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killsmith:
ignorance and lack of comprehension of what?

Of whatever it is they actually claim to know.

TATIME:
Not imposing but coming to terms on what's right or wrong! Before religion was introduced, there was hatred, crime, oppression and prejudice, so it's not religion that gave birth to those things they're already existing before the introduction of religion!

So religion should not be adding to the "hatred, crime, oppression and prejudice", Jesus people especially! Or are they not supposed to be blessed peacemakers anymore?

Any God of any body who believes in the extermination of others, for whatever reason, is a repugnant stupid God, and should go and get sense!

buda's stance

TATIME:
You're very funny my friend. Are you agitating against Jehovah's Witnesses or Religion in general? Because there's no religion on planet earth that has no promises of divine judgement on those who fails to comply with their terms. Hellfire (eternal torment) is their watchword but Jehovah's Witnesses believe that those who fails to comply will die as usual and the penalty is dead forever(never coming back). You are an atheist and you don't even buy the idea of an afterlife so why the sudden twist? Meanwhile acholardey surely claims to be a believer, why not ask him what exactly is his own beliefs? Hmmmmmmmmmm thanks to Jehovah for all these timely edition of the watchtower study articles,how can someone think that an atheist (who is claiming there is nothing like divine punishment) and a churchgoer (who is claiming that God will torment HIS enemies forever) could come to terms just because they both want to criticize JWs (Luke 23:12) Certainly the TRUTH has so many hidden ENEMIES TO BE KNOWN from all sides and Jehovah will surely rescue HIS people from them.

TATIME:
You can say that again my friend. Living without growing old, (Job 33:25)getting sick or dying(Isaiah 33:24)no need for security personnel, alert or camera,(Psalms 37:7-11) no fear of natural disasters(Mark 4:39) in every place healthy food will sprout in abundance(Psalms 67:6) Please is the condition where you live presently anything close to that? My friend you should have asked me first what are the benefits of living in Paradise instead of dwelling on what misinformed religious churchgoers are saying.

I think your error is thinking everyone gives as much to the fears of "growing old, (Job 33:25)getting that sick or dying(Isaiah 33:24)no need for security personnel, alert or camera,(Psalms 37:7-11) no fear of natural disasters(Mark 4:39) in every place healthy food will sprout in abundance" - as you do! You perhaps don't know that even while walking in the valley of the shadow of death one should fear no evil Makes me wonder if JWs aren't just promoting some fearful doctrine of an undesirable existence that hardly exists. Paradise, itself, is desirable, no doubt, but with no evidence it exists, I might as well get on with being fruitful and increasing in number; filling the earth and subduing it. "Ruling over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”

It where I am, TATIME, this ground, on this earth, right now, and if here is not close to paradise, I'd like to hope it could someday be and I'd like my god to think so too and give me all the ability to help me make where I am as good as paradise is. Afterall, you are God, why should there not be peace on earth as there is in heaven? Na only una like good thing! Or do you just have so little faith in your very own creations, or even your only begotten son who went down there to die for all those people? You do realise your poxy paradise would have contained only Jews and some 144000 other people right? 144000 plus the Jews for you Lord Jehovah, 7bn to Satan! You need to show some love, God, and get some sense too while you're at it!

I'd hardly like my God Jehovah to be a "happy chosen few" god, I tell you. If any god behaves the way you are describing, I seriously would want to overthrow it or at least kick its ass! Even if gods and paradise were just some cooked up idea that didn't exist, I'd still like to hope here were better than it currently is rather than spend all my time hoping for some blissful existence in some imaginary afterwards that only those who believe what I believe would enjoy. The thought of enjoying while the entire rest of the supposed Lord God's human creation is exterminated is just repugnant to me. And to be honest, nothing about it sounds jesusy at al.

achorladey:
Despite the adjustment you only need to read the
Watchtower May 2018 study edition article three "Know your Enemy" and see that the adjustment still leave less to be desired.

Watchtower May 2018 study edition article three "Know your Enemy" reads like bokoharam but without the killing!

I'm going read it one more time makes sure didn't miss anything.

Meanwhile, JWs, comments??

TATIME:
Yes whoever is not ready to learn how to live in Paradise is directly or indirectly telling Jehovah "i'm not interested",they'll continue to live until HIS time to say "enough".

Nothing will change HIS plans, it's humans that must work in agreement with HIS plans.

It is my own opinion that "HIS plans', as you've described it here, sucks! A more competent God's plan would include making earth paradise instead of giving up on it and threatening people with 'extermination'.

As I mentioned previously, where I live, compared to Nigeria, is paradise. If Nigeria is like it is here, we would call it heaven. I guess those who desire an afterlife in paradise don't need to bother about their temporary existence on earth.

Treating people disrespectfully by threatening them did not work in the garden of Eden, or anytime after that, so perhaps God is refusing to learn from past mistakes, which in my opinion, is not exactly wise.

TATIME:
Yes! Humans set the laws, that's why constitutions differs from one country to another and people setting those laws favor those they love leading to prejudice which in turn leads to anger which in turn leads to disagreement which in turn leads to WAR! You can't travel to America now as a friendly neighbor because of human laws, you'll need a visa since you're not an American.

And how is that a bad thing? Would you like it if some people impose their version of God's law on you?

killsmith:
When it comes to abstract concepts that lack universal and univocal definition e.g nothing, God, life etc, logic is bound to fail Because it's from these definitions we get hypothesis, premises and antecedents. How can we be sure that our hypothesis, premise and antecedents are correct when we do not even understand the abstract concepts? How can we be sure that whatever statements we deduce from our hypothesis are correct? This is the why the biggest problem of logic is language. This is why we might never be able to prove or disprove claims of existence of concepts we have no standard definition for. This is why atheists might never be able to disprove the existence of God and why Christians might not be able to prove God's existence. No need wasting your time. All philosophy is just mental masturbation.

The problem is not language, but personal understanding!

People should learn to take responsibility for their own ignorance or lack of comprehension!

TATIME:
Then you're advocating for a higher intelligent being or an unseen superior form of force gravitating that (God)!"

We don't actually rely on a "higher intelligent being or an unseen superior form of force gravitating" to stop people murdering one another. We set the law on them!

TATIME:
Our plan is to help as many as we could to become Jehovah's Witnesses until Jehovah HIMSELF destroys all those who are opposing US. Exodus 14:14

So, its Jehovah who does the exterminating! I thought Jehovah had given up that stupidity when the flood made no difference! Didn't Jehovah become more compassionate than that by allowing Jesus to come die instead? Why can't Jehovah just create the type of humans it wants instead of creating bad ones too that need extermination?

Ah well, when that exterminating day comes, I'm certain there's going to be a lot of us saying "Jehovah fuq off"! Thankfully, it is bidding its time patiently while we 'arm' ourselves to oppose it!

Omololu001:
well from my personal observation when i visited some places in osun, Christians are the majority.

I'm certain Christians are the majority in some places. I however observed majority Muslim in many places I've been to in Osun State.

Take schools. The increase in the number of Muslim students has necessitated the need to desecularise Christian schools. Though this could be due to the increase in Muslims deciding to go to school, and not an increase of Muslims in the society.

Also, many traditionalists adopt Islam as opposed to Christianity.

Anecdotal, I admit, but that's my observation.

achorladey:
That was the view of Jws previously up until 2016 when it was readjusted and a new direction taken by the Governing body of Jehovah's witnesses printed another article in the watchtower of June 2016 page 16-17 an interesting line about that is below.....

In the past, we have explained that in the modern-day fulfillment of this vision, the man with the secretary’s inkhorn represented the anointed remnant(144,000) and their Companions (THE GREAT CROWD). It was thought that those who respond favorably to the message being preached(by JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES) are now MARKED for survival. In recent years, however, it has become clear that an adjustment needs to be made to this explanation. According to what is stated at Matthew 25:31-33 , Jesus is the one who judges people. He makes his final judgment during the time of the great tribulation, separating the sheeplike ones, who will survive, from the goatlike ones, who will be destroyed.


Please who adjust your understanding, JEHOVAH/JESUS.

This seems to be the Watchtower of June 2016. Could you point out the article please?

OneJ:
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achorladey, "budatuum's question is: "do JWs plan to exterminate those who do not agree with them?"
U are very crooked.

achorladey , who wrote the "vision of the man with the Secretary's ink horn", was it done by JWs ?

2) Who is the source of Matt 25:31-33? Na JW write those verses for Bible ?

These threads are still ongoing on NL forum.
"5 Old beliefs of Pastor kumuyi of Deeper Life....";
"Pastor Kumuyi: I will remove some doctrines in Deeper Life....". etc.

achorladey, U & you crew hero worship him and see nothing wrong in this steps he took.
Him still be una MOG & infallible GOM.


Yet, all of Una dey take madquinine because Jehovah's people , we who really study God's & are quick to align ourselves to God's word & his principles as we gain more insight & understanding.
To do so is HUMILITY.

Una hypocrisy no get rival.

Many times Jesus had to adjust the beliefs of his followers ,so that they will gain more insight & understanding. Matt 20:20-23. Mark 9:30-37.
Even when some of his apostles fled & denied him in his hour of distress, (Mark14:27-31,37-51,66-72), achorladey did Jesus label them a cult or fake prophets?

Many centuries ago, it was believed that the earth was flat, achorladey is that belief still valid today?
Why did U not stick with the earth is flat belief?
Jehovah's people must continue learning & be humble to follow the God's word & stick with his standards, no matter what?

All this, and question not answered!

Do JWs plan to exterminate those who do not agree with them?

Omololu001:
where is your source?

Don't have one. Its a personal observation. And I've found nothing to dispute it.

MIKOLOWISKA:
says who

I just said!

alhassanyusuf29:
did u find any issue or shortcoming from it?

I wasn't looking for issues or shortcomings in it. There was too much good in it for any issue or shortcoming to be what would jump out at me I guess.

Yinka1808:
And APC is in charge of the leading debtors

Who is in charge of the least debtors, make we vote for them.

Olohunjedalo:
Aregbesola is the best governor Osun State ever had .
Quote me again and I will put it in bold.

Seems like we never suffer reach learn lesson in Osun.

I beg vote Aregbe make we suffer more please!

MIKOLOWISKA:
how is osun predominantly Muslim
Even the north is not predominantly Muslim
Do you know what predominant means

Aren't there more Muslims in Osun state than people of any other religion?

Ekkhann:
did you bother to read the post and comprehend what was written??

It appears I didn't, and missed a bit.

budaatum:
Correction!

OneJ:
JWs DON'T (& cant exterminate "those who don't agree with them"
Just like Noah did, our assigned is to preaching the Gospel of God's kingdom Matt24:14. Mark 13:10. . 2pet 2:5-7.

The judgement & extermination of wickedness from the whole world, God gave that assignment for Jesus to perform..
2 thesis 1:5-9.. Matt 24:36-39.
Shalom

Jesus never exterminated anyone! And God sef got tired of exterminations very early on with Noah and salt, or was it a burning, unless one wants to consider the numerous sackings of Jerusalem.

TATIME:
Extermination of those who disregard this perfect arrangement is a must if life on earth will be blissful and secure. Psalms 37:9-11 compare to Zephaniah 2:2,3

Not a lot of people agree with this mode of thought anymore. It was common in Europe in the past, but not anymore do people feel the need to exterminate those who don't agree with some religious arrangement of gods that aren't their own gods. With the exception of the likes of alqaeda, isis, bokoharam, it's almost non-existent anywhere in fact. A lot of people just live and let live.

So, do JWs plan to exterminate those who don't agree with them?

alhassanyusuf29:
so what do you think about it?

Interesting book. It's writer was ingenious. Necessary for it's time. Insightful about the Bible.

alhassanyusuf29:
cover to cover?

Twice

alhassanyusuf29:
why don't you try reading the Quran?

I have read the Quran. It gave me a better understanding about religion in general but never made a believer of me.

Abbeybailey:
Poverty incarnate. You guys supporting the serial and unapologetic lying scum might be inheriting some of his sociophathic lying traits. It was few weeks ago Obixcel was trying to pass himself that he's in US too. Couldn't put anything pass you brainless Americanna wannabe whose future are being mortgaged by the Bubu and his other worthlessly inept Thieflicians stealing Nigeria into bankruptcy while their children are schooling abroad and living a wonderful life. The joke is on you and your life of penury.

Oi! Leave Sai Bubu out a this.

TATIME:
"Jesus is the Almighty God, though people saw Jesus but no one has ever seen the Almighty God and who is the Almighty God =Jesus!"

TATIME:
First of all there is nothing like a place where the dead are tormented, it's either you live forever or forfeit the chances. Jehovah is not interested tormenting Creatures made in HIS image, HIS plan is for everyone of us to live in peace and security. But what about those who won't agree just to HIS terms? They will continue to constitute nuisance and make life miserable for the obedient ones so Jehovah will return them to dust never to be seen again forever!

Like me?! Bold is extermination!

TATIME:
misrepresentation called Church.

Church is an organ grinder!
Gods, in general, is more representative.

Wiseandtrue:
Which alternative Fresh tomatoes is very expensive now.
This government is always doing the right thing at the wrong time

This ban is an opportunity to plant tomato and make money! Abi we no fit grow ordinary tomato again

By the way, when a company goes bankrupt, your pension pafukas as well.

yarimo:
This is what PDP mismanagement of public funds has brought nigeria into. thunder from SAMBISA Forest fire anyone that thinks pdp did well to Nigeria and Nigerians

I think it was my Sai Bubu that refused to pay these pensioners for the past 14 years. That's all the way back to Obj's time when Buhari was Finance Minister. Sai Bubu was also the pilot, co-pilot and stewardess of the single Boeing 737-200 the airline had at its demise in May 2003. Some say he was also the baggage handler, ticket checker, tyre vulcaniser as well as in charge of filling the fuel tank of the plane using his personal credit card, though I have no evidence for this claim.