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Christianity Etc › Re: Manifesto. Positio Fraternitatis Rosae Crucis by budaatum(op): 5:04pm On Aug 24, 2009*

THE whole Rosicrucian controversy centres in this publication, which Buhle describes as "a comic romance of extraordinary talent." It was first published at Strasbourg in the year 1616, but, as will be seen in the seventh chapter, it is supposed to have existed in manuscript as early as 1601-2, thus antedating by a long period the other Rosicrucian books. Two editions of the German original are preserved in the Library of the British Museum, both bearing the date 1616. It was translated into English for the first time in 1690, under the title of "The Hermetic Romance: or The Chymical Wedding. Written in High Dutch by Christian Rosencreutz. Translated by E. Foxcroft, late Fellow of King's Colledge in Cambridge. Licensed and entered according to Order. Printed by A. Sowie, at the Crooked Billet in Holloway-Lane, Shoreditch; and Sold at the Three-Keys in Nags-Head-Court, Grace-church-street." It is this translation in substance, that is, compressed by the omission of all irrelevant matter and dispensable prolixities, which I now offer to the reader.

The Chymical Marriage of Christian Rosencreutz. Anno 1459.

Arcana publicata vilescunt, et gratiam prophanata amittunt.
Ergo: ne Margaritas objice porcis, seu Asino substernere rosas.
THE FIRST BOOK.

The First Day.

Christianity Etc › Re: Has Atheism Taken Over Nl by budaatum: 4:53pm On Aug 24, 2009

Pastor AIO:
You're talking about what lurks at the bottom of Lewis Carroll's garden. Things are quite different at the bottom of my garden. I need a wall to keep out arm robbers. That's the difference between 9ja and jand.

Have you tried digging a hole? They might fall down it like Alice did. I hear the west side is the best place for it.

Christianity Etc › Re: Has Atheism Taken Over Nl by budaatum: 12:35pm On Aug 17, 2009

Pastor AIO:
Well at the border of the universe there is this great big wall. Now, if you can climb over this wall to the other side you will find yourself back where you started. every successful attempt to scale the wall will only put you back to the one and same side of the wall. If you don't believe me ask Alice in Wonderland.

I am sure though that Humpty Dumpty in his "words mean exactly what I say they mean" way, would state that the great big wall is really a great big hole, and that's what Alice fell into.

Christianity Etc › Re: Has Atheism Taken Over Nl by budaatum: 1:05pm On Aug 15, 2009

[quote author=Tudór link=topic=307136.msg4347640#msg4347640 date=1250189020]I fail to understand how you can make this assertion yet claim the universe can never be infinite. . . .it's just strange![/quote]It was strange to me too Tudor! They claim everything has to have a beginning, but claim God has no beginning. It don't quite add up, I say.

Personally, I read book and realise that once we get to just about 4000 years ago, history is more mythological than factual. Evidence does suggests that the earth is at least 10,000 years old, and some suggest it's 10,000 billion years old. But if we are fuzzy on history of 10,000 years ago, I can't but ask why I have to make up myths for earlier than that!

Christianity Etc › Re: Has Atheism Taken Over Nl by budaatum: 1:59am On Aug 13, 2009

Prizm:
Sir, for a long time, the popular idea amongst atheists was that the universe was infinite and eternal. Such a view is no longer being seriously held by atheists and theists alike. There is powerful scientific evidence and confirmation that the Universe started to exist/began to exist/commenced to be a finite time in the past (about 13.7 billion years ago). At the creation of the universe, space, time, matter, energy, dark matter, dark energy, gravitation, the strong nuclear force, the weak nuclear force etc came into being. So to answer your question, space, time, matter and energy are contingent entities (they do not exist "incontingently" or by "necessity" and as such do not have an infinite past.

My understanding is that there are very many theories aiming to explain the beginning of the universe, there is however no proof that any is more conclusively right than others. When it is said that the Universe began, for instance, was there no existence prior to that point in time, would you suggest? And if so, did nothing come out of nothing?

By the ay, you would forgive me, I can't come over to your blog.

Christianity Etc › Re: Has Atheism Taken Over Nl by budaatum: 1:52am On Aug 13, 2009

Prizm:
The first premiss is not to be understood as saying “everything has to be caused” instead it is saying that an entity needs a cause or explanation if and only if it has a beginning. To further expatiate on the first premiss, nothing comes out of nothing, from nothing, by nothing; or to simply state it “Being does not come from non-being.” So we are not talking of material causes here only but efficient causes as well. If things could really spontaneously pop into existence from nothing by nothing then there is no reason why any and everything doesn’t spontaneously pop into existence all the time.

You seem to be making assertions without providing any evidence for them. You further seem to want those assertions accepted, and leave not much room for disagreeing! "nothing comes out of nothing, from nothing, by nothing; or to simply state it “Being does not come from non-being.”" Can you see how that sounds as implausible to the atheist as "God created the heavens and the Earth"?

I am sorry to want to tie up in this, but why must an entity need a cause or explanation? If an entity does not have a beginning or explanation would that mean it does not exist? And how then can God that has no explanation or beginning, exist.

P.s. Its a flawed argument, and it does not work I know, but you did use it yourself!

Christianity Etc › Re: Has Atheism Taken Over Nl by budaatum: 1:28am On Aug 13, 2009

Of the great secrets of God, which God revealed and told to Enoch, and spoke with him face to face.

AND the Lord summoned me, and said to me: 'Enoch, sit down on my left with Gabriel.'

2 And I bowed down to the Lord, and the Lord spoke to me: Enoch, beloved, all thou seest, all things that are standing finished I tell to thee even before the very beginning, all that I created from non-being, and visible things from invisible.

3 Hear, Enoch, and take in these my words, for not to My angels have I told my secret, and I have not told them their rise, nor my endless realm, nor have they understood my creating, which I tell thee to-day.

4 For before all things were visible, I alone used to go about in the invisible things, like the sun from east to west, and from west to east.

5 But even the sun has peace in itself, while I found no peace, because I was creating all things, and I conceived the thought of placing foundations, and of creating visible creation.

Chapter XXVI, The Book of the Secrets of Enoch

Christianity Etc › Re: Has Atheism Taken Over Nl by budaatum: 12:19am On Aug 13, 2009

Prizm:
Here’s a concise formulation of the Cosmological Argument (for those who may not bother to do the necessary research):

1) Whatever begins to exist has a cause.
2) The Universe began to exist.
3) Therefore, the Universe had a cause.

What this means quite plainly is that the universe along with space, time, matter and energy came into being.

The universe is not a necessary entity; it is a contingent entity. It does not have an infinite past.

Thanks for this, Prizm, I am one of the lazy ones. Just a question, its that "begins". I am certain this type of logic has a basis, but does it quite work here?

There is no evidence for the Universe beginning I would have you consider. Are you asking that one believe it did? Could space, time, matter and energy not have existed incontingently, with an infinite past?

Christianity Etc › Re: Meta-physics/ Kabbalah/ Egregores/geometry by budaatum: 2:41pm On Aug 11, 2009

[quote author=m_nwankwo link=topic=296488.msg4329592#msg4329592 date=1249927758]Any person who have experienced God even for a second cannot but love his neighbour. Such a one shows even greater love to his so called enemies.[/quote]Hi hwanko, welcome to the thread. I specifically love the above. Nothing is truer. And welcome bask Pastor. By the way, its Kaballah, it never finishes, new texts keep getting added.

[quote author=m_nwankwo link=topic=296488.msg4329592#msg4329592 date=1249927758]Our people always have God in there libs but deep down them (even though they are not conscious of it), they do not believe in God or believe in man made intuitive forms.[/quote]Why they should believe in what they have not experienced is my wonder, if you see what I mean.

Christianity Etc › Re: Has Atheism Taken Over Nl by budaatum: 2:19pm On Aug 11, 2009

Pastor AIO:
Who is this Prizm guy? I like him very much!!!

So do I!

Who are you Prizm?

Christianity Etc › Re: Amorc Is Not A Cult by budaatum: 4:44pm On Aug 10, 2009

Amorc is a cult. Entry requirements are listed in bold:

woleprof:
ARMOC, hmmmmmm

my uncle a retired military officer (a one time member of the Rosicrucian) just finished telling me about the powerful and dreaded cult.

he warned me to be careful about what i say concerning them. (which i wil adhere to here). The H/Q is located at Califonia in the US and Calabar in NIgeria. It is solely for those with wide heart and daring conscience. Somethin about this cult is, you should be ready to read, study and do research properly, because most of their deed are baical on reading and findings.

Connection is paramount, cos the mighty in the society and indeed the world over are member of this cult.

_{*brb for more*}

Christianity Etc › Re: Has Atheism Taken Over Nl by budaatum: 4:15pm On Aug 10, 2009

A Koan

Hod was not getting some of you any where
Nairaland changed direction

It has evolved!

Christianity Etc › Re: Manifesto. Positio Fraternitatis Rosae Crucis by budaatum(op): 10:02pm On Aug 06, 2009

About The Rosicrucian Order, AMORC

THE ROSICRUCIAN TEACHINGS enable people to find themselves, turn their lives around, and influence the universe. We are educators, students and seekers devoted to exploring inner wisdom and the meaning of life. We offer an ancient time tested system of study and experimentation, which reveals the underlying principles of the universe. Our method offers practical tools applicable to all aspects of life.

The Rosicrucian teachings allow individuals to direct their own lives, experience inner peace and leave their mark on humanity. It is for this reason that we urge our members to remain committed to the investigation, study and practical application of all natural and spiritual laws for the attainment of Health, Happiness and Peace to the glory of God, the betterment of humanity and the evolution of the soul personality.

Download pdf copy of Mystery of Life
Nigeria Contact Details
Amorc near you

Christianity Etc › Re: Manifesto. Positio Fraternitatis Rosae Crucis by budaatum(op): 6:30am On Aug 03, 2009*

Understanding Self

Let’s go on a journey. Let’s explore this sense of SELF we all seem to share. It’s a journey called The Mountains of the Mind. The opposite condition to climbing these mountains is a state we could call, “Lost in the World”. That’s the state that most of us spend our lives in, rocked and buffeted by the physical and emotional weather of our lives.

To begin this, become conscious of what you are experiencing now. First of all what is your mood? Are you happy, sad or indifferent? Next, are you physically comfortable, perhaps too hot or too cold; or you may be uncomfortably hunched over your computer keyboard?

©Copyright AMORC 2009 no part of this site may be reproduced without AMORC’s written permission

Christianity Etc › Re: Any A.M.O.R.C Member On Nairaland by budaatum: 6:23am On Aug 03, 2009

kuntagunit:
Dont worry about the full meaning, those that are members know the meaning

Shall thy not be done to as thou hath done?
On what basis would thou have an answer to thine when thou answereth not another's?

Christianity Etc › Re: Meta-physics/ Kabbalah/ Egregores/geometry by budaatum: 6:16am On Aug 03, 2009

Kabbalah per excellence, Jack! The finger that points to the moon is how Zen would put it, the worship of an image in Christianity.
Have you heard of the Jewish genizah? Its where books that have finished serving their purpose are sent for burial.

Christianity Etc › Re: Hello Athiests An Assumed Question For U To Answer by budaatum: 10:34am On Jul 31, 2009

jamiru:
lets make an assumption.

lets assume that after reading thru various threads u have created, to riducle christianity - lets assume other religion are put aside. and i have seen how u have presented your facts
1. There is no God
2. that the bible cannot be the word of a divine creator becasue of its contradiction
3. that we are on our own here with no divinity, supernatural, devils etc

now if ur assumption is true, WHAT DO I HOPE TO GAIN BY BEING AN ATHIEST? u could kindly highlight point by point the benefits that entails. Thanks

First, you atheists. Is there really no benefit in being an atheist? And did one of one atheist just say they "find it easier to beleive that human beings evolved rather than being created"? Now that's one for the books, a believing atheist, lol.

Well here's mine.
1. You are not alone, or have you not heard of the little green aliens from out of space?
2. There are Gods
3. The Bible is the Word of one of them.

And what you gain by knowing this is an understand of your fellow human beings.

Christianity Etc › Re: Manifesto. Positio Fraternitatis Rosae Crucis by budaatum(op): 10:18am On Jul 29, 2009*

Manifesto
Positio Fraternitatis Rosae Crucis

Prologue

Dear reader, since we did not know how to contact you directly, we are doing so through the medium of this Manifesto. We hope that you will read it with an open mind and that it will arouse some thought within you. Our wish is not to convince you of the validity of this “Positio”, but to share it with you freely. Of course, we hope that it will find a responsive chord within your soul. If not, we appeal to your tolerance.

--------------------

In 1623, the Rose-Croix plastered the walls of Paris with mysterious and intriguing posters, which read as follows:

©Copyright AMORC 2009 no part of this site may be reproduced without AMORC’s written permission

Christianity Etc › Re: The Secret Of The Universe(kabbala). by budaatum: 10:08am On Jul 29, 2009

fajiboy:
@ buda atum, you are very much welcome to this section of the divine truth.I hope this statement rings a bell in your mind ;
1. "MANY ARE CALLED BUT FEW ARE CHOSEN".
2. "MY PEOPLE PERISH BECAUSE OF LACK OF WISDOM".
Buda Atum you are welcome once again,

Buda, you were able to decode my encoded words on my being a rosicrucian because of ideas you have about the authors of those books i recommended,this shows you hv got a vast knowledge on rosicrucianism.But, note that not everyone that recommends or reads mystical books is a member of a mystical institution, he/she might just be a lover of mysticism.If u haven't read those books, i advise you read them.

Of course people do not have to be members of a mystical org to be a mystic, Faji. And no, I have not read either of the two books you recommended, though I am sure the same sentiments may be found in some that I have read.

I myself am a 'Lewis', and have read Mental Alchemy by Ralph M. Lewis. He was the child of Harvey, and served as Imperator of the Rosicrucian Order, AMORC, for forty-seven years until his transition in 1987.

Christianity Etc › Re: God / Jesus Is Not Great (or Cannot Do Greater Things Than Humans) by budaatum: 9:53am On Jul 29, 2009

huxley2:
Do you guys realise that this thread is not about the trinity, not about whether Jesus is God. But it is about whether any human with a great belief in Jesus could do greater things than Jesus.

Sorry Huxley, I went off topic.

Actually, Jesus is very great indeed, even if one considers the dead people raising, eye opening, and feeding thousands is myth or over elaborations of what actually happened. The fact is he spiritually seems to have done these things and that's a great thing to do indeed. But on top of that, his teachings have shown many more and since and then, to do these same things and much more, like stop people dying in the first place, restoring sight to the blind, and feeding even millions. And people who 'believe' in Jesus seem to be able to do these things too. (I would say, 'understand', but "understanding believers" themselves claim to just believe, so I shall stick to language, pointing out it is not language I share).

However, one must bear in mind the many who claim to 'believe' but cannot remove the forest from their own eyes too.

Christianity Etc › Re: God / Jesus Is Not Great (or Cannot Do Greater Things Than Humans) by budaatum: 1:01pm On Jul 28, 2009

Abuzola:
Exactly, the bible is just a confussion book, i still wonder why many learned people accept the bible just like that as of God no wonder great atheist are pervading amongst them

Is it not true that as far as religious books go, the Koran too is equally as confusing for the ignorant and the blind?
Is it not true that for either book a certain shinning of the eye is required for comprehension?
Abuzola, with all due respect, is it not truer that you yourself are the confused one, and not the Bible that is confusing?

On The Trinity of buda
One explanation (There are others!)

I am buda atum. To you, words on a computer screen. If you kick, you might kick my words, but I will not feel the pain. Would you understand if I said you kick the Spirit of buda?

When we meet, we will shake hands, we might even hug and kiss one another. If you kick me at that point, I will cry out for you would have hit buda Body. (I will leave it to the individual to work out which of the Trinity of buda you kick!)

When we part, I will take away an impression of you in my mind. I will think of our meeting and what we did. All these thinkings will take place inside buda, and not on her body, or in words.

Is there not a Trinity of buda?

On the Trinity of God

In the beginning, no one saw God. Some say they heard a booming voice, and some a burning bush, and Balaam's ass too did speak. Each made up their idea of God according to their own understanding, which could not have been understanding since they couldn't even understand they were naked! Nor was their one God, but a myriad of them.

And then someone decided to actually look, with open eyes and see God. This person put flesh on the idea that was God and how compassionate it became. No more brimstone and fire, but Loving and Kindness and Compassion, and not only for God, but for you and me and all fellow human beings, the lion not eating the lamb and eternal peace in heaven and on earth.

But that peace as spat on and crucified, and replaced by the paraclete of God divine. Or is this not the one things that connects you and I, Abuzola, that which is in the mind?

Or is this not a Trinity too?

Please note, If Jesus is not great, it is becasue one does not see. For a person who the Angel Gabriel speaks to cannot in any way be a swine.

Christianity Etc › Manifesto. Positio Fraternitatis Rosae Crucis by budaatum(op): 12:38pm On Jul 28, 2009

There are those of you who accuse me of posting things without commenting. Standing corrected, I post this, first, to explain only my reason for posting it.

Some claim that the truth is hidden. I myself disagree, first, becasue of great Man once asked me, "What is Truth?" And secondly, becasue the Truth is not hidden to those who have eyes. Some may assume based on that, that the content of this thread is the Truth, and the only Truth. I will have the folly of eating bread alone borne in mind please, as opposed to feeding on every Word that proceedeth from the mouth of God. I will also have it remembered that if one multiplied all the oceans in the world seven time and makes ink out of it, and the trees also multiplied seven times and made into paper to write on. They still will not be sufficient to contain that which is of God.

As to God's to do with this Word. You must please be the judge of that!

Christianity Etc › Re: The Secret Of The Universe(kabbala). by budaatum: 12:20pm On Jul 28, 2009

fajiboy:
I never wanted you to know this secret about myself now, but to boost your morale i would let u know.I have being a member of the roscrucian order(AMORC) for years.Being a member of rose cross(modified as roscrucian order), i have lived inline with their teachings and principles which has helped me over the years.

fajiboy:
You can also advance your study on mystitism by reading good mystical books.I would recommend you read these books titled "LIFE AFTER LIFE by Raymonda A. Moody Jr (M.D)" and the .

Funny faji! You announced that you were a Roc in you third post! Harvey Spencer Lewis F.R.C., S.·.I.·., 33°66°95°, Ph.D. (November 25, 1883 – August 2, 1939) was after all a noted Rosicrucian author, occultist, and mystic, and the founder in USA and the first Imperator of Ancient Mystical Order Rosae Crucis (AMORC), from 1915 until 1939.

Anyway, Jagoon, contrary to what some have been saying on here, nothing can be hidden from those who seek. Christ who himself advised that one seek is hardly likely to have lied and not meant "One will find". The difficulty however, he also expressed, that people with pre-conceived notions are like the blind and old who think becoming born again is the re-entering into the womb of their mothers. To those who think this way, is it not true that seeing for them is as hard as the camel entering through the eye of a needle?

Many cannot seek becasue they cannot even see yet is the problem. Pearls are in front of them, yet they see not. When the Prince of Light said to the female Mud that surely she will not die: "For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil" [url=http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=genesis%203:3-5;&version=9;]Gen 3:5[/url], did they die, or did it not happen as he said? Were they not freed from He who hid the truth from Mud and kept them naked and whom they knew as their Lord and Master?

The Light of humans that shineth in the darkness, the Son of God, the Messiah Jesus the Christ too said, "That ye are gods". John 10:34, yet people not dare connect the twain. In the darkness the Light is not comprehended, and a doctrine that enslaves is called Holy while that which was Light has become the darkness that blots out the Kingdom of God that is inside one. They understand not the things that are spoken unto them, and continue to refuse to pick up their cross. They pick up their enslaving chains instead. It is written that the female Mud's sorrow is multiplied, and the male Mud shall eat in sorrow till he dies, and the many dare not damn such hardship and free themselves from their enslaving doctrine!

The mystic sees in the Spirit. The mystic see the things of the Spirit. When the mystic opens the mouth and utters what has been seen, s/he is stoned, or nailed to a cross or burnt at the stake. This is one reason why the mystic remains quiet, and says nothing. When the mystic acts, for that is what mystics do, they utter first some words on mud they have spat on, and rub it in the eyes of those who would see. Some eventually go to their master, and say "I am free from you enslaving!" [url=http://John 9]John 9[/url], and do not need anyone to tell them what they must know! They seek without stopping even if they are disturbed by what they find. When they find, they are marvel, until they discover the interpretation of these sayings and do not taste death. It is such as these, it is written, who live everlasting life, Jagoon. These who reign over all, and afterwards will rest. (c.f. The Gospel of Thomas)

Faji is spitting on the mud and rubbing it in the eye of those of us who read. Some will continue to claim all is hidden. While they who have eyes that work, will see!

Christianity Etc › Re: Meta-physics/ Kabbalah/ Egregores/geometry by budaatum: 6:25pm On Jul 26, 2009

Pastor AIO:
In light of the attitude of Zen what do we think of Egregores now.

I mean the idea that egregores/thoughtforms can be cultured ('institutionalized') and used to serve the interests of the community rather than being a negative aspect of it.

Perhaps what we need is actually no thoughtforms at all. How do we go about ridding ourselves of egregores and making Nigeria a Zen nation?

Egregores seem to be the things one believes, it seems, those things that make one rigid in thought I'd say. Zen on the other hand, seems to be against the idea of beliefs, advocating something else, though I can't say what. Reminds me of something Paul said about when he was a child. One sue must leave childish things at some time, I reckon.

Christianity Etc › Re: Meta-physics/ Kabbalah/ Egregores/geometry by budaatum: 6:20pm On Jul 26, 2009

Pastor AIO:
Here are some excerpts from the Secret of the Golden Flower.

These are slightly different translations from the one in the book I own. I found them here:
http://www.wokendreams.com/GoldenFlower/GoldenFlower1.html

Its not one I have read, though I have read the forward of this edition by Jung.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Secret Of The Universe(kabbala). by budaatum: 10:14am On Jul 26, 2009

Just to let you know my eyes are on this thread.

Christianity Etc › Re: 30 Keys To Being An Effective Atheist by budaatum(op): 10:11am On Jul 26, 2009

davidylan:
that is human philosophy, a lie of the devil, a tool primarily used to water down the gospel.

A certain person, some say He was a God, once said, "If one does not do to these human beings that one sees in front of one, one is suredly not doing for the God in the Heavens that one does not see"

davidylan:
At one point Christ lost more than 70 disciples in one day! Read john 6 . . . he wasnt perturbed . . . He knew that those who were genuinely called to repentance would remain. The kingdom of God hasnt always been about quantity as much as the quality of your relationship with Jesus.

A certain person, some say He was a God, once said, "if one of my sheep goes missing, I leave the other 99 and go look for it"

davidylan:
You're god's notion of love is evil. I only wish you could open your eyes long enough to see it. It is watching a blind man walking into a ditch and encouraging him to go forward so as not to "alienate" him. It is knowing a patient has terminal cancer and telling him he only has the flu so as not to break his spirit. That isnt love bro.

You are accusing me of lying to people that I love, david. And you use analogies that I think do not represent me at all, but what do I know?

A certain person was told by God, it is written, that "Thou shall not bear false witness against another!"

All quotes above are from the Buda's Version, and it is likely that you do not have a copy david. But some have Books of their own where the same quotations are found. I am sure someone will find us chapter and verse.

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Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Atheism? by budaatum(op): 9:55am On Jul 26, 2009

Pastor AIO:
Can we make an unspoken rule and promise ourselves not to do it again. Or at least not do it so much. And only to copy and paste ideas that we actually endorse and are ready to argue for.

No! I will not make such a promise! I will post things that even go against what I endorse, or am ready to argue for. If I find a Christian, or Muslim, or any other faithish article that I find worthy of consideration, whether I agree or disagree with it, I will share it with the forum, regardless of my own sentiments! I will even post things that specifically go against my one sentiments and opinion, and I will do al this becasue whatever I think, I refuse to be so rigid as to not consider views that are not, or oppose mine!

Hopefully, in time, we will all learn to discuss issues without the need to throw muck at one another!

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Atheism? by budaatum(op): 9:50am On Jul 26, 2009

What does it matter what I think? Don't you have enough to consider in the post itself? Sorry, but the only reason you want one's personal opinion - those of you who want it - is becasue you need a person to attack, as opposed to, reason with what is posted, I wil have you consider!

As to Christians only posting things without commenting, please note, the poster of this no commented article is an atheist, and she does not agree with everything that the article says about him!

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Atheism? by budaatum(op): 9:39pm On Jul 23, 2009

Pastor AIO:
I am. I also like the fact that it is the name of God. hee hee.

Or should I say, Eheieh.

EH HEH EE EH AHSHER EH HEH EE EH EH HEH EE EH

Christianity Etc › Re: 30 Keys To Being An Effective Atheist by budaatum(op): 9:34pm On Jul 23, 2009

Please forgive him Chrisbenogor, and mazaje, for he knows not what he says.

davidylan:
I'm not sure your "God" understands the real meaning of "love".
Love is not closing your eyes when your friends are heading towards eternal damnation.

How do you love buda? By giving your money, time and sacrifice? Is that enough? Have you considered it would all be a waste if they were to die without Jesus and end up in hell?

You try not to offend when you refuse to preach the gospel to those who need it for fear of either alienating them from you or hurting their own religious feelings.

I do not close my eyes to the plight of my friend david. I advice, I assist, and I most certainly do not tell them to say "Jesus is Lord", and there plight will go away. They say that already, and their plights keep increasing!

I most certainly do not want to alienate people whom I can be of assistance to. If I drive them away, they might go away so far that I wouldn't be able to help them at all!

Open your eye david and my God might show you its meaning of "love". Then you can assess if its dumb or not.

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