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Christianity EtcRe: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 11:18pm On Jan 02, 2018
Well then lets talk reason, if you were to use scripture more often, than we could have a great conversation, but because you have left the best part out of this page-then you can't expect me to understand what you call scripture?
You claim you know the scriptures, but you haven't produce them, to say you 'know them?
cyrilamx:
The Church Fathers searching through the sacred scripture tells us that the passing of a Christian out of this world isn't a close chapter of lack of communication. If there is a worship of God here on earth why do you think there is no longer worship in heaven huh where by we ask the saints-friends of God in heaven to pray for us, just the way you even deem it fit to ask ur pastor/prayer warrior to pray for you.
If you were to read {Revelation 19, Mark 12:27} People in heaven praising God, and are you mistaken, God is not the God of the dead, but of the living..
Have you not read {1 Corinthians 12:1} Now concerning[a] spiritual gifts,[b] brothers,[c] I do not want you to be uninformed. You know that when you were pagans you were led astray to mute idols, however you were led. Therefore I want you to understand that no one speaking in the Spirit of God ever says “Jesus is accursed!” and no one can say “Jesus is Lord” except in the Holy Spirit.
Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit; and there are the Catholic's that state their belief in the Communion of Saints, what we are saying is that we believe that the catholic church is made up of a spiritual communion or fellowship of Christians, including those who are alive (sometimes referred to as “the church militant,”
{1 Corinthians 12:1) and those who have died (sometimes referred to as “the church triumphant.”
{Heb. 12:1) Those who have died in Christ are now with Christ ,whereas those who are alive in Christ on earth worship Christ by faith. What unites us is that both are in Christ and are part of His Church. This does not give us warrant to pray for those already with Christ..
Instead we pray directly to the Father through Christ-Have you not read {1 Timothy 2:5} For there is one God, and their is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus..
cyrilamx:
Mr man, it seems you don't even understand the Scriptures and worst still u have no iota of theology - christology and what it means when the Church is described as the mystical body of Christ Jesus. First Christ is the one mediator but the mediatorship of Christ Jesus doesn't negate the mediation of friends of God like the saints. When we ask prayer for one another, what does that tell you? Is it not part of the mediatorship we belong? The Church Fathers searching through the sacred scripture tells us that the passing of a Christian out of this world isn't a close chapter of lack of communication. If there is a worship of God here on earth why do you think there is no longer worship in heaven where by we ask the saints-friends of God in heaven to pray for us, just the way you even deem it fit to ask ur pastor/prayer warrior to pray for you. What do u call that? It baffles me how pentecostal are too quick to quote scripture they even know little about its canonicity but understands nothing about its theology. Mary by virtues of conceiving Christ- the new Covenant in her womb is the greatest of God's creature...
If Christ her son is King of Kings, what does that make Mary, certainly Queen of heaven. If Christ is God, what does that make Mary, the THEOTOKOS. Yes cos she did not just gave birth to the human Jesus for that will be heresy - a kind of duplicating the personality of Christ -- the heresy of arianism..docetism...but the eternal world, God the son at the appointed time became incarnate of the virgin Mary from whom He took flesh. So Mary just as she interceded for the couple at the wedding at cana can pray for us as Queen of heaven, mother of God the son, which in no way conflict with the one mediatorship of Christ our Lord.
Christianity EtcRe: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 10:14pm On Jan 02, 2018
Thanks brother, it has been awhile bro, good to have you back-stick around a man of God is always needed, and bro you are needed..
solite3:
how are you doing brocab, its been a while.
Bro you have said the truth. Thumbs up
Christianity EtcRe: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 10:02pm On Jan 02, 2018
I am also married to a Catholic-and she gave her life over to Christ, she became a born again Christian-she found her first love in Christ, as it seemed, for a while she was doing all the rights' but deep within she was more focus on the wrongs, she would listen more on the gossips, and involve herself in church with all the busybodies, judging others, that led her back to her own judgement in the Catholic Church.
One would think-I suppose one like you, high and mighty, a good and trusted overly religious man? Wouldn't react as bad mouth, as you have done now? why the above offended you when my story had nothing to do with you. These are the gossips I am referring to, just like you, people who haven't the slightest idea what this story is about.
Busybodies gossips, who have taken my wife's away leaving me dry-to sit alone while worshipping the Lord..
And if you knew the bible and knew the Spirit of the Lord, which you don't, just by your actions-bad mouthing me below, you would have at least forgiven me, and prayed for me. with these actions, you have asked Mary and the saints to crucify me, because I said the above.
tonytony208:
So, your muddledup mind told you she was gossiping because she is a Catholic? Why is nairaland so full of idiots like this self? So Pentecostals don't gossip, lie or do bad things?!

If I may split your brain open to pour some sense into you, you need to know many of your Pentecostal sisters are constant at hospitals for abortion and all manners of evil.

Learn to use your head correctly, boy. Maybe you are married, but you sound so mentally, spiritually and psychologically immature.
Christianity EtcRe: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 9:04pm On Jan 02, 2018
I agree..
tonytony208:
And it is not limited to a particular church. It is in virtually every church
Christianity EtcRe: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 8:46pm On Jan 02, 2018
I am not your enemy-but I will answer your page, because, as soon as the name "Catholic is mentioned, automatically you take offence, hatred isn't on the mind of the believers in Christ. Because I disagree' you call it hatred. I do not disagree that all Catholic's are non believers, but I disagree with those who think they have all the answers, if you were spirituality as well as you believe you are-you wouldn't allow yourselves to chase other doctrines in the flesh-the Church wouldn't allow statues to be placed for people to bow down too, when the Word of God disagree's with idol worshippers.
{Sample's below}
Thou shalt have no other gods before me
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image
Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy
Honour thy father and thy mother
Thou shalt not kill
Thou shalt not commit adultery
Thou shalt not steal
Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour
Thou shalt not covet
{The above is the bible}
{Now the-Latin Catholic listings are removed and added.}
Thou shalt not have other gods besides Me
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Thou shalt not take the Name of the Lord thy God in vain
Remember to keep holy the Lord’s day
Honor thy father and thy mother
Thou shalt not murder
Thou shalt not commit adultery
Thou shalt not steal
Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s wife-{Added}
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s goods-{Added}
{If you believe you know the Word of God more then others, then wouldn't you agree, you would follow the Word of God-more then others. But instead you don't, you would rather disagree with the above, for instants the Catholic's pray to Mary and the saints to guide them to seek the Kingdom of Heaven, but in Scripture all prayer should be directed to our triune God—Father, Son, and Holy Spirit}
The Bible teaches that we can pray to one or all three, because all three are one. To the Father we pray with the psalmist, “Listen to my cry for help, my King and my God, for to you I pray” (Psalm 5:2)
"Jesus had given us the ability to pray straight into the throne room of God direct.
{Matthew 7:21-23} Not everyone that say's to Me, Lord Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of Heaven, but he who does the will of my Father in Heaven, Many will say to Me, in that day, {When I judge them} Lord Lord have we not prophesied in your name, caste out demons in your name, and done many wonders in your name, and I will declare to them publicly, I never knew you depart from Me, {You are banish from My presence} you who act wickedly {Disregarding My commands}
cyrilamx:
Oga there is no Catholic teaching th states that once you ar baptised as adult or infant, u already saved. What the Church teaches is to continue struggle for one's salvation in cooperation with the abundant grace of Christ. That why we have the sacrament of Reconciliation or Penance...a spiritual fountain of Forgiveness we can each draw from whenever we fall/fail as a Christian. In catholicism there is so much misconception. There are not more than hundred people that hate the Catholic Church for what she is, but there are millions of people who hate the Catholic Church for what they think she is. The bigotry against the Catholic Church is real, hence I always tell fellow Catholic as well as our separated brethren to limit their love search to their particular denominations because such crisis of faith must surely rear it's ugly head up in any inter-denominational courtship. While there can be no real issue between pentecostal denominations, the issue is real between Catholic /pentecostal lovers. One can never sacrifice one's faith on the alter of love. Regarding the king James Bible, these re translations that fall short of the 72 books u find in Catholic translation which were the first indeed.
Christianity EtcRe: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 7:32pm On Jan 02, 2018
I don't disbelieve many Catholic's have found Christ-but there are those that call themselves Christians 'and are not..I am sure you know which direction the Church is heading.
tonytony208:
So, they told you that those who attend Catholics haven't find the truth in Christ? If you are not careful, this your spiritual blindness and arrogance will earn you a chief place in hell fire
Christianity EtcRe: Pentecostal Getting Married To A Catholic by brocab: 7:07pm On Jan 02, 2018
I have all the rights to give her advise, she's my wife-Jesus said: I am head of the wife and Christ is head over me..
miketayo:
I don't think u r in a position to be giving her advice, you are bias and u clearly know nothing about the Catholic church,
CelebritiesRe: You No Need Your Pastor's Blessings To Succeed In 2018- Charly Boy by brocab:
You served a God you don't even know, for 2 years, and you are asking me, why you should become a Christian? Don't you get it, You served God who is in Spirit-we serve people in all different ways, but what doesn't make any sense-you served for 2 years, and in that time-you still didn't know Him, what were you doing in all that time? Weren't you studying your bible, who were you listening too, if not God? "And you are asking me to give answers-I can't give you the answer-only you will know the answer, you served God-you didn't serve me.
Maybe you should be asking yourself this question why did I jean1128 serve God-if truly I didn't believe God existed? I suppose God may ask you the same question, why did you jean1128 serve Me, if you didn't believe in Me?
{It doesn't put you in a good place at the moment-matter of fact-the atheist would laugh at this, if you had worked in a shop dealing with customers, it is understanding to serve someone you don't know, but going to Church for 2 year's and serving a god you didn't know, and why you serve Him-doesn't make any sense}
I Pray God we lead the right people to you..
jean1128:
very typical of Christians instead of addressing the simple questions,they find their way to meander from it,I think I have had enough of this conversation,its been great speaking with u, don't bother quoting me again because I won't reply
CelebritiesRe: You No Need Your Pastor's Blessings To Succeed In 2018- Charly Boy by brocab:
In America the larges Churches built are run by non Christian organisations, Kenneth Copeland preachers God is a failer, because God lost His rights on earth, Gloria Copeland said Ken can control the weather?
If this is the case than the Copelands should be arrested for allowing the weather to kill all those innocent people.
Joel and Victoria Osteen, have the larges Churches on earth and they haven't a clue who God is!
Don Piper wrote a book of "90 minutes in Heaven" but he can't remember the book he wrote-verbally he seen the glory of God, but written in the book he didn't see the glory of God-page 33.
Ron Parsley, Joseph prince, Joyce Meyer, Mick Murdock, John Hagee, teaches Money is the seed, and sowing the seed, will allow you to receive more money.
Jesus say's sow seed into the kingdom of God, the seed is the Word of God {Mark 4:26, Luke 8:11}
Benny Hinn-and Todd white, claim to be healers.
Benny and Todd should be arrested because the hospitals are full of dying and sick people.
Jessie Duplantis claims God had asked Jessie for his opinion?
Why would God ask Jessie, when God created everything before Jessie existed.
Larry Huch and Paula White, claims Jesus is not the only begotten Son of God?
Have they read {John 3:16}
Creflo Dollar preaches we are little god's? The little god doctrine was preached by Satan, he said: in the garden-eat this, and you will be like God. Satan sits as God {Genesis 3:5, 2 Thessalonians 2:4}
Rick Warren, even Pope Francis believes Jesus isn't the only way into Heaven.
So it doesn't matter which way we turn-preachers are coming in like wolves seeking whom they may devour, in every religion, the deceivers are at work deceiving the innocent, "slowly but surely these preachers are being exposed, whom do we trust, and their aim is to preach the Word to their advantage to retrieve money.
And Jesus say's> {1 Timothy 6-3-5} Men of corrupt minds, destitute of the truth, who suppose the godliness is a mean to financial gain.
I prayed and asked the Lord is tithing biblical, He gave me, {Matthew 6} Look at the birds of the air, they neither sow, nor do they reap, nor do they put into barns, but yet the Lord feeds them, how much more are you.
I than repented for paying tithes of money to the Church, as I was taught by the Church to do so, and it's iunbiblical.
God say's we can't worship Mammon and God at the same time-but the Church now preaches you can worship Mammon and God at the same time..
CelebritiesRe: You No Need Your Pastor's Blessings To Succeed In 2018- Charly Boy by brocab:
RayOB1:
Then people like him too who have no real understanding of God will start to abuse pastors in his church again...
And the cycle just keeps continuing....
Please speak with a true pastor about ur doubts for counseling, if not just leave church already abeg.... too much rubbish in the church (from religious people who are not true christians) already!
I like what you have said: Pastors being abused and the cycle just keeps on continuing....
Well it is true the cycle of Pastors are more into the spotlight then ever before, and more Christians are starting to see what does a wove in sheep clothing look like, the nets flooded with prosperity pimps wearing their hidden agenda's behind the scene.
Before it was word of mouth-that brought about the pastors of certain things, how can anybody trust any Pastor to counsel, when they are not trained to do so, and all we see is corruption throughout the Church-trouble starts from the top-if our parents were in a violent relationship, what sort of life do you expect for the children? Christians need to seek after the kingdom of God-before it's to late that the Church is milked dry naturally and spirituality.
Most of these Pastors are straight out of prison, car salesmen-a criminal is all about Money, and the Church has plenty, and what better way, to break the law without getting caught, and it's all behind the scenes, what's in Vegas, stays in Vegas.
RayOB1:
Therein lies the problem....
In another 10 years now, someone will go and make dis one a pastor if he stays that long in a church...
Then he'll start prophesying falsely as anointing level na minus zero.....
And using members' tithe to buy anyhow stuff...
Then people like him too who have no real understanding of God will start to abuse pastors in his church again...
And the cycle just keeps continuing....

Please speak with a true pastor about ur doubts for counseling, if not just leave church already abeg.... too much rubbish in the church (from religious people who are not true christians) already!
CelebritiesRe: You No Need Your Pastor's Blessings To Succeed In 2018- Charly Boy by brocab: 5:19pm On Dec 30, 2017
No-one is asking you to be a Christian, you had already made that decision for 2 years, as its written.
Maybe this is what you need to do is become a Muslim or Buddhists or Hindu or taoist or sikhist or Mormon, before you find any truth in the God you served for two years..
By the looks of this you are not an atheist, atheist don't search to become anybody. And I don't see you-as a rebellious, bogus,disillusioned, demon possessed reprobate-I see someone hurt from a Church and confused.
Your question actually belongs to you, WHY SHOULD I BE A CHRISTIAN ? Ask yourself-why did you serve a God, you don't know for 2 years, if you haven't the slightest idea-whom He is huh
Think about that?
jean1128:
u didn't get you as my question, u are a christian while am not,I have maximum regard and respect for u and am not trying to convert u or make rubbish of ur faith but its not the same with u,u see me as a rebellious, bogus,disillusioned, demon possessed reprobate,fine.
Then I ask u a simple question WHY SHOULD I BE A CHRISTIAN ?, I didn't say "how". All u have to do is give me REASON(S),I will look at it OBJECTIVELY and if u are right I will concede to u and become a christian if not I will show u my objections,now forget about the previous posts and answer the question as simple as possible

WHY SHOULD I BE A CHRISTIAN ? and not a Muslim or Buddhists or Hindu or taoist or sikhist or Mormon(who claim to be christians though)or traditionalist or atheist or agnostic.......
CelebritiesRe: You No Need Your Pastor's Blessings To Succeed In 2018- Charly Boy by brocab:
jean1128:
Let me make this clear before I carry on I left the christian faith over 2 years ago and now am an atheist so is not like am confused or looking for how to get back to christianity,but in line with what u just said, when I was a christian I was very committed to "God" I felt like I had a relationship with him as time went on I wanted it grow I wanted to experience "him or her" in an extraordinary way, I put all my efforts to serving him but to what end ?
You didn't know the Lord to even have a relationship with Him, you put all your efforts in serving Him, not by faith, but by works, Jesus said: {John 10:14} I am the good shepherd, I know My sheep, and My sheep know Me.
{John 10:27} My sheep listen to My voice, I know them, and they follow Me.
You may believe you were saved, but you don't know Him, if you knew Him, you wouldn't turn your heart away from Him.
jean1128:
Let me make this clear before I carry on I left the christian faith over 2 years ago and now am an atheist so is not like am confused or looking for how to get back to christianity,but in line with what u just said, when I was a christian I was very committed to "God" I felt like I had a relationship with him as time went on I wanted it grow I wanted to experience "him or her" in an extraordinary way, I put all my efforts to serving him but to what end ? my life was as ordinary as it could be,is not like I sought for miracles but you can not tell me that someone would be serving a god that is supposedly omnipotent and his/her life would just be as ordinary as everyother persons life,there is nothing special about christians when they ate sick they go to the hospital just like everyone,when their car is broken they go to the mechanic,when workers are laid off but christians and non christians are laid off there is no special advantage anyone gets because of religion and ever since I quit Christianity I started living my life more meaningfully I was not struck by thunder as I had feared,I have had good experiences and bad ones as well but in summary my life has been more fruitful and worth living,now am not going to believe just anything because it is what everyone believes if a "God" exists and wants me to recognize and have something to do with him or her I don't even know what gender to use,he her or itit whichever one it is would clearly reveal him or herself to me,but for me to believe and serve the white mans god whom I have never seen or had an experince of no chance,by the way I don't need to believe or acknowledge any god to live a fairly successful life,a lot of great men who lived and the ones who are alive today achieved great ness even without having anything to do with god or religion
CelebritiesRe: You No Need Your Pastor's Blessings To Succeed In 2018- Charly Boy by brocab:
jean1128:
WHY SHOULD I BELIEVE IN THE CHRISTIAN GOD ?
Strange as this sounds, and it was you, that seeks after the Church to heal you, and when the Church couldn't do it, you turn your heart against God?
jean1128:
brocab I see u are ready for an argument all right I do not agree with u on the human sacrifice stuff but I won't post a reply on that,now before I ask you anoda question I wish to inform u that am not trying to convince anyone to become like me am only defending my self to the next question


WHY SHOULD I BELIEVE IN THE CHRISTIAN GOD ?
CelebritiesRe: You No Need Your Pastor's Blessings To Succeed In 2018- Charly Boy by brocab:
I have the freedom to post everything that is right in the eye's of the Lord, and I found the story on Jephthan as you had asked, you asked me a question and I found an answer, now you are winching, because I posted something so well said, that you didn't agree with, maybe its you looking for the argument, because you live the lie, rather then hearing the truth..
You may be able to fool those who are listening to you, but truly you wouldn't be here on this page, searching, you have shared the deepest stories about yourself, and how hard you felt ripped off by some Pastor who told you to lay your own hands on yourself that didn't heal you, He didn't heal you-because he couldn't.
You claim to leave God-you never knew Him to leave God, if you had knowing Him, you wouldn't have left Him.
Your argument is not with God, its with the believers, because the Church disappointed you, you didn't receive the things you expected to receive, because you were looking for the natural instead of the spiritual, you were listening to the people, instead of listening to the Lord.
The truth is you wanted answers but no-one could answer them for you, to be honest you haven't retrieved the answers because you aren't ready for them-instead you built a wall around you, and anybody that steps over your boundaries, you try and shoot them down, with great pride.
You are here for a reason-and that reason is you want answers-God uses people who are willing to step out-and He can use you if you are willing, we take the risked and we take on the abuse, we put up with the anger, in the name of Jesus, we travel from the 4 corners of the earth, to help seek people like you, in Jesus name.
I wasn't in that Church of yours, nor do I know that Church, but if you are looking for answers, feel free to ask them, but always remember God is using people all over the world, sharing the Word of God to people like you..
jean1128:
one advice to u brocab,don't just copy anything u like and post read it through and make your own point don't quote bible authors and theologians or u will just be creating ur prpblem,comment based on ur understanding of the bible,this is especially in regard s to the human sacrifice issue
CelebritiesRe: You No Need Your Pastor's Blessings To Succeed In 2018- Charly Boy by brocab:
Always glad to help..
RayOB1:
@brocab

Nice expositories... really enjoying the read on some fresh perspectives into those scriptural anecdotes from the perspective of Judaic customs
CelebritiesRe: You No Need Your Pastor's Blessings To Succeed In 2018- Charly Boy by brocab: 11:06pm On Dec 28, 2017
Plus-While the Levitical law forbade human sacrifices, the time of the Judges was a period when “every man did that which was right in the sight of his own eyes,” and consequently it was a period of ignorance and barbarity when the sacrifice of human life was common. They were the times of appalling ignorance which “God winked at.”
Certainly we deplore Jephthah’s rash vow and terrible mistake in making such a useless sacrifice, but he fulfilled his vow; he did not set aside his daughter to perpetual virginity such as a girl does when she enters a convent to become “a bride of Christ.” He did not dedicate her thus, and then offer a burnt offering of an animal to seal his pledge.
The heroic virgin became the burnt offering, and the giving of her life transfigured the wicked vow of her father. Her sacrificial love turned the blackest deed in Israel’s early history into a theme for “the songs of the daughters of Israel.”
Ancient writers wove into history, drama and poetry the tragic theme of such propitiatory sacrifice. Virginian submitted to be stabbed to the heart by her father, Virginius, rather than fall into the hands of the enemies of her country.
The Spartan mothers told their sons to come back victors or be borne back dead on their shields. The sacrifice of Jephthah’s daughter was a perfect one because it was actuated by a twofold love—love for her father and love for her country. Mackintosh Mackay reminds us that this is the view Tennyson takes of her in his beautiful picture of her in the Dream of Fair Women—
In this splendid pageant of the illustrious women of history, the most lovely picture of all is this humble Jewish girl. Upon her breast the poet still sees the mark of the spear-wound; upon her face the gaze of tragic sorrow. Yet, when he would commiserate her, she refuses the proffered pity:
Her Remembrance
Is it any wonder that the daughters of Israel remembered and honored the sacrifice of Jephthah’s daughter with a four days' festival during each year? Although this was probably a local custom only, it was a gracious gesture not to “lament” her, but “to praise” or “celebrate,” as the word can imply.

The feelings of those Jewish maidens toward their departed companion were akin to those of the Romans toward Claelia, the virgin martyr of a.d. 280, and of other national heroines whose self-sacrifice helped their nations to victory. Byron expressed this sentiment in his lines—
CelebritiesRe: You No Need Your Pastor's Blessings To Succeed In 2018- Charly Boy by brocab: 10:57pm On Dec 28, 2017
Then write down your complaints about Christianity, and we will see who you are really angry at..
The great question is, What did Jephthah actually do to his daughter on her return? The fulfillment of his vow could only mean one thing, namely, the offering up of his precious child as a burnt offering (Judges 11:31)
But Bible scholars disagree over what is precisely meant by this “burnt offering.” According to one interpretation the vow of Jephthah consisted of two parts—
1. What person soever met him should be the Lord’s, or dedicated to His service forever.
2. What beast soever met him should be offered as a burnt offering, like the Tabernacle lambs, upon an altar.
Based upon this view, it is affirmed that Jephthah kept his daughter in sacred celibacy for the rest of her life; that what she and her female companions bewailed was not the prospect of coming sacrifice but her virginity. “She knew no man.” So the phrase “he did with her according to his vow” is made to signify the exclusion of his daughter as a kind of Old Testament nun, surrendered to live a secluded life in the service of the Tabernacle &--;a vestal virgin. Thus the shuddering thought of a terrible human sacrifice is softened down in this way—
It was not a human sacrifice in the gross sense of the word, not a slaughter of an unwilling victim, but the offering of a devoted heart, to free, as she supposed, her father and her country from a terrible obligation.... The heroism of the father and daughter are to be admired and loved in the midst of the fierce superstition round which it plays like a sunbeam on a stormy sea.
That Jephthah could not have sacrificed his daughter as an actual burnt offering is argued against in this way—
1. The sacrifice of children to Moloch was an abomination prohibited by an express law, and not an instance occurred of a human sacrifice to God.
2. The case of Abraham offering Isaac is not in point, as Isaac was not sacrificed. The command was given only to try Abraham’s faith.
3. No father could put even a criminal child to death without the consent of the magistrates.
4. The traditional laws of the Jews say: “If a Jew should devote his son or his daughter, his man servant or maid servant who are Hebrews, the devotement should be void.”
But in spite of the reasons advanced against a human sacrifice, the Scripture is heavily on the side of Jephthah’s vow being fulfilled as it was made. Martin Luther wrote, “Some affirm that he did not sacrifice her; but the text is clear enough.” The ancient Jews who had an intimate knowledge of the customs of their race and a unique meaning of their own language, have always understood that the daughter of Jephthah was a literal burnt offering. The Targum of Jonathan has the explanation—
It was a custom in Israel in order that no one should make his son or his daughter a burnt-offering, as Jephthah did, and did not consult Phinehas the priest. Had he done so, he would have redeemed her with money.
jean1128:
my guy no vex buh I think u misunderstand something here,am not some confused skeptic looking for answers to my religious issues,I only posted those stories in response to d guy talking abt "spiritual experience" or whatever notice that each time I mentioned the word "God" it was in quotes . If I were to talk of the problems I have with christianity, I would have to write a book and top of the list is the acceptance of human sacrifice by the Christian god,am talking abt Jephtah's daughter's story now what do u say abt that
CelebritiesRe: You No Need Your Pastor's Blessings To Succeed In 2018- Charly Boy by brocab:
Its funny if you really think about your story, you aren't looking, but you are here searching for the answers, the problem is, you may think you are a atheist, but deep within, the Lord had brought you to this page, spiritually God uses everything to bring His people Home to Him. And you belong to God..
The only differences we have to the world, is we have God in our lives, the world follows after its own kind, yes we suffer just like everybody else, we see the doctors, the Mechanics, sick, we rely on medicine, God works in ways, not expected, Listen Jesus said: seek the Kingdom of God and all things shall be added to you, knock and it will be open-God is well and truly in the picture here, already we see He is working in you, He is bringing you home.
If you choose to seek after people for the answers about Christianity, that's all you will get, but if you choose to seek after God, then it is, His answers, you will receive.
jean1128:
Let me make this clear before I carry on I left the christian faith over 2 years ago and now am an atheist so is not like am confused or looking for how to get back to christianity,but in line with what u just said, when I was a christian I was very committed to "God" I felt like I had a relationship with him as time went on I wanted it grow I wanted to experience "him or her" in an extraordinary way, I put all my efforts to serving him but to what end ? my life was as ordinary as it could be,is not like I sought for miracles but you can not tell me that someone would be serving a god that is supposedly omnipotent and his/her life would just be as ordinary as everyother persons life,there is nothing special about christians when they ate sick they go to the hospital just like everyone,when their car is broken they go to the mechanic,when workers are laid off but christians and non christians are laid off there is no special advantage anyone gets because of religion and ever since I quit Christianity I started living my life more meaningfully I was not struck by thunder as I had feared,I have had good experiences and bad ones as well but in summary my life has been more fruitful and worth living,now am not going to believe just anything because it is what everyone believes if a "God" exists and wants me to recognize and have something to do with him or her I don't even know what gender to use,he her or itit whichever one it is would clearly reveal him or herself to me,but for me to believe and serve the white mans god whom I have never seen or had an experince of no chance,by the way I don't need to believe or acknowledge any god to live a fairly successful life,a lot of great men who lived and the ones who are alive today achieved great ness even without having anything to do with god or religion
CelebritiesRe: You No Need Your Pastor's Blessings To Succeed In 2018- Charly Boy by brocab:
Thanks for your story: a bit of honesty doesn't go astray. My home is in Australia, and like myself I don't go to Church to prove I am a believer, matter of fact I believe more in Christ, then I ever did when I was in Church, to be truthful I was backsliding in them..
People will always try to be overly spiritual, more then others, they try so hard but nothing really happens, they say things they think it should be, but it isn't always the case, to be honest if your pastor knew what he was doing in the first place, you would be healed.
If I was to listen to every person who had claimed to be some what a believer, it would blow my mind, I decided to make the problem go away, I decided not to listen to them, and decided to make my own way with Christ, I am so happy I did that, because the Church is full of people who aren't really walking with God anyway, they come across they are overly spiritual but underneath it all, they don't know Jesus, I hopes this helps you, do you know many of them in Church are not actually saved.
If I was the mix around with junkies {Which are people on drugs} long enough, I may end up as a junkie too. Its the same with the Church if you mix with people who haven't the slightest idea who Christ is, you will end up not believing in Christ, and by this story, this is your story right now..
jean1128:
how can one have this so called spiritual experience,by reading the bible and praying and then assuming that "God" is listening ?. My dear I can relate to what he said very well. One of the reasons I left Christianity was because I sincerely sought for "God" but didn't find anything extraordinary ,so right now if "God" would not reveal "himself herself or itself" to me in a very clear and undisputable way then I don't have any business with religion. The mistake u christians often make is that u think ex Christians left the faith because they lack an understanding of the bible,this is not so,must of us left Christianity because despite our sincere and burning yearn to experience what moses,David and the rest supposedly had we didn't get any result. I would never forget one day I was in church the preacher asked is to lay our hands on ourselves and pray for our sickness to disappear instantly, I had catarrh and I prayed more earnestly then I have ever prayed for "God" to heal me not because the catarrh was a huge deal but because I wanted to jave an experience of praying for an ailment and getting a reply from"God" ; an instant healing,after the prayer I opened my eyes with the most assuredness that "God" answered me and that I was healed,even when I was still having signs that I still had the catarrh but I dismissed it,after the service I noticed that I still had the catarrh,I was so disappointed and I kept asking myself is it that am so sinful that "God " can not answer my prayers in a miraculous way, I cried when I got home resenting myself,my problem was not necessary that I wanted to be relieved of the catarrh after all it will go even if I didnt take any medicine, I just wanted to express faith and see it work for me in a dramatic way,but every thing was so ordinary. I may not have realized it at the time but that event hurt me mor than I could imagine .I am not saying that this was the sole reason I left Christianity am just replying to what u said about havind a spiritual experience,some of us spent so much time and dedication but we didn't see anything so its useless asking me to go and start seeking for that again.The difference between you and I is that am truthful to myself and open to making the right judgement,but you even when you see something white if the bible says its black you would say its black
CelebritiesRe: You No Need Your Pastor's Blessings To Succeed In 2018- Charly Boy by brocab: 9:06am On Dec 28, 2017
Christianity EtcRe: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome: Why Do We Never See Videos Of Anita? Youtube? by brocab:
This preacher isn't any different to Kenneth Copeland, or Benny Hinn, prosperity preachers, are preaching another doctrine that isn't scriptural, but is there anybody reading the Word of God-to see these are little god's walking amongst Christians.
These Churches are always full of people after money, why because-the world knows its own kind, and what makes the world go around, Money, Satan said to Jesus, bow down and I will give you everything, Jesus said: get behind Me Satan-you shall worship the Lord God and Him only you shall serve.
Prosperity leaves the Church "Bowing" the truth about prosperity isn't about Christ, prosperity needs men and women to preach it's gospel to lead the people away from Christ..
Jesus said: we can't worship Mammon and God at the same time..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMaohNaUlIc
Christianity EtcRe: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome: Why Do We Never See Videos Of Anita? Youtube? by brocab: 1:48am On Dec 28, 2017
Well said..
crossman9:
thank for the correction brother i have a history with the church yes they started a war with me i am not a normal person they just plucked of the street I have dispread for a time but I was gathering my strength so the war has now been declared never pick a fight with a soldier who is trained in the art of war
SUN TZU ON THE ART OF WAR THE OLDEST MILITARY TREATISE IN THE WORLD
So in tell the truth the first casulity of war is the truth but truth is my weapon
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by brocab: 10:55pm On Dec 27, 2017
2018 is the time to pray for the Church, pray also for those who haven't received the spirit of the Lord, pray for those who haven't yet been called, that one day they will find the truth in Christ.
Pray for our nations, that someday, everybody will turn from their evil ways and worship the only true God-Jesus Christ is Lord.
Pray for our Church that the Lord will help us to seek after the kingdom of God, pray for us-the Lord will give us wisdom and knowledge how to recognise the truth, Pray for those who have been taught the unscripted tithing message, and all the other religious man made gospels..
Pray for the Pastors to give back the tithes {Money} they have stolen from the stranger the poor the needy and the hungry, Pray for the lost in Church and out on the streets, Pray for those who are hungry spiritually and fleshly, Pray for those who are thirsty, poor and in need, that the Lord will give the Christians strength to seek after them, find them, love them, and teach them the Word of God.
Pray for me, and you and everybody, that God will choose each and everyone of us, when He returns, that we will enter into His kingdom and glory forever and forevermore..
Christianity EtcRe: Tithes And Offerings by brocab: 8:51pm On Dec 26, 2017
2018 is the time to pray for the Church, pray also for those who haven't received the spirit of the Lord, pray for those who haven't yet been called, that one day they will find the truth in Christ.
Pray for our nations, that someday, everybody will turn from their evil ways and worship the only true God-Jesus Christ is Lord.
Pray for our Church that the Lord will help us to seek after the kingdom of God, pray for us-the Lord will give us wisdom and knowledge how to recognise the truth, Pray for those who have been taught the unscripted tithing message..
Pray for the lost in Church and out on the streets, Pray for those who are hungry spiritually and fleshly, Pray for those who are thirsty, poor and in need, that the Lord will give the Christians strength to seek after them, find them, love them, and teach them the Word of God.
Pray for me, and you and everybody, that God will choose each and everyone of us, when He returns, that we will enter into His kingdom and glory forever and evermore..
Christianity EtcRe: Why Are So Many Christians Greedy For Money? by brocab(op):
This is happening all over the world, people believe they are blessed from God because they give their tithes to the Church.
The differences we have in Churches today amongst Christians is, Christians actually believe, non tithers will not meet up with the Lord in the last day's.
I have had believers give me scriptures that doesn't line up with tithing at all, its the pastors who are destroying God's people, their teaching does not line up with the Word of God, it's a twisted sermon-which proves Mammon comes before the fall. No-tither could fully believe in the Word of God.
I have shared the Word proving to them, tithing isn't scriptural for us Christians today, but it seems no-one is listening, no-one tests the Spirit behind it all, and no-one test the Word to find the truth.
With my own opinion, do tithers actually believe the Word of God exist?
delishpot:
Pastors programed them. In churches today, pastors will openly tell worshippers that if they cant afford big housrs, big cars and oil jobs, they are cursed and God has left them. Members have to show howmuch of christ they have by the size if their pockets. Afterall, wealth is believed to be from God himself by these so called MOG.
One even said if your tithe is less than 50k a month, you need deliverance. That satan is holding such a person captive, so you can imagin how desperate the members will be to prove to daddy GO that they are favoured and blessed.
Christianity EtcRe: Kairo’s Embassy Church, Uyo Pastor's Wife Lied To Him (Photos) by brocab: 6:20am On Dec 26, 2017
Well the criminals are starting up Church, so why not you..
cathodekazim:
by fire by force i must own a church this yr

click like if you think church makes more profit than nnpc. share if otherwise
Christianity EtcRe: Dunamis Pastor’s Wife Bans Members From Hugging, Pecking In Church by brocab:
Great word's, I always say, it's not easy to follow Christ-it's a lonely walk."Most Christians haven't a clue what this actually means, but Jesus said many are called but few are chosen.
In my early years, it took sometime to understand this verse, until I started searching the scriptures in Christ, many are called-but who are the few that's chosen, many will come in My name and say: Lord did we not prophesy in your name, caste out demons in your name, heal the sick in your name, and the Lord will say, go away from Me, I never knew you.
{Romans 8:16-19} The Spirit Himself testifies and confirms together with our spirit [assuring us] that we [believers] are children of God. And if [we are His] children, [then we are His] heirs also: heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ [sharing His spiritual blessing and inheritance], if indeed we share in His suffering so that we may also share in His glory. For I consider [from the standpoint of faith] that the sufferings of the present life are not worthy to be compared with the glory that is about to be revealed to us and in us! For [even the whole] creation [all nature] waits eagerly for the children of God to be revealed. "Who are the Children of God?
Studying the Word of God-I have managed to understand the differences between two different gospels preached in the Church, these two gospels actually line up against each other-and yet no-one seems to recognise either of them, Christians are believing tithing Mammon is their means to salvation, Pastors are leading the Church down a different path, and no-one is testing the Spirit, nor are they reading the Word.
Doesn't anybody understand, pastors have turned the Church into a play ground with rules and regulation-like a amusement park, you can't enter in until you pay your tithes and offerings, this is totally unscriptural, the Love of Christ isn't there-kissing or hugging, or wearing ear rings or wearing trousers, or watching Television, sounds more like a scram, Less buying for yourselves, can only allow the Church to take more from you.
{The Pastors favored saying is, If you don't give to God, you are cursed, with a curse-just read your bibles to know this doesn't concern the Christians today}
nwakaibeya1:
man made agendas and rules and orders is already comming to end in churches because the kingdom of God of justice has come and the light has come ,the mantle and the power that be#from kissing and hugging and no wearing ear rings to no chains and no wearing trousers stories upon ,no watching television and all sorts of stories including night vigils and fastings because pastors and prophets lack the raw real power of jesuschrist to liberate humanbeigns and set them free from evil bondages so they set those man made rules to cage parishioners?why all these nonsense in churches?those who say dont wear ear rings and trousers and all sorts of forced rules and discriminations etc how about vehicles they use and airplanes and even phones that they use that where made by those who openly do not believe in God and jesuschrist who also openly worship idols especially in Asian countries etc?cant you see that these so called pastors and prophets and people are all chameleons and night people as we said?judgement has come upon the earth #watch out #we have spoken and those who have ear let them hear what the spirits are saying remember spirits are wiser than humans:THOSE WHO HAVE EYES READ US AND UNDERSTAND WHAT WE SPEAK AND OUR REVELATIONS ARE NEVER FOR SPIRITUALLY BLIND HUMANBEIGNS INFACT IS NOT FOR EVERYONE SAME AS WE SAID REAL JESUSCHRIST IS NOT FOR EVERYONE AND BEHOLD TO FOLLOW JESUSCHRIST IS THE HARDEST JOB OF HUMANBEIGNS
Christianity EtcRe: Catholicism's SHOCKING Attitude Toward The Bible! by brocab:
I pray the Lord will give us the abundance to bless others with more freedom to believe, I pray the lord will stop the world from ripping us off, I pray Pastors will stop collecting tithes and offerings, I pray the Lord will bring in the poor the hungry and the needy, and prosper them with food, clothing and love the believers who are dying in the Lord..
I pray the Lord will open up the hearts of the many millions who can encourage those who have walked away. I pray the Lord will anoint us, with His prosperity, He has installed for us abundantly-love our neighbour as the Lord had loved us-I encourage you, go out into the streets, seeking and find the kingdom of God, and all these things shall be added to you.
The kingdom of God is like this? What you do for others, you have done it, for the Lord..
Christianity EtcRe: The First Britsh Slave Ship To Reach The Americas Was Called The Good Jesus! by brocab:
Just because the name Jesus is mentioned on a slave ship, it doesn't support the theory this boat belongs to Christ. It doesn't matter where we go, Jesus name is written everywhere, it doesn't mean one believes..
The Portuguese were Christians and they sailed all over the world, every place was given a name-they sailed on the coast of Australia, the Portuguese called it, the great southern land of the Holy-Spirit.
Than the Brits came after-and took the land away from the native Aboriginals that lived peacefully, England invaded the island and brought slave ships with them, turning a land of milk and honey, into fire and brimstone, destroying everything in their path-raping the country of it's riches.
Imprisoned prolonging innocent native Men Women and Children the Brit's enslaved them to be sold separately outside the country, others were sold to the pioneers living on the land, most were slaughtered in the name of their Queen.
It just shows every country were invaded, and England is right in the middle of the unthinkable, a British race' a one world country that brings-Hell and destruction on earth. England come only to rape the land and everything that lives, in the name of their Queen.
Christianity EtcRe: Higher Everyday — Making Wrong Right by brocab:
2018 is the time to pray for the Church, pray also for those who haven't received the spirit of the Lord, pray for those who haven't yet been called, that one day they will find the truth in Christ.
Pray for our nations, that someday, everybody will turn from their evil ways and worship the only true God-Jesus Christ is Lord.
Pray for our Church that the Lord will help us to seek after the kingdom of God, pray for us-the Lord will give us wisdom and knowledge how to recognise the truth, Pray for those who have been taught the unscripted tithing message, and all the other religious man made gospels..
Pray for the Pastors to give back the tithes {Money} they have stolen from the stranger the poor the needy and the hungry, Pray for the lost in Church and out on the streets, Pray for those who are hungry spiritually and fleshly, Pray for those who are thirsty, poor and in need, that the Lord will give the Christians strength to seek after them, find them, love them, and teach them the Word of God.
Pray for me, and you and everybody, that God will choose each and everyone of us, when He returns, that we will enter into His kingdom and glory forever and forevermore..
Christianity EtcRe: Catholicism's SHOCKING Attitude Toward The Bible! by brocab:
Tomorrow is a day the Vatican Rome worships the Sun, while the rest of the believers see's the 25th is a day to celebrate the Son.
One day of the year, we celebrate the birth of Christ, the world celebrates Santa-it doesn't matter which day, Christ is born-it matters we recognise that Christ is alive in our hearts, souls and minds-now and forevermore.
Christmas is a day we celebrate with family and friends, some are strangers, some are hungry and poor, some in prison, sick, and lonely, today is a day to remember, through hardship we survived, our sorrows we managed, and our happiness, we made it. If you are alone go through the neighbourhoods, hit the streets, call in the hungry, the poor, and join with them today, and make this day your best day with the Lord..
{Matthew 22:9-10} So go to the main highways that lead out of the city, and invite to the wedding feast as many as you find.’ Those servants went out into the streets and gathered together all the people they could find, both bad and good; so the wedding hall was filled with dinner guests [sitting at the banquet table].But go out unto the streets and find as many as you can find and bring them into my place
Christianity EtcRe: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by brocab: 12:47am On Dec 24, 2017
Tomorrow is a day the Catholic Church had made Christmas day as a day to worship the Sun, but the rest of the world see's the 25th is a day to celebrate the Son.
One day of the year, by law we celebrate the birth of Christ, some people celebrate Santa-it doesn't concern us what day Christ was born-it matters we recognise that Christ is alive in our hearts-now and forevermore.
This is a time the world had made Christmas to be, when we spend our time with Him, family and friends, some prefer to be alone, others have no choice, ask the Lord to open a door for you, so you won't be alone for His day and your day will be celebrated the way you decide it to be.
{Matthew 22:9-10} So go to the main highways that lead out of the city, and invite to the wedding feast as many as you find.’ Those servants went out into the streets and gathered together all the people they could find, both bad and good; so the wedding hall was filled with dinner guests [sitting at the banquet table].But go out unto the streets and find as many as you can find and bring them into my place

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