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dolphinheart:
That is why I asked him, as I have the view that he is catholic, what criteria did they use in compiling the bible if he views that there are other books that are inspired!
Can you see the dilemma?, if he claims that his church is perfect because they selected some books out of a whole lot of books,and compiled it without giving reasons and criteria for the selection, what stops another church from claiming perfection by doing there own different selection!

The main criteria used was to figure out what books matched up with the Church's sacred tradition (i.e. [1]Was the book written by an apostle or someone who was reporting the words of an apostle. [2] how much the book was being used by other bishops and priests in their Masses [3] how often the book was quoted by the Church Fathers in their writings.) Only the books which “scored” high on all three of these criteria made it into the canon.

There was only one church in the first 1000 years therefore the compilation was done by the bishops of this one church. Looking at Christianity with 21st century eyes always causes confusion because you see the thousand's of different denominations and think it's always been so.
It was one church that was given the power to bind and loose, it still does so today - no other church comes close to even claiming this right.

[quote author=OLAADEGBU post=39604148][/quote]You're probably not aware that where the OT is quoted in the NT, this was mainly from the Septuagint. Even your protestant brothers agree with this e.g. (G. Archer and G. C. Chirichigno, Old Testament Quotations in the New Testament: A Complete Survey, 25-32).
The fact is the Septuagint contains the seven deuterocanonicals. Even the Orthodox and Copts use these books.

Don't you think it's the person who removed these books in the 16th Century that Satan messed with?

You make some outlandish claims that you could never back up. like linking Satan with the Catholic Church! Do be careful bro and try doing some research other than what you get from Matt Slick and gotquestions.

As we honour all the saints today,may we continue to open our hearts to the grace of God.
Have a blessed day.

Anas09:
@ Uben.
You know as well I do, that every idea is first concieved by one man, who nurtures it, then sells it to his audience.
The Idea of Mary (The Queen of Heaven) being venerated beyond what she is or was, started in the mind of someone. Praying to her and the Saints, instead of Christ as the only MEDIATOR between God and Man (1Tim 2:5).
I hope you know who the Queen of heaven is, according to Jeremiah 7:16-18

The idolatry in the Catholic religion started in the mind of a man, just like Charles Tass Russel, who sat down in a corner of his room and took justice away from God, thereby concieving the idea that God is too loving to purnish the wicked by letting them go to WHERE they choose to go(hell fire). It made sense to him, he then sold it to his audience, what do we ve today in that regard? JW.
What about Joseph Smith? What abt Muharmad of Arabia? It starts with one man.
So @ Uben, the name the man who thought it wise to replace the names or Biblical characters with the Greek and Roman deities,and then showcased them as mediators instead of Christ, may not ve been documented for the world to see, but we know it all started with a man concieving that idol ridden Religion, then selling it to the then power drunken men who wanted to rule the whole world.

They were not Christians and are still not.

For he that is called of God, speaketh the word of God. Not the traditions of the CHURCH. For 'even if an Angel from heaven comes and preaches a different Gospel from the one we have preached to you, let him be Accursed'

Where does your argument end though? How about those who say the story of Jesus is a myth and conceived by one man? Do you know that a lot of people do not believe Jesus is God and should not be worshipped?
At what point did this idea of catholic teaching coming from one man arise? Are you aware there have been several documented church councils where teachings have been declared just like in Acts 15? - E.g. that God is a Trinity.

The Catholic Church does not teach or practice Idolatry. It's even written that all generations will call Mary blessed. Do you realise she delivered and nutured our saviour? The Church declared a lot of teachings including honouring Mary and other saints; and surprise, surprise what to be considered Inspired scriptures.
To understand why Mary is referred to as Queen of heaven, You need to understand that in the Davidic kingdom, the King's Mother was always the Queen(e.g. 1 Kings 14:21; 15:9-10; 22:42 etc). Jesus as King (see Luke 1:32-33)has his mother as the Queen - but you'll probably won't understand this theology as you fail to realise that the OT foreshadows the NT. and the numerous parallels.
The logic of your argument is flawed.

OLAADEGBU:
"Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me. If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself" (John 7:16-17).

Search the scriptures for they speak of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Obviously, you search the scriptures as they are profitable for teaching etc. However, you understand scriptures within the tradition of the church that declared them as scriptures. I 'll like to know how the Christians from the 1st 3 centuries knew what writings were scripture and how they practiced their faith, because it's easy for you 2000 years later( after all the hardwork and persecutions) to come up with what you think is correct!!!

Ironically the scriptures where declared as such because they fit with the Church's tradition. You'll not even know that the gospel of John is Scripture without the church telling you so. Simple

Another Catholic Church basher! why do you believe in the scriptures that the CC put together?
It's easy to come in 2000 years after the event to make claims after teachings in councils etc.

If it doesn't matter what the original church is ,why did Jesus establish one?how do you know/confirm the correct teachings?
How do you get uniformity in teaching as per Acts 15 on Gentile circumcision?
How do you know what the books of the bible are?
Whether Jesus is fully God and fully Man?
Whether Jesus is God?
Whether God is a Trinity?
Whether the holy eucharist is the actual body of Christ?
Whether Baptism is necessary for salvation?
Whether you worship on Saturday or Sunday? Etc

These teachings were declared by the early church.
If the original church is not Catholic(Orthodox separated from this in the 11th century ), where is the church established by Jesus?

Rich4god:
Abeg o.... Make una help pray for my mother.... She's been sick for like 3 days and despite the treatment, she is not getting better.

Greetings,
We pray for God's healing power on mother through Jesus Christ our Lord.Amen

plappville:
Prove it from the bible that Peter was in Rome. And the pope is a successor. There is one head of the Church is Christ. As christ is the head of the church so is the husband to the wife. Nothing like visible. Catholic with visible things. Thsts why do much idols in the church. .

It's historical fact that Peter was in Rome - even Protestant Scholars believe this. Read the early christian writings from the church fathers to find this out.
It's also historical fact that the apostles had successors including Peter. An example of succession is seen in Acts 1:21-26.

Yes Jesus is the head of the church and King. Please look to Isaiah 22 to find out how the king gave the keys to his servant Eliakim to become effectively the prime Minister with attached authority. Jesus was quoting this scripture when giving the keys to Peter in Matthew 16.

In any case, where does it state that everything that happened in the early church is recorded in the bible? Where is the list of books that should be in the bible recorded in the bible?
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If the allegations turn out true she's certainly in a lot of mess. I just wonder why people can't do a fair day's work for a fair day's pay?especially politicians. The money involved in those deals would go a long way in providing jobs for the masses.

oyadanoz:
u stand to defend pop that is making noise. tell me how many country does he visit in a week.
how do u expect someone to minister in diferent country there need for it. as for pop he is only trying to gain porpularity by critisising men of miracle.

It's not mandatory that a pastor visits all countries in a week. running a private jet is extremely expensive, minimum of $1m dollars per annum. I'm sure a church can find more beneficial ways to use money.

BTW,the pope seeks no popularity. There's no need for it!!

DoubleDeeX:
Sorry to disappoint you bro...none of the apostles of Christ was a member of the Roman catholic church or any denomination! Just because the Bible was compiled by the early Catholic Church doesn't mean the wrote or own and have authority over it; which was why they couldn't add their carnal traditions to it because it wasn't written by them. No one has authority over the word of God! It is the word of God that has authority over people.

The early Apostles started many gathering of the gospel of Jesus Christ (Church of Jesus Christ) in different places with the same doctrines and teachings which were all scriptural; the epistles of the apostles were exhortations and explanations of the teachings of Jesus Christ and mysteries of the old tastament which was already in existence as the holy scripture. There was nothing like the Roman Catholic Church and its branches back then...it was Church at...this and that place; with same teachings and doctrines!

Well, believe whatever you want...I will hold on to the Bible and personal revelation from God, you can hold on to your Catholic doctrines...The end will tell who has the truth.

Acts 17:11

And the people of Berea were more open-minded than those in Thessalonica, and they listened eagerly to Paul's message. They searched the Scriptures day after day to see if Paul and Silas were teaching the truth.

^^^

As you can see the scripture has been in existence before it was compiled. If Apostle Paul's teachings were verified from the scriptures, then I believe it's safe the say the scriptures has authority over all and not the other way round.

I can only Smh at the folly of any man who thinks his Church has authority over the word of Jesus Christ and those of the Prophets of old. Try studying the Bible bro, don't just follow like zombie...God is in His word! Do not be deceived, salvation is a personal thing!

Shalom!

The apostles and early christians were part of the one church that came became known as the catholic church to distinguish it from the heretical gatherings of the time.check st Ignatius(bishop of Antioch) writings from the 1st century.
So the apostles gathered all the scriptures,.where do you find this and how do you know that Hebrews is scripture for instance? You'll find that the apostles wrote to churches that were already in existence before the NT books were written

Following your point on the Bereans, how come the Tessalonians did not agree with Paul’s teaching after going through the same scriptures in the preceding verses Acts 17:1-10 but tried to put Paul into trouble?? Also,New Testament books were not completed at this point, so the Bereans were looking through the OT. I wonder why the majority of Jews never accepted Jesus as Messiah after all they’ve been reading the Torah for Centuries. This does not even prove that the NT books are scripture .

The church was given the authority to teach what is correct.the declaration of what books make up the bible being one of these truths.

birdman:
I beg to disagree. The pope can request that plane anytime he wants. It is reserved for him. In essence, the state itself has bought a jet for the pope.

Now compare that with a pastor preaching a sermon in one city on saturday night, and another sermon in another time zone the next morning. Obviously driving is not feasible. Neither can you carry all your staff for 4-5 hour wait at the airport every weekend, assuming you can even find a flight when you want. Have you ever flown a 12 hour flight before? What evangelist is going to try a world missions trip lasting a 3 months flying every two to three days. Even Reinhard Bonnke, on moving to the US, needed a private jet. God so kind, he found a preacher that gave it to him for free!

Are there carnal christians and pastors that lust after jets because it is a status symbol? Yeah. But there are also carnal christians, like you, who think all there is to a plane is the status symbol. The plane is a tool. Its very effective for Ceos, vps , presidents because they can get from point a to point b quickly. . And it is a very effective tool for moving significant ministry resources from point a to point b at a moments notice

A commercial plane is chartered when the pope needs to travel and the cost is usually subsidised by the travelling journalists. This is a lot cheaper than owning a private jet. No state has bought a jet for the pope.

DoubleDeeX:
The truth is discerned by the holy spirit! If you don't have Him in you, you would never understand the things of God. For you not to know that everything that has to do with the compilation of the Bible we study today was programmed by God Himself shows that you are spiritually blind. Do you think God will abandon His word when the scriptures says "He honors His word above all His names" (Psalm 138:2)?

Many are called but only a few are chosen...Any teaching that is contrary to the teachings of the early Apostles as compiled in today's general Bible is not from the spirit of God; it doesn't matter who compiled the Bible because God can use anybody to do His will. Have you ever wondered why those who compiled the Bible never added those Catholic doctrines and traditions in it even when the had the power to do so? With their so-called papal infallibility, the Catholic Church would have easily smuggled anything they wanted into the Bible but the Lord never allowed it because he was using them for His purpose.

God uses whoever He wants, at any given time for His purpose....He created all things for his pleasure, His counsel shall stand and He will do His will. Even unbelievers are used for God's purpose...Just like he used King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon to enslave the Israelites for their disobedience and King Cyrus to free them (After 70 years in captivity).

Some of us are "revelated"....without the spirit of revelations you would never understand the things of God! To you the book of Timothy is an "ordinary book" but the spirit of truth in me knows that it's the word of God! You Catholics err too much for thinking that God would abandon His word to a point that no one would recognize which is "truth"....whatever is inspired by men would show its carnal nature but that which comes from God is like fire that consumes, like hammer that breaks a rock in pieces and sharper than any two edged sword...

This was what he said of Cyrus (An unbeliever King);

Isaiah 45:13

I will raise up Cyrus to fulfill my righteous purpose, and I will guide his actions. He will restore my city and free my captive people without seeking a reward! I, the LORD of Heaven's Armies, have spoken!"

His purpose for raising the Pharoah of Egypt in the time of Moses;

Exodus 9:16

And in very deed for this cause have I raised thee up, for to shew in thee my power; and that my name may be declared throughout all the earth.

In conclusion;

Proverbs 16:4

The LORD has made all things for himself : yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

Anything contrary to the teachings of Jesus Christ, early Apostles and Prophets of old is not of God....They are the foundation of the entire household of God, Jesus Himself being the chief cornerstone. The Lord Changeth NOT!

Shalom!

So it's the holy spirit that has led to countless contradictory doctrines within the different denominations?and you accuse me of being spiritually blind!!

You believe the catholic church was used to compile the scriptures but you believe the same church is not a follower of Jesus. How do you know it got the scriptures right? Where did you get your information that God used the church?At what point did it stop being God's church?

The church teaches the truth, it has the power to bind and loose .It is this authority that's been used to declare the correct teachings e.g the books of the bible.

You have no guarantee of the Apostles' teachings except the church tells you and all you've stated is just taking things for granted after the centuries of disputes,schisms, councils etc

Believe what you wish but don't think you have the authority or pedigree to decide who is a follower of Jesus or not.

OLAADEGBU:
Revelation 5:8

The main verse The Roman Catholic Church uses to support their idea about Mary hearing prayers is found in Revelation 5:8. Let's take a look at that verse in several translations.

• NASB, "When He had taken the book, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each one holding a harp and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints," (Revelation 5:8.)
• ESV, "And when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints," (Revelation 5:8.)
• NAB (vatican website¹), "When he took it, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each of the elders held a harp and gold bowls filled with incense, which are the prayers of the holy ones," (Revelation 5:8.)

Nothing in that verse says that anyone hears the prayers of the saints. It is a figurative context and is not explicit. So, what do commentaries say about this verse?

• "The saints' prayers are to be identified with those of 6:9–11 and 8:4ff., which call for divine vindication of martyred believers and which are both directly linked to judgment of the ungodly."²
• "prayers of saints—as the angel offers their prayers (Rev 8:3) with incense (compare Ps 141:2). This gives not the least sanction to Rome’s dogma of our praying to saints. Though they be employed by God in some way unknown to us to present our prayers (nothing is said of their interceding for us), yet we are told to pray only to Him (Rev 19:10). Their own employment is praise (whence they all have harps): ours is prayer."³
• "The preciousness of all believers’ prayers (“the prayers of the saints”; 8:3) to the Lord is emphasized as they are described as filling gold bowls in the presence of God."⁴
• "This does not mean that Christians on earth can access believers now in heaven. It is a symbolic reminder that God remembers the prayers of His people . . . "⁵

Of course these are Protestant commentaries. Catholic ones would interpret it in favor of Mary being able to hear our prayers. But again, does the text actually say that they hear the prayers? No, it does not. The saints in heaven offering the prayers doesn't mean that they can hear the prayers of people on earth. The Roman Catholic Church has read a doctrine into the text.

Now, even if it were possible that this verse could be interpreted to mean that the saints in Heaven can hear Christians' prayers, which I don't assert is legitimate, it still does not mean that Mary can hear the prayers of people all over the world, simultaneously, both thought and spoken, and in different languages. Since Revelation 5:8 does not tell us exactly what's going on, the Roman Catholic Church should not read into it very much at all lest they exceed what is written (1 Corinthians 4:6) and violate Biblical truth. Nevertheless, let's take a look at what catholic.com says about that verse.

"As Scripture indicates, those in heaven are aware of the prayers of those on earth. This can be seen, for example, in Revelation 5:8, where John depicts the saints in heaven offering our prayers to God under the form of "golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints." But if the saints in heaven are offering our prayers to God, then they must be aware of our prayers. They are aware of our petitions and present them to God by interceding for us."⁶

If the people in Heaven are aware of the prayers, it doesn't say how they are aware. I am aware that my friends pray to God, but I don't know what those prayers are unless they tell me. I cannot read people's minds, nor do I hear the prayers they give to God unless I'm physically present with them and they're speaking out loud. So, the Roman Catholic church is stretching the verse beyond its intent and not being logical in its examination. The Catholics are committing the interpretive error called eisegesis.

To be continued...

you doubt God's power if you feel Saints can't hear our prayers. Although the exact mechanism isn't known, the church teaches the beatific vision enjoyed by saints. Accepted by faith as with other christian teachings.

As an aside, a simple air traffic controller can see several things happening at once on 1 screen, listen in to pilot discussions etc and make decisions.if this can be done on earth,you don't think even greatly more can be done in heaven?

DoubleDeeX:
I only Smh at the level at which Catholics walk in darkness! The deceptions in their teachings are worse than that of the Quran On a more serious note, these people are NOT followers of the teaching of Jesus Christ. It's another religion entirely LOL

Well, that's what happens when you don't study your Bible...It's written;

2 Timothy 2:15

Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Will you also class the catholic canonisation of the bible as a deception? How do you even know that the book of Timothy is scripture?
You've outrightly decided that catholics are not followers of Jesus. At what church council was this confirmed?
You've got your own understanding of what christianity is but that doesn't mean it's correct.
Every teaching of the church has been disputed by one group or another but the truth has still got to be taught no matter how absurd it sounds.
Jesus is God - some denominations don't believe this.
God is a Trinity- some denominations don't believe this.
Likewise,the teaching on Purgatory.
How does one discern the truth?

Anas09:
Stuff like this makes Catholics don't study the Bible for themselves, if they do, their idealogies will be Shattered.
I mean, can the Op seriously say he is a Christian? A Bible following, Holy Spirit led Christian? Like really? Thank God they refer to it as "The Catholic Religion", for that's what it is, a religion.

Catholics study the bible and do it with the Church's guidance as it's always been. The church is the pillar and foundation of truth.
It is the same church that decided what the bible is, not individuals deciding for themselves. Jesus never said oya everybody take your bible and decide yourself.He left a guiding church(guided by the holy spirit)
Talking about ideologies, it is the inumerable protestant denominations that teach doctrines based on each pastor's interpretation.

Please go back to Acts 15 to understand how the church has always worked. It declares the correct teaching for all the faithful . Purgatory is one of those teachings just like Trinity, the books of the bible,communion of saints etc

OP,but you trust the bible that was put together by the same catholic church!!
How do you guarantee that the book of Hebrews is the word of God for example?who is the author of the book?
Another one who’s stumbled on some anti catholic material and suddenly thinks they're an expert on historical christianity!!

Amerinancy:
I was born a catholic, trained a catholic, believe in Catholicism, but God opened my eyes. If not for Gods revelation no man would have ever saved me, because I believed it to death. To all Catholics, come out. I renounced Catholicism after I saw the real secret of this cult. The same church that murdered Anyone who didn't agree with it. Constantine joined Roman paganism and church. They have also infiltrated it into the world to remove shield secularism.

keep praying and searching for the truth, you'll eventually come back to the Catholic Church. There have been many like you due to poor catechesis.

You'll find that your history is way off(mainly Jack Chick or Loraine Boetner's views)and they've been debunked.God bless

Amerinancy:
The bible was written by men inspired by Gods Revelations. It will be hard for you to understand because, the devil won't let you. You are on your way to hell, and you think you feel better? Funny tho. Ask God almighty to open your eyes, he will. Even scientist are begining to believe and prove the bible and God is above them baby!!!

you only know the bible because the Catholic Church told you. How ironic,with all the bashing!!

OLAADEGBU:
Get to know Jesus Christ who is the OT concealed and the NT revealed.

How is this a valid response to what I posted and who says I don't know Jesus.
Jesus Christ (king ) was paraphrasing Isaiah22 20▶.what do you think this meant in speaking to Peter?

OLAADEGBU:
So you expect every statement I make to be quoted verbatim from the Bible.

This is how the verse will read in the Greek tenses:

"Whose soever sins you remit, they shall have been remitted to them"



Again there's a play on words here. In Greek, "Peter" means petros, which is a small stone, whereas "rock" is petra, meaning a great rock mass, solid and immovable. The Rock is Jesus Christ on which the Church is built upon and not a small stone, Peter. It was Peter's great confession of Jesus as the Creator and Son of the living God was the massive rock foundation on which Christ would build His Church.

The word "Church" that Jesus used here in Greek is ekklesia, meaning the called out assembly in the NT. This Church built by Christ consists of all who agree in mind and spirit with Peter's great confession in the biblical reference you quoted earlier on.

The Greek scholar! you really need to look into how greek uses feminine and masculine words.In any case, Jesus would have said in Araimaic (you are kepha and on this kepha I'll build my church).
Peter is referred to as kephas by Paul.
Please also look into the full context of what Jesus said.

OLAADEGBU:
Those keys were not literal keys. What you supposed to take as literal you allegorise and what you suppose to take as a metaphor you take it literal.

The figurative key that Jesus used was to open the way of salvation for those hearers who will respond to the gospel message. Peter representing all the apostles used the key to open the door to the Jews and Gentiles respectively.

please read Isaiah22:15-25 to get a better idea of what Jesus meant by handing the keys to Peter.
Jesus the King was giving Peter authority as Eliakim was given authority by king Hezekiah.

nwaanambra1:
in all his speech at the white house, he did not preach the gospel, he did not mention nor quote the bible - he was just all abt climate change! then i begin to wonder, is he the pope of the christian faith or pope of science!

christianity has really lost it! from pastorprenuers to worldly popes that doesnt giv a damn abt the gospel!

He's visit to the white house is more as a head of State/moral leader. Please watch the remainder of his pastoral visit the rest of the week.

mmsen:
I don't want Nigeria to become a global tourist destination if it means having to accommodate filthy oyibo pederasts as is the case with Thailand, Cambodia and Vietnam.

No thank you.

Tourism is good for the economy and will create lots of jobs.
Tourism in Nigeria will be more like it is in the Caribbean or other African countries rather than the countries mentioned due to cultural norms.

OP has some good points,however ,a typical tourist is not aware of these due the poor image of the country. The country needs to be known for something good and tourists will troop in.no 1 will be to sort out the security issue.

Tourists would rather go to Tunusia, Morroco or Egypt even with their issues. Also visa on entry or visa free option for tourists will really help.

Receiving God's transforming grace via water and spirit(to be baptised).

OLAADEGBU:
We do not attain grace but obtain it by faith alone in Jesus Christ. And if you truly believe that Christ's sacrifice paid for the penalty of our sins then why do you seek to add your works to His completed work of grace? [b]You believe that He has to die repeatedly every time you partake in the mass ritual[/b]and yet you say that He paid once and for all. How contradictory is that?

Why do you have to falsify catholic church teaching to get a point across? The CC teaches that the sacrifice of the mass is a
re-presentation of the one time sacrifice at Calvary. Jesus said - this should be done in his remembrance.

OP, no rev father is a law unto himself.Report the matter to his Bishop,there is hierarchy in the church.

This denomination is not part of the Catholic Church, it separated from the catholic church decades ago and their female ordinations are not recognised.
They are in communion with the Anglican Church.

Female priestly ordinations are not carried out in the Catholic Church.

Greetings all.

OLAADEGBU:
6. Sacred Tradition equal to Scripture:

CCC 82, ". . .the Church, to whom the transmission and interpretation of Revelation is entrusted, does not derive her certainty about all revealed truths from the holy Scriptures alone. Both Scripture and Tradition must be accepted and honored with equal sentiments of devotion and reverence'."

Could this be true?

Very simply,this is true . You'll find reference to tradition of word and letter in 2thess2.
Not everything is contained within the written scriptures(you'll even find the bible saying this). Jesus left a teaching church that was to be guided by the holy spirit in order to reveal what it received by word or letter.

Jeromejnr:
Judas too was a disciple of Jesus. He healed the sick, preached the word and casted out demons.

Demas who was Paul's partner also was used by God. But what happened?

They later went out of the Way.

So that the Catholics were used by God to put the bible together does not mean they are right in all they do. it does not mean they have not gone out into strange doctrines in some areas.

Better watch watch you believe.

Very intriguing. So what gives you the guarantee that the Catholic Church got the canonisation of the bible right if they can be wrong on faith & morals? As you believe in Sola Scriptura,this is very important.

You state 'strange doctrines',how do you think the pharisees and some others felt when they heard Jesus' teachings?Why was he crucified? Because something is strange doesn't automatically make it wrong. E.g. Jesus was born by a Virgin- this we believe in but don't you think others find this strange?
Jesus rose from the dead- I'm sure you believe this but could some people find this strange?
One wonders how you guarantee what you believe?