₦airaland Forum

Thebabenextdoor:
There is no need for toilet, the country is already a shithole

That's somewhat true, but Nigerians should be minded that no foreigners came to poo on us. Na we shit for body de hold nose. The poo you smell is ours.

Sharpshooota:
Bubu is in the business of sending herdsmen and pythons on defenseless Christians... Let's no talk about the Shiites too...

No right thinking Christain will associate with a chronic terrorist... I think you need the getting out more

There's "right thinking Christians"? If there are any, they'd have been calling the previous President and the one before him terrorist too. Or weren't "herdsmen and pythons" terrorising people then?

If you got out more, you'd know more Muslims are being killed in the predominantly Muslim North than Christians. But that wouldn't fit the narrative explaining why you don't have a toilet in your house I guess.

The only terrorism Bubu is doing is the depriving you of a free lunch.

Sharpshooota:
They are here to defend the king of the zoo

Allah Akbar my Muslim friend

So, only your Muslim friends support Bubu?
You need to get out more!

Ubenedictus:
so you will agree that God took flesh in Mary's womb, Mary carried God in human flesh for nine months, Mary gave birth to God in human flesh and nurtured him?

But you won't agree that Mary is the mother of God?


If you don't agree with the earlier phrases please tell me the ones you agree with and the ones you disagree with

He's all over the place!

Sharpshooota:
Zoo Animals on parade
That's why they chant sai barber

So, its Bubu who no gree you get toilet for your house? He come there remove am ko? Ijiot!

Kophschmerzen:
You should be eaten by a wild beast. The vigor to vote out Trump in this country haven't been witness since I start been politically conscious.

Is it huge? I keep fearing he won't get kicked out, though deep down, I can't imagine anyone under 25 voting for him again.

obixcel:
The only job you losers will be engaged in until President Trump leaves Office in 2025 will be reading Books.

Oh, thats ok for me. I love reading. Besides, the guy's comedy value beats almost anything out there.

Only pity is some have to live in the country he rules. I hold you all in my thoughts daily.

I got copy of Fear. You want it?

Abbeybailey:
There's a case of Lacquan McDonald going on in Chicago now. Lacquan is the young black man that was shot in the back 16 times by a White Police officer named Jason Van Dyke. You will never see the like of Obixcel who loves the Klans say anything about that but let Serena Williams shows her anger over tennis calls, the racist lapdogs will make a big deal out of that. Who shot someone 16 times in the back while the person shot was moving away. Trump's time in America. Jean , a young black American was shot dead in his apartment in Upscale area of Dallas by a White Police female officer. That's what African Americans face in America but leave to the degenerates from the backwater village to tell us that Blacks are complaining too much. Over to you racist pig lovers.

I think what people like about Trump is that he has hoodwinked people with his supposed Jesus support. Christians think he's on their side when he really is only on the side of money in his own pocket.

I'm glad money is going into all these books about him. The longer he's president, there's bound to be more. I just hope you all don't disappoint me come Nov 6!

solite3:
God is God irrespective of your views. He has his standard he decides to do whatever he will. God does not change,

Sounds like idle rhetoric to me. God changed, is the truth. First God was the jealous God who entertains no equal, now here we are claiming not only that Jesus and the holy spirit are God's equal but the same one thing.

I guess you're right, God and God's followers do whatever they will and even make it up as they go along!

Meanwhile

As they sat down to dinner, Trump wanted to gossip about the news of the day. Senator John McCain, displaying his maverick credentials, had publicly criticized the U.S. military raid in Yemen.
Trump lashed out, suggesting that McCain had taken the coward’s way out of Vietnam as a prisoner of war. He said that as a Navy pilot during the Vietnam War McCain, whose father was Admiral John McCain, the Pacific commander, had been offered and taken early release, leaving other POWs behind.
“No, Mr. President,” Mattis said quickly, “I think you’ve got it reversed.” McCain had turned down early release and been brutally tortured and held five years in the Hanoi Hilton.
“Oh, okay,” Trump said.
Gray, who had served five years in the Marine Corps, was struck that the secretary corrected the president directly, and that Trump, known to bristle when challenged, would be so accepting.
P92, Fear: Trump in the White House

Abbeybailey:
Isn't it ironic that the gutless punk that always accuse other people of throwing insults is the king of insult himself. I am a well known guy here and i do not hide my feelings because that's the way I was raised by my parents and the neighborhood I grew up in . It's so funny that people that have Nigeria tearing up at the seams are laughing all the way to the banks securing the future of their kids and grandkids while mortgaging the future of the poverty stricken loudmouth Americanna wannabe or American political experts on Nairaland. The loudmouth here Will tell you how much they know about America when the scoundrels never set a foot on an airplane in their life. Their greatest achievement in life is leaving their villages to settle in one of the cosmopolitan cities in Nigeria. They will never pay attention to all the nepotism, corruption, tribalism and cronyism going on in a place where their live are directly affected. No wonder they keep on producing worthlessly inept leaders one after the other for decades. Misplaced priority since none of the so called American experts and supporters of a vile racist can even get a U S visa under the regime of the racist pig. Charity begins at home. If the efforts you all put in supporting a worldly shunned president is put to making Nigeria better, she will be a paradise on heart. Elections are coming on in Nigeria soon and you loudmouth will get your usual little bags of rice and cooking oil to quench your hunger for few days. You might be lucky to get extra N500 to go with your rice. That's how they keep some of you guys in perpetual bondage and misery. Bunch of unemployed graduates foaming in the mouth about a country they can't even travel to. The joke is on you. Will continue to show my umbrage as long as I am on this forum when people who have no stake in America is towing the line of the Klannish President who is a sociopathic lying bigot. My stakes are very high here unlike you rabble rousers.

You must forgive us but that "Klannish President who is a sociopathic lying bigot" affects us all.

Fyi, Never been America. Closest I got was Mexico.

babalola2695:
I am a traditionalist.

So where the British, all of Europe, the Japanese, and the Chinese at various points until they decided to ja ọwọ kuro ninu apọn ti ko yọ and gbe omi ila ka ina and develop.

vaxx:
there is not pleasent chanda, and at apoint Chanda must be abandon when it is ripe to do it. With thanha which is closely translated as craving, you might be wrong...


Take a look at

this.....http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/mn/mn.022.than.html

How does one tell the difference between desire and craving.

The complexity of Buddhism eludes you. That is the reason you argue about chandas and tanhas being desires or cravings, and perceive a contradiction in the FNTs, and is summarised by the following which you yourself provided.

"Monks, there is the case where some worthless men study the Dhamma: dialogues, narratives of mixed prose and verse, explanations, verses, spontaneous exclamations, quotations, birth stories, amazing events, question & answer sessions [the earliest classifications of the Buddha's teachings]. Having studied the Dhamma, they don't ascertain the meaning (or: the purpose) of those Dhammas with their discernment. Not having ascertained the meaning of those Dhammas with their discernment, they don't come to an agreement through pondering. They study the Dhamma both for attacking others and for defending themselves in debate. They don't reach the goal for which [people] study the Dhamma. Their wrong grasp of those Dhammas will lead to their long-term harm & suffering. Why is that? Because of the wrong-graspedness of the Dhammas.

You haven't even noticed how a chanda desire itself can become a tanha desire and vice versa.

Desires come in numerous forms. They could be the expectations one has, things one needs, how one wishes things to be, beliefs, cravings, hunger etc. The idea is not simply only what the desires actually are, but also in what way one has them, and when they are held.

No one would claim a desire for food when hungry is a wrong desire for instance. Nor would many say a desire for world peace was unhealthy. But you might see how even the desire for world peace can be wrongly held when one, say, abandons ethics and moral considerations in attempting to fulfill the desire. And there sure is a right way to ensure no hunger - planting maize three months ago springs to mind. You'd agree that the desire for more food after a hearty meal just makes one a glutton.

Karl Popper wrote an interesting book titled All Life is Problem Solving. I borrow that title when I say "all life is desire". At the very least is the desire not to be hungry, be in pain or die. Another is to not be stupid and ignorant. You wouldn't argue that these are undesirable desires, but you may say they are wrongly held if one smoked a lot, drank a lot, did no exercise and hit one's thumb with a hammer five times a day. I'm sure you'd agree that a desire to not be stupid and ignorant is wrongly held by those who think they already know it all and refuse to learn. Essentially, the desire may be good, but the means to achieve it may be wrong, and this would make what would otherwise be considered a right chanda desire a wrong tanha desire, just by the tanhaic nature in its means.

See the link you posted. A desire for a raft to cross a river exists. Let's assume the intent and purpose of crossing the river is positive and that therefore, the desire for the raft is a positive desire. Can you see how holding on to this desire becomes a burden if held once the river is crossed? A desire may be chanda at the right moment but become a tanha if held on to way after it has stopped being beneficial. A clear cut example is the desire a parent has that makes them protect their offspring but which they have to let go of to further achieve their goal. Protect a child past a point in the child's development and the child would need protection from the overprotecting parent. "One has to hold onto the raft properly in order to cross the river. Only when one has reached the safety of the further shore can one let go."

The FNTs are simply claiming that holding on to, or practising the wrong understanding, wrong thought, wrong speech, wrong action, wrong livelihood, wrong effort, wrong mindfulness and wrong concentration would cause suffering, since they are unhelpful cognitive distortions, tanha, which cause suffering in the individual. Replacing them with the, Right thought (Samma sankappa), Right speech (Samma vaca) , Right action (Samma kammanta), Right livelihood (Samma ajiva) , Right effort (Samma vayama), Right mindfulness (Samma sati) and Right concentration (Samma samadhi), chanda, would eliminate those sufferings.

The same concept is used in Cognitive-behavioral therapy where the focus is on challenging and changing unhelpful cognitive distortions (e.g. thoughts, beliefs, and attitudes) and behaviors, and improving emotional regulation and the development of personal coping strategies. The aim being to solve current existential problems.

What actually brought me back to this thread was how the wrong desires affect nations. Nigeria has the 'desire' to make 'believers' out of its people. While some of the intended outcomes of this desire might be improved morals and ethical behaviour - the evidence does not suggest that these outcomes of improved morals and ethical behaviour are being achieved however - there's a consequential lack of progress and development compounded by the antipathy of some towards learning and science and technology. I would claim we have the right chanda desires of progress and development, but we go about achieving them in the most tanhaic wrong way possible. The only way for Nigeria to progress is to abandon the wrong ways we currently adopt, and replace them for the right ways. It's what more developed nations have had to do, one of the latest examples being China, who are abandoning the communist rigidity of the past for the more laissez faire individualist doctrine of unrestricted freedom in commerce.

'Desire', as used in Buddhism, does not simple mean the English language craving. The Pali and Sanskrit texts make this obvious. We unfortunately loose a lot in translating to the less rich English Language. But there's a reason why tanha is split into kama-taṇhā (craving for sensual pleasures), bhava-taṇhā (craving for existence) vibhava-taṇhā (craving for non-existence), and so much more that becomes obvious once one starts seeing the twig in one's own eye.

There is a reason why the Buddhists would say,
Oṃ maṇi padme hūṃ.

hadow:
they are triune (that is all encompassing enough), and God's glory cannot be shared with mortals, it was a normal child bearing experience.

Many don't agree that it was "a normal child bearing experience", especially when taking the actual conception into consideration.

And despite God being a jealous God who refuses to share, that consideration is easily waived where Jesus, a mortal, and the holy spirit is concerned, so I see no problem with further sharing "God's glory" with a quarternity that includes God's mother. After all, since the "I am a jealous God" rule has already been broken, twice, and the "graven image" rule too many times, what really does it matter if you're in for the pound?

solite3:
1/God the Father and his Son are not two Gods but one

There's threads where this issue is flogged continously so I will limit myself to pointing out the absurdity of an Almighty God, the creator of heaven and earth and all that's in between, the know it all before it even began, allowing itself to be strung up by its creation between two pieces of wood!

I really would have thought the flood, salt and burn your ass God, would have gone about things different to how Jesus is written to have done. Perhaps God evolved.

solite3:
2/ Yea Mary experience the normal biological experience of giving birth to a child but however someone else's child.

Just as a surrogate mother is not the mother? She surrogated for God! Its sheer patriarchalism not to consider her worthy of greater veneration than "blessed", in my opinion. The same is done to those we wish to not recognise when we belittle their achievements.

MuttleyLaff:
One cant worship Mary
as one dont worship human beings, animals, inanimate objects or celestial being aka angels.
One worships only God.

One would ask why worship the human being Jesus, but I expect to be told he is not human, despite being born like all humans, and dying like one too.

MuttleyLaff:
She actually was privileged
and that's why, on ocassions, she had been said, to be blessed among women.

I guess that's about all the worship she gets, which is significant in its right considering the attitude to women which continues to prevail. I would expect the mother of God to be held much higher than the occasional veneration though, and see the lack of as a trump card that's just yet to be played.

It seems Catholicism has solved the issue of morality in science, albeit by placing it slightly beneath the not-so-scientific, faith

159 Faith and science: "Though faith is above reason, there can never be any real discrepancy between faith and reason. Since the same God who reveals mysteries and infuses faith has bestowed the light of reason on the human mind, God cannot deny himself, nor can truth ever contradict truth." "Consequently, methodical research in all branches of knowledge, provided it is carried out in a truly scientific manner and does not override moral laws, can never conflict with the faith, because the things of the world and the things of faith derive from the same God. The humble and persevering investigator of the secrets of nature is being led, as it were, by the hand of God in spite of himself, for it is God, the conserver of all things, who made them what they are.
Catechism of the Catholic Church
PART ONE: SECTION ONE. CHAPTER THREE .Article 1, III.

vaxx:
No matter how oppressed you might feel, choices are always available.

Choices of desires, perhaps? As in choosing positive chanda desires and not negative tanhā desires?

vaxx:
If you don't see them that is because you are blind to difficult choices and only can see the easy ones.

solite3:
there are no two gods only one

So why worship God and God's son? Is that not two gods? And why not Worship Mary too? Nine months carrying a whole son of God is not child's play I would have thought!

solite3:
deceive me? far from it
yes Jesus is not God the Father but Jesus is equally God. John1:1

solite3:
the son of God is God! scripture is filled with loads of proof

So, there are two Gods?

MuttleyLaff:
¹And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
² That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
- Genesis 6:1-2

In a sentence, my stand on Genesis 6:1-2, is that
the sons of God in the Genesis 6:2 aren't angels
nor are they the sun and moon metaphors used in Job 38:7

That's much better. So, what would you say they could be?

Christianity
Lucifer, a name based on the Latin name for the Morning Star
Jesus, self-described as "the bright Morning Star" in the Christian Bible
John the Baptist, called a "bright morning star" in Eastern Orthodox Church hymnology
Mary the mother of Jesus, called "morning star" in the Litany of Loreto
John Wycliffe, the English theologian, sometimes referred to as the "Morning Star of the Reformation"

Sounds like humtydumtism to me. Make Morning Star mean whatever suits the situation!

MuttleyLaff:
Its torturous searching for it on mobile phone,
but since it's you, your wish is my command.
Man has to do what a man has to do.
I'll try, so watch this space

PS: Budaatum, here it is:
https://www.nairaland.com/4690508/woman-not-god/2#70830167

Thanks for searching. Must say though, that I'm no clearer to understanding your stand on Genesis 6:1-2.

MuttleyLaff:
I already had Budaatum.
I did just that, on one of the earliest of my posts to Maamin on this thread.

Below is a response to your explanation.

Maamin:
None of your explanations are coherent.

Perhaps I have the wrong one though. Could you post a link to your response to Maamin please?

MuttleyLaff:
All, on here, saying angels slept with the daughters of men are slandering the angels and publicly displaying their ignorance

Give me a short non-convoluted opinion on the following:

"When man began to multiply on the face of the land and daughters were born to them. The sons of God saw that the daughters of man were attractive. And they took as their wives any they chose."
Genesis 6:1-2 ESV

What, pray tell, is the ""Gospels" of Transcendentalism"?

MuttleyLaff:
Firstly, bud did you have a reminisce moment with that Strafe tune?

I have a fault in my software that does not allow me to be distracted whilst involved in serious discourse.

sinequanon:
However, I would be interested in hearing from a balanced atheist, who has arrived at his position through critical thought, and is confident enough in his belief system to call it as it is -- his subjectively preferred belief system. Then we can talk about what atheism delivers.

Odd enough, I am not an atheist with a belief system as such, and especially not one of materialism, so I've stolen Christianity as an epistemological system, but without the belief.

Your op sounds more like setting up straw just so you have something to attack.

Sons of the God (Heb: bənê hāʼĕlōhîm, בני האלהים , literally: "Sons of the gods" ) is a phrase used in the Hebrew Bible and apocrypha. The phrase is also used in Kabbalah where Bene elohim are part of different Jewish angelic hierarchies.

I was going to post BibleStudy.org's view on this topic, until I read that "This phrase in Genesis 6:1 - 2 cannot be a reference to angels, either to those who are righteous or evil. The word of God does not contain even a hint that flesh and blood humans can somehow mate with spirit-composed beings!"

So Mary never 'mated' with spirits? It's worth a look at though.

OLAADEGBU:
Are you referring to those nameless sources?

And which "nameless sources" might those be?

OLAADEGBU:
And who fact-checks your fact-checkers?

We, the people, ought to, and in most instances, do.