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alBHAGDADI:
The resurrection of Jesus was the ultimate sign of His acceptance and approval by God.

Of himself for himself by himself, you mean?

uniqueboi:
We are watching. Let PDP do it's ground work at the affected areas. Victory is sure for us.

Your's is one sensible post I've read all day!

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zinnyzee:
I hope you know religion isn't going anywhere anytime soon?

It's here and it has come to stay, regardless whether it contributes positively or negatively to the society.

Roses, yeah? Smell them! All around is spat on mud rubbed vigorously in peoples' eye and they run screaming, "We can see!"

The poor may always be amongst us but they will reduce in number!

zinnyzee:
I'm not sure if what i practice can be referred to as religion, but i know i'm not letting it go anytime soon cus believe it or not, it actually gives me a sense of direction!

Hold it tight. See where it leads.

Primesky:
To be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace!

Explain!

onomefm:
https://www.bbc.com/pidgin/resources/idt-813d4457-e9d0-4137-937a-1a643fb0a73a

All the blue spots on the map shows Iwo. I didn't know Iwo was in three places!

obixcel:
Story! Story! - Story!! Once upon a time, Time! Time! There was once a time the Tortoise had no cracked shell, until one day, he looked up at the sky and saw other birds flying. He said to himself, "oh! How I wished I was one of those birds.." (he sighed deeply in self-pity) Then one day he figured out a plan in what would change his life forever for generations to come. What he did next would blow everyone's mind, and then.............................
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To be Continued

Till Nov6! I am hoping it's your mind that gets blown, just so we know where we stand.

TATIME:
What a wonderful illustration you've reminded followers of this thread my friend? The Pharisee went away with pride as in not ready to add to what he thought he knew but the tax collector realized that HE'LL NEED DIVINE APPROVAL ALWAYS! Well you can draw the conclusion PERSONALLY to know how each individual fits into the illustration. Those who keeps searching for God's face and favor or those who feels there OK! I just hope you too will act like the tax collector.

While you, who follows Christ act like the Pharisee?
Interesting.

TATIME:
But WISDOM is the "practical applications of accumulated information for lasting benefits" we're 100% sure you can never have this if you're not a believer!

I wonder if you are aware of the sin called hubris? When Christ taught about it he mentioned a tax collector, and phrases like "Lord Lord", and toothache!

itchie:
Oh!!! So you now admit the failing new york times makes up news? Wonderful!! And you all will be complaining when Trump correctly labels them Fake News

All news is somewhat made up. Some just make it up worse and more than others. Its up to oneself to be skeptical about them all especially when they are stating opinions and callingit news.

Trump though, just about fakes everything!

itchie:
Here is some news the liberal media won't want you see, why they are trumpeting their imaginary blue wave, A Republican has just won a seat in the texas senate that has been held by democrats for the past 139 years. The biggest shocker is that African Americans and Hispanics make up over 70℅ of this constituency's population. The very population democrats are relying on for their imaginary blue wave. And more suprising is that the victorious Republican campaigned on a pro guns, pro tax cuts, anti immigration, anti tax funded abortion platform. The fake news liberal media refused to even air the news because it will expose their false narratives. Abbeybailey or Lucasbalo, continue having November 6 on your mind o, it's going to be one of your most painful experiences ever a huge surprise is waiting for all of you

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/09/20/texas-republican-wins-state-senate-race-in-district-held-by-democrats-for-139-years.html

A lot of people would have found it difficult to vote for the dems after this:

"The runoff election was held following the resignation of Democratic state Sen. Carlos Uresti, who was convicted of helping an oilfield service company he co-owned run a Ponzi scheme."

TATIME:
I slept off because yesterday was a busy day for me. Hmmmmmmmmmm you're a perfect example of those who needs a "Bible study" apart from just reading as usual. Most critics do assert that we JWs have turned the Bible upside down to suit our religion not knowing that it's the group that's ever yielding to Bible's standards. OK let's do this together, Israelites demanded for a King but Samuel objected to the idea.1Samuel 8:6,7 noticed what God said "it is not you that they rejected but me as their KING!" Samuel perfectly understood the arrangement because there was no nation back then without a King except just one "Israel". If they're to live as subjects under a King God would have chosen one for them before Moses died. Ecclesiastes 4:1,8:9 says humans only dominate one another to hurt themselves. Jehovah permitted them to have a King and revealed to them the evil repercussions of their decision. 1Samuel 8:10-18 But they've made their minds over the issue. All these consequences humans are experiencing everywhere under their human rulers till today, any society that you feel they're better today must have exterminated many of their rulers in the past as in a revolution. Still they can't have a perfect system because it's only God that's supposed to rule mankind, not man to rule over man! That's why Jesus whom God has chosen to rule must wait for instructions from God.Psalms 110:1-7 This is where all human rulers failed,as they always choose human advisers for themselves! Jehovah's Witnesses do study carefully to grasp God's view from the Bible by meditations on what we read! Proverbs 2:1-5 That's why our organization is unitedly worshipping Jehovah PERFECTLY and that's why others are envious of the group.Psalms 1:1-3

Just imagine Adeboye or TBJoshua or Imam Mohammed ruling everyone in Nigeria. Wouldn't you too be calling for a king even if they say its not them ruling, but God? No sane person rejects a competent benevolent not burning or exterminating but loving and willing to share paradise with everyone God, if it actually exists! If God had done its job better, no one would have rejected it!

That aside, God, who couldn't rule over the Garden of Eden, was definitely not ruling over Israel before giving them a King. It was Samuel who ruled, and before him, Eli, and if that arrangement had continued to work, people wouldn't have asked for a king!

The Bible itself contains what the writers thought was, or wanted others to accept as, God's view. Sometimes they wrote their own view and called it their God's! This is exactly what Samuel was trying to do by making out God was being rejected when he, Samuel was being rejected. Trump just about said the same thing when he warned not to be impeached or there would be a civil war! And it is fashionable today for people to talk absolute rubbish and claim "this is the Word of God". Thankfully, most people have evolved way past such nonsense! Or Trumps version of his presidency would be the authorised history of his time.

TheShopKeeper:
Rosenstein reportedly discussed wearing 'wire,' invoking 25th Amendment against Trump

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/09/21/rosenstein-reportedly-discussed-wearing-wire-invoking-25th-amendment-against-trump.html


The Trump administration was rocked Friday afternoon by a bombshell report saying Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein last year suggested secretly recording President Trump to expose chaos in the White House and enlisting Cabinet members to invoke the 25th Amendment to remove him from office.

Rosenstein adamantly denied the accusations.

“The New York Times’s story is inaccurate and factually incorrect,” he said in a statement to Fox News. “I will not further comment on a story based on anonymous sources who are obviously biased against the department and are advancing their own personal agenda. But let me clear about this: Based on my personal dealings with the president, there is no basis to invoke the 25th Amendment.”


....seems everyone don't trust Donald Trump on what he says anymore, if people like Rosenstein whom he appointed as Deputy Attorney allegedly wanted to secretly record DT...

...now will DT say that New York Times is fake news...

I think this is more likely made up news!

TheShopKeeper:
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/21/trump-russia-documents-carter-page-comey-834665

Trump ditches plans to quickly release Russia probe documents

President Donald Trump on Friday abandoned plans to quickly declassify and release sensitive documents connected to the FBI's Russia investigation, citing a "perceived negative impact" on the probe and concerns raised by "key allies" about dumping the materials.

Trump instead announced that he would defer to a Justice Department watchdog — Inspector General Michael Horowitz, who he once derided as an "Obama guy" — to finish a review of whether anti-Trump bias affected the FBI's handling of its 2016 Russia probe.

Found something fishy in it did he!?

mynairaland2018:
There was a time in the late 90's oro worshippers attacked christians in iseyin too.

I think people are missing the point. I don't believe in violence, but when oro is declared by the king, everyone should stay home as instructed. That is also their own religious practice and they believe the town & their families will be cursed without it. All these clashes never happened in the days of our fore fathers. People nowadays want to be confrontational on purpose, just because.

Christians and muslims need to be respectful and learn tolerance. No one complains when christians get Christmas holidays & preach in public spaces or muslims block the whole road during their Friday prayers. It's an inconvenience to their non adherents too.

Thank you o. After all oro is done in the middle of the night when everyone is in bed and after much warning. But since when did Muslims start doing midnight Mosque?

The oro people should not have gone so far too though, unless people were disregarding their warnings, and even then!

TATIME:
why did God say choosing a King amongst HIS people is a wrong step?

I did not know that God said "choosing a King amongst HIS people is a wrong step"! He did after all say "this time tomorrow I will send you a man from the land of Benjamin. Anoint him ruler over my people Israel; he will deliver them from the hand of the Philistines. I have looked on my people, for their cry has reached me.”

He can hardly be choosing a king for them if he disapproves. Unless you want me to add "Lord God Jehovah, you are very confused" to my list!

TATIME:
And God's word clearly says there can't be equalizing now until God's Kingdom comes!

Any God that says "there can't be equalizing now until God's Kingdom comes" is to start with, a bad creator and should have created better more capable human beings. Such a God has absolutely no faith in the human races' ability to improve and behave less like animals. And that God is rather incompetent since just about all it appeared to be doing is reduce the sufferings of the human race but which you now tell me it never intended to happen. Add liar, to the list too since it deceived many into thinking their life on earth could be less bleak.

You are making me think that I will not "surely die" , since God must have lied then too!

TATIME:
That's exactly what Jesus taught but His followers decided to EQUATE things on their own. And God's word clearly says there can't be equalizing now until God's Kingdom comes!

But meanwhile, we must continue to try to equalise, surely? Or at least don't oppress anyone by adding to the poverty!

TATIME:
Hmmmmmmmmmm i guess i'm the confused one here but why did God say choosing a King amongst HIS people is a wrong step. if you truly have any regard for the written document called Bible? Because right from the onset you've been discarding the idea of living by the standards set in the Bible or regarding it's contents. Perhaps you're changing your stand now that i've caught you quoting documents written before your birth.

Go back and read me all along and you'd see my quoting from the Bible is not new. If you doubt, see here, I strongly advice you consider who might be confused.

There is a clear difference in "living by standards set in the bible", and learning from the Bible and other texts. You pointed out the error in doing the former when you mentioned Ananias.

TATIME:
You're just not getting it my friend. Are you pleased seeing people suffering? You yourself answered NO! So Jehovah also is not pleased with the situation! HE is not saying you shouldn't enjoy the fruit of your labour but that you should know that everyone supposed to enjoy life as in no human supposed to be your gateman, gardener, cook or driver. Everyone supposed to be on their own NO oppression NO superiority. That's what gets some people inflamed with rage as they wish to have someone's daughter as a mistress because she's from a poor home, or someone's son as a sugarboyfriend because he's less privileged. They just want things to continue like that.

Things will continue like that, especially if all some people are doing is go about preaching to people that all they have to do is "accept Jesus into their life" and "your reward is in heaven" .

For your information, we, the todays poor sufferers, are not all sitting there waiting for manna from heaven and accepting our lot. We know that if we do not sow, we shall not reap so we're out there sowing seeds of paradise so it would grow on earth. We may be "gateman, gardener, cook or driver" today, but we or our offspring can be doctors, lawyers and accountants tomorrow, with our own "gateman, gardener, cook or driver" whom by hiring we empower to become what we have become and even much more.

TATIME:
Hmmmmmmmmmm well you're welcome my friend, that's what the first century Christians tried to do, they were trying to eradicate poverty amongst believers because there are those who are rich and those who are poor both to the extreme. So they decided selling properties and bringing the money to share equally amongst themselves. So if a Christian sold a property worth 20M and another sold a property worth 2k everything is shared for the sake of equalizing. But they forgot that Jesus said there will always be poor ones in their midst. Well they learnt their lesson in a bitter way when a Christian couple died for the arrangement and they stopped that program immediately. Until God's Kingdom comes suffering will continue to be here on earth because HE is not the one ruling!

And yet, some refused to stop. They decided that the poor can be less poor, especially if we as rich individuals be less greedy, and besides, perhaps its the way "those first century Christian" tried to do it that's wrong.

This is the foundations of universal health services in some nations that have them and social benefits for the complete havenots. They say, no matter how poor you are we shall not just leave your poor ass on the street to die.

The poor may always be there but the haves (as well as in spirit), must continue to give from the abundance of their hearts to relieve that poverty and not just say, "there'll always be poor, serve them right"!

TATIME:
Are you a contestant in "stand up Nigeria" comedy show of Funmi Davies? My friend you should be because you can crack ribs with laughter! Instead of knowing what happened behind the scene that lead the death of those tyrants, you're thinking they lost their grip on power simply because majority is against them. Hmmmmmmmmmm You're so carried away with confusion to the extent of quoting "recorded events that were WRITTEN before your birth" but furiously arguing against another document containing "recorded events before your birth" Well that's just by the way,please you need to learn how to distinguish between the ability of visible intelligent creatures like you and the invincibility of invisible and mighty intelligent spirit beings. 2Kings 19:35

You would note that I did say "ask Samuel," which indicates that I am in no way "furiously arguing against another document containing "recorded events before your birth"".

Are you sure the confusion is mine?

TATIME:
So if we're trying to tell them God is not pleased with this system, they become inflamed with rage!

How can God not be pleased with me going to earn a living and enjoying the fruits of my labour? You can't tell me JWs don't go to work to earn a living! Do they just not enjoy it?

Any God who says that better not be asking me to donate anything! And he better Paradise come so I can have all I need without having to sow. Till then, sow we must, pleased with the system or not.

TATIME:
That's where you missed it! There is clear distinction between what you're hoping for and what the one who has the power to do it decides. JWs are looking forward to the time when the earth will become a Paradise,Jehovah who has the power to do bring about the change said "it can't be possible as long as there are disobedient ones living on earth",to make us work as a sign of love for these so called disobedient ones He commanded us to keep going to preach (beg) them to change and teach (inform) them about HIS plans. Whoever is anticipating death or extermination for other souls can't be a witness of Jehovah because you must go to them begging them not rejoicing in your heart. Jehovah does not want them dead but there is nothing else HE can do if they insist on their former way of doing things. HE must exterminate them for peace to reign but before then HE will have given them all the chances in the world. Matthew 24:14 says our preaching is to serve as a witness onto all the nations, so no one will say "i never saw the peacemakers coming to knock on my door both in rainy and dry season"

I guess you've discovered why Jehovah is not my God. I see people all around me suffering, and going to tell them to believe in some after life just doesn't cut it for me. Besides, "let your light shine" sounds more like "get off your ass and help people" and not just "preach the good news to them".

It is as John discovered, "the lame walk, the blind see" and only unto some is the gospel revealed. Those with greater understanding give back a lot more.

AbdelKabir:
the Qur'an is the UNCREATED speech of Allaah, and that is why the verse you brought said what it said, only a created thing has an end, the speech of Allaah, it is not created so it can never be exhausted. So the word of Allaah is there to guide you and tell you what to do and what not to do, so you are to take the one who speaks these uncreated words as God not his attribute (which is his words).

It was a great feat of the Prophet Muhammed to have understood what was put forward in John's prologue, but the literal Word, or understanding of it, cannot be all that was meant, nor can any one book be the total extent of it since all those trees and pens seven times in the Quran itself says so.

The Quran is indeed merely a guide. It is in no way God, neither is that which it points to, nor is the pointer. Taking any of them and calling it "the one who speaks", and "uncreated words", is a sort of deification, a creation of images to worship. Surely, the Quran guides against the bowing down and worshipping anything but God!?

AbdelKabir:
I don't know if I understood your point here but if I did then:

No sane person will ask you to make a book your God, the Qur'an is the UNCREATED speech of Allaah, and that is why the verse you brought said what it said, only a created thing has an end, the speech of Allaah, it is not created so it can never be exhausted. So the word of Allaah is there to guide you and tell you what to do and what not to do, so you are to take the one who speaks these uncreated words as God not his attribute (which is his words).



The Qur'an itself alludes to the fact that a true believer is he who follows all the previously sent book and the Quran itself. If you believe on only the previously sent books without the Qur'an you are not a true believer, and if it is vice versa, you aren't a believer as well, you must believe in all. But the issue is, the previously sent books have been distorted. And it's clear even from their own scholars! So Muslims believe that there are books previously sent but what we have today has been mutilated, mutilated without recognition. Only the Qur'an stands without being distorted.

All books have been distorted from what was originally intended and claiming one particular one isn't is simply an attempt to make it the only God. Believable, but not true.

Besides, one must not make images and call them God, for God must be mightier, bigger, greater, etc than can possibly be bounded in one single book, even if all the trees et al.

The issue here is indeed 'believe'. I am a very unbelieving individual. I don't hold things to be true if evidence suggests otherwise.

TATIME:
Hmmmmmmmmmm you're saying something that's exciting now! So you agree that some supernatural forces can be responsible for extermination of life on earth?

I am saying that if individuals on Nairaland say their god would exterminate those who don't believe it, they can unleash the sort of hatred that led to WW2.

The "supernatural forces" are not responsible for the extermination. The individuals who have such hateful thoughts are!

TATIME:
Please what do you think about this statement?Are you saying there are unseen supernatural forces?Or you're just saying it because you've heard it sometimes somewhere?

I'm saying it because you don't seem to recognise the higher implications of what you say. It is simple thought "exterminate those others" that became the supernatural forces that were unleashed in WW2!

TATIME:
You need to calm down my friend, it's just a contest between two intelligent creatures who are debating on who has the higher power of reasoning,not a tug of war. So relax and let me hear something much more reasonable from you than accusing me based on what someone else said in my behalf yet not ready to listen to my side of the story but furiously judging me without allowing me to defend myself. You're packing true Christians along with misrepresentation, and i'm trying to explain or differentiate between misinformed churchgoers and true Christians but you keep hammering on the things false religions said and taught. That's exactly why i said atheists are novice because you're all dwelling on what misinformed religious churchgoers taught you. For example an atheist asked me about Omnipotent, Omniscience,Omnipresence. And after proving from the Bible that God never present HIMSELF like that he was dumbfounded.

You keep telling me to calm down, meanwhile, I'm clearly asking you about what you specifically said about extermination. I'm sure I stated how I feel about such outlooks and "calm" is definitely not one of them, I am very intolerant off exterminators regardless of what god they hide behind.

Please, if I misunderstand you, stop saying atheism make me stupid like its some operation that removes the brain and be responsible and enlighten me, if you don't mind.

It is most definitely not "just a contest between two intelligent creatures who are debating on who has the higher power of reasoning" but, "against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms", the ways we think and reason and believe that ends up creating the fears that make us want to get rid of the others, on earth or in heaven! It is my most strongest opinion that anyone who reasons this way strays into "thanks I'm not like that other over there", and is not, and should not, be justified.

alhassanyusuf29:
why not embrace it then if u had no issues?

Same reason I don't embrace Socrates, or Plato, or Aristotle, or some local pastor or Bible or anything for that matter really, especially words in particular handed down in antiquity. And that's if by 'embrace', you mean, adopt as my Word of God dictating to me what and how the world is and what and how I must worship.

My Quran clearly states that if "all the trees on the earth were pens, and all the sea (were ink), with seven more seas added thereto, the words of God would not be exhausted in the writing".

It would therefore be rather ill-advised for me to read one book and make an idol out of it and call it God especially when I have so many more 'words of God' at my disposal. If I had made one of the previous works my sole God book, I might never have learnt that wonderful wisdom. Though, more likely, a person like me making Gods out of books, there'd be hundreds of idols!

It is, in my opinion, not wise to live on one book alone, but by every word that proceedeth from God's mouth or hand or written by someone else. And that's why I'm not an embracer of any single one, sort of person, so to speak.

TATIME:
You yourself are promoting prejudice! I told you those you knew before causing or doing those things aren't Christians,but you just want to keep blaming the innocent! Religion has it's own God and Christianity has it's own God, but because all are claiming Christians you don't want to know anything more. Last time my cousin traveled to South America, all other passengers in the plane were searched with a simple device that was used to rob their body but with the Nigerian passport my cousin was kept behind for a THOROUGH searching. He was asked to remove all his clothes because he is from Nigeria That's exactly what you're doing to all who believes in God because of what some have done in the past.

They were not searching him because of Jesus! And that's beside the point. If anything we should fight for such things to stop, and not just hope it does not happen to us, selflessness is after all a fundamental teaching of Christ. If he'd behaved the way you're suggesting, Christ would have said, "cross? Fuq that! And let everyone go and die for their own sins. He would hardly have had the credibility to say "Take Up Your Cross and Follow Me"!

TATIME:
Oh get sense? Of course HE will after HIS son has gotten rid of all those who aren't ready to obey Him as King.Luke 19:27 compared with Psalms 110:2

So, God will conquer us like “A man of noble birth [who] went to a distant country to have himself appointed king and then to return", on this planet earth, so full of democracy, and in the 21^st Century?

I suggest Jehovah go read up on some history. Our local Abacha would be a good start, then jump to Nicholas Tzar of Russia, I think, the second. Do some American Revolution, then go and ask Samuel to tell why a King was appointed over Israel. And if he wants more, ask him to consider the battles for emancipation, both Africa and Africans in America, then British History itself. This list is not exhaustive, do note. But he'll get an idea of what modern humans do to tyrants who think they can appoint themselves king over us and tax us and kill us if we don't pay up.