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Ubenedictus:
nobody has said that Mary gave birth to God the father and the Holy spirit, the term mother of God means that Mary gave birth to Jesus who is God.


as you have said of Mary "so Mary is the earthly mother of God the Son", God the son is God, Mary gave birth to him when he took flesh on earth.

so we are in agreement

Next time anyone tells me God is an uncaused uncaused, or however they put it, I'm quoting you!

God is Mary's son. She named him Jesus.

MuttleyLaff:
I saw you, just now, in your brown tweed chequered jacket

No you never! I haven't worn my "brown tweed chequered jacket" in ages. Must have been the fourth me that you saw.

OBTMOS:
and they are coming to take this value since we can't make use of it

No one comes to take our 'value'. Some of our 'value' begs for permission, freely buys a ticket, gets on a plane and flies over to them. And if our 'value' is denied permission, it walks through the desert, gets on a deathtrap of a boat and prays their lifeguards pick it up before it drinks the Mediterranean dry.

Since we can't make use of it. Least not all of it, yet.

Ijaya123:
Maybe it is the mirror you're looking at that gives you such images. Many smart people abound in this land.

There's nothing wrong with my mirror. That's why I see a smart person when I look in it. I see them all around me too. I think it's kind a like, likes attracting like.

It is those who don't see at least one smart person when looking in the mirror that aren't the smart one's. If they were, they'd at least see their smart self's.

Ijaya123:
Too many to mention.

We just tend to feel like we are inferior to the western people. Maybe second time mentality syndrome.

Smart people look in the mirror and see their superior selves. The inferior one's tend not to have a mirror, it seems.

OtunbaDon:
All these people are our problems from ancient times

Which people?

omo1478:
Trying to mortgage nigeria again

We seriously need to learn to take responsibility!

It is we, the people, who can mortgage Nigeria. If we don't want it mortgaged, we do something about it!

OBTMOS:
The way all this super power are flooding this part of the world of recent, I smell they have a binding agenda

They come because they see you as people of value. If you were as worthless as some idiots think of themselves no one would visit.

No one goes to visit those who have nothing to entertain them with.

See the Buhari whom enemies of progress say im de London o!

exporters101:
I'm still doubting if she said this, that's a bad one

I doubt she'd say that too. It would be very undiplomatic of her, and defeat the intention of achieving a favourable trade environment, which is the intention of her visit.

The reports claim [url=https://www.gov.uk/government/announcements?keywords=Nigeria%2C+Buhari%2C+Teresa+may&announcement_filter_option=all&topics%5B%5D=all&departments%5B%5D=all&people%5B%5D=all&world_locations%5B%5D=all&include_world_location_news=1&from_date=&to_date=]UK Government Website[/url] as source but I found nothing of the sort on there!

A lot of reports are currently showing their meeting in London. He better not be in London. That would just be comically inept since Merkel too arrives in a couple of days.

The only justification for missing them is if he's stepping down and Osinbajo's is taking over next term.

HRHQueenPhil:
forgive president Trump. he is human

We shall try. For we are human too.

MuttleyLaff:
SMH. Tut tut tut tut tut.

Nah I know better and thats why I wouldn't say so.

Don't tell me that, when it matters, you dont talk to yourself.
Dont tell me that, you haven't and never have resigned to talking to yourself.

Possibly to psych yourself up,
maybe to ginger yourself up,
maybe to big yourself up,
maybe to lift up your spirit-man,
maybe to build up your confidence,
maybe to tell yourself off in trying to stop yourself from being silly,
maybe to etcetera

I do talk to myself. Just the other day, I was talking to a friend of mine who has cancer and felt down, and said the following:

"However bad life seems, there's unfortunately always another spanner waiting to mess things up some more. It's why there's two of me, the me the spanner hits and another who gets to laugh at the pain the me feels. So learn to laugh, and be of good cheer."

And if that's the idea being conveyed with the Trinity, it could make sense. And I can't wait till that's how this is being discussed, as in a thread titled, "In what way can 'Jesus' and 'God' be one". But that would have to be preceeded by a "What is 'God'" thread and a "What is 'Jesus'" thread, and going by our current level of discussions - stuck in the Father and Son concept of 1600 years ago, and rather fundamentally at that despite the numerous verses indicating two separate entities - I can't say we've evolved to that level yet. Which is why I'm delighted with these sort of threads to be honest. In it is the Work of God, the search for understanding, being done.

Jung went on to discover a Quarternity, so we are lagging behind current understandings. But we are evolving, and would one day get there.

mukhcech:
I am not pained at all. Just wanted to confirm the source. I do not however think it should be a thing to rejoice about. To the once who were rejoicing I hope the statement brings them the joy the lack.

Rejoice?! It's Trump, the "fingering man"! Rejoicing over what he says is like being glad the devil is pissed off at one's enemies!

The devil would only be pissed off because they resisted temptation.

mukhcech:
Where is the link to this article I ask again. If u want screenshot. I can provide u with screenshot too by changing ailing president to drunken president.

Sorry man, but FT has the hugest restrictions on their site. So please do click on the Google link (second in my previous). It's at the end of the second item on the page and in the FT article titled "US looks for something new out of Africa".

I am more pained than you could possibly be that Trump would allegedly say such a thing about my man Bubu.

MuttleyLaff:
God, is God the Father, in Heaven, at just the same moment, God is Jesus, when He had His only begotten Son.

And they both talk to one another, or themself, since they are the same person, right.

If someone told you this, I'm sure you'd say they had loose bolts in their 'heads'.

MuttleyLaff:
If that isnt in personality like His Father, I dont know what would be.

Yep! Humpty dumpy world. Where "like his father" means they are one single person. If there were a census at the time they wouldn't bother counting 2, in your world.

It's a good thing those people weren't known for having identical twins! That sure would have hit the tax revenue of their leaders.

MuttleyLaff:
Is it impossible for God, the Father, to be Jesus?
Hmm blueAgent?

If you can provide where Jesus Himself explicitly said He isnt the Father

Don't be absurd! If the discussion was that Jesus was a woman, would you also ask one to provide "where Jesus Himself explicitly said He isn't a woman" before you can accept it? Can't you just pull down his trousers and see that he isn't just as people are doing on here?

(I can't believe this has to be said, again!) A son is not it's own father, except in humpty dumpy world!

mukhcech:
Stop fooling yourself. No such article on FT.

I too wish there was no such article on FT. But I can't refuse to believe my eyes however much I try.

I can only console myself with the fact that Trump is an all round assh***!

budaatum:
Anyone found this on FT? Only sources I've found are Nigerian papers!

Found it!
https://www.ft.com/content/2795662c-a8aa-11e8-94bd-cba20d67390c

But you best try getting to it from the Google search page below.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=US+president+telling+aides+he+never+wanted+to+mee&client=ms-android-alcatel&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

Worldtopnewsng:
According to an article in the Financial Times, .....

Anyone found this on FT? Only sources I've found are Nigerian papers!

drakeli:
You are still not getting my point. I say it again, there were no Palestinians in history before 1900. What you quoted up here supported my analysis more than yours. It’s even a record of 1900s. It even says that there was never an Arab country called Palestine that it’s a myth. Yes, the Romans named a vast region Palestine. Palestine as named by the Romans was not limited to the small Palestine of today. It included part of Egypt, Syria, Jordan and even the ancient Israel itself.

That's somewhat true. And I've said just about the same with my "Nigerian" analogy.

The story one gets about the area being discussed has always been a subject of propaganda as it's been fought over by different factions since antiquity. It therefore falls down to which propaganda one wishes to accept.

drakeli:
Palestine as created by the Romans was inhabited by different nationalities answering to their national identity. There was an all inclusive region with different countries in it called Palestine. But there were no people calling themselves Palestinians. There were no Palestinians. Palestinian is a modern propaganda invention.

This isn't however. Least not as simply as you're putting it. Yes there were no people calling themselves Palestinians, just as there weren't Nigerians before the invention of Nigeria. National identities however are a rather new invention which not many had. It's why religion and origin was an identifying factor. If you worshipped Yahweh you were Jewish, and if you worshipped something else you were something else. Those "something elses" are the people who were identified as modern "Palestinians", as you rightly claim, and to distinguish them from the Jews. And probably, not even by themselves to start with, but as named by those who came in contact with them. But I disagree with the "modern propaganda invention". I'd say it's more of fitting in with western conventions of identifying people in a region, and since the cap fit, those who lived there adopted it.

drakeli:
It’s like when Europeans named Africa. We all answer to our different nationalities. Imagine some people now migrated from different African countries and settle in Nigeria, claiming land and saying they are Africans.

And this, being where I saw this going, is what I completely disagree with! One might as well claim modern day occupants of Egypt are not Egyptians, and that they migrated from somewhere in Arabia! The question however would be, when does one get to call them by the land that they occupy?

One could easily argue everyone in Syria Palestine, as it was named by the Romans, migrated from different places. That's not to claim they "claimed land". The area has always been inhabited, even when some of the inhabitants were exiled both by the Babylonians, and the Romans. In fact, the only historical evidence for any group of people arriving there and claiming land is when the Israelites did so. How others got to own the land when they did is somewhat sketchy.

drakeli:
The so called Palestinians never called themselves that until the British called them that. They went by the names of the countries their parents or themselves came from.

I agree, with reservations. Your argument sounds much like claiming the inhabitants of North America prior to the arrival of the Europeans, were not "Americans". While true, the land was still their's, except they didn't actually own the land as land ownership was an alien concept to them. And while some may have identified by "countries their parents or themselves came from", after a couple of generations, this would have ended just as modern day Americans don't identify as their place of origin anymore but as Americans.

The only source for those who lived in Palestine - a specific area at that - not identifying as Palestinians prior to the British doing so, is propaganda. The area was known as Syria Palestine in the 2 century, and if nationalities existed at the time, that's precisely what they'd have been known as (even if they weren't, mind), and especially after the first few generations after they might have forgotten where they came from. The common phrase that "people came from the east", is indicative of the ignorance of geography at the time.

So there. It is my opinion, that each of us is choosing which propaganda we wish to accept as more valid, and you now know mine.

(Please note that you write very well and clearly enough to be understood. 'Disagreeing' is not the same as not 'understanding'!)

Was it not this IBB who proposed to Islamasise Nigeria? Do people think we'd vote Buhari if he had suggested such nonsense in the past?

Butterflyleo:
Wailing vultures are gathering

Wailing from 2015 all the way to 2023 . unending wails

They better go for a water break. Because 2019 to 2023 second round of wailing is close at hand.

You know what? Some of these people were definitely not witnesses to those times. How anyone who lived through the Shagari-Buhari-IBB period could say anything bad about Buhari and hail the two either side of him beats me. If they knew about the time then they can only be crooks who prosper in corrupt times and want those corrupt times back because they are enemies of Nigeria!

megacity:
Don't you think the reasons IBB gave back then are all present today?

Lol! I take it you were not around at the time, or after IBB took over?

Butterflyleo:
The chief corrupt personality in the history of Nigeria. This was the day the curse called corruption took root in Nigeria and festered.

The darkest day in Nigerias history

I cried that day! I was like, "Why?! Why?!" It truly was the saddest day in my Nigerian life. And after the Shagari ineptitude and watching them bleed Nigeria dry, it took some for me to believe it could ever get worse. But look now where we are?!

LordReed:
It's a Derp state conspiracy!

Or she got herself a darn good Nigerian jujuman who's put a spell on things.

deboysben:
I can see many bmc on the front page masturbating their ass out without knowing there was Vote apathy in Imo state.



I repeat...

Election did not take place last Saturday no body voted. Bmc can do anything to satisfy their curiosity.

I think we are not listening to you! Lol!

This election was truly boycotted by all other parties, and besides, anyone who knows anything about LG elections should know by now that the sitting governor just fills the posts with or without fake elections, and people on ground don shout am tire say "there was no election in Imo!" E de paper sef!

All the same, 27-0! Go APC!

Also wiki has the following entry:

Syria Palaestina was a Roman province between 135 AD and about 390. It was established by the merger of Roman Syria and Roman Judaea, following the defeat of the Bar Kokhba revolt in 135 CE. Shortly after 193, the northern regions were split off as Syria Coele in the north and Phoenice in the south, and the province Syria Palaestina was reduced to Judea.[citation needed] The earliest numismatic evidence for the name Syria Palaestina comes from the period of emperor Marcus Aurelius.[citation needed]

drakeli:
The People there were Arabs immigrants. Nothing like Palestinians in history. In the early 20th century, those Arab answered by their countries of origin like Syrians, Jordanians, Egyptians and not Palestinian. Palestinian is a modern propaganda invention. The arrival of Jews from Europe brought more economic prosperity to the region and more Arabs started flocking in in search of economic opportunities.

Can you tell me if there’s any book or historical record written before 1900 that refers to some people as Palestinians? There’s no such record.

As I said in my first post, the claim against "Palestine" is similar to one against "Nigeria" before it was named that. Nigeria, as well as Palestine (though much older), being rather new names for the relevant areas and people.

Here's a piece from the Jewish Virtual Library. It's from a pdf from the link under what it titles as the myth that "Palestine was always an Arab country".

MYTH
Palestine was always an Arab country.

FACT
The term “Palestine” is believed to be derived from the Philistines, an Aegean people who, in the twelfth century BCE, settled along the Mediterranean coastal plain—now Israel and the Gaza Strip. In the second century CE, after crushing the last Jewish revolt, the Romans first applied the name Palaestina to Judea (the southern portion of what is now called the West Bank) in an attempt to minimize Jewish identification with the land of Israel. The Arabic word Filastin is derived from this Latin name.

The Hebrews entered the land of Israel about 1300 BCE, living under a tribal confederation until being united under the first monarch, King Saul. The second king, David, established Jerusalem as the capital around 1000 BCE. David’s son, Solomon, built the Temple soon thereafter and consolidated the military, administrative, and religious functions of the kingdom. The nation was divided under Solomon’s son, with the northern kingdom (Israel) lasting until 722 BCE, when the Assyrians destroyed it, and the southern kingdom (Judah) surviving until the Babylonian conquest in 586 BCE. The Jewish people enjoyed brief periods of sovereignty afterward until most Jews were finally driven from their homeland in 135 CE. Jewish independence in the land of Israel lasted for more than four hundred years. This is much longer than Americans have enjoyed in-dependence in what has become known as the United States.

In fact, if not for foreign conquerors, Israel would be more than three thousand years old today. Palestine was never an exclusively Arab country, although Arabic gradually became the language of most of the population after the Muslim invasions of the seventh century. No independent Arab or Palestinian state ever existed in Palestine. When the distinguished Arab-American historian, Princeton University professor Philip Hitti, testified against partition before the Anglo-American Committee in 1946, he said, “There is no such thing as ‘Palestine’ in history, absolutely not.”

Prior to partition, Palestinian Arabs did not view themselves as having a separate identity. When the First Congress of Muslim-Christian Associations met in Jerusalem in February 1919 to choose Palestinian representatives for the Paris Peace Conference, they adopted the following resolution:

We consider Palestine as part of Arab Syria, as it has never been separated from it at any time. We are connected with it by national, religious, linguistic, natural, economic, and geo-graphical bonds.

As I said, claiming that the people there today called Palestinians are not Palestinians is like claiming no Nigerians lived in Nigeria before the name Nigeria was coined for the region so named. And Palestine is a name with an origin that's about 1800 years older than "Nigeria!

And note, The Jewish Virtual Library is criticised as being an Israeli propaganda website