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hahn:
And my point is god does not exist

And mine is, a concept called God exists, for some.

(All previous words of mine remain valid unless I say otherwise.)

Humanistme:
so the words supposedly spoken by the prophets and recorded in the bible are not from God?

At the very least, I'd have you consider they may not be or that there may be other words. God existing, that is.

sonofluc1fer:


You should read my reply to butterTROLLlion.

I did. Only reason I'm not kicking your butt is I'd have to kick that troll's but a zillion times for wasting my time and that would probably be a waste of time anyway.

felixomor:
Before nko

God made water.

I guess this is the other side of butterflylion's supposedly intelligent water no man thread.

sonofluc1fer:
Imagine there was no Garden of Eden. No Adam and Eve.

The fact the op said I should 'imagine', is an invitation to speculate on assumptions i may or may not hold to be valid, which is welcome if logical. My response too wouldbe the following. (thanks for it MhizzAJ)

MhizzAJ:
We wouldn't ve been in existence if there was no Adam and Eve..so there would ve been no need for Jesus nah

For the ops response to this reply to be

sonofluc1fer:
No. We would have been. The Adam and Eve story is only a Christian belief.. It's not a historical story. Surely you don't believe Adam and Eve are the ancestors of all the Brazilians, Puerto Ricans, Russians, Chinese, Indians and Nigerians you've never met.

Different religions and cultures all have their own stories. Adam and Eve is the Abrahamic version, a core part of Judaism, Christianity and Islam.



Faulty conclusion.

Sonofluc1fer, hmmmm.
P.s. I'm still fuming at reading all that water!

Yep, God made water!



(I'm pissed off for being trolled!)

butterflylion:
Can we easily create water in large scales for all 7 billion of earths population?

There wouldn't be 7 billion people if they needed non existent water to survive!

Your question sounds similar to simply asking how humans would survive if there were insufficient resources? And that's always been the case, we adapt, or and die. See Yemen today where people are dying due to insufficient resources.

So, maybe we could only create water for just 7 people. The answer is there'd be seven people.

butterflylion:
The question isn't for me. It's for everyone to apply some critical thought to.

My question is very valid.

EVOLUTION ASIDE? yes

scientific ingenuity is all about critical thought.

butterflylion:
You are missing a vital point I made which is why your entire submission is invalid.

I said putting aside all we know about evolution.

In other words let's assume man did not evolve based on what evolution says but still needs water to survive.

As in, if one thinks critically by turning off ones thinking ability right?

You sir, are missing the point! If water was not required at the very beginning of man there is no way man would need it to survive. Man would be different to what we know man to be today.

Please consider if perhaps you meant to ask, how humans would continue to survive if all the water dried up?

hahn:
Malachi 3:8

"Will a mere mortal rob God? Yet you rob me. "But you ask, 'How are we robbing you?' "In tithes and offerings.

From the words of the omnibeggar itself

Someone said Christ in coming on September 23. I haven't heard it from the person who said it, but I haven't come across anyone who's wound down their earthly business in preparation for that day. Perhaps the person who informed the rest of us Christ is coming on September 23 is talking through an ass. We'd know on the day.

hahn, your question somewhat does not hit the point quite. A better question is, If God needs money, why doesn't it just make a printing press? He did afterall provide a ram when he needed a blood sacrifice.

I put it to you that despite what Malachi says God told him, he too may be talking through his ass perhaps.

My point is, The Bible is not God!

OLAADEGBU:
Say it in your own words here.

And twist it so I can lie and deceive people? Don't tempt me!

One BIG reason atheism is sweet to those that are into it is they dont live under the law of God so they are free to do what they like as "There is no God and because of that No SIN"


NO GOD NO SIN

Not true. Whether there is a God or not, there are consequences for all actions and no sane society leaves the punishment of sin to God!

If one, regardless of whether they believe in the existence of God or not, does not honour one's parents, does not take time to rest and reflect, is a philanderer, idolator, murderer, a thief, liar, is dishonest, or covets the goods of others, at the very least, society would ostracise them and chase them from the vicinity of those who behave well. Their family will not like them, their friends will be crooks and undesirables, and no one would associate or trade with them.

If all that wage is not enough for anyone to reduce their sin or at least hide them so no one knows, then perhaps that person is insane!

[quote author=hahn post=60499730][/quote]Did you start this thread just so you can insult people?

Rrankdonga:
Political correctness is killing these people.
How can London have a Muslim mayor of all people?

Same way Seven Nigerians can sit in the House of Parliament.

Martinez19:
The christian god is so pathetic.

No it is not. The people who invented it did the best they could, under the circumstances.

hahn:
Tell that to Jehovah while he sits back and watches billions of people burn for eternity

And your fictional Jesus watches on

I don't think a fictional Jehovah can give a toss about what I think hahn.

segunojo866:
yes boss. God is a character that the white men brain watched we Africans with. If religion is really good to humanity why is it that most religious countries are underdeveloped eg all Africa countries except from south Africa and Seychelles. Also places like Iran, Iraq Afghanistan,India are so underdeveloped. It's obvious that people don't think in Nigeria because religion is all about believing without evidence. It's a shame. Take note with all the demons destroying churches and pastors we have in Nigeria why are we still backward?

Religion is good, even necessary, for humans! Every group of people (society) has had a religion and still have religions. Even developed nations have religions.

You have read on here somewhere that humans evolved from apes. I am not going to assert the truth of this statement, just that there were times when humans grunted. In those days, and for a long time after, they looked up at the sky, saw a big ball of light and bowed down in awe and worshipped it. At night a different ball of light waxed and waned in the sky and humans bowed down in awe and worshipped it. Some looked at the birds flying, bowed down in awe and worshipped it. Some looked at the swiftness of the cheetah or the largeness of the mammoth and worshipped it. Some worshipped the thunder, some the lightening and so on and worshipped it. They had offspring and told them to worship what they worshipped and over generations large groups of people grouped together to form societies and worshipped things in common. Over very long periods of times, the form of worship was codified and that today is what we call religion.
Religion is a consequence of ignorance and an attempt to know more. In the beginning we seek to explain, but knowing so little we accept the simplest explanation (the entire abode of humans is my village, the earth is flat, God created it in 6 days etc), as passed down by those who went before us. As humans have grown they go to the moon to check if God really lives there and adjust their religion as more understanding comes along. Eventually we kill off the old Gods and adopt more sophisticated ones and as the Gods evolve so do humans (or more appropriately, as human understanding evolves so do our Gods.
In time religion is abandoned and seeking out the truth takes over and more people will seek evidence for what they accept as true. They will abandon belief for evidence. They will abandon faith for proof. Indoctrination will give way to education in the real sense of teaching people to question and then Nigeria will depart from the dark state its in and become an enlightened nation like those so called developed nations. All so called developed nations have followed this path and so will Nigeria and all those other nation you mentioned.

budaatum wrote:
"A simple concept, but one, despite all the knowledge there was prior to that in the western world as is known, was a concept not yet in the consciousness of the many.

hopefulLandlord:
there's nothing Jesus said about "Love" that didn't predate him

you sound like those Apple fans that think a phone technology doesn't exist until it is used in an iPhone, some have even deluded themselves so much into thinking apple invented mobile phones

hahn:
Lol. Keep deluding yourself

Love was preached before Jehovah raped Mary and most of the things Jesus supposedly preached or said were already said and preached thousands of years before Jehovah stopped taking his meds and became a psychopath

Read history not the bible

budaatum:
Jesus taught love. A simple concept, but one, despite all the knowledge there was prior to that in the western world as is known, was a concept not yet in the consciousness of the many. One day his teaching would be understood here too and his understanders would most definitely do more than he did.

I strongly believe the level of love on nl is indicative of the usefulness of the teachings of Jesus.

Martinez19:
are telling me that if God wanted a perfect holy book so badly, that it could not be achieved? Why didn't God document cause a perfect book to come out of nothing since he is all powerful? They is no excuse for an all powerful God not producing a perfect book.

There is no excuse for an all powerful God not producing a perfect holy book or a perfect Adam and Eve for that matter. I guess God might have had nothing better to do if it created all things perfectly at the first attempt.

skeendyke:
So what is your solution to the atheist's dilemma? What is your interpretation of morality?

The atheist does not have the dilemma you claim. God does not make an atheist kill just as God doesn't make a deist kill, steal or not. Whether one kills or steals is a personal will thing and if it weren't God would make these things absolutely impossible to be done by anyone. Do note that people have even been killed in the name of God.

Go look up wiki for def of morality.

KingEbukasBlog:
Any wicked leader man has ever known should be an atheist .

Of course

I believe they were covert atheists .

"I can't believe that!" said Alice.
"Can't you?" the Queen said in a pitying tone. "Try again: draw a long breath, and shut your eyes."
Alice laughed. "There's no use trying," she said: "one can't believe impossible things."
"I daresay you haven't had much practice," said the Queen. "When I was your age, I always did it for half-an-hour a day. Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast."

Through the Looking-Glass, and What Alice Found There (1871)

KingEbukasBlog:
Your sandals giving you divine protection could be it protecting the soles of your feet from thorns like I said before .



I think I get what you mean . Glory has different meanings . The glory an atheist appreciates could be the beauty of the universe and the magnificence of its complexity .

The atheist would claim the protection your sandals give you is not divine, especially if you claim only your particular sandals are the only divine sandals that should be glorified (adored or worshipped). The atheist would attempt to convince you s/he gets the same protection from their shoes, and not because they are divine but because that is the function of footwear. The atheist may appreciate its shoes because of this so called protection. But once s/he presents it as a god to be worshipped then I am afraid such as one has become a shoe deist as opposed to a sandal deist, and is definitely no more a footwear atheist.

OLAADEGBU:
You are missing the point. I said the Jewish Scriptures are the same with what we have in the 39 books of the OT of the Bible and that you cannot find a single book of the apocrypha therein. The 27 books in the New Testament has its own separate Canon and God was the One who orchestrated it all not the Roman Catholic.

The Apocrypha was in the King James Version. However, as to how it was viewed and removed, see
Why the Apocrypha Isn't in the Bible.

emmanuel1990:
when i say contradict the bible, i mean the bible that does nt have those added books, another example, the book of daniel contradict the book of bell and dragon, according to the book of daniel, he was trown into the lions den, because he prayed to his god when the king said that no one should pray to any other being, apart to the king.......and he only spent a night there.....bt tje book of bell said that he was in the lions den for seven days and seven night, even an angel had to carry prophet habbakuk from judah to go and give him food.

I guess the Bible need some more bits deleted then.

Contradictions in the Gospels

1. Matthew and Luke disagree
Matthew and Luke give two contradictory genealogies for Joseph (Matthew 1:2-17 and Luke 3:23-38). They cannot even agree on who the father of Joseph was.

2. Why genealogies of Joseph
Both the genealogies of Matthew and Luke show that Joseph was a direct descendant of King David. But is Joseph is Jesus' father?

3. Why do only Matthew and Luke know of the virgin birth?
Of all the writers of the New Testament, only Matthew and Luke mention the virgin birth. Had something as miraculous as the virgin birth actually occurred, one would expect that Mark and John would have at least mentioned it in their efforts to convince the world that Jesus was who they were claiming him to be.

Sauce

The Lord is with Tampinu

If I were a modern day Nigerian Pastor and this was in the Bible of my congregants, i will personally take that Bible from them and rip out the book of Bel and the Dragon. I wouldn't want anyone to think I was buying a jet with their tithes!

Tampinu:
Bel and the Dragon 1 [Commentary] Biblical Art and Illustrations
1. And king Astyages was gathered to his fathers, and Cyrus of Persia received his kingdom.
2. And Daniel conversed with the king, and was honoured above all his friends.
3. Now the Babylons had an idol, called Bel, and there were spent upon him every day twelve great measures of fine flour, and forty sheep, and six vessels of wine.
4. And the king worshipped it and went daily to adore it: but Daniel worshipped his own God. And the king said unto him, Why dost not thou worship Bel?
5. Who answered and said, Because I may not worship idols made with hands, but the living God, who hath created the heaven and the earth, and hath sovereignty over all flesh.
6. Then said the king unto him, Thinkest thou not that Bel is a living God? seest thou not how much he eateth and drinketh every day?
7. Then Daniel smiled, and said, O king, be not deceived: for this is but clay within, and brass without, and did never eat or drink any thing.
8. So the king was wroth, and called for his priests, and said unto them, If ye tell me not who this is that devoureth these expences, ye shall die.
9. But if ye can certify me that Bel devoureth them, then Daniel shall die: for he hath spoken blasphemy against Bel. And Daniel said unto the king, Let it be according to thy word.
10. Now the priests of Bel were threescore and ten, beside their wives and children. And the king went with Daniel into the temple of Bel.
11. So Bel's priests said, Lo, we go out: but thou, O king, set on the meat, and make ready the wine, and shut the door fast and seal it with thine own signet;
12. And to morrow when thou comest in, if thou findest not that Bel hath eaten up all, we will suffer death: or else Daniel, that speaketh falsely against us.
13. And they little regarded it: for under the table they had made a privy entrance, whereby they entered in continually, and consumed those things.
14. So when they were gone forth, the king set meats before Bel. Now Daniel had commanded his servants to bring ashes, and those they strewed throughout all the temple in the presence of the king alone: then went they out, and shut the door, and sealed it with the king's signet, and so departed.
15. Now in the night came the priests with their wives and children, as they were wont to do, and did eat and drinck up all.
16. In the morning betime the king arose, and Daniel with him.
17. And the king said, Daniel, are the seals whole? And he said, Yea, O king, they be whole.
18. And as soon as he had opened the dour, the king looked upon the table, and cried with a loud voice, Great art thou, O Bel, and with thee is no deceit at all.
19. Then laughed Daniel, and held the king that he should not go in, and said, Behold now the pavement, and mark well whose footsteps are these.
20. And the king said, I see the footsteps of men, women, and children. And then the king was angry,
21. And took the priests with their wives and children, who shewed him the privy doors, where they came in, and consumed such things as were upon the table.
22. Therefore the king slew them, and delivered Bel into Daniel's power, who destroyed him and his temple.
23. And in that same place there was a great dragon, which they of Babylon worshipped.
24. And the king said unto Daniel, Wilt thou also say that this is of brass? lo, he liveth, he eateth and drinketh; thou canst not say that he is no living god: therefore worship him.
25. Then said Daniel unto the king, I will worship the Lord my God: for he is the living God.
26. But give me leave, O king, and I shall slay this dragon without sword or staff. The king said, I give thee leave.
27. Then Daniel took pitch, and fat, and hair, and did seethe them together, and made lumps thereof: this he put in the dragon's mouth, and so the dragon burst in sunder : and Daniel said, Lo, these are the gods ye worship.
28. When they of Babylon heard that, they took great indignation, and conspired against the king, saying, The king is become a Jew, and he hath destroyed Bel, he hath slain the dragon, and put the priests to death.
29. So they came to the king, and said, Deliver us Daniel, or else we will destroy thee and thine house.
30. Now when the king saw that they pressed him sore, being constrained, he delivered Daniel unto them:
31. Who cast him into the lions' den: where he was six days.
32. And in the den there were seven lions, and they had given them every day two carcases, and two sheep: which then were not given to them, to the intent they might devour Daniel.
33. Now there was in Jewry a prophet, called Habbacuc, who had made pottage, and had broken bread in a bowl, and was going into the field, for to bring it to the reapers.
34. But the angel of the Lord said unto Habbacuc, Go, carry the dinner that thou hast into Babylon unto Daniel, who is in the lions' den.
35. And Habbacuc said, Lord, I never saw Babylon; neither do I know where the den is.
36. Then the angel of the Lord took him by the crown, and bare him by the hair of his head, and through the vehemency of his spirit set him in Babylon over the den.
37. And Habbacuc cried, saying, O Daniel, Daniel, take the dinner which God hath sent thee.
38. And Daniel said, Thou hast remembered me, O God: neither hast thou forsaken them that seek thee and love thee.
39. So Daniel arose, and did eat: and the angel of the Lord set Habbacuc in his own place again immediately.
40. Upon the seventh day the king went to bewail Daniel: and when he came to the den, he looked in, and behold, Daniel was sitting.
41. Then cried the king with a loud voice, saying, Great art Lord God of Daniel, and there is none other beside thee.
42. And he drew him out, and cast those that were the cause of his destruction into the den: and they were devoured in a moment before his face. .

kevoh:
Nice one hahn. They have already started coming with the Ad hominems.



The people or race who were generous enough to sacrifice their time to discover or invent most of the above now regarded as basic science which humans are still using till date are the real miracle workers. Not some five loaves and two fishes for 5000 people or water into wine miracle embelished stories by the followers of Jesus to give their main man,Jesus, some sort of high stand . Same embellished stories that are yet to be repeated by a christian till this day, despite Jesus saying his followers would do more than he has done.

Jesus taught love. A simple concept, but one, despite all the knowledge there was prior to that in the western world as is known, was a concept not yet in the consciousness of the many. One day his teaching would be understood here too and his understanders would most definitely do more than he did.

lagostokd:
Use straightforward expression next time!

My post is very clear on the fact that the Jesus Christ of the Bible is different from the Jesus in the Quran when you compare and contrast their values, mission, and historical facts.

The post is not about who is right or who is wrong; it is about the fact that Christianity is different from Islam - they do not worship the same God. The values of the Christian God - Yahweh is different from the values of the Muslim God - Allah

Yet, you are wrong! First Yahweh is not Jesus. Second Yahweh has the same values as Allah. And third, a Muslim and Christian who does not have the value called love of God and his fellow beings is worse than a dog (no insult to the dog is intended).

Hier:
Science is simply, what I can explain, (without considering the fact something or someone who could have influenced) using what I can relate it.


In my past life, I have been able to relate with the fact with personal convictions about the existence of God , so I would be deceiving myself, because I won't look for answers when I'm convinced I know the answer.

That my good friend is the definition of (personal) belief and is definitely not science.

"Science is the pursuit of knowledge and understanding of the natural and social world following a systematic methodology based on evidence."

Martinez19:
how something inspired by God could be erroneous.

God may inspire a thing but the recipient of that which God inspired might be erroneously received, hence the entire received inspiration may contain errors.

mrwonlasewonie:
after Adam and eve died,Cain married women of other races that existed in the world but the Bible didn't give account of that or tell us in details who Cain's wife was but he married sha.that was the Bottomline.

The woman Cain married was created by some other Creating God and the reason the Bible does not state their origin is because the Bible God did not wish to promote the existence of the competition.
For more info on those created by the other Creator Gods, read creation myths outside the Bible.

Sgtponzihater1, I remember that post. Your warnings from the start made me decide not to bother. You warned about it loud enough for even fools with too much money to reconsider. But what else would fools do with money if not give it to those who need it more than they do. My only regret is that I never got some for myself. If people are freely giving their money away, more fool me for not taking it!

To all who warned about ponzi schemes, I doff my capito to you for your undying resilience. Your cups will continue to overfiow.

To the givers who mmmed, I doff my capito to you too o. Please pm to give me help. One can never have enough.

sgtponzihater1:
Dear Friends and Brothers,

Awhile ago an MMM participant came to this forum and cried out that he has not been paid. A believed guider rushed in to attack him, he asked if he had clicked on the mavros button, and if the mavros had shown a green colour. The participants came back saying the mavros were not yet green, he was scolded without end by die hard and angry participants, participants who clearly knew they were in a fix and didn't want someone reducing their chances of regaining their locked funds also kicked and barked hard.

Today most participants have been left with a bloody nose and a torn shirt, they have been shown the difference between Samuel Peters and May weather. The commercial value of a green mavro is now obvious and clear for all to see. It's sad that it took many losing hard earned and saved finances to learn that a green mavros is nothing but cheap scam and is not equivalent to any legal tender anywhere in the world. If you think I lie, ask those with stuck 2016 mavros how long their mavros have been green.

Finally, We must constantly remind ourself about the importance of standing for the truth no matter how unpopular it is, we must also re-orient ourself about rejecting schemes that are illegal and unethical no matter how juicy their vague rewards seem.

Innovate.

Shun Ponzi Schemes

Your Brother,

Sgt Ponzi Hater

Atum Creating the World


"I am He Who Came into Being.
I lifted myself from the watery mass, out of stillness.
I did not find a place where I could stand.
I was alone.
I took courage in my heart.
I laid the benben (foundation, primeval mound.)
I created other gods to keep me company.
Men and women arose from the tears which came forth from my eyes."