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basilico:
All the Anti Trump forces have now consolidated. acting in unison to paint a negative picture of literally everything he does or says.

This is the issue with trump supporters. Like trump, they never take responsibility. If they did, they'd know trump paints his own negative pictures.

basilico:
My guess is that something big is about to fall on either the coup plotters or Epstein paedo friends.

You mean this Epstein paedo friend?

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basilico:
The good always prevails over the bad.
Good shall triumph over all evil.
Misinformation is being spread.

True. And don't you forget that is trumps game, to spread misinformation.

God couldn't pick this!

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Kobojunkie:
Did you really need to create a new moniker just to say that?
ROFLMAO!

What's his old monicker?

Voy:
read again and again if ure still not getting

I got you Voy.

Voy:
read again and again if ure still not getting

wealthpreach:
what is ritual? Brushing Your teeth every morning is a ritual. Make good use of your dictionary!

As I said, he is making what sounds like a good thing, a bad thing.

Ritual does not mean "brush your teeth" in Nigeria.

Something!

Kobojunkie:
Not so!
Well, God has every right to do whatever He chooses... He is God after all.
Americans may have indeed voted for Trump. Nevertheless, God did pick Trump for such a time as this.

If your argument is God chose him in order to humiliate him and teach him and America a lesson, then maybe, but it didn't need to be at the expense of so many who have died under his incompetent watch.

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Kobojunkie:
Well, since God is a sovereign God, nothing happens without His permitting it to happen. And He is indeed able to influence people's thinking in order to get His WIll accomplished too.

Now of course that in no way means He is responsible for all that happens.

A God that permits things to happen is responsible for things that happen if those things could not have happened without the God permitting it. Still does not mean God did those things that happened, or we'd be right to accuse God of murder of babies, for instance, and for when I rob a bank, and for Adam and Eve eating the forbidden fruit. One would have to wonder why such a God would punish one for one's sins.

God did not vote for Trump. American voters did.

Sounds to me like op is stating how astute and smart Igbos actually are, though, ignorantly he calls it "rituals".

Kobojunkie:
Well yes, but that does not stop it either from being a God move.

That presumption would make every move a God move, including those that involve killings like Hitler's and Pol Pot's, which might make many want to bash God's head in so it can't move no more.

Humans have much more influence than you give us credit for, is what I think. We don't need God to fuq up for us because we are more than capable of fuqing up all by ourselves.

Kobojunkie:
I happen to know Trump was indeed picked for such a time as this. Does that mean Trump is of God? HECK NO!
Does that mean God co-signed any of what he, Trump, has done? HECK NO!

He was elected, last time I checked, by the electorate and not by God.

tintingz:
Why not educate me, where did the OP misinterpreted him?

I have educated you in the past tingz and it is clear you have no desire nor the ability to learn.

budaatum:
Do you really expect that I would bother to take you up the mountain again, tingz?

tintingz:
You still haven't mentioned where the Op misinterpreted him.

The op should go do some homework opself.

I refuse to waste my precious time on you.

Xmuslim:
Of course I never deny the good side of Muhammad. But it's good to note that he goodness is more towards Muslim (quran even state this fact).

The point I'm stressing is that he's not a Saint. He has good side and bad side.

Too many evidence, do check some of my threads. If I have time, I will post more

No one is saying he was a saint, but that's no reason to misrepresent him as op has rather ignorantly done.

OLAADEGBU:
When you finish yawning can you tell us BLM's statement about the black unborn babies that are being murdered by the planned parenthood? Do their lives matter at all?

Don't you think you should ask the mothers? Or did planned parenthood tie them down and murder their black unborn babies against their will?

Xmuslim:
If you want to know Muhammad, read hadith and Islamic history. You can't know Muhammad from the Qur'an.

No Muslim (except quraniyun) will debunk any of the characteristics listed by the OP. Muhammad was a warlord. Read hadith and come back to correct your assumptions about Muhammad. Infact, what he listed are tips of the iceberg. If I should open up the sea regarding Muhammad atrocities, you will immediately stop calling him a prophet.

Even some western Muslims are ashamed of Muhammad and they're trying to discard many authentic hadeeths.

I have read hadiths. He may have been a warlord, but there is a lot more to him than that, and only those who focus on tiny bits won't see that.

Do post some hadiths to prove your point though. You know we love evidence instead of assertions.

Yawn.

https://blacklivesmatter.com/herstory/

tintingz:
You don't even know anything about Islam, Islam teaches Messianism (the second coming of Jesus).

Messianism is not just about "the second coming of Jesus", but about the salvation brought about by his second coming, which is not promised in Islam, but since you show no basic understanding of Islam I can't expect you to understand that.

tintingz:
Prophets call themselves Prophet. So if someone as mentioned in the OP appear today that he's a Prophet would you follow him?

Am I to understand that you would allow a self certified surgeon perform surgery on you?

Or is it your claim that others would, or should?

tintingz:
Is Qur'an not the word of God?

Do you really expect that I would bother to take you up the mountain again, tingz?

tintingz:
Ok, make me understand, tell me what he didn't do as mentioned in OP?

No tingz. Islam does not teach messianism. Islam teaches self salvation, so I will not waste my time telling you anything of the sort.

You will go pick up your Quran and read it to understand if you really want to know. You must do the work to get the gains is the lesson being taught with "neverland".

tintingz:
Everything listed was what Muhammad did,

Everything listed was what you believe Muhammad did because you lack understanding.

tintingz:
Questions,

1. Point out the misunderstanding of Prophet Muhammad in the listed?

All of them are a misunderstanding of the teachings of tge Prophet Muhammad, and if you really want to know, I suggest you go read your Quran, after removing the ignorant bias that appears to blind you to understanding.

tintingz:
2. How did you know such similar Prophet cannot appear today? Atleast Most Prophets have same theme.

I do not know where you listen to your prophets that have "same theme" or any prophets at all to be honest, but in my own opinion, it is very unlikely that anyone with a brain in their heads would call anyone with "same theme", a prophet, so, I strongly suggest you change prophets or change brains.

tintingz:
3. You can clearly see I was using modern illustrations. Or you didn't see that?

Your "modern illustrations" show a lack of understanding of the original teachings of the Prophet Muhammed.

tintingz:
4. Does God work with time? If so, why isn't the Qur'an and Muslims beliefs updated?

Listen to your ignorance! Did not the second day follow the first and the sabbath come after the sixth day?

Are the "Qur'an and Muslims beliefs" God?

tintingz:
I simply asked questions.

No you didn't!

You set up some straw man then began an ad hominem attack against your own straw.


The Straw Man (also "The Straw Person" ""The Straw Figure" ) : The fallacy of setting up a phony, weak, extreme or ridiculous parody of an opponent's argument and then proceeding to knock it down or reduce it to absurdity with a rhetorical wave of the hand. E.g., "Vegetarians say animals have feelings like you and me. Ever seen a cow laugh at a Shakespeare comedy? Vegetarianism is nonsense!" Or, "Pro-choicers hate babies and want to kill them!" Or, "Pro-lifers hate women and want them to spend their lives barefoot, pregnant and chained to the kitchen stove!" A too-common example of this fallacy is that of highlighting the most absurd, offensive, silly or violent examples in a mass movement or demonstration, e.g. "Tree huggers" for environmentalists, "bra burners" for feminists, or "rioters" when there are a dozen violent crazies in a peaceful, disciplined demonstration of thousands or tens of thousands, and then falsely portraying these extreme examples as typical of the entire movement in order to condemn it with a wave of the hand. See also Olfactory Rhetoric.

tintingz:
You clearly don't know anything about Muhammad.

I clearly know quite a lot more than you know.

For those who would like to help him know he's busted:

The judge further granted the application to serve the defendants the writ of summons and all other court processes by substituted service through the electronic mail of Mr. Ude at jackson@pointblanknews.com and tag him on his Facebook and Twitter social media accounts, named ‘Jackson Ude’ and ‘@jacksonpbn’, respectively.
https://www.vanguardngr.com/2020/06/ointblank-news-publisher-restrained-from-publishing-defamatory-materials-against-abubakar-ismaila-isa-bulet/

GboyegaD:
Hmmm.....I don't know why I find it hard to believe such news lately.

Perhaps that's because the narrative does not match the biased headline.

Where is "Kill Many Innocent Souls" in what was posted?

tintingz:
Why are you trying so hard to project me badly.

You projected bad beliefs of your own first.

tintingz:
Be sincere, will you believe in such Prophet? If yes why, if no why?

I am amused how you failed to see that the 11 points you state above are what you believe about the Prophet Muhammad. Your misrepresentation shows you lack understanding.

Then you amuse me more by assuming the Prophet Muhammad who appears today will be like the Prophet Muhammad whom you believe appeared in the past, which shows you lack an understanding of time.

Then you ask if we would willingly forget all we have learned since the Prophet Mohammed appeared in the past and become like the people of the past; asking, basically, if we would deevolve.

We are not people of the past, tingz. The people of the past had much less knowledge than we have today and we have evolved in thought too, and a Prophet Muhammad of today would have had to also evolve to be any sort of Prophet at all and will not be like the Prophet Muhammad of the past, and if you bothered to scientifically use your own senses and evolve in understanding you will not misrepresent the Prophet Muhammad as you have in your false claims above.

surgical:
They should just shut up
By election time now they will forget these issues
After the election their circle of suffering continues
It does not occur to them that government are elected to solve problems if they fail,you change them until your lives becomes better
But in Lagos these are not a reason for them to vote, the only reason is tinubu has endorsed,or this is APC candidates
Something you ve been doing for over twenty years,that is insanity

lumiday:
Baba, drainage dey this area, na my former hood, but na d resident mess up the whole drainage system with refuse 2 - 3 years ago, it became a very serious fight in the hood cos e get places wey d refuse dey stop, I'm glad they're reaping what they sow.

If we can view these opinions as clarifications of the problem, perhaps we can find a way to sell sense for the next election.

LordReed:
I just think it is counterproductive. Nobody suggested I become an atheist, I took good hard unfiltered look at what I believed versus reality and that was enough to uncover the falsity of my beliefs. I don't know if that is sufficient for someone else but it was for me.

You need to learn what happened here. I would say Jesus spit was spat on the ground and the mud was rubbed in your eyes then you bathed in the Pool of Siloam and can see.

I'm so tempted to say, "now go and do likewise", my Lord, but you cannot see yet because you have not yet bathed in the pool.

LordReed:
Yes my dear buda, they think if their eyes are opened they'll be expelled from Eden.

It can be done my dear buda and even you, I think have tried.

More like they will find Eden is imaginary and they are naked.

Yes, I do try.