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Christianity Etc › Re: Student Wins Right To Talk About Jesus And The Bible In Graduation Speech by budaatum: 1:53pm On May 19, 2018*

jFrankNorfleet:
Of course, pretend you didn't see the truth so that you can keep spreading lies allover the place. an important tenet of Christianity

Anyways I don't care if you ignore or not. I see lies and I call people out for it no matter who the lie is coming from

Budaatum and others interested in the truth,
here's where you can learn the Truth

Be wary of any emotional moving story told by Christians, most times they're filled with lies to fit an agenda

It is a pity that some people take the attitude of all being fair in love and war. Lies only end up belittling the liar.

The Supreme Court determined that:

We conclude that the School District did not violate Corder’s First Amendment free exercise of religion rights by disciplining her for presenting a different valedictory speech than the one she gave to her principal for prior review.

I wonder what would’ve happened had she submitted her Jesus Speech to the principal ahead of time. Would school officials have allowed it to be said? If not, I feel this would be a much stronger case.

Thanks jFrankNorfleet

Christianity Etc › Re: Student Wins Right To Talk About Jesus And The Bible In Graduation Speech by budaatum: 11:11pm On May 18, 2018

Anas09:
So well written. I'd ve to fine time to respond to this.

For the recoreds, Satan's tricks haven't changed. All you need do is know the Word of God, have the Spirit of God, and he'll become as exposed and punny as a punny.

Thank you for the compliment, though I think what I wrote is convoluted with multiple meanings that may not make sense.

Know the "Word of God", you say. Yet who doth know those words? Are they not mere bread, that which alone one must not live on? Or idols even, the finger, and not the moon it points to? The Gospel itself is mere baby school, and is given to some (well, given to all, as they say in communion, but understanding, to some). "Know God", I think, would be more appropriate.

I find that all words are godified when holy breathe is breathed into them. Otherwise, they are just like mud, or blots of ink on a piece of paper or unintelligible sounds like those made by babies - meaningless and rather ineffective. That's why one must not limit ones understanding to the letter of the word, but look behind the veil, and pull it down if one can. There really ought to be no more "we are not worthy to go up the mountain and be in the presence of the gods". For the holy spirit of comprehension and understanding has been given to all to go up themselves and see God through the Son.

And I do find that satan is a master at evolving. It takes the approach of the bird that has learned to fly without perching because the hunters shoot better with better guns. Once you think you know satan's tricks, it gets new ones. Probably why the words are "not flesh and blood", but the "rulers, the authorities, the powers of this dark world and the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms". As Sun Tzu says, "Never underestimate thy enemy", or thy friends, for that matter! One must learn more about satan's ways so ones armour and shield would be more effective. In fact, perhaps we atheists should be arguing that satan, as opposed to gods, is not real!

I am most honoured that you will spend your time and might considering my words. And by the way, good work on Ishi. Been following her posts and find she is being extremely unpotty mouthed, even when she'd have been justified to be. Her light is shinning so much better now that she has stopped covering it with poo. And reading her is a breathe of fresh air (and that includes her diaries and blog!) She is hypersmart and should continue to shine her bright light.

Christianity Etc › Re: Student Wins Right To Talk About Jesus And The Bible In Graduation Speech by budaatum: 12:58pm On May 18, 2018

Anas09:
Well, i think the belief that no one can fight for or defend God is largely misunderstood. Fighting for God is not the same thing as defending ones faith. As Christians, we are enjoined to defend our Faith.

I don't agree that it is misunderstood at all. I am made to understand that God is almighty why then would my puny strength make a difference in God wars? I should rather spend my energy doing here for those whom I see, and bother not about fighting for the gods.

I also find my faith needs no defence, as it in itself is my shield and my armour.

Anas09:
The Opposition is taking advantage of this and is hitting hard on Christians. Satan blackmails Christians by accusing them of fighting for God if they attempt to stand up for the discrimination they face, so in order not to appear like Fighting for God, they allow satan walk into their homes and take their Children and turn them to drug addicts and killers. If you they complain, the same satan will ask them 'Where was your God, couldn't he have stopped the children from taking those drugs?

I don't agree. The Church of England was the last organisation to fully adopt the 2010 UK Equality Act, an act to abolish discrimination due to
being or becoming a transsexual person, being married or in a civil partnership, being pregnant or on maternity leave, disability, race including colour, nationality, ethnic or national origin, religion, belief or lack of religion/belief, sex and sexual orientation. They were fighting to retain the right to discriminate as their God told them they should. If it wasn't the nation's church, no one would have cared really, but CoE doing Jerry Falwell? Is it not ungodly to fight against the abolishment of these discriminations? Or should the CoE be the ones to throw the first stones so they can continue with their bigotry? Where is the Jesus in that? Yet, in the same church were those who wanted the church to sign up to the act, and the battle played out over years till the anti-discriminators finally won out. The church appointed its first female bishop in 2014!

As for turning ones children into drug addicts, I blame the Christian parents myself, for if they had bothered to bring their child up in the path they wished it to walk, it less likely would have departed from it!

Anas09:
But we shd know the tricks of satan.
He can use your own words against you.

That is why i don't give space for nonsense and i don't care what any one calls me for defending my Faith. I know Satan's tricks.

No one can intimidate me with stupid blackmails.

That faith you have to keep defending must keep being under attack! And personally, that's a good thing as it means you'd have to keep examining your faith to fix the dents and damage it incurs.

When my faith is under attack, I examine my faith in order to find the dents and damage incurred. I know that strong shield and armour protects me so how come I am attacked? Did I miss class when Sun Tzu said I should win the war without going to battle? So I look for the weak points so that I could fix them

Sometimes, and most often, the assault is because of the weakness of my faith itself. And being the atheist that I am, I therefore look for firmer foundations on which to base my faith. Its why I do not believe, by the way. Believing excludes alternatives, and leaves one without the knowledge that each firm foundation can be eroded by greater forces.

Which makes me ponder that one can't claim to know satan's tricks Anas. And that unknowing is why some rely on Christ, and should say "Oh, but for the grace of God go I?" Satan has been at it for centuries so puny you cannot know its tricks, sorry to disappoint you.

With apologies for obtuseness!

Politics › Re: IGP's Transmitting Transmission Speech, Eye Witness Opens Up From Kano by budaatum: 9:44am On May 18, 2018

wirinet:
The IG read a prepared statement for less than 1 mins (actually about 50 secs ) and it was riddled with errors and mis-pronounciations.

Please post another video of the IG giving a speech, this one does not flatter him at all.

Goes to show his reading problems are not new then. You should read what the Senate said about him.

Politics › Re: IGP's Transmitting Transmission Speech, Eye Witness Opens Up From Kano by budaatum: 4:09am On May 18, 2018

igp reading coherently.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nokHUh5fng

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Christianity Etc › Re: Student Wins Right To Talk About Jesus And The Bible In Graduation Speech by budaatum: 11:34pm On May 17, 2018

Your question reminds me of a song, "There is power in the name of Jesus", except quite a lot of people don't understand that fact. That power destabilises the status quo, and those who benefit from the status quo will fight to conserve their privilege . So wherever it pokes its head up, they will attack it with a hammer.

One thing you got to ask is why the big churches in America don't face such discriminations.

Anas09:
Hmmmm.

I watched a video (Real Life) of a girl who submitted her speech for screening or editing before the D day (the school authority needed to make sure she won't mention Jesus, it was against the rules as the financiers were atheists. They didn't want Jesus getting mention in a school they sponsored). The Girl said nothing, on the D day, she pulled out her original speech instead of the edited one and began reading, the Mike was disconnected and she was silenced. The mike didn't come altho she read her speech to the end, but was not heard.

I sometimes wonder what evil Jesus Christ really committed to be hated so much. What did he do?

Did he ever steal, kill, stole someone's wife, or kidnapped a child? Why does the World Hate Jesus so much?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Student Wins Right To Talk About Jesus And The Bible In Graduation Speech by budaatum: 10:56pm On May 17, 2018

Anas09:
But then, she can get arrest for it.

It was just school rules. She can't get arrested for it. At worst they expel her, but since she was graduating, what cares?

Christianity Etc › Re: Student Wins Right To Talk About Jesus And The Bible In Graduation Speech by budaatum: 2:31pm On May 17, 2018

IdeyFindWife:
Democracy that suppresses the rights of some to pamper the prejudices of some others is a parody.

"Freedom to say only what the authorities approve of" more like. Tyranny, if anything.

If I were the student, I'd dump my speech and read a whole chapter from the bible to prove your point above.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by budaatum: 4:09am On May 16, 2018

Zither:
The Christian has the concrete evidence of his belief in God.

"The Christian claims to have concrete evidence of his beliefs", more like. Reminds me of Tony Blair, arguing for WMDs in Iraq to a select committee. "My ability to ensure I am infallible is infallible" , he claimed, and has never been bought up on it despite his fallibility in both cases.

I don't have the "concrete evidence" you claim to have for what I believe. Not having concrete evidence is the exact reason that I merely believe it, for I have found that I do not have to believe the things that I know because I know those things. And to be honest, what good is it to believe things made up in my head when I'm not too lazy to do the more exciting research so I can know?

Then, it sounds to me that you further require faith - a desire to hold a thing as so - to act on this evidence of a concrete nature to assist you to believe it. And, in an emperor's new clothe kind of way, the Christian ask that others too claim that the naked emperor is elegantly robed! What else would those with "concrete evidence" which they require faith to see say off one who doesn't if not, "thank god I am not like the fool over there who doesn't see the naked emperor's elegant brand new robes?"

Funny thing is, the words in the text show greater concern that "All have turned away, all have become corrupt; there is no one who does good, not even one," than the fool. Or are you one of those who have concrete evidence that the fools are the 'All', the "no one", "not even one" ?

Neither is it a case of replacing myths about a Yahweh with myths of big bangs! Like I told butter, old science makes for good myths, and so does quite a lot of current speculative science especially about the beginnings of the universe. But believing either of them by faith boostered concrete evidence is just not how some are, I guess. For as opposed to believing, or knowing, for that matter, is the very simple, "I don't have a clue".

I would rather be a fool than create idols in my imagination and call them gods because I've overdosed on some massive belief in my own infallibility, I suppose.

Welcome to the thread.

Christianity Etc › Re: Islamic Group Faults Adeboye Over Alleged ‘message Of Doom’ by budaatum: 1:50pm On May 15, 2018

Let us therefore stop making sectarian, parochial and myopic public speeches.

That's you told, Sir!

Christianity Etc › Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by budaatum: 10:54am On May 15, 2018

I guess that's why some chose to worship the sun!

How manifold it is, what thou hast made!
They are hidden from the face (of man).
O sole god, like whom there is no other!
Thou didst create the world according to thy desire,
Whilst thou wert alone: All men, cattle, and wild beasts,
Whatever is on earth, going upon (its) feet,
And what is on high, flying with its wings.
The countries of Syria and Nubia, the land of Egypt,
Thou settest every man in his place,
Thou suppliest their necessities:
Everyone has his food, and his time of life is reckoned.
Their tongues are separate in speech,
And their natures as well;
Their skins are distinguished,
As thou distinguishest the foreign peoples.
Thou makest a Nile in the underworld,
Thou bringest forth as thou desirest
To maintain the people (of Egypt)
According as thou madest them for thyself,
The lord of all of them, wearying (himself) with them,
The lord of every land, rising for them,
The Aton of the day, great of majesty.

Christianity Etc › Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by budaatum: 10:44pm On May 14, 2018

Butterflyleo:
Only desperation and ignorance would make one call actual scientific facts, myths.

Oh? Really? Have you not been calling some "scientific fact" myths? Do you have a monopoly on doing so? Here you go again. You still have not apologised for the last time!

There are many scientific facts that have turned out to be myths. Incidentally, I am watching The Hawkin Paradox. It is describe as "a series exploring topical scientific examines Stephen Hawkins most controversial theory and possibly his greatest mistake - the information paradox". He made a u-turn on that myth, eventually, like after 30 years.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by budaatum: 7:55pm On May 14, 2018

In fact, is that not the story in the myth about light trying to usurp god?

Christianity Etc › Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by budaatum: 7:53pm On May 14, 2018

Seriously, this would make for a great myth!

Butterflyleo:
Eeyah such magnitudes of ignorance.

So the ozone layer somehow knew it had to protect such tiny humans from the rays of the sun despite being unaware of our existence right?

So the sun also somehow DIRECTLY gives life to All green vegetation on this planet which on their own generate the OXYGEN we so depend on to survive while filtering the carbon dioxide we expel right?

Yet the sun also warms our planet, heating the surface, the oceans and the atmosphere. Releasing its energy to the atmosphere which is the primary cause of our much needed weather and climate.

Your ignorance is alarming to say the least.

I will quote from https://history.nasa.gov/

Somehow for no apparent reason an inanimate sun which is about 92million miles from the earth and unaware of the existence of the earth is DIRECTLY beneficial to the earth despite both planets being ignorant of each other.

Keep lying and deceiving yourself.

Dalaman the scientifically ignorant scientist

Christianity Etc › Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by budaatum: 6:16pm On May 14, 2018

Butterflyleo:
Yes you do pay and have been paying but keep falling short. You will give "account" of how much you paid in time so don't worry.

God is a very excellent auditor.

Oh my god, look I'm scarred. kmt!

Christianity Etc › Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by budaatum: 6:13pm On May 14, 2018

winner01:
Why should I give you proof of something you don't believe?

A person must believe before you give them proof? Why? Does their believing make the proof work, like one is the cause of the other, perhaps?

Christianity Etc › Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by budaatum: 5:54pm On May 14, 2018

Butterflyleo:
Maybe you should up the money you paid because it obviously wasn't enough for this upgrade.

I don't pay a creator Butter. I simply evolve.

Christianity Etc › Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by budaatum: 5:46pm On May 14, 2018

Butterflyleo:
We have access to evidence you can never have at your level

With your spiritual eye, right? The one made by your creator, and in the way you currently use it to access evidence?

I think you should ask for your money back!

Christianity Etc › Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by budaatum: 3:20pm On May 14, 2018

Butterflyleo:
SPIRITUAL evidence does not subscribe to EMPIRICAL science.

So, no evidence is required to believe in things spiritual, right? You can make it up in your head and not need to support it with empirical evidence?

I wonder why you then claim spiritual explains the empirical then.

Christianity Etc › Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by budaatum: 3:09pm On May 14, 2018

Butterflyleo:
Words create your reality whether you believe it or not. Reality is made up of your language being projected and those words create reality.

True. I'm working on a million pounds in my bank account. I just utter the words and, voila.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by budaatum: 3:03pm On May 14, 2018

winner01:
Causes create effects. That's an accurate statement bro.

That wasn't my question!

Christianity Etc › Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by budaatum: 3:01pm On May 14, 2018

winner01:
No, it is you people who are suggesting that the human brain, much more complex than the latest Honda series, evolved into being. There is no evidence to support it.

No one said anything about evolution, yet. Stop filling the gaps with projections!

Christianity Etc › Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by budaatum: 3:00pm On May 14, 2018

winner01:
If mysterious activity defies nature right now in your presence, I'm sure you'll say " well science has not found this out but it will", is that not atheism of the gaps?
I've heard several atheists use this line and I'll open a thread on it soon.

Science might have no explanation for a mysterious activity, but that's no reason to fill the gap with just about anything!

Christianity Etc › Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by budaatum: 12:56pm On May 14, 2018*

winner01:
Not everything directly requires a creator, I gave perfect examples of exhaust smoke and goosebumps. It will be inaccurate for me to say someone created smoke.

I think the long and short of this argument is that there is no effect without a cause, and last I checked, science agrees with this.

Are causes and creators the same thing, in your opinion?

Christianity Etc › Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by budaatum: 12:54pm On May 14, 2018

winner01:
it is much more believe that the Honda accord was formed over millions of years.

Everything that exists is the effect of a cause.

Don't get this. Why believe Honda Accord was formed over millions of years? Are you suggesting it evolved into being?

Christianity Etc › Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by budaatum: 12:50pm On May 14, 2018

Butterflyleo:
----------- Butterflyleo 2018 ©

Cc vaxx you are free to borrow the above quote whenever you encounter a debate on logic.

But before you do quote it, consider the following:

An argument from authority, also called an appeal to authority, or argumentum ad verecundiam is a form of defeasible argument in which a claimed authority's support is used as evidence for an argument's conclusion. It is well known as a fallacy, though it is used in a cogent form when all sides of a discussion agree on the reliability of the authority in the given context.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Please Who Knows The Interpretation Of This Dream by budaatum: 11:45am On May 14, 2018

Zoharariel:
Your friend in the dream represents your enemy. If you had not taken or followed his advice, you would have packed enough eggs before the FG showed up.

I think his enemy was his own greed. Everyone was filling pocket, but he went to get a bucket to pack more than anyone else!

Reconsider please, Zohar.

Christianity Etc › Re: Please Who Knows The Interpretation Of This Dream by budaatum: 11:42am On May 14, 2018

GRAMMARJAMES:
OMG !! �
I'm freaking scared right now.

everything said here is affects me in one way or the other.
Oh God!! I can't believe this.
every sentence depicts me, like me hiding away from others, feel happy in my company, and I'm at the first stage of my life (starting life).

You must take living more serious in order to achieve your destiny. Reassess the plans you currently make for the future so your eggs hatch into chickens. A laissez-faire life is no more for you.

And stop being greedy and beware of what seems like awuf!

Christianity Etc › Re: Do You Know If Your Name Is In The Book Of Life? by budaatum: 11:32am On May 14, 2018

dalaman:
You get time see. Just show her why she is such a ridiculous and deluded sadistic terrorist wanna be.

This deluded Anas09 feels she'll go to heaven with all her lies, deceit and terrible behavior while others will go to hell just because she accepts a mythology that told her that A Jewish hippie sacrificed himself into himself so that she can live forever in some fictional place made up of golden streets when she dies.

It will be unfair of me not to say, but I would like it noted that Anas has been working on the bits that are not so up to par in conversation. You all know that if this was the Anas of the past, her responses would have been much less thoughtful than they are now. So please, if I may, might we be kind when pointing her errors out. Her God most certainly works on her.

Christianity Etc › Re: Is The Atheist's Mind Free Enough To Question Atheism? by budaatum: 10:57am On May 14, 2018

MuttleyLaff:
⁶Yahweh created the heavens by His command,
the sun, moon, and stars by His spoken word.
⁷He gathered all the seas into one place;
He shut up the ocean depths in storerooms.
- Psalm 33:6-7

But some say, "first there was a cosmic egg made up of two balanced opposites: yin and yang. The egg held P’an Ku, the divine embryo. P’an Ku grew until the egg could not hold him, causing the shell to burst. So P’an Ku went to work right away making the world, with a hammer in hand. He dug out valleys, made way for rivers, and piled up mountains. But the earth was not complete until he passed away. It wasn’t until death that his flesh became soil and his bones the rocks. His eyes became the sun and moon and his head the sky. From what was once his sweat and tears was now rain and the fleas that covered his body became mankind."

So, which is true and why is it true?

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Christianity Etc › Re: I Had A Terrible Dream About Rapture. I'm A Catholic by budaatum: 1:59am On May 14, 2018

UbiPetrus:
You claim people are made to pay money to have their loved ones enter heaven.

Maybe like 500 years ago they did. But as you truly state, it is either a lie or plain ignorance to claim it is so today.

With respect to the rapture, Catholics certainly believe that the event of our gathering together to be with Christ will take place, though they do not generally use the word "rapture" to refer to this event (somewhat ironically, since the term "rapture" is derived from the text of the Latin Vulgate of 1 Thess. 4:17—"we will be caught up," [Latin: rapiemur]).
Catholic Answers

Christianity Etc › Re: I Had A Terrible Dream About Rapture. I'm A Catholic by budaatum: 10:34pm On May 13, 2018

ogbright:
I took as many as I can because my children are starving at home.

You love your kids and care for them but there is an aspect of their nurturing you neglect because you are more concerned about yourself (do note that this "concerned about yourself" could include working really hard to feed those kids or send them to a good school).

Find out what it is that might be missing so you can all be rapturised (assuming rapture is meant to be a good thing), together.

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