₦airaland Forum

Omudia11:
You have no case here. The catholic has the worst history so just you know. The early catholic carried out killings, beheadings, dropping of people in boiling oils and water. You should focus on those and leave the Pentecostal Church out of this.

There's an old saying that goes - you don't throw away the baby with the bath water.

Granted, there have been sinners in the Catholic church that committed grave sins(the actual details are debatable by the way).
Do we forget all the marvellous things the Catholic Church has done because of sinner's' activities??. E.g. safeguarding christian tradition, the canonisation of the bible, definition of the trinity, the Nicean creed, the definition of the nature of Jesus Christ, the gregorian calendar , influential in forming the earliest schools and universities, the largest charity outside governments, keeping moral beliefs in the face of opposition (against abortion, contraception, gay marriage ). I can keep going, just too many.

EbolaParasite:
All this epistle won't change a simple fact. All you have to do is ask people trying to get passports in Nigeria. The passport issue is from Nigeria. How many times do i have to explain this. The high commission has its own issues no doubt about that but the current scarcity of 32 page passports is from NIGERIA. 64 page passports are available. Your grievances should be towards the nigwrian immigration service and the nigerian government. The current scarcity is not unique to the UK. Ask around

Also you say why are they charging you? Again point your grievances to the NIS and the Nigerian govt. They are the ones responsible for the passpoet fees

The so called scarcity of 32 page passport is not a new issue,it's been going on since 2015 in UK. This is a ploy to get more money off people. I mean, how many people need a 64 page passport that's only valid for 5years!! You'll need to travel more than 100 times internationally to use up the pages.

I'll think it's a lot easier to print 32 pages and this should have been sorted out a long time ago.

So many issues with that place and our processes!
I see things haven't changed since I was there in Jan 2016.
I posted the below at the time - of feeling ripped off about fees and lack of 32 page passport
https://www.nairaland.com/2849439/nigerian-passport-renewal-uk-feeling#41749289

okunfemm:
I think there is need to leave all dis tradition which are not scriptural and face the essentials of the bible. Pls dis question

Did jesus put on ash

Did jesus command it & say do it in remembrance of me like Lord supper

Is the priest our Saviour or Jesus

Is through the putting of ash that cleanses our sin... What about d blood of Jesus that was shared on the cross.

Enough of all this jamboree & idol worship.

Lent has been observed even before the bible was formally canonised as preparation for Easter- you can't just throw away valid chrisian tradition because it doesn't fit with your particular modern tradition.
Even the bible was put together based on tradition (do we throw that away as well!)

oluseyiforjesus:
LASEMA are trying dis days,
Meanwhile; if you think ds is accident 'Like' if you think is Sacrifice 'share'

Where someone has died?!!!

RIP the child.

If it happened in the manner it's described, surely that was careless from the mother. Got to check what you're giving a child always

Would love it when these Royal people and Government can routinely take public transport in Nigeria.

DONSMITH123:
The Presidency, on Thursday declared that President Mu



[b]According to Adesina, “Mr. President will not speak to Nigerians because he has a right to his vacation, we don’t need to intrude.”

If this comment is true, what an idiotic excuse!!
There is right , there is also common sense.
A man whose absence is causing a lot of uncertainty in the Nigerian polity needs to calm these fears by giving a brief address. We've got a lot way to go in Nigeria - smh

jammyunn:
this is your original comment.

I didn't say highest number of league titles.

I was using highest as a synonym for 'top'. As I couldn't remember what the top league was called.

In essence, Chelsea won the top (highest)league in the past.

Read the first line of this article for the use of highest. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_football_champions

jammyunn:
in the 50s, Chelsea won the top league in England once in the 54/55 season. But you said they won the highest in the 50s(1950-1959).

My original comment was a broad statement saying Chelsea had won the league in the past - I never specified how many times in the 50s.

I could also state that Blackburn won the league in the 90s, it doesn't mean they won it every season in the 90s.

(Replace highest with top )

Unbeliever:
which English leagues in which 50s? Please google is your friend

This wiki article will give you details!! Chelsea won the 1st division (highest league at time) in the 54/55 season.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1954%E2%80%9355_Football_League#First_Division

Chelsea won the highest English league in the 50s. That is history if you ask me!

SIRKAY98:
My Toilet 5n pass dis London sef.
London Full of old structures like Lagos State Polytecnic Ikorodu Campus Buildings

This your toilet - lol.

I'm sure you meant quality structures in London!! You won't hear of structures collapsing in London even though a lot of them are over 100 years old.
The structures were built to last and they sure bring in tourism for UK.
I wish we had quality old structures in Naija.

dingbang:
Story seems sketchy.... So in all those years, she didn't summon courage to report to the police? It was when she got tired she went to report..



Something is definitely not right somewhere

If the story is true, it could be that the girl fell into a psychological condition known as Stockholm Syndrome. Please see link.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome

Certain victims just give in to their abductors/ or sexual abusers.

If the minister wants to expose the corruption , he just needs to employ investigative journalism (via one of the media orgs) - hook some hidden cameras to a number of trucks. We'll soon see who's extorting . Simple.

Same can be done in other sectors .

freecocoa:
It's not your place to say what would or wouldn't have happened, what may or may not deter him or who should die for the country to be better, if it's so important to you, you go and die for the country and let the ones who choose to live for good reasons be. Your so called "right thing" is very subjective here, the right thing for him to do as a responsible father is, remove himself from any thing that threatens his life, try as you might, you can't take that away from him.

Tuface doesn't owe you or Nigeria anything more than he has given, so quit the hatred and bitter remarks against him, the most you can do as a sensible person(like you are trying to project) is, be indifferent about his choice, period.

Everybody's entitled to their opinion, it's a free world.
You won't find any hatred or bitter remarks from my comment and there's no need responding with a personal attack.


Look back through your responses to others and give yourself a dose of what you're preaching regarding bitter remarks.
Good day and good luck.

freecocoa:
What is your definition of 'chickening' out? Is a peaceful protest supposed to cost anyone's life? Why should a reasonable person put themself in harm's way, when he shouldn't? His safety was not guaranteed and at this point, his safety matters to him and his family? Will you father his kids if he died as a result of the protest?

Must he go to prison for Nigeria to be better? Y'all keep shouting "Mandela" like it is actually the law that someone goes to prison before citizens are given their rights, Abeg make we hear word.

As we all know, leading or partaking in a peaceful protest is not a crime. If that's all Tuface intended then no amount of threats should have deterred him.
Heck, most of us have received threats from just driving or simple encounters with police - this doesn't stop us from carrying out those activities.

Unfortunately, until each of us is not afraid of doing the right even in the face of threats, we'll never move forward as a nation.

mickeymimi:
all these bad comments will just make him feel bad and cry the more...not nice

If we look at it from the other angle.
He would have got a lot of praise and be etched in history if he had gone through with the protest.

Ce la vie

baysol:
Then lets sue them for using Nigeria for exploitative commercial gain by naming a project that add no value what soever to Nigeria as an entity.

Hahaha, Togo will also sue all the Ewa Agoyin sellers in Nigeria.

eazyjakes:
Then stick to ur BBA instead of BBN....d program loses its sense of identity when u do so.....it's more like hosting African Cup of Nations in London!

You'll be surprised - some NBA and American football games are played in UK.

It's all about commercial value.

Splinz:
Understand something first. You do not choose on your own to join/belong, it is God that calls people into His Church (John 15:16, 6:44 & 65).

If truly you seek the true Church, then seek for it and you shall find according to Scriptures.

Wow!!

But which church is the true church ?

alcmene:
Uncompleted building dey rome

Coloseum - uncompleted building!!
That structure has been around since the 1st century. Many gladiators shed their blood there. Huge tourist attraction now.

bakynes:
I agree with the guy you quoted let the FG leave him in peace. If not am sure another full scale pipeline bombings will resurface in the delta.

He has had alot of his money and assets seized so as compared to other politicians who stole us blindly and are still walking[b] free he has paid a small price for his crimes so just leave him alone in peace.
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So far all his cronies are still in the delta state govt including the current Governor, he will bounce back finiancially.

If there's evidence that he committed crime in Nigeria,then he needs to be tried and convicted in Nigeria.

There should be no sentiments with Justice

Wrap up warm peeps.There's a cold snap in London.
Enjoy

analice107

You say this because you do not know the real essence of Baptism to signify Death, Burial and Resurrection. If we were taught the significance of Baptism we wont be fixed on defending falsehood. Until some years ago, i was standing where you are right now saying the exact same thing in defends of my Church.

And how does this make pouring or sprinkling method any less valid than immersion? Where does it say baptism can’t be done that way? i'll take the what has been practiced through antiquity as led by the Holy spirit over your novel interpretations. Christianity didn't start last month.

By the way, you know absolutely nothing about me to conclude that you were once where I am ....... I’ll say just focus on facts and take out sentiments

When you start reading the Bible sincerely desiring to please God, your eyes will open.

Oh yes, it is good to read the bible. What we don't want is to end up with thousands of different denominations with conflicting doctrines because most people just read through their own lenses and interpret personally.
The bible books were written in a time so far removed from ours, it makes sense to read the scriptures within the context of historical Christianity. Jesus established a church to ensure the truth was taught and Scriptures interpreted correctly.

These has nothing to do with denomination, at least for me, it had no connection because i was immobile for Ten years. For those years, i didn't attend any church, so i was forced to read the Bible for myself.
I Desired to know Christ personally first by reading and following what he says. But before then, i almost fell of the religious wagon.

i was angry with God why he'll allow what happened to me happen, then, JW came, l almost went with them too.

I hated myself for a long time. I was right inside fresh flowing water but had soap in my eyes.

Seek God through the eyes of the scriptures. The Word of Gods speaks right back at you. Seek him away from all noisy doctrines.

[/quote]So for you it's every man and his bible. Is this what Jesus taught? And do you see unity with this approach?

It's like saying every Nigerian should carry the Constitution and interpret themselves. While they may understand a few things, isn't it ultimately the courts that provide the correct interpretation.


How did you decide by yourself that the books of the bible are in fact scripture?

doctoralien

btoks,
Please, Jesus Christ did not establish the catholic church which we have today. The RCC was established when pagan Rome gave the bishop of Rome its powers. The catholic church claims that its head is the pope, but we know that the head of the true church is Christ, not a mere man(Eph. 5:23). Jesus left a group of people who were obedient to GOD, and lived by the Scriptures.

Please let me know where the church Jesus established is today as the gates of hell can’t prevail against it.

Nobody disputes the fact that Jesus is the head of the Church, in fact he is God. We also know Jesus is King. Please go to Matt 16: 19 and see how this parallels Isaiah 22: 15-24 ( where the king in the Davidic Kingdom gives the keys of the kingdom to Eliakim – [prime minister] with all the power to act in the King’s name) This prefigurement is fulfilled when Jesus gives the keys of the kingdom to Peter, whose successor is the Bishop of Rome ( known as Pope) as all the prime ministers in the Davidic Kingdom had successors.

Jesus left no NT scriptures, these were only written and canonized decades after the ascension. He left a Church

Organising a group of churches under a certain bishop doesn't mean apostolic succession. This is very akin to the way the Jews continued to reiterate that they descended from Abraham. We know Jesus' answer to them.

Through Apostolic succession a bishop can trace his ordination to one of the apostles. The apostles ordained Linus, Clement the successors of Peter in Rome, who in turn ordained others; thus Apostolic Succession. The succession can be traced to bishops in our day.
The apostles laid hands on other disciples, not every event is recorded in the bible, we also have to go to tradition to found out what happened.

Please see following quote from St Iraenus in 180 AD ( within a 150 years of Jesus’ ascension) –
Since, however, it would be very tedious, in such a volume as this, to reckon up the successions of all the Churches, we do put to confusion all those who, in whatever manner, whether by an evil self-pleasing, by vainglory, or by blindness and perverse opinion, assemble in unauthorized meetings; [we do this, I say,] by indicating that tradition derived from the apostles, of the very great, the very ancient, and universally known Church founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul; as also [by pointing out] the faith preached to men, which comes down to our time by means of the successions of the bishops. For it is a matter of necessity that every Church should agree with this Church, on account of its preeminent authority,that is, the faithful everywhere, inasmuch as the tradition has been preserved continuously by those [faithfulmen] who exist everywhere.

The blessed apostles, then, having founded and built up the Church, committed into the hands of Linus the office of the episcopate .........[size=8pt]

Research well, you will see that the rcc is doing sun worship. It's so cleverly disguised as christianity. Satan is clever. Could you please leave sentiments and try to see if your church is going the way Jesus wants it to?

Ridiculous statement. If the CC is doing sun worship, why would it pretend it doesn’t!!

Please, don't even think that the catholic church wrote the scriptures. Paul referred to Scriptures even in his own time. The Bible is the only creed of doctrine, not human traditions

.[/quote]Paul referred to the OT – there were no NT books in his time – these were yet to be declared as scripture.
Even the Bible itself required an authority outside it to declare it as the Word of God and no where would you find in the Bible that it is the only creed of doctrine. Jesus left a teaching church to be guided by the Holy Spirit

AishyWemsy:
Someone sent this to me. If u understand Yoruba it is so funny.lol

Nigeria yi ti gbogbo wa ni (iro nla).
Ko ma gbodo baje (toti baje tan).
Tori kosi ibomiran ti a le lo (London, Canada ati America nko?).
Ajo o le dabi ile (eje Kalo naa).
Eje ka sowo po
ka fimo sokan (eyin melo?).
Gbe kemi gbe (owo n romi).

If King Sunny Ade catch you as you dey mess him song!

analice107:
Wait, let me remember how long ago i left Catholic Church. hmmm... not that long. And i never saw any one baptized by immersion. And i happen to come from where there's plenty of water bodies.

Immersion is not part of Catholicism, almost everyone in my immediate and extended family are still catholics, so more or less, am stills in there. There's nothing i don't know about it.

the use of pouring was very likely to address a practical issue as the church grew. every nook and cranny of the world does not have living water (i.e rivers ) running through them. You see this pouring as an option in the didache (in effect the first christian catechism) from the 1st century.
The point of baptism is the use of water and the baptism formula (father, son, Holy spirit ) as directed by Jesus, not the baptismal method. Immersion, pouring & sprinkling are valid methods of baptising.

BTW, there are several Catholic Churches with immersion fonts.I was at an immersion baptism in a CC a few weeks ago in UK.

DoctorAlien:
btoks,

The catholic church may claim to descend from Jesus Christ directly, but their practices say the opposite. The catholic church has gone deep into apostasy, and almost all of her practices today differ from the Bible and what the early apostles did.

Merely uniting a group of churches under the Bishop of Rome doesn't mean descent from the early apostles. Those who descended from the early apostles are those still do as the early apostles did. The catholic church actually clings dearly for its life to apostolic descent to deceive people into thinking that they are not making any mistake.

The catholic church has been polluted by pagan practices like sun worship. The catholic church practises paganism in the name of Christianity. They have replaced GOD's word with the traditions of men.

It's a pity. The same thing Jesus warned against in Matt. 15:9. Have you ever wondered who the woman of Rev. 17 is? She is the catholic church.

Maybe you should study her well.

I'm assuming you're mormon or SDA. If you're saying that the church Jesus established went apostate then we need not believe anything else Jesus said as you've just implied he's a liar.
It's historical fact that the catholic church has Apostolic succesion, you won't find this with the CLDS or any of the so called sola scriptura adherent churches. The list of Bishops of Rome was recorded from day 1.
Sun worship in the CC!, you've got your facts absolutely wrong.

Also, nowhere do we find that the bible is the only rule of faith. The bible itself required an authority outside of it to declare it as scripture.

With the centuries passed, people in this age tend to forget all the early church persecutions, councils, disputes,ratifications etc to ensure the Christianity survived .you think you've got the answers 2000 years after!

DoctorAlien:
The epistles were addressed to specific churches, although they are useful to all Christians.

Don't try to insinuate that the catholic church existed when these Gospels and epistles were written. The catholic church came into existence much later. You may want to revisit your church history.

Jesus establised one church. This one church later in the first century became known as the Catholic Church to separate it from the heretical groups forming at the time. You may want to read Ignatius' letter to the symaneans circa 110 AD for e.g.
The specific churches you refer to were all one as intended by Christ. Please look to Acts 15 to see how disputes were resolved; by going to Church council (this still happens even in our day).

There were obviously splits from this one Church as is usual amongst human beings (major ones being after Chalcedon council 451AD, 1054AD East /west Schism), but this one church remained.

Please research Christian history to see how all these specific churches held the church of Rome as the preeminent one although some may have disagreed.

There is a lot more to Christianity than the last 100 years of misguided sola scriptura. (You can see that all those who profess Sola Scriptura on this thread have different views on baptism) The matters of baptism were settled centuries ago and infant baptism, baptism by sprinkling, pouring (check out didache link http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0714.htm) are all accepted.

DoctorAlien:
The books of the Bible existed before the church. They church simply put them together.

The church doesn't have the authority to interprete the Bible wrongly for material gain. The Holy Spirit is given to every believer, and He interpretes the Bible to them.

I wish you well. And I pray that you'll realise soonest that nobody will be admitted into Heaven by church.

Erm! You may want to revisit bible history.It's very obvious that the NT books were written to an existing church.

Really don't know what Gov. Ambode's was doing there. We are not ready to get down to business yet!