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Christianity Etc › Re: The Pentecostal Church Verses The Catholic Church. by brocab(op): 2:58pm On Nov 15, 2017

What do you expect from me Uben, a reward of dead or alive.
You know very well, the truth about Rome, it's written everywhere, by a push of a button it's there..
Call me what you want, but it won't stop the music, songs of Solomon will always hit the charts..
Try reading your bible, the melody of it, sings to the lord..

Ubenedictus:
you are back with your untruths and half truths.

of course you are back to your usual ways.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Pentecostal Church Verses The Catholic Church. by brocab(op): 2:51pm On Nov 15, 2017

Can you prove it to be a lie? All you aren't sure, it is a lie?

Ubenedictus:
you are back with your untruths and half truths.

of course you are back to your usual ways.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Pentecostal Church Verses The Catholic Church. by brocab(op): 2:47pm On Nov 15, 2017

It is you arguing, and calling me out-isn't the right term I would use, calling the Word of God out, yes these are on the lines I would use.
Uben Balls you want, I don't need balls to fight my battles, I need the Word of God, it's His Word that fears you, you don't agree with it, only because I have been sent here to help you see the kingdom of God open up before you.
God is calling His beloved Children, so when its our time, we will spend eternity with Him in all His glory.
Uben we could stand together..

Ubenedictus:
nah,

this isn't me arguing with you, I am calling you out as a bias insincere person who lack the balls to acknowledge when he is mistaken and lack the humility to correct himself.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Apostle Paul Had To Say About Tithes And Other Heretic Teachings by brocab: 1:49pm On Nov 15, 2017*

If we are here to spell out the truth, let'd lay it down on the table.
Everybody that say's they love Christ, and refuses to obey His Word, is a liar, and the truth is not found in them.
Christ is the way no-one comes to the Father without Jesus, and Jesus said: One must be born again before he can enter into the kingdom of God.
Many are called, but few are chosen, not everyone that says to Me, lord lord will enter into the kingdom of heaven, some will say, did I not caste out demons in your name, teach in your name, prophesy in your name, and the lord will say to him, get away from Me, I never knew you.
How many born again Christians each week refuse Christ-how many are truly saved. Jesus said: by their fruit we will know them.
Some believers will see heaven in all it's glory, many of us won't see heaven, because we are to busy travelling the highways of destruction into hell.
Everyday there are believers from all walks of life, spending eternity with their god they had chosen to obey.
What a nightmare to even think down these lines, but the truth is, it's true, our loved ones we once knew, didn't make it to be with the lord, in reality, their past life tells the story, did they make it, what was their final choice before they died?
It's time Christians to check yourselves, to know, if you are ready to front the lord, when your judgement day arrives.
Eternity in hell will break a man, if you are a woman, how much more fear will it be, if we were a child.

Christianity Etc › Re: Higher Everyday — Making Wrong Right by brocab: 1:37pm On Nov 15, 2017

I like the way you say this.
Matthew Henry rightly opined that, "The sin we are most in danger of is giving the glory and honour to any creature which are due to God only. Pride makes a god of self, covetousness makes a god of money, sensuality makes a god of their belly; whatever is esteemed or loved, feared or served, delighted in or depended on, more than God, that (whatever it is) we do in effect make a god of." How free are you from idolatry?
And yet you are in the middle of it all..Quote "covetousness makes a god of money, sensuality makes a god of their belly; whatever is esteemed or loved, and you preach on tithes, the love of money doctrine. Do I need to say anymore?

Christianity Etc › Re: Tithes And Offerings by brocab: 8:56am On Nov 15, 2017*

I agree-but ripping of the Church of God in tithes and offerings, is not walking in obedience, the law on tithing is a sin, and it does not bless you, it can't bless you, and it won't bless you.
I am not going to waste my time preaching to you, it doesn't matter how the Word of God is written, you heart is no where to be found, plus if we were brothers in Christ, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

OLAADEGBU:
Obedience is the shortest route to blessings.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Pentecostal Church Verses The Catholic Church. by brocab(op): 3:34am On Nov 15, 2017

How long has it been Uben, we are doing the same old, arguing over the Word of God, and still we haven't come up with any solution, unless the lord intervenes there's nothing we can do to change that, so until then, or we can do is sit back and wait..
Wait for what, you may ask, well I will tell you, I am expecting us to wait on God, unless you have a better idea" while we pray, we must know, no-one could answer this as good as He can, so it wouldn't be worth it, asking outside the square.
I am not going to tell you how to pray, I already know, whom to pray too, you pray to her, Mary, and I will pray directly to Him, Jesus.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Pentecostal Church Verses The Catholic Church. by brocab(op): 9:38pm On Nov 14, 2017*

I suppose they could, who's stopping them to marry, themselves, one would think-why would the priest want to marry while most of them have hidden agenda's.
Marriage could defect the purpose they became priest in the first place.

JMAN05:
Yap, singleness offers less distraction. But can a bishop in your church marry now?

Christianity Etc › Re: The Pentecostal Church Verses The Catholic Church. by brocab(op): 8:32pm On Nov 14, 2017*

As I have said: believe where your mind takes you to believe, you are mistaken I listen to the Word of God, apostles that wrote the bible, who weren't born in the 16th century as you believe, the 16 century was the time Latin was translated into other languages, and the bible was sent to every nation, and because Catholicism tried to steal the Word, God out smarted Rome, He opened a door so every Man Woman and Child around the world were set free by the Word of God and believed..
There's nothing to be proud off Uben, matter of fact the Catholic Church doesn't have a great story we could be proud off and boast, thank God for these men and women who risk their lives to help save another.
Christians lived by faith, believed in Christ, and died trying to send the message out unto everybody around every nation.
The Catholic Church believed murdering these men and women, would shut them up, so no-one will receive the word of God, Catholicism wanted to claim all God's Word under lock and key, for money power and control.
And God found faithful men and women who risk their lives in the name above every other name, Jesus.
The Catholic Church had hidden agenda's, which caused confusion between Romes Pagan religion and Christianity, Christ separated Himself from the Mosaic Law, both religions couldn't mix, and still today we can't mingle.
Peter was crucified, because Rome couldn't accept Christ to be head of the Church alone, Rome needed their pagan god's to stand with Christ.
And you are right nothings changed from the past, "inside the Catholic Church statues of pagan god's standing along side Christ.
I suppose this is something they won't remove, like the past, the Church will always bow down to something that's dead, before they bow down to the living.
Does this mean you won't answer my question, is the black African under the constitution?

Ubenedictus:
lol,

your bias is crystal clear. my doctrine is same with the early Church, my interpretation of scriptures is same with the early Church, you should be afraid, you follow teaching made up by men in the 16th century, and interpretations that can't square up with historic Christianity.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Pentecostal Church Verses The Catholic Church. by brocab(op): 7:31pm On Nov 14, 2017*

I wish I could make things a little easier for you to understand, but every time I write you seem to jump for glory, you jump straight in the defence mode. Not realising what I had just said, is true
Take it from me, your mother and father loves you, protecting you they would say the same, if they knew there is trouble heading your way-they will warn you or they will try and stop you from entering the dangers that lay ahead.
Why because they love you, and they care for you, like I do for the brethren.
Try opening your eye's and look at it another way, instead of running to your defence, take it as a learning.
And I am not aiming at Catholicism either, all Churches have problems, born again Christians have problems some refusing to believe, they prefer to spend more time worrying about the cares in this life, then they would spend time with God, claiming to be saved, but have chosen to walk among the wolves-because there heart can only follow after the world in selfishness, envy, strife, arguments, hatred, unforgiving, unrepentant, that's lending them to their destruction.
I could ask if you are saved under Christ Uben, but I believe you are saved under the banner of the Catholic Church, which means your Pope is God on earth, which means, he is your vicar the Christ? Jesus said: By their fruit we will know them, Uben I don't know you" believers grow in Christ-and preach His Word, Uben you don't grow to preach His Word, you preach another doctrine.
We study and learn the Word of God on all accounts, Catholicism is your account, true believers in Christ are changing from their old selves to their new selves, Uben you haven't changed since the beginning, nasty you are, and nasty you will stay, we believe in One God, One Word and One Spirit, you believe in two words, two doctrines and many spirits, ask the saints..
We pray to One God, you pray to many, we ask our mediator to pray for us, you have many mediators to pray for you..
{John 10:27} Believers recognise the voice of the Lord, and again you speak of another, Jesus said: His sheep knows His voice. Do you hear His voice.
The stories are told, that Catholicism can only hear the voice of Mary, "The 3 Children for instants..
Believers stop at nothing, we believe in one doctrine, One Lord and saviour, which means there's no other doctrines to fill our needs, none other can save us, "There's no room to be lukewarm in Christ..
{Revelations 3:16} Jesus said: Because you are lukewarm neither hot or cold, I will spue you out of My mouth.
A lukewarm Christian, is someone that don't walk nor talk with God, do you walk or talk with God? "Catholicism that believe in another doctrine had separated themselves away from the church of God.
Its a big difference between beliefs, and which God we believe, One God and One Mediator the Lord Jesus Christ..

Ubenedictus:
you have set yourself up as a judge, hahaha.

of course now your silliness is showing, you now are a judge for my soul and a judge for God since you claim to know who knows God and who God doesn't know.

have you ever considered that u are the person who doesn't know God?

Christianity Etc › Re: The Pentecostal Church Verses The Catholic Church. by brocab(op): 6:34pm On Nov 14, 2017

You can try and call the shots and believe what you please to believe, I look in all direction finding news about any religion that's up in spot lights every time I turn the page-listen I believe you, and I wouldn't think the Church would allow homosexual marriage. But these day's we cant be to careful-to whom we judge with this topic. I have heard some pretty strange things throughout the Church..
This is starting to be a problem, we have priest and pastors from all walks of life accepting these marriages in the Church.
If it's the law to marry, than you either stop marrying lovers, or you continual to marry whoever..I wouldn't like to do it, knowing it's against God to marry men with men. "And I pity the priests or pastors that does it.
The one world religion is not a conspiracy, this will happen in time, it's written in Word {Revelation 17:1-18}
As the great harlot, will be part of the end time scenario, the term harlot is used through the old testament, as a metaphor for false religion.
There are convincing arguments for the one world religion being Catholicism, Islam, and new age movement, or some form of religion, it hasn't been invented yet, and an internet search will bring about more possibilities and theories.
There is no doubt that some sort of a one world religion under the false prophet will be a part of the end times, perhaps made up of a number of different religions.
{Revelations 17:1-18} gives several characteristic's of the one world religion, the false religion will dominate all the people's and multitudes and nations and tongues of the earth. {Revelation 1:1-15} Meaning it will have universal authority, no doubt given by the Antichrist..
Uben I believe every Word that's written in the bible-maybe this is why we both lack faith with each other.

Ubenedictus:
this isn't about causing problems with me. the sinfulness of homosexuality is a dogma in the Catholic Church, it cannot be changed. a pope cannot allow homosexuality because Catholic dogma are irreformable.

of course that too is all over the news but you only chose to read the issue of the erring priest because of your bias.

of course you are back to your conspiracy theories about one world religion.

Christianity Etc › Re: Higher Everyday — Making Wrong Right by brocab: 11:59am On Nov 13, 2017*

In these last day's already we are seeing chances in the Church structures-slowly but surely, we are seeing chances in the body of Christ.
QLAADEGBU
I pray you have an open mind-and you allow yourself to listen to Paul Washer, this man is a true man of God, he can preach-he surely can preach the gospel, I pray the Lord sends faithful men to every nation, "Pastors that preach the glory of the Lord as well as this Pastor does, the world can only be a better place to live in.
Thank you Lord-you gave this man the ability to preach the truth, thank you Lord you have given this man the Word of God that had penetrated through this soul, through courage, strength, wisdom-and knowledge this man stands up on the pulpit having no shame that God had sent him to preach God's message to the Church..
It really makes a man think after listening to God speaking through this Preacher to a believer.
Are we really saved, do we really walk with God? How do we know we are saved-is it, because someone told us we are saved, some believe once saved always saved, how can this be, are Christians saved to live in sin all the rest of their lives?
I understood what this meant about one knowing if one is saved-the Lord had witnessed to me through the Word, I had read the bible time and time again, not realising what it actually meant, until I cried out to God, His Spirit opened up my eye's and I could see the Word of God living through me, my eye's are opened, and the Spirit of the lord-helps me see-His Word growing in me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SX_OBXg2Df0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8OR61p-gbU

Christianity Etc › Re: What Apostle Paul Had To Say About Tithes And Other Heretic Teachings by brocab: 6:13am On Nov 13, 2017*

Muslims believe in purgatory.
Muslims Believe in Hell
We all know Christians believe in hell. According to Christianity, people who disobey God and who don’t accept Jesus Christ as their personal savior will go to hell when they die. This is common knowledge throughout the Christian Church.
But what about in Islam?
Muslims believe in hell just the way Christians do except, that their concept of hell is a little bit different from that of Christians in the sense that they believe that for some sinners hell isn’t a permanent place of suffering as many Christians see it.
According to Muslims, the punishment that certain sinners receive in hell is temporary in the sense that these sinners don’t stay in hell forever. Certain sinners will be set free from hell and brought to paradise after paying for the sins they committed while on Earth.
The Catholic Church believes in purgatory too, so where did the Muslims retrieve their teachings?, Was it from the Catholic Church, or visa versa?

muslims too claim hellfire. What's left that they havent borrowed from christianity?

Christianity Etc › Re: What Apostle Paul Had To Say About Tithes And Other Heretic Teachings by brocab: 3:13am On Nov 13, 2017*

{Deuteronomy 14:22-14} Tithing is of the law.
The Mosaic Law of Tithing.
Moses finally came to the conclusion that a tithing system was necessary for the nation of Israel.
This occurred at the beginning of the second year of the Exodus. He told the Israelites that they should henceforth give a tenth part of their seed crops and fruit trees plus every tenth animal to the treasury in the newly erected Tabernacle. {Leviticus 27:30-33}.
The differences we have in Christ-we give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar, which is, his image on the coin, and give to God what belongs to God, we are God's image. {Mark 12:17}
Let me explain it this way-The face of Cesar was on the coin so he is saying give Cesar back his coins, and give God what is his, which is yourself. Your soul! Give it back to the one who created you.
Christ avoided the question to avoid being caught in the trap but the answer he gave was of great literary and teaching meaning.
Our souls are worth more to The Lord, than coins.(taxes) are to the Roman tithers.
Most Christians would rather twist this scripture to sound like His asking for the money, it is not about money, this scripture is about giving to God, He isn't interested in your money, His interested in His created beings.

tayday31:
People, the person who wrote the last entry b4 this one I am writing hit the nail on the head.
The tithe was never a part of the Mosaic LAW. But it IS apart of our COVENANT with Yahweh. Everyone wants to think that the pastors and leaders want people to give tithes to "fleece" the sheep, as someone said on this forum, when in actuality, there are conditions and benefits that come with giving the tithe. READ IN ITS ENTIERTY...Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings. 9Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation. 10BRING ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and PROVE me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it. 11And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the LORD of hosts. 12And all nations shall call you blessed: for ye shall be a delightsome land, saith the LORD of hosts
Verse 11 Says THE LORD OF HOSTS SAID IT. When did he start UN-SAYING it!!! I will answer that for you,,, NEVER! Again the tithe was NOT apart of the 10 Commandments. It was a SPIRITUAL COVENANT for the priests (Read Malachi Chapter 2) In the days of the tabernacle there were 2 sects of people who tended to the things of the temple, the Levites and the Koathites. Both made sure that the High Priest and his family had ENOUGH to eat when them and the congregation finished eating.. In other words, meat in the storehouse, Which is still in operation today. Not so pastors can ride around in Jags and wear bling all day either. The tithe was and still is for the STOREHOUSE. NOT the pastors pockets. Unfortunately there have been pastors over the decades that have abused this scripture so now the true pastors of Yahweh have to re-fleece and reteach the tithe to the sheep. Its not about giving "mammon" its about being a figurehead in the local community so that when there is a need in your community, people do not need to go to the government for assistance (which btw is TOTALLY unscriptural) they go to the house of GOD. The Pharisees and the Roman Government did not give the Jews one red nickel! but the were always ready and willing to collect their taxes. We read all day that Jesus says to render unto Caesar what is Caesars but we stop there. We don't read the REST of that scripture which says what? RENDER UNTO GOD what is GOD"S (Mark 12:17). So, now we have the originator of this form (which has a very good handle on the scriptures for contextual value but lets look at CONTENT.) Are the sheep of our pastures MATURE enough to give to Gods storehouse that which is sustainable for the upkeep of Gods house? In other words, give what you want to give sheep because you're mature enough to hear the Voice of Yahweh as to what's needed. We want the blessings of God but we cannot be trusted to give 10% to the work of your local church. We pay more attention to what the Pastor does with the tithe than being obedient to give it!!! Unbeknownst to us, we spend 10% of our paycheck on frivolous stuff at Target Wal Mart and McDonalds and Starbucks like its nothing but moan and complain about keeping 90% when God has blessed you to have the job and the promotion, you cant stretch your faith 10% beyond your normal giving as a first fruit offering which NEVER was done away with, in order to bless the work of your local ministry Are you serious And we wonder why homeless people Single mothers etc cannot go to Gods house for help financially AND SPIRITUAL counseling to go with that I might add, because the people of the house are robbing God but reaping the benefits of good teaching and counseling themselves. Sounds like the Pharisees to me. Jesus called them White Washed Tombs (Matthew 23:27). Knowing it all (the letter) but missing the SPIRITUAL intent. But were the first ones to cry God is good and I'm blessed! NO, you say you say youre blessed because you're COMFORTABLE where God Nerve wants us to be comfortable BUT in HIM and him only. So most of the above forums (with the exception of the one b4 this one) miss the WHOLE point. NO, you do not HAVE to give tithes as a prerequisite for to get to heaven but the WORD says ye are cursed WITH a curse, not because ure not a nice person and you give to charities and community events etc. THAT IS NOT TITHE that's freewill offering, which is ok but it is NOT the WHOLE WORD OF THE LORD. And 1 more thing. We should NOT expect people who want to twist and contort scripture to disqualify a truth. Giving the tithe was not a LAW but it was a TRUTH. The truth makes us all free from the bondage of poverty and a lifestyle that is not contusive to spiritual living (John 8:32). Its funny that some people on this forum try so hard to disprove tithe paying but let me ask those of you a question, would it be a bad thing to just GIVE it not wondering about if it is any longer scriptural? None of us can out give Yahweh anyway. Nowhere in scripture does it say you are or will be cursed if you practice a type of giving that is "supposedly" defunct. Yahweh said PROVE him didn't he? That word prove is a faith concept When did that (faith) ever become unlawful?

Christianity Etc › Re: What Apostle Paul Had To Say About Tithes And Other Heretic Teachings by brocab: 2:46am On Nov 13, 2017

He isn't he is just sharing the Word of God, man the bible is full of verses that backs up against tithing, tithing is of the law, and you are cursed if you continual to obey them.
We are used by God to spread the truth, to the nations, Jesus said: go out unto all the nations and spread the gospel.
We are spreading the gospel-like He say's to do, and still the world comes against us for doing such..
Listen to yourself...

Datope:
@ Kunle Oshobu,:

21But test and prove all things [until you can recognize] what is good; [to that] hold fast.

Thank God you'[/b]ve been able to recognise that which is good, after testing and proving.

Please let [b]others also test and prove all things until they are able to recognise that which is good and to that they should be able to hold fast - Just like you.

Please stop making that YOU alone have recognised as truth to be a basis.

My 2 cents once again.

Ciao

Christianity Etc › Re: What Apostle Paul Had To Say About Tithes And Other Heretic Teachings by brocab: 2:33am On Nov 13, 2017

In Christ we are givers, but if your pastor fills he needs to preach tithing every week shows he, nor you are in Christ.

Datope:
@ KunleOshob

I keep wondering whats with you and tithes.

I want you to always remember that there are two sides to every coin.

If my pastor or anyone can twist the bible for me to pay tithes, anyone be it pastor or not also can twist the bible for me not to pay tithes.

In as much as it is not expressly written in the bible as: Woe unto you that PAY tithes or woe unto you that DO NOT pay tithe[/b]s - We should learn to give our brief and let the holy spirit lead us as Christian.

It is expressly written in the bible that "[b] the fool hath said in his heart, there is no God" yet so many do not believe in the God's existence. I think we can start tackling things from those areas that are boldly written in the bible.

This is just my own 2 cents. Ciao

Christianity Etc › Re: What Apostle Paul Had To Say About Tithes And Other Heretic Teachings by brocab: 2:15am On Nov 13, 2017

They have strong conviction about tithing, only because they were taught to tithe.
We were taught to tithe at the beginning, but through the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, He set us free. It's out duty to bring the truth to you, The Word of God have given you verse after verse, and still you refuse the scriptures, tithing is of the law, and cursed is everyone who obey's that law.
{Galatians 2:21} I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteous comes through the law, then Christ died in vain.
{Galatians 5:4} You have become entangled from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by the law, you have fallen from grace.
{Galatians 3:10-12} For as many as are under the law are under the curse, for it is written Cursed is everyone who does not continual in all things which are written in the book of the law, And that no-one is justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for the just shall live by faith, yet the law is not of faith, and the man who does them shall live by them.
We are of faith, not of the law, tithers are of the law, and not of faith.
{James 2:10} For whoever keeps the hole law, and yet stumbles in just one point, he has become guilty of all.
The law had 613 laws attached to it, you obey one, but you don't obey the 612 laws, you break one law you have broken them all, and you have broken them all, you don't tithe the way God had told His people to tithe..
{Galatians 5:2} Mark my words, I Paul tell you, that if you let yourself to be circumcised, Christ will be of no valve to you at all.
Do you circumcise?
{1 Timothy 6:3-5} Men of corrupt minds destitute of the truth who suppose godliness is their means to financial gain.
Jesus said: From such withdraw yourselves.
Its just a matter of time, you will realise tithing brings in lukewarm Christians of the street, people that don't need saving, but need the money..

duality:
Kunle, I’d like to know the ministry you fellowship with.{ Jst being curious }
i.m not new to this forum, coz I know your stock-in – trade is to open controversial threads about Christianity . As if your life depended on it .
I jst said you could say, stop paying taxes ; after all its being misappropriated
You see, doing this would not stop people who have strong conviction about tithing; b/cos they have Gods blessings to show for it. So IF YOU DON’T HAVE THE CONVICTION , THEN DON’T PAY. Haba!
It seems you don’t read those threads u create coz no matter all you say people still believe in tithing.
So save urself these stress and let God be the judge. Coz YOU ARE NOT GOD.

Christianity Etc › Re: TB Joshua Returns N500,000 Tithe To Elderly Woman by brocab: 1:06am On Nov 13, 2017

And TB JOSHUA should return N500,000 to everyone, since the money doesn't belong to him in the first place.
TB doing one good deed, doesn't make him Superior towards God, if TB repented and gave to return everything he had stolen from God's people, in tithes and offerings, if he'd decided to sell his houses, his planes and cars, and everything else he had stolen from the poor, and followed Christ, then he will be a better man.
{2 Corinthians 9:8} Moreover God has the power to provide you with every gracious gift in abundant's so that always in every way you will have all you need yourselves and be able to provide abundantly in every good cause.
It takes a true man/woman of God, to stand up and admit they are wrong, and if TB done just that, the Lord Almighty will bless him with abundances..
And if every Pastor turn from their wicked ways, get on their knees and Repent, the Lord will by no means reward them, taken them into His arms, and forgive them.
The bible say's {Matthew 6:33} Seek first the kingdom of God, and His righteousness, and all things shall be added unto you.
It Word doesn't say: first seek how to rip off the kingdom of God, with your wickiness, and all things shall be added unto you.

Christianity Etc › Re: Many Churches Are Still Following The Law Of Moses. by brocab: 1:18pm On Nov 12, 2017*

{Galatians 4:21-26} Tell Me, you desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law?
For it is written that Abraham had two sons; the one by the bondwoman, and the other by the freewoman. "But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman of promise, which things are symbolic. For these are the two Covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, Which is Hagar-for this Hagar is Mount Sinai Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is in bondage with her children, "But the Jerusalem above is free, which is the Mother of us all.
So those that stay's under the law, is of the bondwoman, and those who are free from the law, is of the freewoman..
Tithers, you are under the law..

Christianity Etc › Re: Answers To Jehovah Witnesses Devil-inspired Questions About JESUS CHRIST!!! by brocab: 12:07am On Nov 12, 2017

JW's Repent ask the Lord for your forgiveness.
{Matthew 3:2} Saying Repent for the kingdom of heaven has come near..
{2 Chronicles 7:14} If My people, who are called by My Name, will humble themselves and pray and seek My face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land..
JW's this is your chance to study the scriptures, do you realise this is the Word of God speaking to all the land.

Christianity Etc › Re: Reasons Why Tithing Is Irrelevant Under The New Covenant by brocab: 2:15am On Nov 11, 2017*

{Galatians 2:21, 3:10, 5:4} Tithers believe righteousness comes through the law, and Christ died in vain.
And we know, for many as are of the works of the law are cursed; for it is written "Cursed is everybody who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law.
Tithers believe that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the gentiles in Jesus Christ through tithing.
Is the law then against the promises of God certainly not" For if their had been a law given which could have given life, true righteousness would have been given by the law.
But the scripture had confined all under sin, that the promise by Jesus Christ might be giving to those who believe, But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed.
Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we must be justified by faith. "But after faith had come we are no longer under a tutor.
Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing, "And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the hole law, {Tithers} you have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law, {Tithers} you have fallen from Grace.
These are the scriptures Pastors refuse to preach to their flocks..
I was speaking with a Pastor the other day about tithing, he agreed with the Word of God, he was taught to tithe, and the Church he pastors for expects him to tithe and preach tithing, he said: he understood, because his heart never felt to tithe, but with his mind, he believes tithing is biblical through the Church to preach to the believers, tithing helps the people to give..
To be honest he doesn't know God, nor does God know him, if he knew God, as he say's he does, if he had listened to Paul, he would know tithing-he had estranged himself from Christ, and he attempted himself to be justified by law, and he had already falling from grace.
God does not send Pastors to tithe nor preach tithing, Pastors the lord said REPENT! Church REPENT ask the Lord for your forgiveness, and turn from your foolish ways, Pastors that spend all their time on sermons such as these, and tithers who don't study the Word of God-don't know God, nor does God know you.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Pentecostal Church Verses The Catholic Church. by brocab(op): 11:23am On Nov 10, 2017*

See it as you see it, it doesn't mean you are right to judge, this priest is from the Catholic Church and decided to tell his story.
Already the priest had caused problems with you, but that doesn't say, he had caused problems with other religious believers, I myself don't like what I am hearing, nor do you, but what can we do about it, he wrote it, as he had meant it.
I posted it, to give an example-this is some of the rubbish we hear that's coming out of the Catholic Church, and with this sort of junk no wonder people like myself don't agree with Catholic beliefs; "You can't change that, neither can I, this priest wanted to spread his news across the net for everybody to see..
It doesn't matter if this is true or false-Read it once more...
{In the other hand I suppose you maybe right, priest are now turning to marriage-after searching the net I manage to find this--Priest claims Church could accept gay ‘marriage’: ‘It would be wrong to fight against it’ TORBAY, Newfoundland, June 30, 2017 (LifeSiteNews)
A Catholic priest helping to run a gay-Pride ‘multi-faith service’ says that the Holy Spirit could direct the Church under Pope Francis to change its teaching on marriage and sexuality to accept gay “marriage.” And, if the Holy Spirit did so, “it would be wrong to fight against it,” he said.
“It's not like this was a teaching that was established in the time of Christ, or in the first three centuries, or by the Council of Nicea, or even by the Council of Trent,” said Fr. Paul Lundrigan, a pastor in active ministry at Holy Trinity Parish within the Archdiocese of St. John’s, Newfoundland, to LifeSiteNews.

As we can see, if this above is right, and the priest do have a positive attitude towards marriage, than the next question is, to whom and what sex? Gay marriage will be legalised in every country, and what Pope Francis believes Christians and Muslims are all brothers, and all those in favour put up your hands, will the Church marry Children too, Like the Muslims do..
I have followed Pope Francis travel's, he bowed down to the Muslim god, trying to bring all religion to reunite back to the Catholic Church..
For Pope Francis to be recognised to other religions around the world, he must first deny Christ, Muslims don't believe Jesus is the Son of God let alone He is God, expecting everybody to be reunited in one Church, everyone must first believe in the same One God? "Not god's..

Ubenedictus:
you have managed to find 1 erring priest who I know will be corrected by his bishop and you have used him to judge the Catholic Church that actually reject gay marriage, and of course you forgot about your Protestant churches where your entire councils vote for gay marriage and even have openly married bishops and pastors.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Pentecostal Church Verses The Catholic Church. by brocab(op): 11:10am On Nov 10, 2017*

If I wanted to bash Catholic's, I wouldn't have to leave my home, nor spend most of my time sharing the Word of God over the net.
If you are interested in my protestants comrades, trying looking for my name in the tithing section, you will see, I have also written to many protestants that tithe.
I am not against you, I have been sent to witness the Word of God, praying it will someday open your eye's, because whom you worship is a false god, and your religion won't take you anywhere near to be with the Lord.
Believe if you will, but the truth will set you free..
I am not lying, the truth is Uben, God doesn't know you, and you don't know God, if you knew Him, we wouldn't be having this discussion.. And I would like to add, Repent before the Lord asking Him for your forgiveness, and turn from your foolish way..

Ubenedictus:
I don't need to play any game. you opened a thread to Bash Catholics and then went to all the trouble to misrepresent what Catholics believe, even when you were corrected you didn't bother to correct your self. you are the one standing in judgement. you opened a thread for it.

when last did you open a thread to bash your fellow Protestants?

I don't need to accuse you of hypocrisy, it has began to show.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Pentecostal Church Verses The Catholic Church. by brocab(op): 10:57am On Nov 10, 2017

Why is it, with you Uben, is it just you, all is it every Catholic, everybody I have written too about anything to do with the Word of God, always come back, with a complaint, brocab hates us, I write because I care, you have no idea where you, and the rest that deny the Word of God are heading, believing in another doctrine is not the best road to take.
Believing all in Christ is..
I am up for a descent discussion, religion isn't your topic, if you are willing, lets try talking about something else, I asked on another page, does Africa have the same constitutional rights as the white people, I ask this because in my country, we don't have the constitutional rights, when it was written my elders were slaves, and slavery didn't come under the constitution.

Ubenedictus:
no sir you are not here for a sincere discussion.

if you did you wouldn't have pasted misinformation about what Catholics believe and would have corrected it immediately you were shown it is untrue.

of course you don't care for anything sincere your aim is to paste whatever you think presents Catholics in bad light even when it is untrue.

Christianity Etc › Re: Reasons Why Tithing Is Irrelevant Under The New Covenant by brocab: 11:49pm On Nov 09, 2017*

Most pastors are of the street, or just out of prison, men of corrupt minds destitute of the truth who suppose that godliness is a means to financial gain, from thief, from drug's, to preachers, learning new Technic's how to make plenty of money without being investigated by the law.
Disbelieving preachers working for the man, preaching other doctrines running large Churches, not paying taxes, ripping of God under the constitution.
Legalism in Church have allowed criminals from all walks of life to teach unbiblical tithes and offerings that causes disputes and arguments over words, from which come envy strife, reviling evil suspicion.
{From such withdraw yourselves}

Christianity Etc › Re: Tithing: Where Does The Money Go? by brocab: 11:48pm On Nov 09, 2017

Of the street, or just out of prison Pastors, have learned new ways how to make plenty of money without being caught by the law.
Legalism in Church have allowed criminals to turn a Church into a business, that's earning monies they themselves couldn't of made in a life time on the street.
Pastors preaching to be paid.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do People Find It Difficult To Pay TITHES? by brocab: 11:46pm On Nov 09, 2017

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Pastors Prefer Malachi To Deuteronomy When Preaching About Tithe? by brocab: 11:38pm On Nov 09, 2017

Men and women on drugs, drink, porn, and everything else that follows, these are prayed for..
It's the Church that needs our prayers, believers in Christ who have one foot in the door, and the other in the world, Christians that come to Church on Sunday, who does bible studies and fits in with the crowd are the ones that needs our prayers.
Young people coming to Christ-because mummy and daddy are Christians, they say to their Children, which way would you prefer, to be with Jesus in heaven in all His glory, or spend eternity burning in hell! Of course the Children will say they would rather spend eternity with Jesus, then Mummy and Daddy will say 'now say this prayer, and everything will be alright, you are saved.
Most Christians believe once saved always saved, this isn't true, those who are truly saved, are led by the Spirit changing for Christ.
{Romans 7:18-19} Paul makes himself clear, how he feels after sinning, "But now it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me, {that is, in my flesh} nothing good dwells, but to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find. For the good that I will do, I do not do, but the evil I will not to do, that I practice.
This is a heart of a Christian living for Christ.
Are people coming to Christ for the right reasons, most of the time Mummy and Daddy haven't a clue where their Children are, they can pull the wool over their parents eye's, but they can't pull it over God's.
But not only the youth are to blame, of the street, or just out of prison Pastors, have learned new ways how to make plenty of money without them being caught by the law.
Legalism in Church have allowed criminals to turn a Church into a business, that's earning monies they themselves couldn't of made in a life time on the street.
Pastors preaching to be paid.

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