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Isnt this rather low? Thankfully, institutions are "at liberty to raise their cut off marks for admission above the minimum set by JAMB!"

AwkaetitiBabe:
Rude? I'm simply advising you to apply wisdom cos her type can actually stab you or probably commit suicide

Maybe he should stop with the "other girls" and love her instead, as you rightly advised. He knew she was vulnerable before he exploited her!

I think the West have blighted this man with their lies and propaganda.

Zim land was pension for the British Army. And it wasn't measured by how far they could throw stones but how far they bothered to ride their horses on the most fertile Zim land. Then independence came, and Mug agreed they keep the land in return for funding the Zim education system which turned Zims into the most educated Africans.

When Blair came to power, he stopped that funding, so Mug said, "ok, give us our land back then". And in true fashion of the disobeyed, Britain placed on the east side of Zim a cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to force them into poverty.

I wouldn't be surprised to find more "coincidences" when history tells it's truth.

AwkaetitiBabe:
You have to apply wisdom in dealing with everything. She loves you, love her back na

Please don't be rude to me. I cannot apply what I lack or don't even deserve in return!

GreenArrow1:
You might be missing out of a good thing guy. That's how my gf got so clingy that she forced me into renting a new apartment so we can live together. Today, lest than 8 months later, I'm almost completing my house. If I had run away that I still wanted to be flexing, that she was too desperate, Na so I for still dey blow money up and down anyhow. The only red flag in your post is the part of her harassing you up and down because of other ladies. Else, all I see is a lady who wants to settle down with you.

"Because of other ladies" is indeed flexing "red flag".

Glad you did not flex. Now see, "less than 8 months later, I'm almost completing my house"!

According to him, he claimed his country men are fighting a just cause due to the high rate of crime and drugs dealings in the country.

You all ignoring this! And personally, I doubt it's true, the only Nigerian in SA I know being a Professor. But we are Nigerians; some of us would yahoo our own mama belle if they could, and I can't trust that there aren't quite a few of us in SA.

So, if remotely true, that some - and note my bubu's "lazy Nigerians" - are yahoo in SA, I'm afraid we deserve to be xenophobed. In fact, we should be xenophobing yahoos amongst ourselves wherever we are, or at least should not expect others to live in the cesspit we seem not to mind living in.

I agree my bubu should not bother going to SA except to make the unthinking think he's doing something about it, which he isn't because he can't, as gone are the days he would have jailed some for 200 years! Even then, my bubu never stood there making everyone queue and clean up after them. We did, putting each other in order and behaving well our selves. Perhaps we've since forgot whose eyes forests grow.

On that note, 10 likes to the NL Xenophobe Yahoo thread. Those xenophobing yahoo will rise.

shadeyinka:
Good morning Bro.
I woke up still thanking God for you. It's a beautiful thing when you see a Saul become a Paul: and this Paul seem to be moving faster than the other Apostles. I pray that your Faith will sustain you untill the day of the harvesting.

You speak a lot in riddles: but I understand. Believers will either take you at your word or listen to their spirit. It's understandable. Was that not how the first treated Saul?

About reading. I've known my limits a long time ago. Some books I won't touch with a pole especially occultism and erotism as a youth though much reckless (any book of interest is a book). I guess, when one begins to use glasses it means your eyes have seen a lot. But I wish the average Christian still read much more than what I see around and also seek for understanding ( even with spiritual things). We are too "man of God said..." dependent!

Shalom

You indeed do understand my riddle speak. Goes to show it's not in the quantity of the reading but in the quality of the understanding. And yes, we Nigerians should read more. And it starts with those who know how to create with Words. And its why I rejoice when I'm here reading all you writers, both the atheist and the theist, sharpening each others irons and building people of power.

We will get to a point where the lambs will dwell with the lions and Paul and Apollo do not matter and no one will be against the other because we quench each others [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark+9%3A38-41&version=NIV]thirst[/url].

MrBrownJay1:
Leclerc was faster all weekend, nothing anyone could do....unless the race was 1 or 2 laps longer.

2 more laps was clearly not enough. A week latter and Leclerc is still ahead.

Can we sack Vettel please!

You clinged to her to you by changing. Or did what you wanted to chop not make you change?

Alitair:
To cut Long story short, I got what I wanted but got stuck, I have never been willing to change for anyone even my Mother and I changed for this girl.

Grow up and get married! She sounds like she good for you.

joseph1013:
Ha! You didn't understand the post.

I dumb like that. It's why I keep returning for education, and commend you on this thread again too.

By fruits are we knowing who is the Lord's.

shadeyinka:
And I pray that your fruit would abound and multiply to God's Glory.

I just wonder: what was the reaction of the other Atheists you used to fraternize with before? Did they try to ask why? They know you and some of them had accused you of reading too much (I read too but not up to 5% of what you read: I've narrowed down to simple things). Your testimony to them could be a powerful tool in the hands of God's Spirit.

Stay blessed

I've always fraternized regardless of religion, belief, tribe, gender, age etc so I would expect no different or even less so now that I am walking in the Lord. Those He has shown to walk in the valley of the shadow of death do not fear. That said, people hardly noticed my transition as we called it at the time, op and I. I wasn't such a big deal as some hadn't even decided if I was the "only true atheist" or the devil itself. But on the whole, people have reacted kindly towards me as I expect regardless of my opinions or beliefs with some defending me against even some theists especially the "believers", funny enough. Op of this thread as well as my Lord are both atheists and seem to somewhat regard me, and even in the Islamic section which I frequent too.

Those whom it is given to read a little probably shouldn't read so much least they be confused. Reading too much can indeed be a curse and is the lesson most learn in the Garden of Eden where God is made to look like a stingy lying slave owner who refuses to dress his slaves and keeps them ignorant and babels human knowledge least they build Towers. But it will seem that read and be confuse is what the Lord portioned ever since ma beat "read" into me. Thankfully, it is true that, "Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find. When they find, they will be disturbed. When they are disturbed, they will marvel, and will reign over all. And after they have reigned they will rest."

I don't read so much now, not since my eyes stopped working like they used to. But the Lord seems to have replaced it with a pen and made me dream of pointing a rod and a staff at 'Pharoah'. I can only rejoice that my 'Pharoah' is a forest inside my own eyes, at least for now, and shudder at what might lay ahead in the future.

Please know that I don't think I am sent to the "Gentile" alone, for as you have seen here, my trolling was of the "Jew". But if you had not blessed me with understanding I would have sowed in vain, so the Glory is in the Goodness of your Soil.

shadeyinka:
You should be prepared for some storms o. Except you have been given a grace of devine protection.

My own "Surround Me" is Oluwa.
I am instilled with Centurionic Faith.

MuttleyLaff:
Lol. You walked through the valley of the shadow of death, returned back unscathed and to boast about it, as the mods saved your bacon, your previously hidden post, sanity and dignity intact. Wisdom and intelligence are good to have and know how to well use. Well done.

What can I say. I boast. Though I often wonder about that spambot. It seems to only get me on posts I consider significant and never when I yadayada. Very annoying. If I were superstitious I would invoke the powers and the principalities!

All the same, Spambot! I'm watching you!

shadeyinka:
What a testimony!
I'm kind of feeling that nothing but God can redeem a conc Atheist except the Atheist is genuinely seeking for the truth.

I read up almost all your threads last night. It seems your turning point occured not too long ago. Anyway, I wish you the best.

Almost all my threads, Lol! See what I mean by "despite my own effort" and "against my will"? I did not intend it as a "testimony"! Turning point was January 2019, though looking back it began a very long time ago. While atheist me had concluded through much searching that there were certainly no gods, God was training me to become a seeker all along. And one thing certain about we humans is we cannot deny what we have seen however much we try.

I myself have heard it said that only Jesus saves, so, for me is to, after making as certain as I possibly can that the seed I cast are good seeds and that the soil is good soil and without wasting any on paths with no soil or on rocky ground with little soil or soil which contained thorns, to faithfully sow in hope that Christ will find them worthy of thirtyfolding and sixtyfoldng and a hundredfolding etc if He Wills. And if they don't, it's my fault, I failed, and must try harder next time!

Thank you Yinka. I very much enjoyed trolling you, and the very best to you too.

MuttleyLaff:
^^^^
Oops, you just did a doopsy there, I guess no more posting here for at least the next 24 hours for you budaatum

You and who is "24 hour doopsy"?

Is goodness and mercy a lie?

Sounds like election is in a year or two?

If this bond is not for election, Akeredolu, wait till you start your next term or else you sound like barau.

The Alexander Romance is an account of the life and exploits of Alexander the Great. Although constructed around a historical core, the romance is largely fictional. It was widely copied and translated, accruing legends and fantastical elements at different stages. The original version was composed in the Greek language before 338BC, when a Latin translation was made. Several late manuscripts attribute the work to Alexander's court historian Callisthenes of Olynthus, but the historical person died before Alexander and could not have written a full account of his life. The unknown author is still sometimes known as Pseudo-Callisthenes.

See also, Alexander the Great in Jewish, Christian and Islamic legendary traditions.

Amujale:
The character that transformed into the Abrahamic religious character known to us as Mohammed was in fact an Arabian/Persian leader of a repel faction and not some virtuous dude that the authors of Abrahamic religious text have miraculously conjured.

The Mohammed character is fake, a plagerisation of various older religious concepts and characters from around the globe. i.e African religious concepts, Arabian mythology, Greek mythology,
Persian mythology, other Asian religious concepts e.t.c

The Muhammedian movement that manufactured Islam made use of a similar type of constructs to the Romans, Islam was manufactured round about the 8th century due to the philosophical dominance of Rome at the time.

All the authors of Abrahamic religious text are dubious and wholly untrustworthy.

Prior preparation prevents piss poor performance!

Next time give time to your customers.

With pleasure.

joseph1013:
"Do you believe in God?"

No! There is no merit in doing that which satan does and shudders!

joseph1013:
Define God.

No! Apart from "thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God", neither should one create images or idols or definitions of God!

joseph1013:
"The God that created everything, a personal God not a concept of nature, but a God that has a personality."

That's your definition. Why do you think God is a personal God, has a personality, and is not a concept of nature?

joseph1013:
Does it make sense to you that something can create everything? Something is a subset of everything. Isn't it?

No, it does not make sense. Why do you think such nonsense 1013? Why "define God by our own limited reasoning"?

joseph1013:
"That's human thinking. We want to define God by our own limited reasoning..."

Human thinking of some. Especially non-Bible readers and non-Bible understanders. Those who understand their Bible, and more especially, God, do not limit God given abilities to reason. They in fact know that they cannot limit reasoning however much they try. I mean, just watch buda woefully fail in limiting the ability to reason of 1013!

joseph1013:
But you are a human, and you just defined God above.

Haha! Nice try. I am indeed human, but did I just not define God above now!

shadeyinka:
I wouldn't say I understood complete everything you said but trusting God, I'll review my strategy. I certainly know that no one really wins a person by winning an argument. It's just that at a point, like I said, I stopped being evangelistic to those I consider as "missionary Atheists" and deal with them on the bases of science, logics and philosophy.
I guess it's time for a review.

However, you've not really said what touches the conscience of Atheists; for the gospel requires a living conscience on which the Holy Spirit do the work of conviction.

I pray that as the Lord brought you out, He'll bring out many militant Atheists on Nairaland. AMEN!

What "touched" me was evidence. As an atheist, there was no way I was going to bow down and worship some nonsense god I never had evidence for, nor was I going to bow to the usual idols - a book, cross, mog, etc. So, metaphorically speaking, when Moses told the 70 to wait he alone was going up the mountain to see God, atheist I said, "Moses, wait up, I'm coming too". And when I was told I was unworthy to go before God and should wait with the 70, I emphatically said "no! It's my creator too, crappy as I am, so we going together". And I went up the mountain with Moses and cannot now deny what I saw.

My point here is God created me to be the atheist I was, and when God had had enough of me being an atheist, knowing what was required to make me change, God done it and here I am, and by the Grace of God and not by my own doing, which was even to the contrary, or that of any individual evangelist, though, funny enough, some credit to Tatime, and to everyone else.

I must remember that those I discuss with here are also creations of God, and if I stupidly decide to make them my enemies, I am just giving myself unnecessary work to love them more than my neighbours even. So It's either work more, or I'm free to crucify Christ and return to my atheism and hate those the Lord God made. The Lord will please, perfect us all.

No one said worshipping God is easy, Shade, for the more God blesses one the more God requires of one, Christianity being, "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect".

So, on your "evangelistic". Christ advised that "In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven".

Please know that all this conversation, or rather, trolling, is subject to Holy Spirit sanction. If you receive no confirmation in your heart, it is satan buda that has spoken!

Amujale:
All Abrahamic religious text are fake, false and counterintuitive.

Name any of their famous characters or storyline and let me prove to you that they are fake.

Mohammed.

Amujale:
There isnt one character or storyline in all of Abrahamic religious text that can claim to being original.

All the authors of Abrahamic religious text are dubious and untrustworthy.

And yes, Abrahamic religious text are direct copies and plagerised versions of various older characters and philospohies. i.e African philosophies, Budhism, Greek mythology, Hinduism, Roman mythology, Summerian mythology e.t.c

If, as you claim, "Abrahamic religious text are direct copies and plagerised versions of various older characters and philospohies. i.e African philosophies, Budhism, Greek mythology, Hinduism, Roman mythology, Summerian mythology e.t.c", are you not pleased that I, a Nigerian, have heard of those things? I mean, its not as if I can be walking in the streets of Lagos and pick up "Budhism, Greek mythology, Hinduism, Roman mythology, Summerian mythology etc", that easily. Even African Philosophy is scanty, as you'd have seen if you checked the podcast I posted. Or can I pick that up on the streets of Lagos or anywhere in Nigeria?

Perhaps see the Bible as a badly written syllabus. Many learn a lot from it that they might not have learnt anywhere else. I mean, you, perhaps, might only know of these "Budhism, Greek mythology, Hinduism, Roman mythology, Summerian mythology etc" from your initial reading of the Bible which piqued your interest like a tiny acorn seed and made you search further so you've become the immensely knowledgeable oak tree you have become. Or have you forgotten how you began and would give no credit to the seed?

Amujale:
The premise behinde the narratives being peddled by all the Abrahamic religions is false.

Are you here suggesting that the "direct copies and plagerised versions of various older characters and philospohies. i.e African philosophies, Budhism, Greek mythology, Hinduism, Roman mythology, Summerian mythology e.t.c" that the Abrahamic religions "copied and plagerised", are all false?

King David rests in eternal peace.

Adieu.

wickedtuna:
knowledge is truly humbling. Thank you sir...permit me to add

To him who asks, "How can I gain personal knowledge of the higher truths? " the answer must be given, "Begin by making yourself acquainted with what is communicated by others concerning such truths." And should he reply, "I wish to see for myself, I do not wish to know anything about what others have seen," one must answer, "It is in the very assimilating of the communications of others that the first step toward personal knowledge consists." And if he should answer, "Then I am forced to have blind faith to begin with," one can only reply that in regard to something communicated it is not a case of belief or unbelief but merely of an unprejudiced consideration of what one hears. The wise never speaks with the intention of awakening blind faith in what he says. He merely says, "I have experienced this in the higher regions of existence, and I narrate these my experiences." But he knows also that the reception of these experiences by another and the penetrating of his thoughts with such an account are living forces making for spiritual development.

You are immensely wise, wickedtuna. Thank you for expressing your living force so very exceptionally well so it penetrates thoughts and makes for spiritual development.

shadeyinka:
You said:
1. Your arguments are way too juvenile for that which you defend.
How do you mean?
All I wanted was to show how Science leads to a dead end and the fact that Atheists and Theists must have to rely on faith at a point.

If you've followed my trolling, you'd notice I very simply define Science as the "use of the senses".

How can the use of the senses therefore "lead to a dead" end?

Does the use of the senses not do the opposite of lead one to dead ends, in fact, and enable ine see where ine is going?

shadeyinka:
2. Your doing such a sloppy job you give them ammunition to use against the rest of us.
a. What kind of ammunition do you think I am giving them?

We are the people of the Word. We are being sloppy when we use words in a sloppy manner without attempting to understand what the words we use mean to us and what they might mean to them, and even more sloppy when we fail to understand what the words they may use mean to them might differ from what those words mean to us. We are sloppy when we fail to recognise this very human mistake and they end up using our sloppiness against us.

shadeyinka:
b. What would you consider as a better strategy

3. Speaking about loving Atheists
How could it be on a faceless forum like NL?

How can faith be had in me or the Gospel of the Lord of Love if I preach it with the fruits of satan?

A better strategy is for me to fully understand that which I preach. After all, if my Gospel is true, the Holy Spirit should minister to me so I know how to minister to others effectively by even giving me the words that I should use.

How do I who worships a God in Heaven whom no one has seen, love on a "faceless forum like NL"?

I can only love that which I know and understand, so I must understand first that those I label are human beings like me, individuals on a "faceless forum like NL", and creations of my own Lord God Almighty regardless of what they might think, believe or say, and that whatsoever I do to them must be pleasing to my own God.

I can love them the same way I love my unseen God, of course, the God who commanded me to love my neighbours and my enemies even more. All I have to do is determine which of these two the atheist is - my enemy or my neighbour, or both - to determine how much more I must love them.

It is improper for me to preach the Gospel of "Be Perfect" to those who have not read the Gospel of "Be Perfect", and if I am not even trying to Be Perfect, according to a Gospel I claim to believe, then I am a hypocrite.

shadeyinka:
Like I said, I used to think I could evangelize among them until I saw that they weren't hearing nor listening but they were bent on applying the strategy of gang ups and ridicule to anything that involves the faith

Having been an atheist, I would suggest you consider that they do listen and do hear you, just that the theistic words you use mean nothing to them, though, I would suggest you yourself first seek to understand that which you preach.

Gone is the time when you can say you are going up the mountain, they should stay at the bottom because they are unworthy to see God and believe what you come down and tell them a la Moses. Or that the Kingdom of God is at hand a la John and they all come running to God. Even "give your life to Christ", has become meaningless unless one knows what Christ and life might actually signify.

No one said winning souls was easy but the Lord strengthens.

shadeyinka:
You have spoken some hard words but I am willing to learn.

Although, I wish you hadn't trolled me on for so long by sending me a PM.

I stopped preaching to Atheists a long time ago and that is because they ridicule everything you say from the scriptures or the explanation of the plan of God for their salvation.

But I also notice how militant and intimidating they are especially to young believers when they try to convince them of the superiority of science and the inferiority of faith. Thus I took the stance of checkmating their argument.

But you were once an atheist: I never was an atheist so you'll have better experience.

So, PM me and explain a number of things I wouldn't want to state here.

Thanks

Do forgive the hard words and the trolling. I do believe in you, but I do not do pm conversations so say what you have to say here so we can all learn.

I doubt you can ever stop preaching to atheists, but arguing the "inferiority of faith" - especially if by faith is meant the unseen - against the "superiority of science", which is that understood by the use of the senses, is like claiming a blind person sees better that a non-blind person, which, if you trully pay attention, you will see is untrue. Or does my blind Lord see that which shadeyinka sees with his unblind Jesus eyes?

wickedtuna:
I am open to learning and i understand your point that belief is the basis to which one seeks knowledge.

Though a theory in education that has held sway for centuries, belief is not the basis of learning, but is actually the basis of ignorance, because once yiu believe, learning actually stops or is built in the foundations of belief instead if the more solid foundation of seeking to understand. We even find the error of this sort of "believing" when we find that those who learn to believe are unable to think critically as those thought to reason do. You might consider Pythagoras Theorem, if you doubt this. Those taught to believe it are ignorant while those who understand it can do stuff with their knowledge of it.

Today, everything you learnt in school is knowledge you did not at first believe, and how could you since you did not even know it, so we taught you it, and I bet over time you found quite a lot of it to be as It was taught and now know, unless you would refuse to use your mind, or believe it, if you have not sought enough.

Quite of lot of us learn by seeking, and not by first believing we have found. And those who believe tend to stop learning because they assume they already know it all.

LordReed:
What means the bolder my dear buda?

Exactly what I wrote is what it means, my Lord, and have pointed it out to you in the past, and will again point it out when you or some other atheist next does it.

You might note even I do the inverse, atheistically being theistic. It is not as easy to remove that which one has been from that which one becomes.

shadeyinka:
Are you agnostic?
Or could there be another position where a person is neutral (neither Atheist nor Theist)?

I am not agnostic where the Lord God Almighty is concerned. I was an atheist who knew there was no God until I carried my ignorant atheist self up the mountain to see for myself and now I am a theist who knows there is God.

As to the universe, very little is known about the last ten thousand years so knowledge of how it began so many million or billions of years ago is far way beyond my puny mind, and while I concern myself with such things, I am likely to forget to do unto those here whom I see right here before me and whom I am told doing to pleases the Lord my God in Heaven.

If I say there is God and trully mean it, I should endeavour to ensure that Godly Spirit manifests, otherwise, others might through my own doing, fall.

P.s. I often fall short.