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shadeyinka:
In other words except by choice you have no verifiable reason to reject God

shadeyinka:
The average Christian has his views on so many things. And you can see lengthy swords fights among them:
It's a great question to ask a "Christian" what he believes.

Not all Christians believe in tithes!
Not all Christians believe in firstfruits!
Not all Christians believe in tongues!
Not all Christians believe in restitution!

However, most Christians believe in God as Trinity(some reject this)
However, most Christians believe in Man being a Trinity(some reject this) of body, soul and spirit.

I think it is fair if Atheists don't hide under general believe. A person who doesn't have his on opinion about his theism or his Atheism does not have any value


One can only challenge a Christian on what he personally believes rather that what the other thesist believe.

Can one ask a Muslim if he believes in a talking snake?


Most intelligent and educated Atheists hold these beliefs and I want to deal with them based on that.

OLAADEGBU:
Did I touch a nerve?

shadeyinka:
First as a confirmation, are you saying Dawkins, Hawkins and Krauss are wrong?

Shepherd00:
For, "without faith it is impossible to please him: ~~for he that cometh to God must believe that he is~~, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him."

Hebrews 11:6

No one can know God without first believing in Him.
Budaatum is preaching New Age, and t won't cut here.

wickedtuna:
i get your point sir and the funny thing is we both believe in this same God but your only problem is you restrict God to just an Invincible entity with power, which is also like making an idol of him. But i on the hand dont play by those stereotypes. I see his works,i breathe, thats God, the earth he wonderfully created is full of his goodness, thats also God. Except an iron is red hot or steaming, how can you tell its hot? That i believe and have also seen which in turn means i know God, is that not an added advantage? please pardon my grammar.

Hinn’s outright rejection of the prosperity gospel comes just two months after his nephew, Costi Hinn, revealed in his new book, God, Greed, and the (Prosperity) Gospel: How Truth Overwhelms a Life Built on Lies, how his family exploited millions around the world with the prosperity gospel and often traded so-called miracles for money..

“I’m sorry to say that prosperity has gone a little crazy and I’m correcting my own theology and you need to all know it. Because when I read the Bible now, I don’t see the Bible in the same eyes I saw 20 years ago,” Hinn said as his followers rejoiced.

Benny Hinn Renounces Prosperity Gospel, Says ‘holy Ghost Is Just Fed Up With It’

Hinn’s outright rejection of the prosperity gospel comes just two months after his nephew, Costi Hinn, revealed in his new book, God, Greed, and the (Prosperity) Gospel: How Truth Overwhelms a Life Built on Lies, how his family exploited millions around the world with the prosperity gospel and often traded so-called miracles for money..

“I’m sorry to say that prosperity has gone a little crazy and I’m correcting my own theology and you need to all know it. Because when I read the Bible now, I don’t see the Bible in the same eyes I saw 20 years ago,” Hinn said as his followers rejoiced.

Amujale:
Can the authors of any of the Abrahamic religious text really be trusted?

If your answer is no, why?

If your answer is yes, why?

LordReed:
For me what is more telling is that gods do not write books.

Amujale:
Abrahamic religious text should never be taken seriously.

The authors of Abrahanic text arw guilty of a huge anount of criminality.

During my research into Abrahanic religious text made me have read the The Bible, Torah and Quran from front to back on more than one occasion.

Many of us that have read the Christian bible does so by readimg lightly or casually.

However, one is meant to not only study what we read but compare and contrast the assertions and vicious inssinuations contained in their text with real history.

MrPresident1:
It is the trump buda for eartum. It is not the building, it is the message.

Amujale:
All the Abrahamic religions are a sham.

All Abrahamic text are false, fake and counterintuitive.

All the real authors of Abrahamic text are liars and fakers.

You are no different to the uncle Tom's that are amongst us, those that know of the falsities the Abrahamic religions peddle and continue to quote and peddle those same known fakery.

All the Abrahamic religious narratives are based on a false premise, those that are ignorant of these facts have a diminished responsibility whilst those that know of these facts and continue to pretend that they are real
are the worst pepertrators.

The Christian bible is a fraudulent compilation of documents.

The Christian bible is not a genuine document, rather its a bibliograpghy, a compilation of religious text from all across the globe, the contents of which have been repackaged, plagerised, copied, sexed-up or simply outrightly made up.

In order words, all Abrahamic religious text are fake and unreliable.

coluka:
Start by looking into your own mirror because I only returned your rude language back to you

Emusan:
OK I agree



My brother, forget about better things in this country....revolution is the hope for better things not ELECTIONS!

No politicians in Nigeria as at today will want the status quo to change.

The funny part of it is that we Nigerians we don't even know the thing that'll soon hit us. Everyone still thinking all is well.

Empiree:
listen to what moniker Yorubahero said. You did the right thing for voting Buhari twice, wallahi. That was the proper thing to do.

Imagine voting for Atiku knowing too well he owns or has shares in MIKANO which means he's one of those responsible for power instability in the country. He didn't call himself to account yet competed in presidential election. Voting for such clown doesn't sounds great.

So as the guy rightly said, you did the right thing APC get time.

Rilwayne001:
He was/is supposedly prudent and our assumption was that we needed a prudential president to at least stop corruption which we've always thought the particularly the problem of the country. We forgot the need for agility, intelligence, goal-oriented etc and other characteristics of a good president. The mistake I made was voting for prudency while neglecting the rest.

coluka:
The liberal mob is all about shutting down any voice that is not part of their liberal propaganda and they call others fascists when they are the chief fascists.

coluka:
How many Greenlanders did your source interview? The image you posted said a Greenland resident (one person), I am sure if you interview all Greenland residents, you will find a lot of them that will tell people like you to shut the fvck up!!

Amujale:
Religion isn’t a problem per se, it’s the Abrahamic ones that are.

Amujale:
The only reason for a West African to study ancient Egyptian mythology is so as to learn other aspects of African history. And to despell the falsities being peddle by all the Abrahamic religions and not as to adopt their concepts.

The Nile civilisation represents 5% of African history.

The Dogon philosophy of West Africa represents one of the oldest knowledge of Astrology and Astronomy in the world.

The understanding in Dogon philosophy has taken modern science hundreds of years to realise.

For example the Dogon people of Mali due to their accurate astronomical calculations are the first community to plot the fact that suggests Earth spins on its own axis.

joseph1013:
How do you know the first words bolded? Word gymnastics may suffice for you, but if readers in 2050 claim that Buhari's message of sending an envoy to South Africa in response to Xenophobic attacks are figurative expressions, should we accept them? That's why I ask, why do you know they are figurative expressions?

Bible says, "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness"

To your second words in bold, instead of foolishly learning calculus from random people on the street, do you think it makes sense to call out their ignorance?

Amujale:
Apart from historical use, for what other reason does a West African really need to be interested in ancient Egyptian mythology.

Ancient Egyptians are a product of their own downfall.

Ancient Egypt came about as a result of African unism. Various nationalities from all across Africa especially Sudan created the super state known as KM.T, they comprised of researchers and scientists; the best of every nation volunteered to that project.

When Ancient Egypt reached unbelievable heights in the world of science and technology, they betrayed the rest of the continentals even launching numerous failed wars on the continentals, thanks to the brave and battle ready people of Sudan; world renown for their impossible accuracy with the long bow.

joseph1013:
And what does this proof?

Evidently, Isaac Newton's belief about the world ending, some belief in 2060, according to Biblical prophecies is credited to have helped his focus on developing calculus. Should we then accept armageddon as a core doctrine?

I can list many others, including those who claim slavery was important to the development of civilization. Should we accept slavery on account of that?

Should we start asking what the world would have become without slavery?

You don't apply a lot of logic to these discussions?

Amujale:
All the Abrahamic religions are mainly known by genuine historians for those type of West Asian and Eurocentric practises due to the fact that they took their exploitation of intellectual property to a whole new level.

GLYCOLYSISS:
Who actually made these statement ?

"I read the words in the Bible and reason with my mind and with the immense assistance of the Holy Spirit I hope I acquire an understanding that is to the greatest Glory to God"

Three things you do with the Bible ;

1-you read the words ;
I guess you mean you study it to try and understand what's talking about.

GLYCOLYSISS:
2-Reason with your mind ;
Here,I believe you mean applying logic to what the passage is talking about.

GLYCOLYSISS:
3-Holy spirit in brought into the picture ;
Here ,you realised even though your logic may not help that much,the Holy spirit does a better job in you understanding the scripture.

Doesn't your statement paint a picture of a person that claim he has the Holy spirit ?

GLYCOLYSISS:
Go through that statement of yours again & again,what do you think one could infer from your write up ?

GLYCOLYSISS:
Now,your second paragraph is what I actually want you to stick to.
Your claims are from the painstaking search & research you put out there to learn & understand the world around you,Bible inclusive, and not because of the Holy spirit.

GLYCOLYSISS:
Feel cool you recognised your limitations,no matter how a tedious job & research you put out there.
I'm glad you did.
Just a reminder,God don't recognise glory or honour from any man that don't genuinely & sincerely fellowship with Him.
Even myself is not excluded.

GLYCOLYSISS:
What's inside just have a way of pulling it head out to give a glimpse or paint a total picture of what's both outside & deeper view of what's inside than you even think.
I got no need to bother about what's outside,because it wouldn't matter in the long run,unless you choose to glory for the mere dust you & I is.

Amujale:
I agree with the spirit of your post, in a way education can be said to evolve out of religion. I totally get that.

Western eductaion produced manufactured religion.

In actual fact, African spirituality is that which brought about religion.

Religion can aswell be defined as the mimicking of African philosophical concepts.

All manufactured religions are malicious imitations of African spirituality. i.e Abrahamic, Greek, Red Indian, Roman, Summerian e.t.c

Amujale:
Most of the narratives peddled by the above religions incoporate into their text various adaptations of our continental iconic characters and philosophical concepts.

Amujale:
Although the Abrahamic religions are mainly known for these type of West Asian and Eurocentric practises due to the fact that they took their exploitation of intellectual property to a whole new level.

Amujale:
The authors of Abrahamic religious text demonised the source of their copied continental philosophies and bastardise the content.

Amujale:
What most of us dont realise is the fact that most African philosphies are amongst the only verifiable religioussic concepts in living history; and are universally considered as a part of true history.