscience for riches! Matthew 6:24 Whoever has ears let him listen.
The world is full of translators, and the bible had been tossed and rolled over from one language to another, but what you are not understanding is 'at the beginning the apostles wrote the scriptures-led by God, 'it is common sense to know our "flesh wars against the Spirit" there are to many interpretations, because man without the Spirit of God is not satisfied with only One God.. {2 Peter 1:20-21} Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation. For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit It's the Spirit of God who gives us discernment about these different interpretations, I prefer the KJ's..
Gruni1234: The understanding is clear enough. What you might say I need your Holy Spirit for is to show me that God exists, show me God's power which he is yet to do, that's if God exists.
{John 4:48} Jesus said: "Unless you people see signs and wonders," Jesus told him, "you will never believe. If your Christians friends does not show you the fruit of the Spirit by good conduct-and you fill you need more evidence to prove if God exist, then I would be questioning about ones faith-do they walk as they love God, or do they walk enjoying the comforts of worldly lust?
Gruni1234: You see I've dealt with Christians for some time now and I've really met good open minded ones.
You look for a sign-blind as you are-you don't see the power of God working through your good Christian friends, you did say: these are the same people you dine with, you drink and eat with, and still you look for a sign-If God really exist? By their fruit we know them? Thomas said: he will not believe until he puts his fingers into Jesus side and hands-Jesus said: bless is he who believes without seeing.
Gruni1234: That is not the case Young Sir, the new testament was written in Greek. To translate and transliterate to English you need scholars. The Apostles of Jesus did not write in English, they wrote medieval greek. Scholars including Atheist Scholars helped in some versions of the bible, especially in the meanings of the Greek words. You can do a search yourself. You see I've dealt with Christians for some time now and I've really met good open minded ones. For example the Witnesses are saying Jesus is an angel, I was presented with two debaters on both sides trying to defend their claim. Evidence provided was Hebrews that says Jesus was not an angel, I don't think I need your Holy Spirit to understand this. The understanding is clear enough. What you might say I need your Holy Spirit for is to show me that God exists, show me God's power which he is yet to do, that's if God exists.
Gruni1234: The previous video was quite shocking, does the bible really teach to disown your own who doesnt believe in What you believe in? This is strange. Honestly, I never knew the bible taught hatred, to the point of disowning your very flesh and blood. This is absurd, Christianity is absurd. I thought Jesus taught about forgiveness and Love. I thought he said what good is it to do good to others who returns same good to you. Wow, I'm beyond speech. Speechless. Many of my friends are Christians but we go out together do stuff together, eat together, drink together, work together, they never rejected me. Are they ignorant of their own religion? So what good is there then in Christianity?
So if you refuse to believe in the above, then how do you believe below?
Gruni1234: First of my dear Friend, if I'm a Trinitarian or Unitarian doesnt really matter to me if I become a Christian. What matters to me is I follow the precept of the bible and the bible alone. If the bible tells me My God is a truine God so be it. If it doesnt so be it. I dont need anyone,group or organization to tell me how to know God.I have a brain to think and I've gone to school enough to understand English, what,how and when the bible means.
Your fellows are doing a poor job defending their beliefs , they say one and then change it to mean another. I am a witness to this, I can read and write and know logic. So what you say doesn't really matter to me. I see the way zodiakzax deals with you in verbal assault which I'm against but it seems it could just be The right means to explore given how you just attacked me.
Now get this right as your other colleague got it wrong.I want you to know most atheist do not believe the bible is fabricated, we only don't believe there's a God. Christians turn to Scholars, Atheist scholars who are very educated in the Greek language for council, they help in the Greek text and language as to what it means or not. These scholars mostly accept John 1:1 as the word being divine, and as divine means God. Your assertion that it's "a god" clearly misrepresent the verse. Many Atheist greek scholars accept it to be God not "a god" does that make them a believer that God exists? Get your facts right Young Sir.
Christians don't turn to Atheist, Christians turn to God! It was the Holy Spirit that gave the Disciples insights how to write the bible..And it is the Holy Spirit that gives us knowledge how to understand the bible.
Well tough love-is sometimes mistaken as hatred-I suppose what you call hatred isn't really hatred! No-one likes God when we read the bible out of context: sometimes we have to separate ourselves from our own flesh and blood, it's healthy to do so, if you see your brother sinning, do you sin with him? People disown family members all the time, we come and go, we either forgive and forget, sometimes we don't see each other for ever-it doesn't mean we have disowned them-neither love them, it means we have decided to make our way in life-we either get married, have Children, or it's work related that separates us from family members. Well my family refuse to believe-it doesn't matter how many times I have witnessed to them, I still love them, but sometimes disowning your flesh and blood-is not as bad as what it sounds. Adults do make choices 'and If I had chosen to stay with family members, then I am sharing in their sins, since I have been with God-I no-longer do the things I did before I believed, I had made a choice-do I stay sinning with my family-sex drugs and rock n roll-all do I have a healthier life to look forward too. I still love my family, they respect my decision, as I do theirs. It's life, but when God preachers it, you don't accept it, but when the world practices it, you don't recognise it. We all have friends that don't believe, I have friends on the wrong side of the law-we respect each other-but sometimes someone has to draw the line, do I continual drinking with them, drank on the side walk, do I use drugs with them, just to be accepted, all do I use my faith as a good example-that they may 'one day realise-their lives are shorten every time they pump sickness into their unhealthy bodies. The truth had set me free-this is how much I love those around me...What would you do, would you be a good example, to your friends-family or would you watch them die like the JW's do? "I would just like to add, JW's do things different, that does not line up to the scriptures! I have witnessed wife's husbands and Children crying out for their love ones to be returned back to them, because the Watchtower gives them a life sentence and separates them from their marriages-families and love ones, because one refuses to acknowledge their Watchtower beliefs.. {Mark 10:7-9} But Jesus said: ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’; so then they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.
Gruni1234: The previous video was quite shocking, does the bible really teach to disown your own who doesnt believe in What you believe in? This is strange. Honestly, I never knew the bible taught hatred, to the point of disowning your very flesh and blood. This is absurd, Christianity is absurd. I thought Jesus taught about forgiveness and Love. I thought he said what good is it to do good to others who returns same good to you. Wow, I'm beyond speech. Speechless. Many of my friends are Christians but we go out together do stuff together, eat together, drink together, work together, they never rejected me. Are they ignorant of their own religion? So what good is there then in Christianity?
TATIME: If i'm to be in the audience, of course i'll be shocked that a religious group is teaching it's members to be cold towards their family members who aren't members of their religious group. But whoever reads and meditate thoroughly on the words from Jesus will have a different opinion. (Matthew 12:47-49) It's either you hate Jesus who started all these or you demand for a reason to grasp the practical applications of what Jesus taught and it's benefits! So if you choose the first option you'll definitely hate those following His instructions since Jesus is no more here in the flesh and you can't slap Him,arrest Him or kill Him. John 17:14 But you dare not choose the second option (asking for the practical applications of what Jesus taught and it's benefits) because if you do, i bet you you will end up becoming one of Jehovah's Witnesses!
Gruni1234: @brocab, advice well received, i am not there yet but in time if he is really real then it shouldn't be a problem for him. Thank you.
Don't ever think you are here on your own free will-you are not here on your own free will-most people would run from sights like this-I ran away from everything to do with religion-my flesh would war against His Spirit--before I came to know the Lord, but God had His hand on me-He sends in the big guns, "Christians, I didn't know why at first-but He was leading me to make my choice-and what a choice I had made, I wouldn't turn back to my old self-my old self was dead in it tracks! "so If Christ isn't real-then why are you here? I will tell you why? Christ brought you here, because He is real..
Gruni1234: I'm really shocked how simple truth is denied. I will address all relevant points soon. So many twists and turns. What's bothering me is why protect an organization when clearly has some flaws in their doctrine. Are you being paid for being there? The Jehovah witnesses here have totally disappointed me and has open my eyes to see their own deception. Just to say nothing anyone says will change the truth. I can from my own reading know and ascertain that Jesus Christ is not an angel. This is just the case. I will take all points all have made and write my final thoughts on all matters discussed so far.
@brocab, advice well received, i am not there yet but in time if he is really real then it shouldn't be a problem for him. Thank you.
TATIME: Your manner of response towards JWs post is an undeniable fact that you're a PRACTICING Christian who needs no JWs to come and teach him what Jesus taught His followers to be observing and how to respond with mildness. Matthew 10:11-15 My friend,whether you like it or not i'm now convinced beyond every reasonable doubt that these JWs you despise so much are the one and only Christian group of our time. Act 24:5 It's obvious that the same kind of envy that beclowded Cain's reasoning is what's making you feel bad about their activities, they're able to preach and teach the most vicious amongst men and making them the meekest in the midst of others! Honesthearted persons who are searching for true Christians "after reading Jesus' own words from the Bible can EASILY recognize them BY THEIR ACTIONS" Act 11:26 For your information, whoever is giving you attention or responding to your post is NOT obeying the instruction from our GB. They've warned us not to engage in fruitless arguments with those who aren't convinced with the works that they see US do in their neighborhood zealously, industriously and persistently. We're only to make presentations of our beliefs in a mild and respectful manner, so if you think you know better than we do then our expectations is to see you do WHAT JESUS ASKED CHRISTIANS TO BE DOING in order for everyone to learn from you! So it's not a matter of name calling or curses, it's about ACTIONS which speaks louder than mere words. James 2: 18-20 God bless you!
TATIME: Your manner of response towards JWs post is an undeniable fact that you're a PRACTICING Christian who needs no JWs to come and teach him what Jesus taught His followers to be observing and how to respond with mildness. Matthew 10:11-15
{1 John 2:26-27} I have written these things to you about those who are trying to deceive you. And as for you, the anointing you received from Him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But just as His TRUE and genuine anointing teaches you about all things, so remain in Him as you have been taught. I suppose this is a good reason why we don't listen to you-and besides you don't come to us bringing with you the true gospel, "so if you are not going to preach to us the truth, then you give us no choice 'to rebuke you in the Name of Jesus! {Hebrews 8:10-11} For this is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord. I will put My laws in their minds, and inscribe them on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they will be My people. No longer will each one teach his neighbor or his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ because they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest. If you knew Christ you wouldn't dare bring another doctrine to me..
TATIME: with the works that they see US do in their neighborhood zealously, industriously and persistently.
{Galatians 2:16} know that a man is not justified by works of the Law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. JW's is known only by works, if your faith had any meaning to it, I wouldn't be having this conversation!
TATIME: Your manner of response towards JWs post is an undeniable fact that you're a PRACTICING Christian who needs no JWs to come and teach him what Jesus taught His followers to be observing and how to respond with mildness. Matthew 10:11-15 My friend,whether you like it or not i'm now convinced beyond every reasonable doubt that these JWs you despise so much are the one and only Christian group of our time. Act 24:5 It's obvious that the same kind of envy that beclowded Cain's reasoning is what's making you feel bad about their activities, they're able to preach and teach the most vicious amongst men and making them the meekest in the midst of others! Honesthearted persons who are searching for true Christians "after reading Jesus' own words from the Bible can EASILY recognize them BY THEIR ACTIONS" Act 11:26 For your information, whoever is giving you attention or responding to your post is NOT obeying the instruction from our GB. They've warned us not to engage in fruitless arguments with those who aren't convinced with the works that they see US do in their neighborhood zealously, industriously and persistently. We're only to make presentations of our beliefs in a mild and respectful manner, so if you think you know better than we do then our expectations is to see you do WHAT JESUS ASKED CHRISTIANS TO BE DOING in order for everyone to learn from you! So it's not a matter of name calling or curses, it's about ACTIONS which speaks louder than mere words. James 2: 18-20 God bless you!
With all this knowledge-'shows it doesn't matter how much knowledge you may think you have-obviously it doesn't lead you to Christ. {2 Timothy 4:1-5} I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom: Preach the word! {You don't preach, because your faith is lacking, do you know that faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God} Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, {Because they denied the Word of God} because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; {They teach their own doctrines} and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables. {People that don't know Christ-don't preach Christ-and the Spirit of God don't reside in them} But you be watchful in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry. {God is talking to the believers} {Hebrews 4:12} For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. {Luke 21:33} Jesus said: Heaven and Earth will pass away but My Word will never pass away.. Do you know when you die-your knowledge no-longer exist-your knowledge dies with you-after you have gone-someone may take hold of it, use it, write a book for the good of man kind, "but what usually happens knowledge returns itself back to it's rightful place. And if this still puzzles you, then you are trying to figure this out through your own mind! Do you know the bible is simple-it was written for simple people to understand-Children-it doesn't take rocket science to know the Word of God, matter of fact it say's this: {Proverbs 2:5-7} For the LORD gives wisdom; from His mouth come knowledge and understanding. He stores up sound wisdom for the upright; He is a shield to those who walk with integrity,… And how does one seek after such knowledge-it's quite simple: {Matthew 6:6} when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. {Seek and you will find, knock and it will be open, ask and it will be given!} What man is there among you-that can understand Spiritual knowledge-without the Spirit of God teaching him, Earthly knowledge fades into nothing, Spiritual knowledge is living and powerful! Do you know one must be born again 'before he can enter into the kingdom of God...
Barristter07, let me tell you something about myself and let that be on the record.
1. I am not a child 2. I am not an illiterate 3.Going to school and getting my masters, and working on PHD isn't a child's play nor is it for illogical people.
Now, Hebrews was clear and I have read that myself about God calling NO angel the Begotten Son of God. Your good book says Jesus is made better than the Angels, the writer now continues to tell us more, "For unto which of the angels said he at any time " thou art my Son, today have i begotten thee? This was a rhetorical question, he said which of the angels? Who amongst them did he begotten? And again which of them said he at any time, I will be to him a Father and He shall be to me a Son?Another rhetorical question that answered itself. He continued to say when he brought in the firstborn into the world, he saith, And let ALL the angels of God worship him.if He says let ALL the angels worship him, isn't He talking about all? He continues to distinguish between the Son and Angels. So Sir, as a logical thinker and an educated one I know when A is A and when B is B. I can understand for myself what I read. Here it clearly says Jesus was not an Angel. If you still hold on to the belief that Jesus is an Angel when your very book says otherwise then that's your problem Sir. Maybe you don't want to acknowledge their mistake, and that's what corruption is, when you clearly sees A and everyone knows it's A then you say it's B. It's a shame really. So that was why it took you time to say He was the Begotten Son. And after you were drawn out, you continue to shame yourself Sir. It's rather a big Shame to your intelligence as a free moral agent as such a free moral thinker. Honesty is a great virtue.
If I should come to God today, I will do that by my own free will, also i will follow God by my own free will, when someone challenge my core belief and gives me evidence to support that claim, I will for the sake of me loving God, research vividly to see if what I am presented with makes sense in light of scripture. We dont debate for debating sake. And I am pleased I'm able to uncover a great deception amongst the Watch Tower Organization. Don't think your debate with zodiakzax is for fun, I'm actually learning alot and not only me, I have friends here following it. You will be surprised what they say about your lack of logical and critical thinking. You think I'm a JW hater no, to the contrary, I like you guys, always visiting me and spending some time with me. Only problem is you reject knowledge even though you know nothing about what the person is saying.
So they came to my house, we had a nice chat, they asked me to visit them, I told them I don't believe in God etc, they directed me to the website to read and know more about who God is etc. And later said they will bring me a tract that can prove God exists, I said fine, then I said, well can I also give you a material to prove to You that God doesn't exist? Read it and let me know what you also think, at least to be fair, so when we talk later we both know a little about each other's belief. Well they rejected it, says they don't read those kind of books, well then I also told them I'm sorry but I'm also not interested in your books and website. Told them if they are ready to read my books, I will also be ready to read theirs.
I have other Christian friends who will read my books and even use that to challenge me. It's been fun and as I also read their books, I go and challenge them but they always have an answer, weird, I will tell myself, these guys always answer me. It's been going on for sometime now, now I feel drawn to know about Christianity, Jesus, trinity etc in my search, I came across this website and many more. I've learnt alot for myself. I've called the Jw fellows to come over, following zodiakzax and others statements, I want to see if they can also plainly deny what's the obvious. It Will be a disappoint though.
The truth is, it doesn't matter which denomination or what organisation they believe is true, if they haven't the Word of God planted in them-then it is obvious 'they are not saved. Usually "man made denomination of organised traditions-is based upon rules and regulations that brings disputes and arguments, evil suspicion, it's a curse against those who are truly seeking to believe Christ. {Galatians 3:10-11} For it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.” And it is clear that no one is justified before God by the Law, because, “The righteous will live by faith.”… Old church tradition is based on works-not faith, by work's it brings priest pastors to stand up on the pulpit to preach the gospel, it causes people to bring order within the body without lifting a finger to turn to the next chapter, works practiced without faith, causes Christians to backslide without testing the Word of God! This is why, we have been telling you JW's how it is important to study the Word of God! relying upon man won't bring you closer to God. We have witnessed to you, we have spent hours studying the Word of God-trying to teach you, and yet you have always denied Christ with a passion-believing not the Word of God, but Watchtower literature that will condemn you 'until Christ returns! Lying against the Spirit is a sin against God Himself, 'Jesus said: let no-man teach you-meaning 'He had sent His Spirit to teach us, to those who have chosen to believe! {1 John 2:27} But the anointing which ye have received of him abide in you, and you need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teach you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, you shall abide in him. The Watchtower is based upon false prophesies-it's religious god is focused under a denomination an organisation of men in the flesh built the Watchtower upon false hope, the Watchtower is another religious crusade-playing the secret society acts of the Illuminati, the Word of Faith Movement have joined forces with Pope Francis following by the many different religious beliefs are calling in for a New World Order. {Revelation 14:9-12}
The bible is silent to the unbelievers-they don't see what we see and understand-Atheist dressed up in sheep clothing-acting as wolves trying to devour the sheep.
Hairyrapunzel: You know they like assuming and after assuming they will make their assumptions their beliefs.
He wants you to tell him how Jesus was begotten because he thinks you have become God. He expects you to give him answers on things bible was silent about.
Hairyrapunzel: You think Barrister07 that believes that the only means of getting salvation is by joining the new York based publishing company called watchtower organization and unquestionably obeying the imperfect, uninspired and fallible old men who head this company will give you the answer? I don't think so.
It doesn't matter who said it: the point is, it was said: {And Jesus didn't rebuke it} nor did His disciples rebuke Thomas-why because they also believed it! And why wouldn't they believe it, Jesus just came back from the dead-not only Thomas but the disciples, seeing Jesus alive, would cause any man to say, MY Lord and MY God...If what Thomas said: wasn't true-Jesus would have told him so-but He didn't! It isn't common to see someone raised from the dead-Jesus told the disciples He will raise in 3 days-And He did! You don't believe it, because you haven't been taught to believe it-you were taught Jesus died and His Spirit lives on as Michael-sitting on Jehovah's right side.. Your belief's are not scriptural! If you were to step out of your comfort zone 'just a little, and read the bible without trying to find fault with it, you would see, what we see and believe. {John 20:29}Thomas believed because he had seen-but Jesus said: bless are those who don't see and believed..
Be humble, you can't prove Peter and other 10 said it. Its a matter of assumption , if Thomas is your one person that said it. Barriater07 also give where many people declared Yahweh as their Lord Psalm 8;9 , So that's the person he used as yardstick too . demanding it must be Jesus is like me demanding it must be Peter . You will never prove it. But that doesn't mean they didn't acknowledge , That's what am saying. Understand matters before u Shout stupid up and down, it's irrelevant
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 12:53am On Dec 08, 2018
