₦airaland Forum

tintingz:
It's innate because a villain can know what he's doing is bad through empathy and experience.

If it is innate, as in "already programmed in", why ignore the evidence that shows it is learnt?

tintingz:
A research in Neurology has shown that observing another person emotions can activate part of the neuronal network.

tintingz:
Another research point to genetic.

I doubt morals can be genetic. I've seen mass murderer children be saints.

tintingz:
upgrade in reasoning.

Through learning.

tintingz:
I believe empathy is innate, people just use it differently.

So, tell. Why do you think empathy is innate?

And as a side, how would you explain the new and current empathy to animals and the earth?

johnydon22:
There has been no upgrade in the human brain for the last 200,000 years.

There has been a significant upgrade in human thought however.

johnydon22:
When you make remarks as the above, you imply morality as an innate universal objective quality we discover rather than fabricate.

I share your view. Even empathy and compassion is not innate as Martinez19 says it is, and has evolved over time from having it for ones family or tribe, to now having empathy and compassion for animals, the ocean and the planet, all which we had no compassion for heretofore.

Consider the following:

Martinez19:
morality is governed by the ability to reason and show empathy/compassion.

The change in morality is an evolution due to the change in reasoning ability, which occurs because of an increase in consciousness.

Martinez19:
The recent legalisation of homosexuality and homosexual marriage; abolishment of slavery despite what the holy books say etc. are due to "upgrade" in reasoning.

Or a retrograde! Homosexuality is not new in India.

The British Raj criminalised anal sex and MouthAction (for both heterosexuals and homosexuals) under Section 377 of the Indian Penal Code, which entered into force in 1861. This made it an offence for a person to voluntarily have "carnal intercourse against the order of nature." Wik

Also see LGBT themes in Hindu Epics

So it seems morality is taught so that reasoning can upgrade. That's what religion and the Law is designed to do, to teach and guide people into the desired morality by those who have upgraded already, the teachers and guides.

Seun:
Can you describe what it means for morality to be objective or subjective? I feel that a clear and generally accepted definition of subjective and objective morality will quickly clear up our apparent disagreement.

Johnydon22 was thorough in this regard.

johnydon22:
Subjectivity means something is a matter of individual belief

Objective means something is independent of belief

but Intersubjectivity means something is a matter of a large collection of individual beliefs.

Martinez19:
They are equivalent in the aspect that they don't change regardless of what people think. Morality is not just a belief or idea, I believe that it's something we are born with and it's governed by reasoning and empathy. The difference in moral norms across all places and history is due to influence of religious and cultural upbringings (both of which are usually merged together and influence reasoning).

If "we are born with" "moral norms", how come it changes by location and can be influenced by subjective beliefs?

Meanwhile, Minnesota state Rep. Jim Knoblach ends campaign amid ahead of a Minnesota Public Radio report detailing allegations of sexually inappropriate behavior brought forward by his daughter.

And,

Garrett Ventry, a communications adviser for the Senate Judiciary Committee's GOP majority who was leading the committee's response to allegations against Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh, steps down amid sex harassment claim.

Can't CNN stop faking news!

mojeer678:
Hahaha!!!



GOOD NEWS: KAVANAUGH TO BE CONFIRMED FRIDAY MORNING WHILE WARNINGS WERE ISSUED TO ANYONE STAGING FRADULENT SLANDER HOAXES BEFORE CONGRESS.

If Trump really does get 5 supremes appointed, as some are claiming he will, it will trench the deep state badly. Right down the middle of the swamp.

When Bret Kavanaugh is confirmed, the deep state will be screwed. Soros and his kids may be turned over to Hungary. The money for all the protests and election rigging and whatever else Soros was funding will be gone.

Australia and Great Britain will be charged with international crimes for interfering with an American election.

Lynch, Comey, Yates, Rice, Brennan and more, including Obama, will be facing sedition charges and more, and will be going to prison for decades.

At this point, the left could care less about how ridiculous their charades look, with 75 percent of the American population calling bullshit; all the left cares about is stalling Bret's confirmation until someone gives up and they won't all hang. They then have everything riding on stealing the mid terms and impeaching Trump. It is their only hope.

A confirmed kav brings the supreme court into the swamps if you ask me. But I wouldn't be surprised if he was confirmed, though I think he can't possibly be. If he puts his country above self interest, he'd step down himself. Even if he was confirmed, he'd be hobbled, nd a hobbled scj is no good for anyone.

Anyway, tomorrow soon come. Gops have hired a competent sexual assault investigator, and if she does her job properly, we'd have a clearer idea how bad this is. If as bad as I think, I expect him to say, "I no wan do no more". kav's head's a gunner by end of tomorrow, is where my moneys at.

tintingz:
Oro is against human right, wether it's done in the night or day, it's not an excuse. There is freedom of movement in the country, why is that being overlooked when it comes to Oro practice?

Nigeria is govern by the Constitution not some ancient law.

Good point. Just that that same constitution guarantees the freedom to practise ones religion, except oro went way too far and should be arrested and charged.

Any updates?

CNN predicts the fall of kav tomorrow.

Butterflyleo:
You are such a shameless and confused fellow. Have you ever heard mama piss make any statement regarding all the loot she took openly? Can she even put together a proper sentence not to even talk about making a statement.

Abeg shift

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIlHbWMwuHs

Throwback:
PDP and their sycophants were just trying their best to twist this straight forward affair into a situation that suggest that Aisha Buhari is as corrupt as Patience Jonathan.


What I find most intriguing about PDP sycophants is that rather than show remorse for the very obvious cases of corruption involving their party chieftains and presidency, they would rather hope to argue with the most unrelated circumstance, that everyone else is as as corrupt as they are, so their corruption should be disregarded like it never happened.


Yet they are the ones wailing and lamenting that there is no development in the country. A country they ruled for 16 out of the last 19yrs.

I only pray that God will show such a wicked and corrupt generation, mercy on the last day.

Amen!

stevemarkdangot:
Dear Nairalander, I think it's high time we the citizens champion complete overhauling of our constitution. It's stated in the constitution that with an attempt of Ssce one can contest and be elected as a president or Governor. But, with a degree, you must have NYSC . Are we sane?! This and many more laws and policies are what militates the overall growth of the country.

I think the law was, do not lie if you don't have one and definitely don't provide a fake one!

Why Buhari Must Have A Second Term

Some of us think things happen randomly. Come over to the Regs section and you'd soon read 'so, did humans become by chance?'

Integrity, is one question people cast about when accessing Buhari. I read a lot about his so called corruption. Yet, I say, Buhari is the president or head of state of Nigeria, bar Murtala perhaps, with the most integrity that Nigeria has had in my lifetime! For comparison, Shagari was ineptitude that became a free for all, GEJ was, "na we de dere and na we go de dere forever so make we chop", and Abacha was, "I'm gonna live forever so let me take as much of it as possible and make it mine". Sai bubu is, "come on guys, stop this stealing". As a message, it is mighty enough for me, considering, so Sai my bubu second term, indeed!

Some of you actually believe it is God that freed the Israelites from captivity and struck down Abacha, yet you cannot fathom that God could possibly have chosen a Buhari to rule over you because he is most merciful and wise. Buhari has been around a long while so he knows the forces that stop Nigeria developing and the magnitude of the job to wrestle it out of their hands. To imagine freeing Nigeria from its Egyptian Captivity would take one single term is stupid and ignorant and shut up even, for you know absolutely nothing of that which you speak of, forgive my outburst. Ten plagues it took for the Israelites to be released from their's and you expect no pain for Nigerians emancipation?! In Yoruba we'd say, you think its oju la san; not many argue that Buhari is facing powers and principalities.

Buhari has shown how resolute he is. Little to say, not swayed by sentiment, and thoughtful before acting because he knows he can put his foot in mouth, yet, the likes who's enemies, opposed to his actions, cower fearfully at his feet. Okay, so no one is particularly fearful of Buhari, but you can't say that those who ought to be aren't threading much more carefully than they would have done! Just look at that Jagbajantist Jaguda. Would his swagger not be more if Buhari were not President? I think his swagger would be a hundred fold more and that of many like him in thousands too, so sai my bubu Buhari for me not having to continously moan about Jagaban's robbery in my face all the time. The eighties Buhari would have thrown his ass in jail for two hundred years, but I'm glad he has transformed more into a President, as opposed to a dictator, which is more his bent.

People used to say, "whether na my money or somebody else's money, God don't make me lack either". That is like saying "God, bless this thief I am about to steal"! The fact is, if you have less money power under Buhari than under GEJ, you probably hate Buhari, but as my bubu once said, you are a lazy Nigerian and should starve if you are waiting for manna from heaven! The pharaohic looting of Nigeria's wealth under GEJ is just not compatible with Nigeria's progress.

Buhari goes before that Pharaoh that stops Nigerians developing, and lacking the arrogance to assume "I, Buhari can do it alone", beside him stands Osinbajo, the wisest, most capable, most integrous (is that a word even?) Vice President Nigeria has ever had, like an Aaron besides Moses stands he beside my bubu, and you are not saying "Sai Bubu Almighty", even, oh ye of dim wit who see no further than the nose. Or will it not be that sai bubu's second term, him frail and ill, the young and energetic and full of Spirit Osinbajo would rule Nigeria like an Anointed, and doing so well as VP and for a first term, and for a second term as President Osinbajo trampling on enemies of Nigeria who will all fall by 2031!

The non-lazy Nigerians, those who want progress for our most illustrious nation, if not exactly this very day, but the not too distant future, realise that it's not only Buhari who will carry cross for Nigeria, but everyone of us. And the very beginning of the unfolding of that is, Sai my bubu, the cattle herder from Daura!

O, isn't he all so Abrahamic, my bubu!

Aaronsrod:
You are not a Christian.

You are not a Nigerian.

What are you?

If you support gayism you are a gay and the wages of Sin is Death!!

Aaronsrod:
You are not a Christian.

You have not read the Bible.

Levitcus 20:13.

We must kill them all!

Sounds like you are willing to commit murder.

Are you a "Nigerian Christian"?

Or, people rather. Is Aaronsrod what it is to be a "Nigerian Christian"?

Like, it is. Share, if not, please.

PDPGuy:
Hi everyone,

Welcome to the (revamped) American politics thread where we are free to talk about all things connected to political events in the United States.

We should endeavor to be civil in our discussions, and eschew unnecessary personal attacks on each other.

It's probably time for a revamp of the revamped.

Aaronsrod:
You are not a Christian.

You have not read the Bible.

Levitcus 20:13.

We must kill them all!

You go do that and we will throw your ass in jail where you'd most definitely be introduced to those you wish to exterminate. And a befitting reward for your godliness it would be too.

Meanwhile, I'm glad we don't allow Christians crackpots like you to rule anywhere.

Aaronsrod:
Overlook

HE has commanded us to kill them.

So it has been written - so it shall be done!

IJN.

The Jesus of love your neighbour "commanded" you to kill!?!?

Is there pages missing from my Bible

obixcel:
Swamp Watch: Rod Rosestein on his way out of business - The swamp will be drained one way or the other. It's all coming to light. Many have been attempting to launch a soft coup against President Trump since the day he was sworn in into Office, and Rat Rosestein is one of the deep state chills.

If only Trump had hired this guy, right? I'd be able to say he's cleaning the swamp he dirtied. But you'd wonder.

Butterflyleo:
Osun government didn't refuse to pay salaries. Salaries were being paid but based on an already agreed payment pattern between the workers and the government.

Every single worker was being paid but each level of worker received either full or half and not zero salaries as is widely claimed

Sorry, not true. Even at half pay, Aregbe owes months salary! Months go by in Osun and there's no alert for even the half that level 8 and above are paid.

laffwitmi:
F9 senator ....This country is Bleep...

Against a "not pay salary" governor?

Go figure!

itchie:
Hey, oga stay off this, haven't you noticed that it is only those two lunatics that we respond to in that manner? It's for a reason, they started throwing insults at everybody on this thread and most of us started responding in kind much later because every attempt to reason with those two fools was only met with more insults. You can go way back on this thread and you will see that those two lunatics have been insulting us for years but not anymore, I for one will not take it anymore. I believe I have explained things to you in a rational manner. If you want the insults on this thread to disappear then talk to your two friends to stop their madness or we will have no option but to continue kicking their asses

I don't particularly mind the insulting. What I do mind is the wrong view I get when a person's posts are edited then posted as the original poster's. But once I get over that, the mad people become rather unmissably obvious, I dare say.

itchie:
Those two lunatics are a problem, I am just doing my best to keep their madness in check

You are not keeping anyones' madness in check. You are merely becoming the problem by unnecessarily adding your madness to it!

So, your Lord so hates homosexuals, that it's willing to overlook you murdering them, according to you all?!

It's so good that the Lord has determined this guy would be a serial loser!

Larry Kilgore has never won a Republican primary. He ran for governor in 2006 and came second in the Republican primary behind Governor Rick Perry with 50,119 votes (7.64%). He then ran for the U.S. Senate in 2008 and came second in the Republican primary behind Senator John Cornyn with 225,897 votes (18.51%). He ran again for governor in 2014 but was not a factor in the March 4 nomination of fellow Republican Greg Abbott, the outgoing state attorney general, who succeeded Perry as Governor in January 2015. He ran for the Republican nomination for governor in the March 6, 2018 Republican Party Primary Election, against Gregg Abbott and Barbara Krueger. Kilgore came in last place with only 1% of the vote.

itchie:
Hehehe, what is happening here? Foolish monkey Kophschmerzen is disturbing the peace of the forum again? Chill guys, I got this


Fixed

You are disturbing the readability of the thread, behaving just like you claim the Dems are behaving. If you are typical, then we better go fabricate some more women!

Anduku:
The only thing going on is a shameless attempt by shameless democraps to undermine Kavanaugh. The fact that everyone the newspaper reached out to corroborate this new clown's story have all denied it happened tells you all you need to know

Isn't there the crime of false allegation? If these women are liars, as you claim, the must go to jail!

You might wanna start saving to feed one more. Or no one said yet she might be tired because you got her pregnant?

obembet:
Rerun elections slated for September 27 in Osun are to hold in seven polling unit across four local government areas.
One polling unit each is in Ife North and Osogbo; two are in Ife South, and three are in Orolu local government area.
INEC declared the rerun after it announced the Osun governorship elections “inconclusive” on Sunday.
It said it had to cancel 3498 votes in the affected areas. The numbers left a difference of 353 between the main contenders APC and PDP.

Despite PDP’s 353-vote margin over APC, all 48 parties will take part in the rerun, INEC said.

Source : https://twitter.com/daily_trust/status/1043868205008195586

lalasticlala

Shame on my Orolu Kingdom!

otherway:
Are you ignorant of the electoral laws?

Yes now! Or least assume we are and cure us by showing us this "electoral law" please.

How long need one beg to be educated round here

lanre4411:
Oga the law the total number of cancelled vote is more than the diffrence of the magin between the first and second contender.

Maybe people see the law says they is shut the fuq up.
Could you provide refs for this law please.

Hardeysolution:
In Ekiti state, Fayemi polled 197,459 votes. His PDP rival Olusola Eleka, a professor got 178,121 votes. The difference was 19,338.


In osun state, PDP's Adeleke polled 254,698 and APC's Oyetola polled 254,345 with a difference of 353. The cancelled votes were 3000+. According to the election guidelines for this nation, this kind of election would be declared inconclusive and there will be a rerun.

You can't compare Ekiti's election with Osun's election. The elections so far have been credible under this administration but the administration wouldn't take the credit but the electoral commission.

No one is more popular between Oyetola and Adeleke, therefore there's no majority. To determine who is more popular, there need to be a rerun.

#Let'sLearnTheTruth

#FaceTheTruth

#UnderstandTheTruth

I can rejoice that my Osun State is an education in democracy, crazy as it is.