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Christianity Etc › Re: Was Jesus Christ Truly Born On December 25th? by brocab: 12:34pm On Oct 19, 2017

Praise the Lord..Forevermore..

shadeyinka:
Of course Bro

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Christianity Etc › Re: Was Jesus Christ Truly Born On December 25th? by brocab: 9:08am On Oct 19, 2017

Celebrating Jesus is all we need.

shadeyinka:
Celebration of His death and Resurrection is even more important than Christmas

Christianity Etc › Re: Was Jesus Christ Truly Born On December 25th? by brocab: 10:51pm On Oct 18, 2017

It doesn't really matter what date we should celebrate Christmas, believing in Christ, everyday is Christmas.

shadeyinka:
No one know the date.
However, that sheep were outside show that it was probably around September/October.

The year is certain though: historically when the cencus was taken in Judea

Christianity Etc › Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by brocab: 9:10pm On Oct 18, 2017*

To be honest I have also seen little changers inside Churches, instead of asking for tithes and offerings, they ask for gifts and offerings..
It isn't always the pastors fault, in Church we always seem to find the rich and the famous, people that believe without Mammon nothing can be organised, pastors are servants, and they are here to serve, where there's work, there's always a boss, and under the boss, there are foremen's and then the workers-without Mammon they couldn't run any business.
So it isn't always the pastors fault, they are workers, working for a business boss, if the pastor looses his job, he looses his soul.
I was talking with a friend recently, he told me, he over heard a conversation at his Church-his pastor and the pastors wife earns over $300.000 a year, their preaching tactic's pleases the rich so well..
Not even a hard worker in a factory can earn money as good as that, most people are struggling each week, let alone those who are out of work, and a pastor who preaches for 1 hour in a one day sermon can turn over 2 to $3000, the much larger Churches earn tipple that.
Remember the rich mans story {Luke 18:22} Jesus said: you still lack one thing, sell everything you have and give it to the poor and come follow Me. "The rich man walked away sorrowful.
Do you believe a rich pastor, will give up his job, give up his Church for God, give up everything and give it to the poor and follow Christ.
He wouldn't be able to survive on his own, his pride will get in his way, fear will come upon him, and the Church wouldn't accept him, it isn't easy loosing a good paying job, especially having a yearly wage of $150.000 a year.
God can change everybody, but God had given us choices too, to be honest this will surely be a testing point for any pastor, the problem is most Churches around the globe are hooked up with the word faith movement, the teams of prosperity, if anyone was going to change their teachings, it wouldn't be the larger Churches, their pride will get in their way, the smaller Churches I believe would change and repent.
These are the Churches that holds the very few true believers, I remember walking into one Church, the pastor refused to preach tithes and offerings, he knew from the start it wasn't biblical, his Church is more like a home Church that calls in the young that God called into existence.
Haven't you noticed most believers are looking inside a Church, not looking out of one.

MrPristine:
Truth is that more and more pastors are coming out vocally against the tithe doctrine and admitting that it has no sound basis in true Christianity. It's just a matter of time when it will reach a critical mass of pastors preaching against the false doctrine and the tithing scam will be exposed for what it is. Of course the tithe merchants will fight back to protect their source of filthy lucre but the weight of evidence will surely be against them.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by brocab: 7:08am On Oct 18, 2017*

No I am not a farmer, nor am I a Jew, are you a Jew? Back then God bargained with the Jewish farmers to tithe, don't you realise, the Jews no longer pay tithes today. "But you do? And you aren't a Jew..
10% isn't much to brag about, matter of fact it's lukewarm, do you give 10%?
It shows you haven't read your bible enough to know tithing never gave a positive attitude towards anybody, and why didn't Jesus preach it, because He was against it.
{1 Corinthians 11:7-10} Paul said: Did I commit sin in humbling myself, that you might be exalted, because I preach the gospel of God free of charge, I robbed other Churches taking wages from them to minister to you. And when I was present with you and in need, I was a burden to no-one, for what I lacked the brethren who came from Macedonia supplied.
Can't you see, the apostles preached the Word of God free of charge, I am also giving you the Word of God free of charge, God didn't take money of the poor, let alone more than 10% of widows, you are mistaken, men of prosperity had devoured the poor widows and took more then 10%, just after Jesus had words with the Pharisees, Jesus saw, a devoured widow who gave her last two mites to the treasury.
{Matthew 23}
Don't you realise, this happens today, men of corrupt minds destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is their means to financial gain, it doesn't matter which way we turn-the Pharisee are criminals, they were robbing the widows, and robbing the Church, criminals have associates, that buy and sell products that doesn't belong to them.
Criminals rely on their prey-they seek to gain and destroy, Church criminals have twisted the Abraham story to cover up their tracks-Abraham gave everything away, that didn't belong to him, criminals do the opposite, they buy and sell for money, in some cases drugs, nothing belongs to them, not even a wage every week, God is mocked, and still they are paid by the Church.
Jesus said: A hard working labour is worthy of his wages..Criminals work small, to gain more. "Here's a good example a hard working criminal at work, this pastors talks with Benny Hinn how he would like to reach-out to younger boy's, without moving physically and speaking mentally, he is paid out by the Church, "What's the world coming too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URJz_SRq73g

Joshthefirst:
Sorry, I was replying with regards to a certain statement he made:

I was trying to show him God collected much more than 10% from widows, so his point is null.

People mostly dealt in farming back then. Will you now tell me that you aren't supposed to tithe because you're not a farmer? Weak point.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Deception Of Malachi 3:10-11 "Devourer" And "Storehouse" EXPOSED by brocab: 11:10pm On Oct 17, 2017

I was listening to Jimmy Swaggart with his son last night, he preaches against prosperity pimps, and than turns around asking for $5000 from everyone to invest in books getting one free of charge 'his say, how we should connect to God, plus Jimmy Swaggart had written a study bible, selling each $1000.
It just shows how these Prosperity preachers work across the globe, the Televisions are flooded with idea's to gain a financial wage. Jesus said: get out of My Fathers house, this is a house of prayer. It doesn't matter how the truth sounds, there will always be someone out there that disobey's the Word of God and chooses to rip off millions. "And you that tithe, walk away, Jesus had told you to walk away.{1 Timothy 6:3-5}
Of cause no-one seems to mention the bible, there's no price given on that, if people read the bible more, instead of relying on other books, they will know there is only one way into the kingdom of God..
Prosperity pimps are everywhere, either they preach the tithing sermon or they are selling books C/D's DVD's-giving us false literature how we should understand, how they think how we should reach out to God without reading the bible.
Most of these books are written by pastors-who now believe Jesus is not the only way into Heaven, pastors that believe homosexual marriage is the right thing to vote for, pastors believe taking the mark of the beast is God's call.
One of the many books sold in Christian book stores around the globe is called The Wicca, by Gerald Gardener, this book holds pagan beliefs of witchcraft, and many have falling for it, the "Shack" by William P Young, is another best seller in stores across the globe, these men haven't the slightest idea who God is, but without a care Christian book stores are allowing these prosperity preachers sell these books that's leading thousands of believers away from the truth.
{2 Thessalonians 2:9-12} The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason God will send them strong delusions, that they should believe the lie, that they all maybe condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Prosperity is knocking on our doors, Christians are more focus on pleasures of unrighteousness, then they are focused on their bibles that is safely hidden in the closet.

Christianity Etc › Re: Give Your 'Tithes' And Offerings To The Less Fortunate In Church by brocab: 11:09pm On Oct 17, 2017

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by brocab: 11:09pm On Oct 17, 2017

Christianity Etc › Re: TB Joshua Returns The Tithe Of A Widower And Father Of 3 by brocab: 11:08pm On Oct 17, 2017

Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Did Not Give Or Collect Tithe! by brocab: 11:07pm On Oct 17, 2017

Christianity Etc › Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by brocab: 11:07pm On Oct 17, 2017*

I was listening to Jimmy Swaggart with his son last night, he preaches against prosperity pimps, and than turns around asking for $5000 from everyone to invest in books getting one free of charge 'his say, how we should connect to God, plus Jimmy Swaggart had written a study bible, selling each $1000.
It just shows how these Prosperity preachers work across the globe, the Televisions are flooded with idea's to gain a financial wage. Jesus said: get out of My Fathers house, this is a house of prayer. It doesn't matter how the truth sounds, there will always be someone out there that disobey's the Word of God and chooses to rip off millions. "And you that tithe, walk away, Jesus had told you to walk away.{1 Timothy 6:3-5}
Of cause no-one seems to mention the bible, there's no price given on that, if people read the bible more, instead of relying on other books, they will know there is only one way into the kingdom of God..
Prosperity pimps are everywhere, either they preach the tithing sermon or they are selling books C/D's DVD's-giving us false literature how we should understand, how they think how we should reach out to God without reading the bible.
Most of these books are written by pastors-who now believe Jesus is not the only way into Heaven, pastors that believe homosexual marriage is the right thing to vote for, pastors believe taking the mark of the beast is God's call.
One of the many books sold in Christian book stores around the globe is called The Wicca, by Gerald Gardener, this book holds pagan beliefs of witchcraft, and many have falling for it, the "Shack" by William P Young, is another best seller in stores across the globe, these men haven't the slightest idea who God is, but without a care Christian book stores are allowing these prosperity preachers sell their books that's leading thousands of believers away from the truth.
{2 Thessalonians 2:9-12} The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason God will send them strong delusions, that they should believe the lie, that they all maybe condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Prosperity is knocking on our doors, Christians are more focus on pleasures of unrighteousness, then they are focused on their bibles that is safely hidden in the closet.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Tithes And Offerings by brocab: 10:24pm On Oct 16, 2017*

Christianity Etc › Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by brocab: 8:45am On Oct 16, 2017

{2 Corinthians 11:7-9} Paul wrote and said: Did I commit sin in humbling myself that you might be exalted, because I preached the gospel of God to you free of charge?
I robbed other churches taking wages from them to minister to you.
And when I am present with you, and in need, I was a burden to no-one, for what I lacked the brethren who come from Macedonia supplied.
And in everything I kept myself from being burdensome to you.
Even the apostle Paul is against pastors taking wages to minister to you, If we were to preach the gospel, lets do it free of charge, like Paul did, and the rest of the apostles who preach the gospel of Christ freely.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Did Not Give Or Collect Tithe! by brocab: 8:43am On Oct 16, 2017

{2 Corinthians 11:7-9} Paul wrote and said: Did I commit sin in humbling myself that you might be exalted, because I preached the gospel of God to you free of charge?
I robbed other churches taking wages from them to minister to you.
And when I am present with you, and in need, I was a burden to no-one, for what I lacked the brethren who come from Macedonia supplied.
And in everything I kept myself from being burdensome to you.
Even the apostle Paul is against pastors taking wages to minister to you, If we were to preach the gospel, lets do it free of charge, like Paul did, and the other apostles who preach the gospel of Christ freely.

Christianity Etc › Re: Tithes And Offerings by brocab: 7:02am On Oct 16, 2017*

{2 Corinthians 11:7-9} Paul wrote and said: Did I commit sin in humbling myself that you might be exalted, because I preached the gospel of God to you free of charge?
I robbed other churches taking wages from them to minister to you.
And when I am present with you, and in need, I was a burden to no-one, for what I lacked the brethren who come from Macedonia supplied.
And in everything I kept myself from being burdensome to you.
Even the apostle Paul is against pastors taking wages to minister to you, If we were to preach the gospel, lets do it free of charge, like Paul did, and all the other apostles who preach the gospel of Christ freely.

Christianity Etc › Re: Was Jesus Christ Truly Born On December 25th? by brocab: 12:05am On Oct 15, 2017*

If I am a pharisees than I must be a JW, like you.
Jesus said: First rule, love God, Second rule, love your neighbour as yourselves-If Christians were all the same, we wouldn't have spiritual war fares against each other, every religion would accept everybody instead of imprisoning their own comrades under lock and key.
Do JW's Join with the Catholic's, Pentecostal's, vise a versa? "Or are we separated by choice because some religions have added and removed doctrines that doesn't line up with the Word of God?
Why did Jesus alienated Himself away from this world, when the world separates it'self with organisations, who have added and removed scriptures from the bible, committing a crime against God and humanity.

Hairyrapunzel:
You are probably a pharisee then.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Did Not Give Or Collect Tithe! by brocab: 12:52am On Oct 14, 2017

Praise the Lord..

mecuzee:
I agree with you!

Christianity Etc › Re: Was Jesus Christ Truly Born On December 25th? by brocab: 12:50am On Oct 14, 2017

Not even Jesus called Himself a brother to the pharisees.
And if the pharisees loved Jesus like a brother, then the bible would have rewritten itself.
Meaning we aren't all brothers in Christ..

Hairyrapunzel:
A main concern is, not what the practice meant hundreds of years ago, but how it is viewed today in your area. Understandably, opinions may vary from one place to another. Hence, it is wise to avoid turning such matters into big issues.” Awake! 2003 Sep 22 pp.23-24

Romans 14:5,6, 10 “One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. … But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you also look down on your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of God…?”

where the spirit of Jehovah is, there is freedom.” (2 Cor 3:17)
As Christians we celebrate Christmas to remind each other about the birth of our Savior Jesus Christ. Whether christmas is of pagan origin or not its of no use. Our motive behind the celebration is what is important.

Christianity Etc › Re: TB Joshua Returns The Tithe Of A Widower And Father Of 3 by brocab: 12:12am On Oct 12, 2017*

TB Joshua's Scoan Church falls with great pride, {Matthew 15:13} Jesus said: every plant, which My Heavenly Father has not planted, will be pulled up by the roots.
After the building collapsed, martially everything in that building had turned into dust, nothing was left to salvage.
{Ephesians 2:19-22} We are no-longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens and fellow members of the household of God, having been built on the foundation on the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, in whom the whole building being fitted together grows into the hole temple of the Lord, In whom we are built together for a dwelling place for God in the Spirit.
By the looks of this, the Scoan building was proven to be empty spirituality, it didn't have the cornerstone to support the foundations.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6mdIINem-M

ScienceWatch:
Israel falsely claim that the Christian/Gentiles owe their spiritual inheritance to Israel. What a sad Joke ! Israel is today still destroying Christian Churchs. Israel has recently awarded the Holy Prophet TB Joshua with a great Humanitarian Award, and rightly so.
Historically, Israel Jews rejected and then killed the Messiah after witnessing the mind-blowing miracles and also saw how their congregations were flocking to Jesus for healings. They saw their dead churches/Synagogues empty.

Their flock was not fooled any longer. They used vicious methods to whip loyalty into there people. Today the Jews are still burning Christian churches. Now troubled Israel is appealing for help from the Gentile christian believers that continue two thousand years later to deeply honour the risen Messiah.
Paul the disciple wrote the following in 2 Corinthians 11:24: "Five times I received from the Jews thirty-nine lashes." And, as you are aware the greatest opposition and persecution against him and his ministry came from Judaizers.

Two thousand years later, even Christian leaders reject all evidence pointing to miraculous healings coming out of Scoan Church Nigeria for the same reason: Fearing that their flock will leave their dead churches and go to Scoan for healing, etc.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Did Not Give Or Collect Tithe! by brocab: 2:07am On Oct 11, 2017*

We don't pay tithes because it isn't scriptural to pay tithes, I am not a Jew, giving a tithe won't prove anything to God, you say, you give away your money to prove money isn't everything.
We don't need to prove to God, don't you understand, God had chosen us out of this world, a good Samaritan obey's His laws, the tithing law is not one of them, back then tithing belonged to the Jews, these days the Jews don't pay tithes, we are Gentiles, not Jews from the past.
So why do you believe you have to prove yourself to God by paying your way into His kingdom.
{Acts 20:35} Say's It is more blessed to give, than to receive.
It's greed to even think tithing your first fruits will bring some sort of a come back with God, tithing filled up the land with rain, which of course produced its first fruits to God and God gave it to His people.
Someone that's blessed, is someone who gives with a pure heart the way the Lord said to give, "try giving and not expecting anything back, "Nigeria is full of need, try giving all your yearly tithe to strangers, feed the hungry, cloth the poor, visit the sick and in prison.
God commanded the Jews to bring their {Tithes} food into the storehouse, so His people will be fed.
Haven't you wondered why this law isn't with the Jews today, it's a lukewarm mentally to pay tithes, and expect something back.

henry255:
My brother, the concept of tithing has been far long misconstrued and emphasized to the point that most benefits of untithers are not connected to it but the scripture has commanded us to fill the store house.

The main principle behind tithing and giving is the fact that what we do with our money shows where our heart is. Check Matt 6:21 When we are able to give 10% or more of our income instead of keeping that money for ourselves, it shows that our heart isn't tied to our money and that we love God more than our money. Mind you, it was never made compulsory but to build the spirit man. If you can pay tax, why can't you pay tithe?

The scripture most frequently referenced regarding the tithe is indeed in the old testament (Mal 3:10-12) abi?, but the tithe is also referenced in the new. In Mat23:23, Jesus talks to the farisees, condemning dem 4 tithing to the penny but neglecting the more important issues of justice, mercy and faith. He then goes on to tell them that they should in fact tithe, but that they shouldn't neglect the more important things. Jesus recognized the importance of keeping the tithe and we should, too.

If I still have time I will keep writing but i'm preparing for work.

If you can read 2cor 9: from verse 6, u go see say giving is also associated with tithing. Tithe is a term in biblical kingdom that is connected to spiritual and financial growth.
When you give (tithe) to God, you are reaping bountiful because life is spiritual.

Very few churches today disagree with the tithing concept claiming it's only in the old testament. But in the new, a broader explanation was adopted.
So many tins in the old which was abolished in the new like burnt offering, circumcision etc, in the new, it was still offering, but not burnt.

I don't expect such question to come from the likes of the OP cos I understand he is a member of christ embassy which I am a member too.

Bro, don't be deceived. Don't be one of those that say tithing enriches your pastor becos even in the bible, Jesus christ never lived like a poor man but lived a righteous life.

Goodmorning y'all

Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Did Not Give Or Collect Tithe! by brocab: 12:55am On Oct 11, 2017

We are fulfilling all righteousness, and tithing is not one of them..

mecuzee:
You should TO FULFIL ALL RIGHTEOUSNESS

Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Did Not Give Or Collect Tithe! by brocab: 12:31am On Oct 11, 2017*

{Matthew 25:43-45}Then give the way Jesus told you to give, I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, I was naked and you did not cloth Me, I was sick and in prison and you did not visit Me. and the business Church will say, Lord when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or sick or in prison and did not minister to you, then Jesus answers, truly I tell you, whatever you did not do to one of the least of these, you did not do it for Me.
This is the correct way Jesus said to give, giving contributions of tithes and offerings to tax free organised man made businesses, isn't the correct way Jesus said to give.
{Malachi 3:8-11} You have robbed God, in what way have you robbed God, In tithes and offerings, you are cursed with a cursed for you have robbed Me, Bring all your tithes into the storehouse that there maybe food in My house.
Tithes and offerings was never brought for a price to build tax free Churches, or tax free multi million dollar mansions, it wasn't organised for a smooth business contribution among the members to run such tax free organisations around the globe.
You have robbed God..

orisa37:
Don't compare Jesus, a Spirit Son, with Humans. Christ is God. God creates. Humans organise and for smooth organization, there must be contributions by members to run organizations. Such contributions are Tithes and Offerings.

Christianity Etc › Re: Higher Everyday — Making Wrong Right by brocab: 10:57pm On Oct 07, 2017*

I am not expecting you to open up your heart for truth, but I figure if you gonna preach a sermon about Jesus then at least be truthful about it all. Try this one for size, if you are open to the truth-then this video should lead you to your victory, 'This godly man has a great story to share, he had been mocked, threatened, by those in the Church.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWPjBzau_W8
The truth is out there, open your eye's and learn the truth about Christ, He will set us all free from the slavery that the pastors had laid upon God's people. Jesus warned us by saying-From such withdraw yourselves, give 10% to the widows , give another 10% to the strangers, give another 10% to the poor, give another 10% to the hungry, then in every 3 years give your tithes to the Livites, and the Lord said: then maybe My people will be fed..

Christianity Etc › Re: Higher Everyday — Making Wrong Right by brocab: 9:39am On Oct 07, 2017

Nigeria Christians this is a video you should be watching..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWPjBzau_W8

Christianity Etc › Re: Tithes And Offerings by brocab: 9:36am On Oct 07, 2017

Nigeria Christians this is a video you all should watching.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWPjBzau_W8

Christianity Etc › Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by brocab: 3:14am On Oct 07, 2017*

Not only in Nigeria, Prosperity pimps are everywhere, every church has one, they all collect the cash, either it's through tithing, or through selling DVD's C/D's Books etc, every church operates the same way.
To be honest, I have met only one pastor that is straight to the core, the rest of the pastors teach the same "Mammon" just as good as the next pastor, pastors can't be pastors unless they fall into the same condemnation as the Church falls, if a pastor preached against the Church of man, he/she wouldn't be a pastor for to long.
It's simple bro, tithers won't ask their pastors anything, because tithers are not open to any video that denies their belief. And besides pastors will only twist and turn the scriptures, just like they have done, all along.
After I was saved, I never understood tithing, it was the Church that told me tithing was God's custom, but to be honest it was never in my heart to tithe, only because nothing made any sense.
It was because I cried out unto the Lord one evening, He showed me through Word, tithing is not for Him, and now when I open my bible, 'it's everywhere, and besides Jesus always had problems with the tithers, {Matthew 23} tells the story..

MrPristine:
The video will definitely do a lot of damage to the tithe scam in Nigeria. He quoted a lot of bible verses that most Christians were not aware of that proves the modern day tithe doctrine to be a scam. A lot of Christians will certainly be asking their pastors loads of questions based on those verses and I can assure you from experience that they won't have any answer but to attempt to obfuscate the bible further. I mean how can a pastor explain away a clearly written verse in the bible that says you can use your tithe to drink beer �

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Christianity Etc › Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by brocab: 9:00am On Oct 06, 2017

Good video, the non tither is speaking from his heart, by the looks of the listener she isn't genuine, matter of fact she isn't concerned about him, if she is a Church goer she will continual to tithe.
Most tithers call themselves Christians, either they believe it or not, they will pay tithes until the sun go's down, because they don't know anything else, they are taught this way, it wouldn't matter how the bible produces the Word of God, most tithers are not readers.
Pastors that preachers sermons on tithes will always have a stronger influence over them, because like a child they were never taught the basic's between the light and the darkness.

Goshen360:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWPjBzau_W8

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Christianity Etc › Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by brocab: 12:26pm On Oct 04, 2017*

Times have changed, Jesus said: we can concern summer is near, but we can't concern the end times. {Mark 13:27-29}
We see the times are coming from all directions, we see our families, friends are turning against us, we see more violent's on the streets, we see mass shooters on top of buildings, we see rioting in our neighbourhoods.
{Matthew 24, Mark 13, Luke 21} Jesus warned us these times are coming.
I will share a short story.
One day a thief had watched a couple enjoying their day out away from their house, the thief decided to break through their window, and a parrot was in his cage, said: I can see you, and Jesus can see you too, the thief didn't pay any attention to the parrot, and he continualed to break through the window, the parrot said again I can see you, and Jesus can see you too, the thief managed to get inside the house, brushing himself of with the glass, the parrot said I can see you, and Jesus can see you too, get him Jesus, the large dog was named Jesus, and he mould the man to pieces, and the man flew out of the window and was never seen again.
This is the Jesus the Church would caste out, but does the Church realise a fathers heart would discipline his own, a rebellious Child would be devastated when his father throws him into outer darkness into prison to spend eternity.
Doesn't the Church realise we are His children, our rebellious hearts towards Him, will cause Him to caste us into outer darkness with the father of lies and wonders, the love of the Fathers heart will disciplines His Children, a rebellious Child hates His Father, your false teachings, your false doctrines, and your false salvation's, will be caste out to spend eternity with the devil.
Many are called, but few are chosen, are we seeking the Lord, praying, are we watchmen watching the times, Jesus said: Heaven and Earth will pass away, but My Word will never pass away.
Meaning the world is coming to its end, doesn't the Church realise the believers are looking inside the Church, instead of looking outside one.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by brocab: 3:32am On Oct 03, 2017*

Ok sister I will keep that in mind-I remember-after the sermons Churches would preach a good message, people had a positive attitude towards there day ahead, things have changed, these days I have tried and talk with others about today's message, no-one seems interested, and most people are watching the stage, but their thoughts are elsewhere.
I suppose this is why the Lord takes people out of Church-we don't get fed anymore, most of us are seeking the Lord in our homes, not even the pastors in Church are focused on God, the latest news pastors around the globe are voting for Adam and Steve, not Adam and Eve, they preach the tithing message for that long, people are sick of hearing it, to be honest the Church is falling away, the Church structure tells the story, nearly every Church-Hill songs show signs of the Illuminati, they display dirty dancing, where's the message-10 minutes the tithing message, 15 minutes about the Church activities, and 5 minutes of nothing.
Where was the sermon, what was the message? Cant people see, God is not in their house, and they won't find God anywhere with this sort of attitude the Church displays, so the Church don't feed the flock, then what, do we expect the Church to be with the Lord, are they expecting the rapture to come soon, Jesus said: many are called, but few are chosen, are people listening? Are the pastors like Governments, puppets on a string.
Does the Church need to display their riches, their over rated tax free businesses of night clubs, live music, Coffee clubs, their food industries, their buying and selling books, C/D's DVD's collecting tithes and offerings, funding's and finances, "do they need to display the rich as they sit above wearing their costly clothing displaying their riches with pride, while the poor sits hungry and in rags below, is this the Church we seek after.
The Churches are Old testament temples, that uses the Abraham story, full of riches, an old custom to pay the high priest the tithe every year, while everything else was giving to the kings, Temples that buy and sell products of books, collecting tithes and offerings and donations, they buy homes, land, slavery, life stock, and other merchandise was brought for a price and sold, while the rich become richer, and the poor become poorer..
{Matthew 21:13} Jesus said: His house is a house of prayer, not a den of thieves.
The Church has forgotten what the House of God is, without the proper teaching people won't see Christ mentally, physically, spirituality nor naturally, nor will they know it is the Word of God, because the heart of the Church is made of stone.
Slowly but surely, God will deliver His people to safety..

An2elect2:
The Lord said people won't hear Him because they are not part of His sheep. The only way this would be is when His word is unpleasant to natural men. Amazes me that people cannot see how real those words are but are however confirming them through their false beliefs and refusal to obey the truth.

That "heaven and hell, new revelation" stories are they most annoying. People are so quick to believe them because they tell them these are the things to do and not to do, it gives them a sense of power over their lives, their salvation rather than submit to the Word of God.

And true, from all walks of life we have gullible people knowingly or ignorantly submitting to men rather than to God. I believe some of them are sheep and the Lord is using us to open their eyes. May the Lord continue to keep us and strengthen us to overcome.

I am a sister tho!

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Christianity Etc › Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by brocab: 1:02am On Oct 02, 2017*

Thanks brother, the Lord brought you out of the Church structure-He will use you, like He uses us.
I remember a dream I had from the Lord, I seen thousands upon thousands of sheep walking one way down through the mountains, I knew I was one of them, it brought me back to {Ezekiel 34} the shepherds had stuttered the sheep into the mountains, and the lord brought us back.
Its been some time now since I have called a Church building home, I have learn so much about the Lord, then I ever learned from any Church structure, the doctrines are different, time and time again I manage to drop in a Church here and there, I don't like to be a judge, but in most cases the Church keeps on pushing the tithing messages across, most have the music rolling for that long, the Church doesn't hear enough of the Word of God.
In every Church there are always a small group of believers, like I was, we were always pushed to one side of the Church, that the Pastor doesn't know we existed, the pastors can only please those paying Christians, they believe that paying tithes will lead them to be with the Lord. Pastors that teach tithes are too frightened to preach the truth, they are afraid if the Church knew the truth, the Church will be empty.
Since I had left the Church, there's so much the learn, and its so simple to learn, once we get the hang of it, Jesus has millions of His followers just waiting for the day the Lord comes to separate the tares from the wheat...
It isn't easy bro, to be a believer in Christ, it is a lonely road to take, if one is willing? God separates us from the world, it isn't easy bro to stand as one man trying to preach the gospel to individuates inside or outside a Church, the Lord had given the pastors the road of responsibilities to carry His message through, but do they do it? "No".
Christians are more focused by their worldly Church structures, than they are focused on God, matter of fact many are less focused reading about the Word of God, but more focused on other books, that were written by men and women who claim they had seen God the angels, Heaven or Hell.
{"There's a story out there about a pastor who spent 90 minutes in Heaven, I thinks it's page 33" his book is different to his verbal testimony, in His book He didn't see the glory of the Lord, but in his testimony he seen it. This pastor lied and became rich.
"Another story about a young boy, went into heaven after having some sort of accident with his father, a book was written about how the boy seen the Lord, and how he spent time in Heaven, when the boy had growing to an certain age, he told his father to tell the world the story is a lie from the beginning, see it wasn't the boys story, but his fathers story, the father was a pastor that wanted his Church to grow-his story had made him rich.}
Books such as these is changing peoples hearts away from the Word of God, I have found it difficult to share the gospel to all sorts of Christians around the world, they would rather believe in the lie that someone else had written, than believe in the truth that God had written.
Over the years, I have asked many Christians if I could go with them to a bible study, I never received a call, I may be asked once in a blue moon to meet people at their Church, but I found most are looking for the numbers to tithe, then they are looking for the people that needs the Lord..
Television is full of Churches, the Word Faith Movement is one of the main attractions the world see's, these are a team of prosperity preachers, that most worldly Churches receives them with flying colours having their hearts full of gold.
{Matthew 6:24} We can't serve two masters, we can't serve God and Mammon at the same time.
[1 Timothy 6:3-5} Christians from all walks of life are more focused on men of corrupt minds destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is their means to financial gain.

An2elect2:
Blessed are you!!

I feel safer and have learned a lot outside the modern church. All because God showed me mercy. Grateful and proud of the few of you that would not bow to the church-god but stay faithful to God.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by brocab: 9:35am On Oct 01, 2017

Very true, I hope this make sense to you, but I remember the days, when I didn't listen to anybody, I learnt the hard way, and looking back now, I believe it was my best way.
Some people are good listeners, I wasn't, learning the hard way, helped me see what my life was, it took me through some pretty tough times, I actually seen my world at its worst.
Today I am a believer, and now I see two worlds, to be with God my world is now at its best, without God my world was at it's worst.
People are lazy, the world is lazy, it is another kingdom-Jesus said" His kingdom is not of this world, mental or physical health is to hard to comprehend, the world follows after its own kind, people would rather wait for the doctor or someone else they believe that could deal with their saturation, before they could.
Without a healthy mind, or a physical mind, and without the Word of God in the Church, then people are just worldly people without a kingdom. And sadly we are talking about Christians who haven't a clue, which way is right..

An2elect2:
@bold Imagine how mean people can be to themselves. If they can be weary of fake drugs why can't they be weary of false doctrines? One affects the physical health, the other the soul. This just tells you where these "Christians" eyes are at. They claim it's beyond here but when you get down with facts you will see how fixated to this world they are.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The truth your pastor would not tell you about tithes by brocab: 8:24am On Sep 29, 2017

No I don't call myself a Christian, these days people from all walks of life call themselves Christians, it doesn't prove they are.
I myself am a believer in Christ-but you wouldn't recognise me, as one like you?
We don't have to beat around the bush but we both know we preach two different doctrines.
And if this man is your pastor-as you boast, than I suppose you wouldn't feel you need to read the scriptures, since you have this man on your team, It amazes me, why nearly every Church around the globe refuses {1 Timothy 6:3-5} that say's "Men of corrupt minds destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is their means to Financial gain. Jesus then said: From such withdraw yourselves..
"Don't Christians ever read their bibles anymore, we believers do-God never preaches about tithing, God had always preached on giving.
{Matthew 6:21} Where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

OLAADEGBU:
He is my pastor. Are you a Christian?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9fhLOHBLEI

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