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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 11:54pm On Nov 20, 2018*

You said: you are a Pharisees with pride, your words, not my words, you called yourself a Pharisees and I am happy you are proud!
If you were truly a disciple you wouldn't dare to call yourself a Pharisees at any cost!
If you were truly a disciple of Christ you would see 'what we see, you would hear 'what we hear, and believed what His disciples believed..
{Acts 2:32,36,38,39} This Jesus God has raised up, of which we are all witnesses.
His Disciples knew Jesus to be God in the flesh-it was the Pharisees who refuse to disbelieve, Jesus was whom His Disciples know Him to be. And yet you lie against the truth, with JW pride calling yourselves Disciples of the Pharisees refusing to believe!
{36} “Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.”
{38} Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
You are blind leading the blind, your spirit is Jehovah's active force-an active force is Satan falling down from heaven like a lighten strike-that flashes and disappears into "it's" domain.
{39} For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.”
If you were a true disciple-you will see the Spirit of God descending from above! You would see what we see, like the Disciples saw, Jesus Christ is truly God..
{Acts 4:24} So when they heard that, they raised their voice to God with one accord and said:“Lord, You are God, who made heaven and earth and the sea, and all that is in them,
The Old testament and the New Testament is a written fact to prove Jesus is God, He made the heavens and the earth and the sea and everything in them.
{Nehemiah 9:6-7} You alone are the LORD. You created the heavens, the highest heavens with all their host, the earth and all that is on it, the seas and all that is in them. You give life to all things, and the heavenly host worships You.
You are the LORD, the God who chose Abram, who brought him out of Ur of the Chaldeans and gave him the name Abraham.…
There is only One God who made the heavens and the earth and the sea and everything in them, One Lord and savour of the world, One Almighty Father the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords!
{Acts 5:32} And we are His witnesses to these things, and so also is the Holy Spirit whom God has given to those who obey Him.”
Woe to you, Pharisee TATIME, you hypocrite! You are like a whitewashed tomb, which look beautiful on the outside, but on the inside are full of dead men’s bones and every impurity. "In the same way, you appear to be righteous on the outside, but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness, woe to you Pharisee you go knocking and you can't come in…

TATIME:
Yes! Jehovah's witnesses are the modern day Pharisees according to you and your folks but the irony of the matter is that unlike their first century counterparts the "modern day Pharisees" aren't agitating against you true Christians, it's the other way round! You the "true Christians" are the ones furiously agitating with intense hatred and bitterness saying that Pharisees shouldn't practice their religion freely! Matthew 7:15-20
Surely every right thinking person could EASILY figure it out that the spirit of hatred, envy, jealousy, agitation,disorder and bitterness has left the Pharisees in modern times but is now dwelling with the modern day Christians!

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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 12:27pm On Nov 20, 2018

TATIME:
"truthfully the real Christians, fighting against Jehovah's Witnesses who modern day Pharisees" Wonders shall never end.

I haven't heard such great faith from any JW: "Yes you have spoken well, you are the modern day Pharisees!

TATIME:
Jesus and His disciples preached PEACEFULLY in the first century. It was the different religious groups in Israel all having contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines that finds it difficult to allow them be.
The irony of the matter today is that you guys are claiming you belong to that peaceful group of the first century but the intolerant spirit you're displaying is enough evidence to prove that you're "truthfully the real Christians, fighting against Jehovah's Witnesses who modern day Pharisees" Wonders shall never end.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 12:06pm On Nov 20, 2018

TATIME:
So how do you expect strangers as in nonbelievers to search for Jesus

Not through the JW's, because they don't teach about Jesus, but Jehovah alone.
{John 6:37} "All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out."

TATIME:
Hmmmmmmmmm My friend,no matter how hard you try there's no way darkness can cover the light now. And no matter how much effort you put in,lie can't stand face to face against the truth!

I am not trying hard nor am I making an effort, all I am doing is bringing to you the Word of God, it is He' who is speaking to you though His Word, and it is His Word that you keep on rejecting!
{Luke 10:16}“Whoever listens to you listens to me; whoever rejects you rejects me; but whoever rejects me rejects him who sent Me..
And for you, ex Muslim you had rejected me, and Jesus at the same time!

TATIME:
For your first question :Who gave Jehovah's Witnesses the right to knock on people's doors or go to their homes uninvited? Well it's a young guy from Nazareth called Jesus! Matthew 10:11-15

You are mistaken, God didn't command Christians to go from door to door preaching the gospel?
Based on a misinterpretation of {Acts 20:20} many believe that the apostle Paul preached the gospel of the kingdom from house to house, to those who were unconverted. "But when the entire paragraph is read, starting in {verse 17} the proper meaning can be understood.
Paul “sent to Ephesus, and called the elders of the Church,” saying to them, “I…have taught you publicly, and from house to house.” He taught the Church leaders in their own homes. Paul did not go from house to house, teaching whomever answered his knock at the door.
At his own hired house in Rome, Paul “received all that came in unto him, preaching the kingdom of God,” which Christ had commanded him to preach {Acts 28:30-31} Christ had personally taught the gospel to Paul {I Corinthians 15:8; Galatians 1:11-2:2}
One of Christ’s teachings was that we are not to force our beliefs on anyone {Matthew 7:6}
Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you. This makes it quite clear that Paul did not try to convert people by preaching from house to house. His public teachings were carried out mainly in the Jewish synagogues.
So when you say, Jesus told you to preach, you lie against the truth, Jesus didn't give Jehovah witnesses the right to knock on anybodies door: Jesus said go out and preach His gospel-again you produce another doctrine from Magazines from the Watchtower! This is not the gospel Christ sent us out to preach..

TATIME:
immediately going by just from house to house,until we have gotten used to the people there and gradually we'll start making friends who will acquaint us with the local customs.

You lie against the truth: JW's have set times of different neighbourhoods each day, sale personal you are, you prey on the weak-the brokenhearted, filling them with promises you don't keep, elders call in the spirit of Jezebel using their daughters, grand daughters to hook and line and catch them in.

TATIME:
Hmmmmmmmmm My friend,no matter how hard you try there's no way darkness can cover the light now. And no matter how much effort you put in,lie can't stand face to face against the truth!
For your first question :Who gave Jehovah's Witnesses the right to knock on people's doors or go to their homes uninvited? Well it's a young guy from Nazareth called Jesus! Matthew 10:11-15 He gave us this command but if we get to a new territory where we don't understand their culture, we must first try to study if they do welcome strangers into their homes with hospitality. Hebrews 13:1,2 So in such cases we won't start immediately going by just from house to house,until we have gotten used to the people there and gradually we'll start making friends who will acquaint us with the local customs.
But as for those "looking for Jesus" it was because they've learnt so much from the scriptures concerning the coming of the Messiah and heard about someone doing things related to all that has been prophesied about the Messiah, so many were searching for Him either to learn from Him what Moses promised about the Messiah (Deuteronomy 18:18) or to get their sick ones cured.
Today Jesus' warning rings in the minds of true Christians. Matthew 13:21
So it's either true Christians go in search of honesthearted individuals to preach to them and teach them what Jesus commanded regarding the kingdom of God or they(true Christians) congregate together to encourage one another. Hebrews 10:24,25
Unbelievers who haven't heard anything about Jesus can't possibly be searching for Him,not even now that there's so much deceit everywhere to the point that even you and your friends CAN'T point to any religious group that's worthy to be called the one and only true Christians. So how do you expect strangers as in nonbelievers to search for Jesus

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 1:42am On Nov 20, 2018*

TATIME:
True Christians don't just expect unbelievers to come to Jesus my friend, WHY? Because they were commanded to GO OUT in search for deserving ones. Romans 10:13-15

Then who gave you 'your rights to invade people's private lives, without you having the Holy Spirit to guide you-when you keep on knocking but you can't come in..

TATIME:
Well Jesus called those who are living close to Him back then, many of them knew Him in the neighborhood before He got baptized by John but as for those living in far distance lands, Jesus never expected them to search for Him since they would have their own beliefs and teachings of their gods that's why He commanded His faithful disciples to "go and search for" such honesthearted individuals,preach to them about God's Kingdom and continue teaching them all that He

You are mistaken..
{John 1:11-12} He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name:
His own people didn't receive Him, His brothers didn't believe Him-until He was crucified! And if the JW's existed, they still wouldn't believe in Him-not then, and not now!
Jesus came not to save the righteous 'but sinners, people came from every region, from all directions looking for Jesus, many believed because they seen many miracles others believed the Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us. "With Us is God!
{Exodus 29:45} "I will dwell among the sons of Israel and will be their God.

TATIME:
I was a Muslim before i became one of Jehovah's Witnesses today,it's the good works and fine fruits of the organization that caught my attention!

Make up your mind were you, or were you not a Muslim?

TATIME:
So i can't possibly come from a Muslim background and start SEARCHING FOR JESUS whose position in God's arrangement i wasn't taught from infancy,

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 1:04am On Nov 19, 2018

Are you on drugs? Because the stuff you come up with, is someone who's tripping-you haven't the slightest idea who Jesus is, when the end of the age comes, repent and be ready for Christ, to save you from the wrath of God that is coming against you..

Crysthaniel:
Revelation 12:7 Michael and his Angels

2 Thessalonians 1:7 Jesus and his powerful Angels
.this is what The Bible says.

1 Thessalonians 4:16
because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an ARCHANGEL'S voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first.

Jude verses 9 refers to Michael as the Archangel

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 12:48am On Nov 19, 2018

{1 Corinthians 15:24-28} Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power.
For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet.
The last enemy to be destroyed is death.
For he “has put everything under his feet.”Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ.
When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.
It doesn't mention anything about Michael, only the Son Jesus! is there anything would you like to add to these scriptures, then if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
{And I suppose when Judgement day comes-Michael the son of the most high Jehovah-is sitting on his throne judging you?-This is not bible teaching, your teaching is comic book fantasize teaching! Russell and Smith came out from among the Seven day Adventist and taught the lies and wonders of men, rather them the truth of God!!}

Crysthaniel:
Yes no doubts about the Day of Jehovah..
Jehovah will use Jesus Christ his chief Angel to Execute his Judgement Read what 1corinthians 15:24-28 says:
Next, the end, when he hands over the Kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power. 25 For he must rule as king until God has put all enemies under his feet. 26 And the last enemy, death, is to be brought to nothing. 27 For God “subjected all things under his feet.” But when he says that ‘all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that this does not include the One who subjected all things to him 28 But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 12:23am On Nov 19, 2018

{Matthew 24:27} So if they tell you, ‘There He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it.
{Like the JW's believe and do} For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.
{It's quite funny, you argue the fact's Jehovah is coming back at the end of time, and now you are claiming it's Michael, you are mistaken, the Word of God said: the Son of man is coming back, when we see these signs at the end of this age}
{2 Thessalonians 1:6-7}God is just: He will pay back trouble to those who trouble you and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well. This will happen when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven in blazing fire with his powerful angels.{Which concerns Michael who is one powerful angel, Jesus said: with His powerful angels-Meaning many..}
As we can see Jesus is coming with His angels-'it's a big gap between Jesus and Michael..

Crysthaniel:
Revelation 12 :7-9
And war broke out in heaven: Miʹcha·el and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled 8 but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them any longer in heaven. 9 So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him.
Daniel 12:1-2
During that time Miʹcha·el will stand up, the great prince who is standing in behalf of your people. And there will occur a time of distress such as has not occurred since there came to be a nation until that time. And during that time your people will escape, everyone who is found written down in the book. 2 And many of those asleep in the dust of the earth will wake up, some to everlasting life and others to reproach and to everlasting contempt
These Michael here points to Jesus Bro..The Archangel the commander of Jehovah's Army
2 Thessalonians 1:7

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 12:09am On Nov 19, 2018

TATIME:
I was a Muslim before i became one of Jehovah's Witnesses today,it's the good works and fine fruits of the organization that caught my attention!

Well if you were really searching for Jesus you would have had found Him!

TATIME:
So Jesus said "let those who are filty (but refused to change) continue in their filth and let the holy remain holy" Revelations 22:11

You are mistaken-Jesus said: come follow Me, you don't follow Jesus, but Jehovah alone-So you stay fifty, you were once in your pit, and you jump into another pit of hell..
{John 3:3} Jesus said to him: “Most truly I say to you, unless anyone is born again, he cannot see the Kingdom of God.”
I would believe you, if you said: Jehovah and Allah are one and the same gods..

TATIME:
You can argue and continue arguing bitterly upon something that the owner has already declared HIS stand.
"I'm coming quickly and my reward is with me to give each person according to his(or her) deeds" Revelations 22:12
NO human can judge for HIM!
So Jesus said "let those who are filty (but refused to change) continue in their filth and let the holy remain holy" Revelations 22:11
I was a Muslim before i became one of Jehovah's Witnesses today,it's the good works and fine fruits of the organization that caught my attention! Therefore i believe it will make more sense if you guys can just point to another religious group claiming Christians that is producing FINE FRUITS or GOOD WORKS(Matthew 13:18-23, Galatians 5:22,23 & James 2:24-26) because if what both Apostle Paul, James and Jesus Himself said is anything to go by, Jehovah's Witnesses have gotten it all.
They've made over 8millions drop weapons and never ready to learn wars again. Isaiah 2:2-4, Micah 4:1-3
They've made a global lovely family. John 13:35,17:21-23
They've made marriages stronger than ever when most religious title chiefs are divorcé. Ephesians 5:33
They've been able to turn the minds of all members of the organization against this world's politics when most religious groups are suffering calamities due to the dirty game called POLITICS. Matthew 4:8-11 compared to John 6:15
They're the ONLY group that have conquered racism in all it's facets because they're following the teaching of Jesus who can't become prejudiced due to family ties with unbelievers but strongly attached to those having the same faith with Him. Matthew 12:46-50 compared to John 17:8,9
They were able to change even me a hot tempered individual due to my background,into a peacemaker (Matthew 5:9) calm and well behaved with deep respect,and now i goes our to preach and teach others how to put on the new (Christlike) personality! Ephesians 4:24, Colossians 3:10
So if you can't point to any other religious group that's meeting with these requirements, then you're all just exactly what Apostle Paul described in his first letter to the Corinthians "1Corinthians 13:1-13"
God bless you.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 11:31pm On Nov 18, 2018*

“The Lord said: I do not receive honor from men. But I know you, that you do not have the love of God in you.
I have come in My Father’s name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, him you will receive. {The Watchtower}
How can you believe, who receive honor from one another, and do not seek the honor that comes from the only God?
Do not think that I shall accuse you to the Father; there is one who accuses you—Moses, in whom you trust. For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me; for he wrote about Me. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?”
{Jude 1:9} But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not himself dare to condemn him for slander but said, "The Lord rebuke you!
How Can Michael be Jesus, when Michael couldn't rebuke Lucifer but said the Lord rebuke you?
{Luke 4:1-13}"And Jesus answered and said to him, “Get behind Me, Satan! For it is written, ‘You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only you shall serve.’
Jesus rebuked Lucifer the devil in the desert, and Michael couldn't rebuke a follow angel, Lucifer was the first born of Heaven. They called him the light bearer.
{Hebrews 1:6-8} And again, when God brings His firstborn into the world, He says: “Let all God’s angels worship Him.”
{Michael didn't worship himself-he worship Jesus} Now about the angels He says: “He makes His angels winds, His servants flames of fire.” But about the Son He says: “Your throne, O God, endures forever and ever, and justice is the scepter of Your kingdom.…
{Hebrews 1:13-14} But to which of the angels did God ever say: “Sit at My right hand until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet”? Are not the angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?…
So you are mistaken, If you had read the scriptures, Jesus knew the thoughts of men, He made sure He wrote Hebrews so the world knows He is not an angel! "Michael did not come to earth as Jesus-but Jesus came to earth as Emanuel meaning-With Us is God! "Michael is not God!

TATIME:
You just like arguing my friend. When i said some religious groups are saying something, of course my own also will say our own!
So whatever any religious group say for now is not what anyone can stop until Jesus Himself comes to tell us who is right and who is wrong. What i'm saying is everyone should be free to express themselves until the King comes to pass the judgment. I'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses and we believe God created angels in heaven and humans on earth. Psalms 115:16 The first Angel to be created is Jesus (Michael) and the first man was Adam. While Michael participated in creating all other heavenly beings. Proverbs 8:22-31
Adam was given the responsibility to reproduce and fill the earth. Genesis 1:28

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 5:05am On Nov 16, 2018

Not some religious Groups are saying Jesus is Michael the archangel, your religious Group is!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lE5KQHf8fX0
I rest my case!

TATIME:
It's simple! Some religious groups are saying Jesus is Michael the archangel but some disagreed with that. So let each continue preaching and teaching what they know or " what they thought they know" and time will tell who's FAITH is able to withstand the test of time! That's what Jesus Himself said(Matthew 13:30 compared to Revelations 22:11) And that's exactly what Christians are supposed to do,it's either you preach peacefully in your neighborhood and help your fellowman to realise his errors or you walk away gently when he arrogantly brags upon nothing!
Jehovah's Witnesses highly regards Jesus' comments that's why we don't worry over those who thought they knew much more than us,so we move quickly to the ones who feel like knowing the message we're trying to pass across. Jesus won't disturb other religious groups from practicing what they feel it's right, that's why He sent us to "individuals" in their homes. Matthew 10:11-15

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 2:30pm On Nov 15, 2018*

Have you tried reading your bible, maybe then you wouldn't judge which doctrines that have conflicting teachings!
Your bible only cares about the little things in life-your bible holds to much confusion most of it doesn't make any sense!
If your bible taught the truth, I am sure we wouldn't be having this conversation-after reading some of the NWT bible I find your bible had agreed upon some truths "They shall call Him Emmanuel which means "With Us is God!

TATIME:
So Jesus won't further worry them than to continue with his good deeds which undeniably proves the backing of Jehovah's holy spirit. Today what Jehovah's Witnesses are saying is simple. Whoever wants to claim being a Christian should be able to direct honest hearted individuals to the source of spiritual insight and divine wisdom.

And where is JW wisdom when all they do is Judge everybody else?
It was the Watchtower that changed the Word of God, because the JW's believes Jesus is Michael the archangel, the Seven day Adventist changed the Word of God, they also believe Jesus is Michael the archangel, the Morons changed the Word of God, they believe Jesus is Michael the archangel, all 3 came out of one religion! What did Christ mean by this verse?
{Hebrews 1:13} But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
He means He Jesus is not a angel, and now you believe Jehovah now have a spirit, how does his spirit work as an act force?

TATIME:
Jesus said this when his opposers were attributing good deeds to Satan. Of course those critics had NOTHING to prove that arguing about the application of the scriptures.
So Jesus won't further worry them than to continue with his good deeds which undeniably proves the backing of Jehovah's holy spirit.
Today what Jehovah's Witnesses are saying is simple. Whoever wants to claim being a Christian should be able to direct honest hearted individuals to the source of spiritual insight and divine wisdom.
There are thousands of different religious groups with contradictory doctrines and conflicting teachings,so all these have turned Jesus' works of the first century into a laughing stock since none is standing out.
Jehovah's Witnesses are saying "Jesus is one Lord and today he is using ONLY our organization to do his work which is the preaching and teaching program that he commissioned back then"
Well,there shouldn't be a proclamation without vivid evidence. Throughout the earth today Jehovah's Witnesses are known for the zealous preaching and teaching program, we are known for no participation in politics, we are known for no participation in paramilitary services, we are known for oneness as a global family.
But the ONLY thing critics of this organization are saying is that Jehovah's Witnesses shouldn't stand out as the ONE and ONLY group practicing Christianity!
Most of their followers aren't aware of this fact, that's why they try to argue with Jehovah's Witnesses even when their religious bodies are not standing firm on what to teach members.
If you are saying someone is sinning against the holy spirit, then you need to present the works of the spirit in the organization that such a person is criticizing! Galatians 5:22,23
As for honest hearted individuals who aren't biased, we've notice that it's only envy that's making other religious groups hate Jehovah's Witnesses simply because they're standing out as different(Matthew 10:22,John 17:14) that's why we have CAREFULLY listened to them and joined their good works.
So instead of just arguing for no reasonable motive, why not present a better religious group that is PRODUCING the fruits(Galatians 5:22,23) or fine works(James 2:20-26) and allow honest hearted individuals to choose for themselves?
When we're talking about the WORKS of the spirit most people do attribute this to spectacular displays of supernatural events they are calling "miracles". But take note of what Apostle James (Jesus' half brother) said and those he mentioned, that these people never performed any signs they only do things that shows the FAITH in them!

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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 1:36am On Nov 15, 2018

Hopefully this may give you some thing to think about! Before getting yourself all worked up over nothing, it just takes a little of your time to study the scriptures!

Crysthaniel:
Bro Onej no mind them Jare.. it's not new the Pharisees even say Jesus is using Satans power to do things.. so what is the difference.

{Mark 3:28-30} Assuredly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they may utter; but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is subject to eternal condemnation”—because they said, “He has an unclean spirit.”
You must be aware-what you say and how you say it-comparing Satan's spirit with God's Spirit is actually pushing you deeper into the pit you are in with OneJ and the rest of your follow inmates...

Crysthaniel:
Bro Onej no mind them Jare.. it's not new the Pharisees even say Jesus is using Satans power to do things.. so what is the difference..we are finding those Rightly disposed you Know matt 12:24
But a time is coming when pples Will know that Jehovah indeed have a pple for his name in this world Acts 15:14 Ezekiel 38:23
But it was God active Force, Influencing the apostles

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 4:58am On Nov 14, 2018*

The Word of God is stronger and Mightier against the principalities and the demonic demons that always come out of the Watchtower trying to destroy the Almighty works of the Lord in all His Glory.."JW you are deafeningly lost in the meadows?
"The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel" {which means:"With Us is God "God with us"}
Now since you are having problems to understand your mental block, and you can't seem to accept God can pour out His Spirit unto His Sons and Daughters at the same time!
Then I suppose you don't accept the story of Mary nor Elisabeth both were filled in the Holy Spirit, before and after given birth to Jesus Christ our Lord and savour and John the Baptist!
{Acts 2:1-4} When the day of Pentecost came, they were all together in one place. Suddenly a sound like the blowing of a violent wind came from heaven and filled the whole house where they were sitting' 'They saw what seemed to be tongues of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them. {All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit enabled them}
Did you read that, all of them were filled in One Spirit, {Not different spirits} One Spirit-the Spirit didn't jump from one to another, all of them spoke in tongues together, "His disciples spoke in different languages that edified other people that heard them speak in their own languages about God!

OneJ:
This is how to identify mumu brains soaked up with junk gospel of mumu doctrine.
U dey lie say God pour himself inside sons & daughters, old men & young men, men servants & maid servants.
According to your mumu, these persons done become "spirit" wey enter them.
No wonder Pilate convicted your "God" & hanged "him" on a tree..
God pour himself inside U, yet mumu ,falsehood & arrogance full your body like virus.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 3:55am On Nov 14, 2018

I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.”

Crysthaniel:
what makes you think like this?

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 12:06pm On Nov 13, 2018

God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth. ”How can you accomplish such a task, when you know yourself you don't really exist with the living.
You are dead in your trespass and sins, where you have chosen to walk when you conformed to the ways of this world and of the ruler of the power of the air, the spirit who is now at work in the sons of disobedience.…
Before we surrender to the Holy Spirit’s urging, our spirits are dead to the things of God {Romans 8:8}
You are dead spiritually and have no way to make yourself alive, you are just as a corpse that cannot do anything to help yourself, so you cannot save yourselves or make a move to cleanse your sins, you cannot even produce the desire to obey God.

Crysthaniel:
of course Jehovah is not an active force.. this Will give us the proper view of John 4:24
He's a spirit person
Holy spirit is God's power in Action dats why Jehovah will 'pour' out his spirit or power to pples in d last days

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 11:36am On Nov 13, 2018

He is completely nuts, right, how does he see the rainbow as a python, other words he sees his father the devil sliding on it's belly, so the rainbow Crysthaniel see's, is his drug debilitation program, allowing his imagination go wild.
Nothing good comes out of the JW's, they call themselves JW's but even then, they show no fruit to exist.
Their literature comes out of a comic book, while Dr Do Little talks with the animals, superman saves the day..

johnw47:
brocab, i wouldn't waste any more time discussing crysthaniel's crazy beliefs if i were you:

https://www.nairaland.com/4781591/what-two-rainbows-same-time#71972959

https://www.nairaland.com/4781591/what-two-rainbows-same-time#72001292

it's just further proof of how God allows satan to blind those who hate the truth:

2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

of course it would be fitting that a person who believes a rainbow could be a python
would also believe the Saviour of the whole world is "a god"
and that there are two god's, a almighty god and a mighty god:

1Co_14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

^^^
notice all churches of the saints,
saints come from many of the churches,
not from the falsw jw church though of course

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 11:02pm On Nov 12, 2018

{Joel 2:28-29} “And it shall come to pass afterward,
That I will pour out My Spirit on all flesh;
Had you read, the Spirit is Gods Spirit!, So if the Spirit was a active force, then Jehovah is a active force..
Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
Your old men shall dream dreams,
Your young men shall see visions.
And also on My menservants and on My maidservants-I will pour out My Spirit in those days.
Again God said: He will pour out His Spirit-is God a active force!

Crysthaniel:
baptism ‘in the name of the holy spirit’ implies recognition of that spirit as having its source in God and as exercising its function according to the divine will.
Compare Joel 2:28-29

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 10:50pm On Nov 12, 2018

Confusion is getting to you, you never understood any of the above, because you haven't asked the Spirit to come to you to understand it, Why don't we pray and ask the Lord, if it is, His will to teach you?
You seem to think the Holy Spirit is a thing God uses anytime God needs Him, God is Spirit, the Holy Spirit is His own Spirit, the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit are One!

Crysthaniel:
About Creation read further in the Bible to get the meaning of Genesis 1:2 in Psalms 33:6 also Isaiah 40:26
Holy spirit is God's power in Action

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 10:44pm On Nov 12, 2018

Crysthaniel:
personification doesn't guarantee personality
Wisdom is also personified at Matthew 11:19 and Luke 7:35, where it is depicted as having both “works” and “children.” The apostle Paul personalized sin and death and also undeserved kindness as “kings.” (Ro 5:14, 17, 21; 6:12) He speaks of sin as “receiving an inducement,” ‘working out covetousness,’ ‘seducing,’ and ‘killing.’ (Ro 7:8-11) Yet it is obvious that Paul did not mean that sin was actually a person.So, likewise with John’s account

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 9:37pm On Nov 12, 2018*

Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:
{Matthew 15:8-9} ‘These people draw near to Me with their mouth, And honor Me with their lips, But their heart is far from Me.
{9}And in vain they worship Me,Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ”

Crysthaniel:
By referring to God’s spirit as his “hands,” “fingers,” or “breath,” the Bible shows that the holy spirit is not a person. (Exodus 15:8, 10) A craftsman’s hands cannot function independent of his mind and body; likewise, God’s holy spirit operates only as he directs it. (Luke 11:13) The Bible also compares God’s spirit to water and associates it with such things as faith and knowledge. These comparisons all point to the impersonal nature of the holy spirit.—Isaiah 44:3; Acts 6:5; 2 Corinthians 6:6.

{Luke 11:13} If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him!
I suppose you haven't asked the Lord to receive His Spirit?

Crysthaniel:
The Bible gives the names of Jehovah God and of his Son, Jesus Christ; yet, nowhere does it name the holy spirit. (Isaiah 42:8; Luke 1:31) When the Christian martyr Stephen was given a miraculous heavenly vision, he saw only two persons, not three. The Bible says: “He, being full of holy spirit, gazed into heaven and caught sight of God’s glory and of Jesus standing at God’s right hand.” (Acts 7:55) The holy spirit was God’s power in action, enabling Stephen to see the vision

{Acts 7:55} But he, being full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God.
Stephen was full of the Holy Spirit, to see such wonders! You don't see' because you don't believe, Stephen seen because he believed and he was filled in the Spirit-
So I suppose you haven't received the Holy Spirit-it's a deafened you don't have the Spirit to believe, Jesus made it clear to us, one must be born again before he can enter into the kingdom of God.
What does He mean one must be baptised of the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit-it means they are One, I suppose where envy and strife are, there is confusion and every evil work, "you are so confused 'because you didn't ask Jesus to come to you in the first place!
So just by your own circulations-it is obvious Jehovah is not Jesus, but two completely different beings working together, so giving your heart to Jehovah is all you need!
So of course the bible must be a misprint-the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit, are separated no matter what?

Crysthaniel:
The holy spirit is not a person
By referring to God’s spirit as his “hands,” “fingers,” or “breath,” the Bible shows that the holy spirit is not a person. (Exodus 15:8, 10) A craftsman’s hands cannot function independent of his mind and body; likewise, God’s holy spirit operates only as he directs it.

{Matthew 28:19} Teaches us to baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
This is a collective reference to one Triune God. Also, we are not to grieve the Holy Spirit {Ephesians 4:30}The Spirit can be sinned against {Isaiah 63:10} and lied to {Acts 5:3} We are to obey Him {Acts 10:19–21} and honor Him {Psalm 51:11}
The person hood of the Holy Spirit is also affirmed by His many works. He was personally involved in creation {Genesis 1:2}, empowers God’s people {Zechariah 4:6} guides {Romans 8:14} comforts {John 14:26} convicts {John 16:8} teaches {John 16:13} restrains sin {Isaiah 59:19} and gives commands {Acts 8:29}. Each of these works requires the involvement of a person rather than a mere force, thing, or idea.
In {Acts 5:3–4} Peter referred to the Holy Spirit as God, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit.
”Paul likewise referred to the Holy Spirit as God in {2 Corinthians 3:17–18} stating, “Now the Lord is the Spirit.
We die of lack of knowledge-It is obvious why it is important to be baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit,
JW-allow us to pray, I Crysthaniel ask you Lord into my heart, I believe Jesus Christ is Lord and He died for my sins, save me lord, help me and keep me hole, in Jesus name, I believe you are divine, just as the Word of God had prescribe you to be, Lord you are my savour-and Father in Jesus name "Amen!

Crysthaniel:
The holy spirit is God’s power in action, his active force. (Micah 3:8; Luke 1:35) God sends out his spirit by projecting his energy to any place to accomplish his will.—Psalm 104:30; 139:7.

In the Bible, the word “spirit” is translated from the Hebrew word ruʹach and the Greek word pneuʹma. Most often, those words refer to God’s active force, or holy spirit. (Genesis 1:2) However, the Bible also uses those words in other senses:

Breath.—Habakkuk 2:19; Revelation 13:15.

Wind.—Genesis 8:1; John 3:8.

The vital, or animating, force in living creatures.—Job 34:14, 15.

A person’s disposition or attitude.—Numbers 14:24.

Spirit persons, including God and the angels.—1 Kings 22:21; John 4:24.

These meanings all share the sense of something invisible to humans that produces visible effects. Similarly, the spirit of God, “like the wind, is invisible, immaterial and powerful.

The holy spirit is not a person

By referring to God’s spirit as his “hands,” “fingers,” or “breath,” the Bible shows that the holy spirit is not a person. (Exodus 15:8, 10) A craftsman’s hands cannot function independent of his mind and body; likewise, God’s holy spirit operates only as he directs it. (Luke 11:13) The Bible also compares God’s spirit to water and associates it with such things as faith and knowledge. These comparisons all point to the impersonal nature of the holy spirit.—Isaiah 44:3; Acts 6:5; 2 Corinthians 6:6.

The Bible gives the names of Jehovah God and of his Son, Jesus Christ; yet, nowhere does it name the holy spirit. (Isaiah 42:8; Luke 1:31) When the Christian martyr Stephen was given a miraculous heavenly vision, he saw only two persons, not three. The Bible says: “He, being full of holy spirit, gazed into heaven and caught sight of God’s glory and of Jesus standing at God’s right hand.” (Acts 7:55) The holy spirit was God’s power in action, enabling Stephen to see the vision

So Jesus Explelling demons in the Bible is that He's using Jehovah's power or spirit to perform this things -Luke 4:18-21
God sends out his spirit by projecting his energy to any place to accomplish his will.—Psalm 104:30; 139:7.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 3:12pm On Nov 12, 2018*

I am not expecting the JW's to understand anything concerning the scriptures: but lets just pray 'just maybe someone in the flock of Watchtower lunatics, could understand how a Spirit can enter into the living..
{Matthew 8:28-32}When He had come to the other side, to the country of the Gergesenes, there met Him two demon, possessed men, coming out of the tombs, exceedingly fierce, so that no one could pass that way.
{29} And suddenly they cried out, saying, “What have we to do with You, Jesus, You Son of God? Have You come here to torment us before the time?”
{30} Now a good way off from them there was a herd of many swine feeding.
{31} So the demons begged Him, saying, “If You cast us out, permit us to go away into the herd of swine.”
{32} And He said to them, “Go.” So when they had come out, they went into the herd of swine. And suddenly the whole herd of swine ran violently down the steep place into the sea, and perished in the water.
So the story say's Jesus sent the spirits into the herd of swine that ran into the sea-so the demonic spirits manage to control all the swine to run violently into the water? These demons controlled the swine to drown? "but you can't believe Jesus sent the Spirit of God to enter into more then one man at the same time, coming together in one accord to teach all truth about Christ in His Glory!
Another good example {Matthew 10:19-20} But when they deliver you up, do not worry about how or what you should speak. For it will be given to you in that hour what you should speak; {20} for it is not you who speak, but the Spirit of your Father who speaks in you.
These verses are as sure as it can get, if their is many of us, waiting trial, after the JW's have turned us over to the governor, the Spirit will speak in us in the last hour!

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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 9:31am On Nov 11, 2018*

In the new testament their are many references to the role of the Spirit in bringing in God's Word! And you don't know any of them!
For prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.
This is deafeningly different from your Watchtower prophesies, men without the Spirit turned a nation upside down giving false prophesies when the world is going to end, 1925 the JW's sold their homes and hid in the mountains, many committed suicide..
The Prophets were moved by the Spirit {2 Peter 1:21} Who revealed the coming of the Messiah to them,{1 Peter 1:11} The message of the Prophets were God breathed {2 Timothy 3:16}
In the same way the New Testament authors were guided by the Holy Spirit in their writings {1 Corinthians 2:10} we call this work of the Spirit inspiration.
The same Spirit helps those who read God's Word, This work of the Spirit is also called illumination {1 Corinthians 2:10, John 16:14}
But you don't study nor do you read the Word of God, if you did 'you wouldn't be having your argument against me, and besides I am not expecting you to know the truth about Christ-you lie and do not seek the truth-you worship after another god: your brother, sister, mother, father in the Watchtower are of their father the devil! {John 8:44}

OneJ:
@brocab "if the disciples were filled with the Holy spirit, then it must mean, they become one spirit".
Gospel junk and mumu falsehood !
Na where U read am for Bible?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 9:26am On Nov 11, 2018

I take this as a yes!

johnw47:
i'm not here to teach satans mob
but to show up some of your lies
i'm doing a tremendous job at that

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 9:17am On Nov 11, 2018*

I didn't really expect you to understand my message, I suppose someone with a mental state of mind like your's, will always show the hidden agenda's, who the JW's really are behind the Seine.
"Well I suppose it would be to much for me to ask-since you have all the answers, :Not at all" but at least try to explain, what Jesus meant when He said: I and the Father are One?
Well since you are having trouble finding any scriptures that sounds, then explain" the meaning to these verses below?
{John 17:22-23} I have given them the glory You gave Me, so that they may be one as We are one—I IN THEM, AND YOU IN ME— that they may be perfectly united, so that the world may know that You sent Me and have loved them just as You have loved Me.
Explain these verses, I IN THEM, AND YOU IN ME! what does this mean-God has revealed it to us by the Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. {1 Corinthians 2:10}
It is common sense to know, No flesh can enter into another man's flesh, I am sure the JW's have tried? The Holy Spirit entered into Mary, was in Elisabeth at the same time! This Proves God is everywhere at the same time!
Explain" why you refuse to believe God's Spirit was sent to the disciples, it was the Spirit of God that taught the gospel to the disciples, it was the same Spirit preforming miracles.
"Why did Jesus say: If you love me, keep my commands. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever—the Spirit of truth. and He go's on to say:The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, "for he lives with you and will be in you..{John 14:15-17
{The Watchtower sent in the big guns, another advocate to teach all knowledge concerning the watchtower!}
"You can't accept the Holy Spirit-because you believe the Spirit is an active force, in what way is He an active force?
One Punch can kill-one active force would be like one punch, or lighting hitting the ground at full force, so explain" Doctor Do Little, how did a active force react in the body of Mary and Elisabeth before giving birth 'and after?
I suppose you believe your Mama giving birth to you, you started the rumours about the big bang theory?

OneJ:
@ brocab:"It's simple, two spirits is flesh and God separated, Christ was never separated from the Father.. "
OMG, what a senseless falsehood !
"Two spirit is flesh and God separated"
Na where U read am for Bible?
All your posts na junk.
Shameless mumu LIAR.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 2:52am On Nov 10, 2018*

Crysthaniel:
what I noticed is that you guys May have not even associate with us or even approached us at all ..what you hear you speak without having the facts. John 7:24

Facts you want and association-yep we have them too!
The truth about the Watchtower!
I remember the day's when I was a youngster, we had JW's living next door with 3 Children, two boys and a girl she was a little older then her brothers-every time we had asked them to join us to play, their parents wouldn't allow them to play with other Children outside their denomination, they were told we weren't accepted because we didn't belong, {Cults don't fellowship with those outside their denominations-I suppose there is a big difference between JW's and Christians, Christians do fellowship without judgement} "I would hear the two boys crying out at night, they wanted to be normal boys, they wanted to be like other Children.
I also remember their daughter she was confused-she tried to escape from her imprisonment she must of felt, she would cry out-knowing she didn't have a voice, without a choice she'd escaped from her parents, it didn't matter how much she loved her family, the watchtower had her parents under lock and key.
The daughter was not more then 14 years 'she was forced to leave home to defend for herself-castrated from her family' just to be told there is no return, this is a heavy penalty to pay-for someone who is so pure and innocent in the eye's of the Lord.
I really can't understand how any parent would turn their own flesh and blood away because of ones disbelief-let alone watch your own flesh and blood die before you, because of some twisted view of the bible, the watchtower had laid upon you.
We all know the JW's are crooked sales reps, always selling broken promises-Joining the Watchtower is giving your blood signature to the devil!
Like I said: the Watchtower had the parents under lock and key-it is quite simple to understand the meaning to this! Jehovah witnesses loose everything when they die-your family won't receive any inheritance, everything you earned, everything you own belongs to the Watchtower, your Children receives nothing-your grand children, your only parent receives nothing, your homes, your lands, your bank accounts belongs to the Watchtower.."Everything"
So my answer to this question is, yes, I have spent time with the JW's..

Crysthaniel:
About Jesus resurrection read Colossians 1:18 1pet3:18 and 1corinthians 15:50
However, for 40 days after his resurrection Jesus appeared to his disciples on different occasions in various fleshly bodies, just as angels had appeared to men of ancient times. Like those angels, he had the power to construct and to disintegrate those fleshly bodies at will, for the purpose of proving visibly that he had been resurrected. (Mt 28:8-10, 16-20; Lu 24:13-32, 36-43; Joh 20:14-29; Ge 18:1, 2; 19:1; Jos 5:13-15; Jg 6:11, 12; 13:3, 13

about you saying that Jehovah's witnesses are Satans children but you seff think am read Isaiah 43:10-12
we bearing the name of the most high, how is it possible that we are now Satans children..I still don't understand why people Will think like this..
what I noticed is that you guys May have not even associate with us or even approached us at all ..what you hear you speak without having the facts. John 7:24

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 1:41am On Nov 10, 2018*

I am looking at your page-and it won't matter how much the Word of God is shown to you, your blindness just kicks in!
It's pretty simple-if you really wanted the truth' you would study the bible 'you would look it up, and find where in scripture it say's the Holy Spirit will teach you all things! {John 14:26}
But just like any other man-pleaser it's all about you, to busy showing off in front of your comrades, trying to persuade yourself JW's know more about God 'then the bible does.

OneJ:
"The word was with God" John 1:1b
"and the word was God"
"The word" is one spirit entity. God is another spirit entity,that is two spirit beings.
The two different spirit beings who were side by side (John 1:18) can not be a single spirit being (God).

It's simple-Two spirits is flesh 'and God separated, Christ was never separated from the Father! I and the Father are One..
If the disciples were filled with the Holy Spirit- then it must mean, they become one Spirit! They healed the sick, the deaf now hear, and the blind now see, and they raised the dead having the same Spirit, they caste out Demons having the same Spirit-they preach the gospel having the same Spirit! All had the same Spirit!
It is pretty simple to know someone filled with the Holy Spirit" they speak as they believe the same language the Holy Spirit teaches us the Word of God.
I understand it is complicated for you, I suppose it is, when your spirit is separated from the Father, His Spirit and your spirit are two different spirits.
So for anybody who wants to connect to the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit 'believing and accepting is a good place to start, the only way for someone to do such a tasks is ask the Lord into their lives.
I do realise you have asked Jehovah into your life, but you have also asked the Watchtower to baptise you under their denomination, you signed a blood agreement to serve and to obey the commandments of the watchtower.
Never asking Jesus to be your Lord and savour, means you never made a commitment to obey and serve Jesus at any cost!

OneJ:
Very correct rendition of John 1:1.

"In the beginning existed the word, and the word existed with the god ,and a god was the word"
Sahidic Coptic Bible,2nd century translation.

The KJV, NIV, AMP version of John 1:1 is fake ,twisted & misleading on various levels.

1). Grammatically fraudulent.
"The word was with God" John 1:1b
"and the word was God"
"The word" is one spirit entity. God is another spirit entity,that is two spirit beings.
The two different spirit beings who were side by side (John 1:18) can not be a single spirit being (God).

2) Spiritually fraudulent.
"To whom will you compare me?
Or who is my equal?" Says the Holy One, Yahweh." Isaiah 40:25.
In the spiritual realm Yahweh is Supreme, without any equal. No wonder, Christ called Him "the only true God (John 17:3).

3) No two humans are exactly alike in everything ,not even twins !
Each one is unique & different from the other.
The same holds true in the spiritual realm (based on (2) above,. Every spirit being is unique.

4) The personal testimony of Jesus Christ, & his followers(Matt 16:13-17.John 7:16. Acts 3:13. John 20:30,31. 1 cor11:3. 15:24-27. Rev 3:12,21). contradicts all the twists, forgeries and distortion perpetuated by peddlers of mumu false doctrine.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 9:21pm On Nov 08, 2018*

Geoffreymgk:
Stay away From this Jw church people
The Damage this Church Does is too Much. Way too muxh, family Damage, Emotional Damage, Etc

They may beor feel they are good but when you feel your Church is the Only one that has God's approval there are serious problems created. This People are very Imperfect nothing special even.
Any questions you may have i will answer them if chanced

Now do you understand-look what you had written above in red! There is no difference between a JW or a atheist, they both need God..
We need the positives, not the negatives! 'you need to realise we all need God, and you need to understand we don't go to the JW's, the JW's come to us.
New baby Christians are born everyday, why? God sends His army of mature Christians around their lives..
So if you are feeling mature then join us, your input, and our input could make a difference...

Geoffreymgk:
I don't understand what you are saying

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 4:28am On Nov 08, 2018*

The truth about the Watchtower!
I remember the day's when I was a youngster, we had JW's living next door with 3 Children, two boys and a girl she was a little older then her brothers-every time we had asked them to join us and play, their parents wouldn't allow them to play with other Children outside their denomination, I would hear the two boys crying out at night, they wanted to be normal boys, they wanted to be like other Children.
Children will be Children-I remember the day's when I had heard their cries, not being religious I would retaliate, I would buy fire crackers, and sky rockets, and set them off straight up the isle of kingdom hall, I would aim the sky rockets, straight through the middle of the isle, and watch everybody duck while sparks go in all directions" laughing so much I couldn't run away!
The JW's next door were in a Prison system' because of Watchtower rules and regulations.
I also remember their only daughter needed to escape from this coltish imprisonment, she would cry out-knowing she didn't have a voice, without a choice she'd escaped from her parents, it didn't matter how much she loved her family, the watchtower had her parents under lock and key.
The daughter was still young and she was forced to leave, to defend for herself she was castrated from her family' with no return, this is a heavy penalty to pay-for someone who is so pure and innocent in the eye's of the Lord.
I really can't understand how any parent would turn their own flesh and blood away because of disbelief-let alone watch your own flesh and blood die before you, because you are told you couldn't give to someone so dearly to you, the things that is needed to save their lives.
I wouldn't want to be with a god' that same god that hates his people like your Watchtower god does. {John 8:44}
I have met so many broken families who have lost their Children, husbands and wife's, they were castrated from their families for eternity, If anybody is about to join, be aware-and prepare yourselves to live your lives destroying each other, casting your love ones out, watching them die is a murderess enactment..
Does anybody know Jesus Christ 'He sets us free! He is a loving God-He prefers to keep us together, not separate us..
JW's are crooked sales person, selling broken promises-Joining the Watchtower is giving your blood signature to the devil!
You made a contract, this means, you loose everything, when you die-your family won't receive your inheritance, everything you earned, everything you own belongs to the Watchtower, your Children receives nothing-your grand children your parent receives nothing, your homes, your lands, your bank accounts belongs to the Watchtower.."Everything"

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 3:45am On Nov 08, 2018

The phrase "the Word" (a translation of the Greek word "Logos" wink

is widely interpreted as referring to Jesus, you can try to pick and choose, but the truth is "Jesus!

OneJ:
The rendition U pasted above is not strictly accurate.
To start with: the Greek words were lower case. In English "God" is different from "god"

Source :John 1:1 Wikipedia
The Greek to English word for word transliteration of John 1:1 reads:
"in beginning was the word,
and the word was with (toward, facing) the god
and god was the word"

In 13 different Bibles, John 1:1c reads:
" and a god was the word" "(or was divine)."
These Bibles with the accurate rendition of John 1:1, (including the 2nd century Sahidic Coptic Bible were not published by JWs. )

U no even know say before your cherished & forged KJV came out in the 16th century, the Sahidic Coptic Bible's authentic rendition of John 1:1 had already been widely known. Lol

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 2:36am On Nov 08, 2018*

{Romans 10:13-14} How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach unless they are sent? As it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the gospel of peace, Who bring glad tidings of good things!”
I am not the only person that have had these experiences 'you come in sheep's clothing, claiming to bring Christ, but your heart is far from Christ 'you never preach Christ, Jehovah's name is always preached alone!
"Romans above is focused on the Word of God-you don't bring the Word of God to me, because you don't know the Word of God, you come into my home bringing with you 'Watchtower's literature, a cartoon magazine, and a closed bible-you sit-you don't drink water, not coffee, nor tea, not even a lemonade from anybody outside your denomination.
'And yet you sit in my home expecting me to be persuaded by your good works, while you refuse my hospitality, nor will you accept any bible verses from another without raising your voices, demanding silents, while you preach your Watchtower literature from across the table-I have watch the JW's time and time again pushing their fingers down hard against their bibles, from one verse to another-arguing in my home trying to push their literature into my soul: this is the Love of Jehovah, you had always brought into my home..
I remember back in the day's-while growing up, I had JW's living next door to me-their parents would separate their Children away from those outside their denomination, I would hear their Children crying out-they were begging their parents to play with other Children!
But because of the Watchtower rules and regulations they kept their Children in a prison type lifestyle, I remember they had a daughter, she was caste out from among them, the Watchtower forced the parents to reject their own flesh and blood, she was castrated from the only family she had.
This is a sure way how to recognise between cults and God!
The Lord say's the truth sets us free, but anybody wanting to join the Watchtower 'Cults are prisons, and indeed you are not free....
I have JW's come to my door-time and time again, I am usually black listed, I remember along time ago, a JW came to my door, after a sort conversation, the JW asked if he could come back again this time with elders, I agreed upon a certain date, Just in genial people would tell me the in's and out's about the Watchtower, nothing good was ever said: about them, I thought this will be a good challenge, I ended up speaking with two X JW's I knew, to join with me in this arranged conversation with the JW's.
The JW brought three other elders, "4" we had 2 X JW's who knew the in's and out's about the Watchtower literature, also they were equip in the Word of God, from across the table verses were flying in all directions, bibles of the NWT and the KJ's, were the main attractions, after sometime we came to a stop-the point is, no one was beaten, because the Word of God can't be beaten, everybody in my home that day agreed that the Word of God is all truth and nothing but the truth.
The elders came to that acceptance, and they left quietly and peacefully, because we all agreed the bible is God's Word-and everything in the bible is focused on the true God "Jesus Christ!
It's your choice to make it right, I wouldn't like to miss the only opportunity I have, just for someone else's sake..

TATIME:
Instead of humbly asking those who can help you to know where you're heading, you're stubbornly arguing blindly against the truth. You can't choose one out of all those numerous religious groups with contradicting doctrines and conflicting teachings. Why? Because you believe that your god is mystery!
But honesthearted individuals,humbly studying the Bible with JWs are already aware that the true God is not mysterious otherwise how can you say you want to teach someone else about a mystery.
Well for your information, the mysterious god has been made known by Jesus in the Bible book of Revelations and Jesus clearly said to His own people "run away from mystery" Revelations 17:5,18:4
Jehovah's Witnesses are zealously preaching and teaching people about a God whose ways are clear to all those who are willing to humble themselves, that's why we are boldly and confidently knocking on people's doors. Romans 10:13-15

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 10:57pm On Nov 07, 2018

Deafeningly brain dead! If we were to think as a Child, we will stay as a Child..Don't you get it "man?

OneJ:
John 1:1b has definite article too ("the Word was with the God".

KJ Bible: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. And still the Word is God..
AMP bible: In the beginning [before all time] was the Word (Christ), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God Himself.

OneJ:
Wetin do your brain?
Jesus Christ the saviour said "I am God's son". Christ confessed that Yahweh called His sons "gods". Therefore, Christ Jesus is a god. John 10:34-36. Ps 82:6. Acts 3:13.

Let me break down again:
The Lion is the Father of a Lion (the son).
Likewise, the God (Yahweh) is the Father of a god (the Word).
John 1:1a has definite article (the Word).
John 1:1b has definite article too ("the Word was with the God".
John 1:1c has NO definite article but ( "and.." )
Brief recess. Will be back.... soon)

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 10:37pm On Nov 07, 2018*

If we were to stay away-then who will preach the Gospel-Jesus said: go out unto the nations and preach His Word, Artiest dressed up in JW's clothing are still people that need God..
We all know as Christians the world is full of demonic activity, and those that love the world more then Christ don't belong to God, 'we come up against principalities everyday, we step out to be rejected, why? "Because we believe, "our own brothers and sisters in Christ turn against us.
Jesus warn's us, "son's against parents, friends and family against each other-these will hand you over to the Judge to be slaughtered. "Jesus said: those who love the world more then He, is not worthy to be His disciple, are you with us spreading the gospel-all you are against us?

Geoffreymgk:
Stay away From this Jw church people
The Damage this Church Does is too Much. Way too muxh, family Damage, Emotional Damage, Etc

They may beor feel they are good but when you feel your Church is the Only one that has God's approval there are serious problems created. This People are very Imperfect nothing special even.
Any questions you may have i will answer them if chanced

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