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LordReed:
First things first, do you accept this wager with its attendant consequences?

Next, what in particular is your contention?

Do you have sources to back up your claims and can we examine the sources?

My claim is V. A. Shiva Ayyadurai did not invent email.

And yes, I accept the attendant consequences.

Lipscomb:
Fake news . Where America government want to get that kind of money from.

Its true. And its on top of state unemployment benefits.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpO4ohqx3os

Available till 7pm Sunday.

MrPresident1:
Whenever it is the turn of a ruling world power to go down, its descent/degradation is usually heralded by an ECLIPSE as seen in the verse below.

Mathew 24:29
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Let us examine the precedents to buttress this point, a composite examination of the Scriptures will give us the full picture and implication of what happened yesterday in America.

So, you saying America fell in 2017, or what?

Oh, I just saw your heading, you weasly amu! Love how you've jumped from V.A. Shiva Ayyadurai "invented", "patented", "copyrighted", and now he "re-invented" email.

So, if cars existed and you reinvented cars (whatever that may mean), then you invented cars?

Was it not V.A. Shiva Ayyadurai?

https://www.inventorofemail.com/

Educate me please.

Amujjale:
Lets have a wager.

I wager with you our Nairaland accounts.

Reply me, if you agree.

I am willing to wager my Nland account against yours.

You claim:




I say:

1) Dr V A Shiva Ayyadurai holds multiple degrees, including a Ph.D from MIT.



2) There was never a system that had all the features explained above that which constitutes the 'electronic mail' and or EMAIL prior to the one DR Shiva invented.


Reply me, if you would like to accept the wager.

Whoever loses the wager should deactivate their monikers.

Its time to put up or shut up.

See you, amu!

Please note, I do not dispute him holding degrees from MIT. The only dispute here is whether he is the inventor of email or not.

Amujjale:
If i invent the first car, and call it CAR, who invented the first car?

You did. Since you {if} invented the first car.

However, the invention of cars is similar to that of email which you can read here.

If cars were roaming the streets long before you produced your first car and called it CAR, did you invent the first CAR?

LordReed:
Wow. Budaatum seems you attract these kinds of challenges LoLz!

So how is this gonna be settled? What sources are we considering as the primary sources to authenticate these competing claims?

Seems I do "attract these kinds of challenges" my Lord.

This discussion began here
https://www.nairaland.com/4508641/american-politics-thread-2020-election/445#88235433

For the record, the position of buda is that V.A. Shiva Ayyadurai developed an electronic messaging system for about 100 users at the University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey in 1978 and obtained a 1982 copyright for its computer code. He did not invent email.

Email, as in, sending one, to, cc, bcc, subject, etc, is the result of collaborations that go back to the 60s.

budaatum:
You can't be the creator in 1978 of what existed way back in the 60s. And claiming otherwise is, "irrational spookism".

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/omblog/post/reader-meter-who-really-invented-e-mail/2012/02/24/gIQAHZugYR_blog.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/omblog/post/origins-of-e-mail-my-mea-culpa/2012/03/01/gIQAiOD5kR_blog.html

Amujjale:
Lets have a wager.

I wager with you our Nairaland accounts.

Reply me, if you agree.

I am willing to wager my Nland account against yours.

You claim:




I say:

1) Dr V A Shiva Ayyadurai holds multiple degrees, including a Ph.D from MIT.



2) There was never a system that had all the features explained above that which constitutes the 'electronic mail' and or EMAIL prior to the one DR Shiva invented.


Reply me, if you would like to accept the wager.

Whoever loses the wager should deactivate their monikers.

Its time to put up or shut up.

I guess you learnt this from jnr.

All monickers, right? Mention me when you open a thread.

khiaa:
It was the forced bondage of men, women and children that made America powerful. America is NOT Yah's Country.

I think he means his version of God sanctioned the "forced bondage of men, women and children that made America powerful", or he missed history because he was in Bible class.

Amujjale:
You’re wrong, the evidence shows that not only did Dr Shiva invent EMAIL, he gave both ‘email ‘ and ‘electronic mail’ their definition.

The coding he generated is directly responsible for the ‘inbox’, ‘outbox’, ‘draft’, ‘trash’, ‘send’, ‘cc’, ‘bcc’ functions e.t.c

Let’s walk you back to 1978, at that time there was nothing such as an ‘electronic mail’.

Really? "Nothing such as an ‘electronic mail’" with "‘inbox’, ‘outbox’, ‘draft’, ‘trash’, ‘send’, ‘cc’, ‘bcc’ functions e.t.c" before 1978?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_email?wprov=sfla1

Anyone know how many ventilators we have?

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/384991-coronavirus-nigeria-may-not-need-many-ventilators-for-patients-minister.html

Amujjale:
You’re a liar and faker budaatum.

That is the point I’m making just in case you missed it.

And that you should refrain from quoting my naked contributions unless you can does so without being deceitful.

You pose as a Christian in one thread and get exposed by NLanders in another.

There’s a thread that exposes your deceitful ways, can anyone post the link to that thread here.

The above response is a typical example of the lies you operate under:

What did I make up?

I must be far too complex for you level of thinking, Amu. I find this in people who rely on placing people in little boxes so they can assume to know them though in reality they are insufficiently informed and completely ignorant.

You are making up that I pose as a Christian for starts. Have you not seen me "pose" as an atheist and a Muslim? And have you not read me say I join in worshipping Owalla, a local deity of mine, and Ogun too? Guess you think buda and atum are Christain gods or are just far too lazy to dig deeper.

But that's got nothing to do with the invention of email.

Amujjale:
The question was did Dr Shiva invent the EMAIL?

I know your kind, you cannot seem to fathom the fact that you was wrong in your initial slur that began these exchanges.

I posted that Dr Shiva invented the EMAIL, instead of you to does the proper research you didn’t and instead chose to try an challenge an indisputable fact.

What you call "indisputable fact" as I pointed out, is like Genesis as evidence God created the universe.

It is amusing how you've jumped through "created", "invent", "patent" and now, "copyright" as if they all mean thevsame thing. Fortunately, this was a very well recorded case so we can all go check the records and know instead of believing whatever we wish to.

V.A. Shiva Ayyadurai is not a member of the MIT faculty and did not invent email. In 1980 he created a small-scale electronic mail system used within University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey, but this could not send messages outside the university and included no important features missing from earlier systems. The details of Ayyadurai’s program were never published, it was never commercialized, and it had no apparent influence on any further work in the field. He does not “hold the patent for email” or have a copyright on the word email, though in 1982 he did register a copyright claim covering the exact text of a program called "EMAIL."

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20190518/23370542236/laying-out-all-evidence-shiva-ayyadurai-did-not-invent-email.shtml

As for whether I quote you or not, lol.

Ignorant mumu stuck his head in the sand!

oboy81:
Buda I don't think that Guy is A Jehovah's witness. True JWs don't behave like that

To be honest with you, you might be right. My JW neighbours are nowhere like him and do not believe some of the things he believes.

I never told you I was a Christian Amu. Perhaps stop believing things you make up, which is my point here. No single person created email.

Amujjale:
You aren’t making any sense.

Learn to stop being a liar and a faker when quoting my post.

If you cannot help yourself from being a liar and a faker, then stop quoting my naked post because I will continue to expose you for the liar and faker that you are.

You are an imposter who poses to be a Christian and a follower of the Christian Bible when everyone knows you are an Atheist.

Sit back, relax and read all the gibberish you are texting and make amends.

HellVictorinho:
Need you undermine the importance of money ?
If I had extra, I would have given out too.
I can be generous too.
I can actually be generous to religious people too cos I can be sympathetic too.
It's just a giveaway.
There's nothing attached to it except mere sympathy towards a person that never really attempted to harm you or a person that never called you names or a person that never attempted to steal from you.

As for the rest, you sound like one of those religious people who pray for their daily bread then complain when they starve.

What happened to "love is conditional"? What condition have you fulfilled to make me give you money? Did I tell you I was your messiah and that I would feed you if you prayed to me?

HellVictorinho:
It is finished.
We've got billions of people suffering like no god regards them while they regard these gods.

I think most people suffer (apart from the normal suffering that all living beings suffer as a consequence of living, i.e. hunger, death and the likes), because they do not regard the gods. If people did properly regarded the gods, they too may suffer less. But you and I have not yet defined "gods" yet, so if I may.

What are "these gods" that you claim does not "regard" people?

Amujale:
You aren’t making any sense.

To you, I can see.

To me, believing Shiva Ayyadurai invented email despite all the evidence is like believing a person named Jesus died for your sins or that African gods are more real.

Amujale:
Patent: a government authority or licence conferring a right or title for a set period, especially the sole right to exclude others from making, using, or selling an invention.


Educate us.

What does it mean to own the patent to an intellectual property?

What does it mean to possess the ‘patent’ of an invention?

I feel you must be aware, know, even, that no one has ever had "the sole right to exclude others from making, using, or selling "email".

If you read what even you posted you'll know his patent for "email" is unenforceable, as in, no one, or court agrees email is his intellectual property.

Below is Shiva Ayyadurai's patents as listed at the US Patent Office where I assume he registered this so called patent of his. Perhaps you can do better finding the one for 'email'.
https://patents.google.com/?q=Email&inventor=shiva&oq=Email+shiva&page=4

And the next is US Patent No 9,547,842 which might as well be a patent for air.
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/03/01/ibm_out_of_office_email/

Amujale:
Bin all the Hellenistic mumbo-jumbo of the Abrahamic religions and concentrate on reality.


And the reality here is that, there never was a person that walked this Earth called Jesus Christ.

Just as Shiva did not create email, unless you're the sort who just such believes stuff and claims to "know" what they don't know.

Amujale:
Show me the proof, other than a commentary.

Show me a document of one government scientist past or present that possess the patent that Dr Shiva has.

Don’t you get it, forget what you read, look at the physical evidence as well as the courtroom summation.

Dr Shiva owns the patent of the EMAIL that he invented.

What is a patent?

An official document clearly started one’s invention.


Until anyone can produce an official document that predates that of Dr Shiva, it’s a wrap.

Sounds like Genesis waving as evidence of God creating the universe.

A patent does not connote "creation", as you'd know if you read the articles I posted.

Amujale:
Medical care based on the use of naturally available nutrition.

It’s clear you don’t know what your on about.

Lemons and meat are not "naturally available nutrition" and sources of Vit B and C? Or are you claiming I don't know why I decided to consume those things, amongst others, when I caught the flu?

Amujale:
You believe that government scientists invented the email, I know for a fact that Dr Shiva did.

Like some "know for a fact" that Jesus is their Lord, I suppose.

I do not "believe government scientists invented the email". Evidence shows government, private venture, and individuals created email, and not one individual as Shiva claims.

HellVictorinho:
I really need your help.

No you do not need a helper. Religion is bad, remember?

HellVictorinho:
Hmmmmm,could you be sympathetic by assisting me financially?

All the same, I am assisting you mentally. Thinking and reasoning right is much more rewarding than money. And before you ask, my conditional gain is one more intelligent person to discuss with.

Amujale:
Eventhogh I never brought Dr Shiva’s medical background up, you did and so let’s stay talk Vitamin B & C.

Where can we get the best version of Vit B & C?

Naturally?

What is more harmful, Vaccines or Vitamins?

Pharmaceuticals are more dangerous than naturally grown vitamins; that is a fact.

I already have a system that works for me, take away the input from modern computers and it’s no different to Dr Shiva’s. I am absolutely delighted with the medical system that I experience and am about.

In my professional opinion on these types of holistic health systems, is that it’s far better, less harmful and definitely more affordable.

As I said, I too consider it wise to load up on Vit B and C at these times. I've in fact taken a liking for lemons and meat, though not on the same plate. Would it not however be "irrational spookism" to claim I created Vit B and C, or that it is a cure for Covid-19?

Amujale:
I don’t understand what you are getting at here.

Can one have a decent conversation without the need to bring up some irrational spookism?

Jesus is a fake god.

The African Gods are the true and proper ones.


Orunmila is God

Osun is God

Sango is God


Not to conflated with the Almighty God.

Jesus is a fake god.

Its not about Jesus, but about the adoption of the exact attitude you deplore below. After all, you must have done a lot of research to come to you conclusions below.

You can't be the creator in 1978 of what existed way back in the 60s. And claiming otherwise is, "irrational spookism".

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/omblog/post/reader-meter-who-really-invented-e-mail/2012/02/24/gIQAHZugYR_blog.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/omblog/post/origins-of-e-mail-my-mea-culpa/2012/03/01/gIQAiOD5kR_blog.html

HellVictorinho:
Stockholm syndrome is a mental disorder..
You don't teach people to be like that.

I'm not teaching anyone to be mentally disordered, just that we learn to have sympathy for each other because I believe it will make us more productive. Besides, most things that most fear are due to a mental disorder they have, like ignorance.

Take you and I. We seem to be sympathetic to the others position so we are not tearing each other apart. Is that not a good thing? Is it not because we have learnt to be civil?