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totorimi:
Well, even if we can excuse it for Nigeria, knowing how we are with maintenance culture, such should not be said of Heathrow airport with all their service excellence and customer centric posture.

Ever since they allowed all manner of people into Britain, I don't know what the country is turning into. When i googled their management team and saw some names I knew exactly what has befallen the great Britain is very serious indeed. A whole the Queens country using bucket to hold water at the main entry into the country. Anyway it is not our country it doesn't concern me.

Even developed countries have to wait for the roof repair man. The difference is they won't wait months or Years to fix the roof and chop the maintenance money, unlike in Nigeria.

I'm aware there's been unsually heavy rain in the last 2 days in the Heathrow area, this probably contributed to the roof leak.

Heading doesn't match write up.I don't get how lBB was the most intelligent leader -because he has a farm!!!

sekundosekundo:
Compiled by Catholic to deceive the gullible. Catholics and Idol worshipers are the same.

But you believe the bible books are scripture as compiled by the same Catholic Church?!!!!!

I doubt the OP wanted this thread to become another Catholic Bashing thread!! OP may want to get posters back on track.

Military man walking behind, really not necessary in a civilian Government.

Gbogbo big girl!!

Jokerman:
Lolsss... I am the follower of the Lord Jesus Christ and I follow after his words ( the Bible )....
Where did Jesus give the authority to the Catholic Church...? Abi na Catholic be Peter (Literally speaking)??
Jesus referred to every believer of His, ok... not specifically d Catholic church...moreover was the Catholic church the first at Antioch, Greece? ?

Jesus gave authority to the church he established, we see this in Matthew.
This church was later in the first century referred to as the Catholic Church in order to separate it from the heretical groups forminf at the time. (Please read early church fathers letters - Ignatius to symaneans, Irenaeus against heresis etc http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0109.htm

It's an historical fact that Peter died in Rome and passed the Bishopic of Rome on via Apostolic succesion.
the church in Antioch was part of the unversal( Catholic )Church . Check Acts 15 to read how disputes where settled via church council (this carries on today)

Jokerman:
Authority of the Catholic church??

Except you can confirm that it was your church's GO who decreed the biblical canon in AD 382, or your church convened the synod of AD 393 or 397(Hippo, Carthage) that further confirmed the canon, then yes the Authority of the Catholic Church.

Jesus establised a church and gave it authority to bind and lose.That church continues to do so today just like we have governments who make and uphold laws. Except you can point to another church that does such.

Tkayhandsome:
St Theresa pray for us..
Rubbish.

Catholic is a cult.

under which authority have you declared this.
I smell ignorance.

Jokerman:
Devil is infiltrated this Catholicism. .....

How exactly? You guys are so ignorant.
You're probably not aware that it was the same authority of the church that canonised the books of the bible.

How come she didn't make the Guinness book of records? 120 years would have made her the oldest in the world.
Naija and poor record keeping.

solite3:
i have no time to argue with you.

Rather you've no points to argue with.

I've given you some points unfortunately you have no valid rebuttal.

I'll suggest you do a proper research on the Catholic Church before you make rehashed anticatholic statements. Good day.

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I laugh when you said the roman catholic church was the church Jesus established.
Go and do your research, find out when the roman catholic church was formed and stop spewing ignorance.
For your information, the gospels where used by the early churches ( not roman catholic) hundreds of years before roman catholism but those so called other books were unknow.

I’ve done my research and the Church founded by Jesus in the first century on Peter is the Catholic Church. This is historical fact which you cannot debunk.
Unfortunately it appears you have note read my responses. Where is this so called early church that preceded the CC, surely there must be evidence for it? Please let us have this info.

You said "the church is the body of Christ who possess faith in Christ."
You are correct although you might not know what you are saying cause if you do you would know that roman catholic fails this test.

Please let me know how the CC fails the test of professing faith in Jesus. I am Catholic and what you’re saying is news to me with no substance!!

CATHOLIC CHURCH WAS NEVER THE FIRST CHURCH NEITHER IS IT THE TRUE CHURCH

Ok back up your assertion with facts. Where is the church Jesus established? Certainly, it must exist as Jesus said the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
According to you when was the CC established?

thank God you said that the sola scripture is not false.( although this has contradicted your earlier claim)
Which means protestant are right to use it.
That so called sola scripture has declared the catholic church false

I don’t think you read my response properly. SOLA SCRIPTURA is a false doctrine started in the 16th Century.
SOLA Scriptura is the teaching the scriptures are the only rule of faith. This is false because the premise the itself cannot be proven within the bible. Also, the bible does not tell us what books make up the bible.

Also goes against several scriptures where we are asked to hold on to sacred Tradition as well as written scriptures. E.g. 2 thess 3: 15

What has been declared as Scripture (by the CC by the way via Tradition) is correct. However, scripture is not the only rule of faith – you cannot discount sacred tradition.

E.g. via Sola Scriptura, a lot protestant denominations teach that the Holy Eucharist is not the body and blood of Jesus. By looking at the scriptures within the sacred tradition context, we know that the Holy Eucharist is the Body and Blood of Jesus.

Paul wrote that what he wrote down are what he preaches no different.

Where did he say this and how do you know that Paul’s Letters are scriptures?

Any tradition that goes against the scripture is false and of the devil.

Agreed, where does Catholic tradition go against Scripture? Plus I’ll reiterate that the Scriptures themselves were declared as such via Tradition. Please careful what you class as coming from the devil


You’ve got nowhere to hide, you have stated that the CC is false. You have got to back it up. Unfortunately, you’re not a very good debater and your responses are weak.

[quote author=solite3 post=48791537]author=btoks post=48789079]

@ bold the NT convenes the teaching of the apostles.
Other books were not inspired.
Letter of clement contains excerpts from the new testament this goes to prove that although the bible had not been compiled but the books were used and were recognised as the inspired word of God.

These are all assumptions that you’ve gleaned through tradition of who informed you.
Where are the teachings of the following Apostles - Andrew, Bartholomew, Philip, Thomas
Were Luke and Mark also Apostles? –
Who authored the book Hebrews?

Are you aware the author of the gospels are anonymous and we only know their identity via sacred tradition.
How do you know 1st Clement and Sherphard of Hermas are not inspired but 3 John or Philemon are inspired?

may I ask you who are the church?

The church is the body of Christ, the members who process true faith in Jesus Christ
The context of the verses sent to you imply the hierarchy of clergy /leadership of the church as they are the ones who received the blessing directly from Jesus (as with the Apostles) and from the Apostles (as with the Elders, Bishops, Deacons Etc).

We know that soon after the true church was established, some groups started separating themselves thinking they had the true teaching- there had to be one original church.

And you think the church is roman catholic?

Without a doubt. What other church did Jesus establish and were is it today?
About 110AD, we read St Ignatius referring to the real Church as Catholic in one of his letters.

See that you all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as you would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is administered either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude of the people also be; even as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. —Letter to the Smyrnaeans, Ch 8

You may also want to read the Nicene creed that refers to the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.

@ bold which part of sola scripture is false?
What Paul preached is what was written down.

Nothing was hidden.

Scripture itself is not false but is not the only rule of faith. It required a look into tradition to declare the scriptures as scriptures. This points to an authority outside of the scriptures alone

Sola Scriptura is the Protestant teaching that the written Scripture alone is the only rule of Faith.
This teaching is false because the assertion itself cannot be proven within the bible

Not all of Paul’s teachings are written in the bible as you clearly see when reading his letters.
Also, he letters were written to established Christians who had been practicing for decades.

[quote author=solite3 post=48748465][/quote]

even if the early Christians did not compile the the bible but the books/letters were read and their tradition clearly reflected the teaching of the apostles.
So your argument is baseless.

And you think your response is not baseless??! I'll ask the original question again - How did the NT books of the bible become scripture?
Are you aware that the 1st Letter of Clement, Shepherd of Hermas etc were also read by early christians

It does not matter whether those churches still exist what matters is that we have the bible

So we have bible. This is the ‘taking things for granted’ syndrome. Where does it says in the bible that it doesn’t matter whether the church exists?

Do you know your statement directly contradicts:
1 Tim 3:15 - if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God's household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.

Matt 18: 15 – 17 "If your brother or sister sins, go and point out their fault,>>>>>>>> If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector.

sola scripture This has finally proven that roman catholism is not Christianity.

Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Galatians 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

You see, it is easy to spot a false doctrine.
Any doctrine that goes against the solar scripture is false.

Except you want to tell me the solar scripture is false.

Sola Scriptura is a false doctrine that came out in the 16th Century with Martin Luther and other so called Reformers. It was never thought for the 1st 1500 years. What you have with sola scriptura is a bunch of people feeling they have the right interpretation, guess what has happened since – More than 30,000 denominations with mostly conflicting doctrines.

Try to follow your argument through properly. You have now brought up another verse in Galatians!! How does this prove Sola Scriptura? Doesn’t it say ‘preached unto you’ – How has preached become written and where does it say Galatians is Scripture?

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The authority and the authenticity of the bible lies in the bible.
The four books of the bible are in total harmony with the other books.

I’m afraid this is a weak argument. I asked how you know the 4 books of gospel are scripture, the same question will apply to all the books of the bible (NT in Particular). Where within the bible does it state what books constitute the bible?
Do note that the early Christians for about the first 400 years had no complied bible. How were they taught and how did certain books become part of the biblical canon?

I think you are confusing roman catholism with Christianity.
Christianity has been around hundreds of years before roman catholic.
The old testament itself speak about Christ, their rejection is as a result of unbelief

Catholicism is Christianity(No confusion), I don’t know what this has got to do with the question asked.
If Christianity was around 100's of years before the RCC, please let me know what church that was and where it is now.

I think you’re hiding away from a fact that we know the NT is scripture as confirmed via Catholic Sacred Tradition.

1 Corinthians 4:6 And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes;
that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written,
that no one of you be puffed up for one against another.

Unfortunately, this verse tends to be misused in defending Sola Scriptura

Let’s do this logically,
Through sacred tradition we know 1 Corinthians was written about AD 56, does it mean the following scriptures (John's Gospel, Acts, Romans, 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, Philemon, Titus, 1 & 2 Timothy, Hebrews, James, 1 & 2 Peter, 1, 2, & 3 John, Jude, and Revelation) written after AD 56 are not scripture?

Please read the verse properly within context, could he have been referring to the OT at this point ( what’s written in the book of life as per Exodus 32:32-33) or the OT in general.
Also look further along to 1 Corinthians 11:2 where Paul praises the Corinthians for holding fast to the traditions just as he had handed them on to them.
Did Paul even know what he was writing was scripture?

[quote author=solite3 post=48730442][/quote]Could I ask- how do you know the 4 books of the gospel are scripture? Where is the inspired table of contents within the bible?

How do you know who wrote the gospel according to Luke?

What is your guarantee that the NT is scripture and needs to be followed? Judaism rejects this for instance.

Where does it say within the bible that it is the sole rule of faith?

Many have used the same false arguments against the catholic church and ended up becoming catholics themselves. Keep treading ,you'll eventually know the truth.(you don't bite the hands that feed you, comes to mind)

Check out
Scott Hahn, Steve Ray, Tim Staples

jejemanito:
Only SA Has My Respect. Take Away Kenya's Geographical Advantage And They Wouldn't Even Qualify For Any Event.

Geographical advantage is absolutely nothing in sports without hard work, determination and support.
It could be also be said that Nigeria has all kinds of advantages e.g. largest population in Africa, genetic advantage of fast twitch fibres to aid spriting, natural waterways to aid rowing/swimming, favourable weather etc. but what have we done with these over the years.

Well done Kenya, they know their strength and invested well in it to ensure they succeeded.

TonySpike:
The UK model might not succeed. If you think that model can work, take a look at Pension Funds management in Nigeria.

I suppose everything boils down to management, whatever approach we go with.

As a potential source of money for sports development funding, I do think it's worth looking at lottery. Obviously, the issue of management and corruption is one big problem in Nigeria.
I just wonder how else we get funding !

I wonder whether the UK model of using part of the national lottery to fund sports development could be tried in Nigeria.

Will certainly test our organisational skill in setting up and maintaining a national lottery.

Pylony:
You'v got facts and you're scared to quote those verses clearly for all to see? Since you knw its not ever body that will have to get marry, then you should also agree that not every priest is meant to be keep away from getting his own family, quote or unquote it was never an obligation in the bible to be a celibate but a choice, to who ever finds it fit. The Catholic makes the decision for people when every man has the the will to decide how he or she works with God according to his or her capacity celibate or Married. And if not every Prophet of God was able to get married due to reasons best know to them, then it do not mean that celibate Prophets where made above all many others who did have families and still work with God effectively. Are you sayiny Jesus would support a man who will do away with his fatherly responsibilities just so as to become a priest, since you think Peter would have to let go of his responsibility as a husband and father to follow Christ?

There are several ways to serve God within the church and they all don't require a vow of celibacy - e.g. lay evangelists, permanent deacons etc.
This celibacy thing has been in place for over 1000years and the church guided by the holy spirit decided to put it in place as a discipline not doctrine. It could be changed if deemed fit.Just like any organisation has it's rules, so does the Catholic Church.

It's not celibacy that's the issue here, it's just man's tendency to fall into sin. You'll find that there are more issues among married pastors/priests/lay men with adultery, peodophilia , abuse etc.

This is no improvement in the grand scheme of things. This same news could have been written 30years ago.
Don't want to hear about MW this or that, when do we get stable power supply is what concerns people.

Long way to go,as vast development is still required.

Rossikki:
Bro, to even be on that field of the last 8 countries in the Olympics relay shows we are a major athletics power. Do you know how many countries there are in the world? Nearly 300! And we're in the top 8. And you're saying they should ban us from the next Olympics? Bros chill abeg..

I think OP has only used hyperbole to describe the situation.
Coming 8th in the final is nothing to be proud of and we are not a major athletics power any longer, considering our woeful performance at other events.Actually, It's debatable whether we've ever been a major power at world level.

Our performances have been in decline in recent decades and we need to do something about that rather than our typical lack of preparation and support. (then relying on miracles!!)

JAWBONE:
There is No record of Peter being made the leader of a particular church denomination in the Bible or handing over to a Linus

All of Christian history is not recorded in the Bible. You'll find a lot of info from3rd century historian- Eusebius church history.see the following excerpt from his book :

Chapter II.—The First Ruler of the Church of Rome.

1. After the martyrdom of Paul and of Peter, Linus576 was the first to obtain the episcopate of the church at Rome. Paul mentions him, when writing to Timothy from Rome, in the salutation at the end of the epistle.577

Follow this link for the whole book
 http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf201.iii.viii.iii.html
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Misleading title. Usain was jogging the last 40metres.Oduduru was flat out throughout

JAWBONE:
If you say peter was the first pope and other popes are his successor...can u tell then who was the second, third, fourth.... etc and trace their lineage to this generation.

Easy one ,as there is a lot of recorded history about popes in particular
List of popes:
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12272b.htm

Good job, but this is no innovation.
There are several videos on YouTube that show you how to make the same thing and even better e.g.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_-I2VSw2OU

We've got a long way to go to get that innovative mindset in Nigeria, otherwise we would have sorted out the power, road, healthcare, education issues plaguing us in the country.

soulpeppersoup:
Is not seriousness is money. Don't be surprise that US budget allocation for Olympic is bigger than our national budget and yet we cannot service the nation budget effectively.
Which of those nation did you hear of borrowing to service their budget?
Money is seriousness.
Many fielded more than one slot in one event while we were still trying to fill one slot.
Poverty is laziness.

I agree.
I suppose it's a chicken and egg situation. Until we become serious about the things that matter in our country, we won't generate the money needed to have a big budget in sports for example.
These developed countries have got to this point because a long time ago they decided and became serious/focused to make their countries great.

soulpeppersoup:
Your statistics is one sided with this question.

How many representative do the best performing nations have against the least performing nations in the on going Olympics?

Compare the budgets of the nations represented at the Olympic and you will agree with me that the best performing nations have higher Olympic budget.

Critical thinking is not always when is against God, use your head.

I think the point OP made is valid.
The top performing nations have sent bigger teams and have bigger budgets because they take sports seriously as they do other sectors.
Until other poor performing nations do the same, they'll languish at the bottom.

It's a shame that the majority of films listed are foreign. Nollywood needs to step up!

BascoVanVeli:
God bless our basketball players. Despite missing 2 strong NBA players we made it more than difficult for the number 2 team in the world. That coach is amazing and i hope we can keep him.

Would have been better if we had won though.History books would just put it down as a loss to Naija team.

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