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ScienceWatch:I have no evidence that Zimmerman's study on atheism has been covered up since I don't have evidence it existed in the first place. It is odd then, that you ask me to provide evidence for the alleged cover up. It is like asking an atheist to provide evidence for a god s/he claims doesn't exist. Can you see how silly that sounds? The cover up of such a study would involve complete eradication of Prof Hans Zimmerman ever existing at Hamburg University, silencing him so he does not shout 'foul', the total wipeout of the study you claim you saw on the web and from all the sites it would have been shared on, the silencing of all his students - he was a professor in a university afterall; the erradication of all comments made on said study, the silencing of all those who made those comments, and the elimination of all op eds on said study. Somehow, I doubt anyone would bother to go so far, and if they did, there would be a trail. However, if you have evidence for any of this, I would consider it. |
lekbel09:Hopefully, no one is preaching to anyone. Some are really attempting to understand how others reason, though I can't say I don't see what you mean. It is shear arrogance to preach to others, is my opinion. The assumption of the preacher is that one needs savings and they, the preacher, is one's saviour, even though they hide this fact behind some Messiah they have only read about. If only they would remove the mote from their own eyes! Intelligent people would reason with one another, and if they cannot resolve their differences, at the very least, understand what has been said. But, as you stated, we try to convert others and hence is the preaching. But, however. Whether there is a God or not, it cannot but be pleasing. In the arguing, whether one likes it or not, even regarding those who make claims they have no evidence for, I tell you, people do not remain ignorant once they have been here. And hence, the 'God's' work is done. |
In his Autobiographical Notes, Einstein wrote that he had gradually lost his faith early in childhood: . . . I came—though the child of entirely irreligious (Jewish) parents—to a deep religiousness, which, however, reached an abrupt end at the age of twelve. Through the reading of popular scientific books I soon reached the conviction that much in the stories of the Bible could not be true. The consequence was a positively fanatic orgy of freethinking coupled with the impression that youth is intentionally being deceived by the state through lies; it was a crushing impression. Mistrust of every kind of authority grew out of this experience, a skeptical attitude toward the convictions that were alive in any specific social environment—an attitude that has never again left me, even though, later on, it has been tempered by a better insight into the causal connections. It is quite clear to me that the religious paradise of youth, which was thus lost, was a first attempt to free myself from the chains of the 'merely personal,' from an existence dominated by wishes, hopes, and primitive feelings. Out yonder there was this huge world, which exists independently of us human beings and which stands before us like a great, eternal riddle, at least partially accessible to our inspection and thinking. The contemplation of this world beckoned as a liberation, and I soon noticed that many a man whom I had learned to esteem and to admire had found inner freedom and security in its pursuit. The mental grasp of this extra-personal world within the frame of our capabilities presented itself to my mind, half consciously, half unconsciously, as a supreme goal. Similarly motivated men of the present and of the past, as well as the insights they had achieved, were the friends who could not be lost. The road to this paradise was not as comfortable and alluring as the road to the religious paradise; but it has shown itself reliable, and I have never regretted having chosen it. "The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends…. For me the Jewish religion like all other religions is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions." Wiki |
Shelloween:Didn't see this! And wash your mouth with carbolic acid. It is dirty! |
Shelloween:Dear Shelloween, I can't give you a 'God said' response I am afraid, as I am not that way inclined. I assume you are a Christian, so will respond in Christianese with refs to the Bible. Correct me where I err. First let me state that your words here are evidence that you receive the blessings of God. Note how you have not said, "God, why have you made me (being you yourself), suffer?" What you ask is why others suffer! I put it to you that selfish peoples, you are not. You have a heart so big that it has space for the pain that others feel. There was a being who did that. It is written those he came to help crucified him. But don't be put off by that - they've evolved since then and now call him the Saviour and claim he sits on the right hand of God. I will ask that you meditate on the first chapter of John. Also read the Temptations of Christ. Dwell on the Word and the fact that It is written, and note what Christ is said to have done with it. Continue this prayer you have stated here. As you journey along, the Lord thy God will be with you and if you do not deviate you will someday find that even more than He did, you have done. For you Sir have a Spirit of Christ in you. |
I read this post about 5 times over twice as many days. It got a response from me at first read, flippant as it was, but I just keep coming back to it. I find it to be a very intelligently thought out post, even while expressing a position I doubt the poster agrees with. I would claim it comes from a highly developing mind I hold you, KingEbukasBlog, in high esteem for this post. Thank you immensely for it. KingEbukasBlog: |
I protest strongly sir that none of your posted links, apart from the one I quoted from extensively, mention any study by anyone named Zimmerman at any university whatsoever! The first link is the author's view. No investigation is mentioned. The second is a critique of Dawkins’ book, The God Delusion, of which the author states his opinion. While the third is at best an opinion (though not a considered one at all). None of them claim to be from a study nor do they present any evidence for their claims. You will kindly forgive my pedantism. The science in your watch directs me to assume, correctly, hopefully, that you may be scientific in your approach to evidence. A link to the study would suffice. As to the Nazi HZ, it seemed to me the others I came across couldn't have cut the mustard. If I err do please correct me. ScienceWatch: |
ScienceWatch:I most humble request references please. |
PastorAIO:He'll become like Zeus, Osiris etc, 'dead' gods. The logical conclusion of all gods. |
PastorAIO:Nothing changed in the person who becomes a deity (or, orisa). It is the perceivers perception that changed. They hold the person in such high esteem that they elevate the person into the heavens. |
erico2k2:[s]She's on bail. Passport confiscated. Can't leave country.[/s] Correction Alison-Madueke - who was briefly arrested in London in October 2015, although no charges were brought - has previously denied to Reuters any wrongdoing when questioned about missing public funds and corruption allegations. Reuters APRIL 5, 2017 |
nzgal:[s]She's on bail. Passport confiscated. Can't leave country.[/s] Correction Alison-Madueke - who was briefly arrested in London in October 2015, although no charges were brought - has previously denied to Reuters any wrongdoing when questioned about missing public funds and corruption allegations. Reuters APRIL 5, 2017 |
Did Buddhism win the best Religion of the world award? There’s a rumor going about a lot of blogs that Buddhism wins the best religion of the world reward. Unfortunately it’s only blogs that are reporting this. No ordinary news sources, nor can I find the ‘Icarus’ foundation that is said to have given the award because: “It wasn’t a surprise to me that Buddhism won Best Religion in the World, because we could find literally not one single instance of a war fought in the name of Buddhism, in contrast to every other religion that seems to keep a gun in the closet just in case God makes a mistake. We were hard pressed to even find a Buddhist that had ever been in an army. These people practice what they preach to an extent we simply could not document with any other spiritual tradition.” While I am halfway to being a Buddhist, this just isn’t true. There are plenty of wars fought ‘in defense’ of Buddhism. Right now young Tibetans are defying the Dalai Lama and trying to get rid of the Chinese in their country for instance. While I fully sympathize with their plight, taking to arms just isn’t the same thing as nonviolence – and that’s what this online rumor does claim. So let’s go straight to the heart of this and quote what was standard reading material in a class on religion and violence I took a few years back: … the history and teachings of Buddhism are not spotless. The great military conquests of the Sinhalese kingdoms in Sri Lanka, for instance, have been conducted in the name of the Buddhist tradition and often with the blessings of Buddhist monks. In Thailand the tradition called for those who rule by the sword as kings to first experience the discipline of Buddhist monastic training. They had to be “world renouncers” before they could be “world conquerors,” as the Harvard anthropologist Stanley Tambiah put it. … Like Islam, the great expansion of Buddhism in various parts of the world has been credited in part to the support given it by victorious kings and military forces who have claimed to be fighting only to defend the faith against infidels and to establish a peaceful moral order. (p. 114, Terror in the Mind of God; the global rise of religious violence, Mark Juergensmeyer) If you think Tibetan Buddhism is exempt – think again. Any history of the succession of the Dalai Lama’s (let’s go straight to the heart of the myth) shows them being killed off by courtiers one after another. A short summary of that is available here: Friendly Feudalism: The Tibet Myth. It’s a Western wish to see Tibetan Buddhism as peaceful, to ignore the less savory sides of it’s history. And of course Tibetans in exile have a steak in that myth, because it funds their various monasteries, schools, hospitals etc. I know this is neither comforting, nor uplifting, but I do think that the truth is the only foundation for true spirituality. The fact is: no religion is a guarantee for peace. It’s what human beings do with it that determines the outcome. Read More by Katinka Hesselink: http://www.allconsidering.com/2009/buddhism-best-religion-award/ |
I was considering starting a thread asking about the creation of God, but God in its infinitesimal wisdom made this thread appear so I'll add my 2pence. Op, God is blessing you! Gracelilian:By image, I'll assert we mean, How a thing appears to one, a sort of, 'What it looks like'. So, to be created in the image of God essentially means having the same character(istics), behaviour or nature. Gracelilian:God appears to many in different forms. To some its the Creator, to others the Father, to some a Spirit, a Cross, a Jesus, etc. But essentially, the Image of God is whatever one takes from ones religious book either in part, or, if possible, as a whole. For those who read their Bible from start to the end as one should read a book, you'd note God's behaviour evolves all the way through so much like the historical behaviour of the human being to the extent that at one point God even sees the errors of its ways and changes behaviour and stops killing those who don't do its will but promises to forgive and forgive and forgive. Gracelilian:We bloody atheists find it difficult to get this. Today we have quite a lot of information literally at our fingertips that we can't appreciate the significance of the appearance of the Bible in a time when the earth was dark and void. The God people also don't quite understand how big the bang would have been when 'light' became. But that's humans for you, constantly in a processes of becoming yet arguing they don't evolve. The Image of God shows the course that humans follow such that someday, eventually, they would stop behaving like apes, put on some clothes and create a paradaisical existence where the lamb and lion will dwell in peace. As to how you should live depends on your evolutionary level of understanding and where you fit into the whole scheme of things, to borrow a phrase. You may be at stage 'child' of 'Thou shalt not', and go by that appetisingly named tree and not eat of it's fruit for fear you may die. Or you may grow up, eat the fruit and have your eyes opened so you can see! I repeat, God blesses you op. |
butterflyl1on:I stand guilty as accused. I am glad you don't mind me going to hell. |
butterflyl1on:At least I'm taken serious. Your comments are general. In as much as you've said it to one person you'd expect a response from anyone who cares to. But like you said, you don't know me. So I'll take it your reference to hallucinating is an off the cuff statement - you know, a shadow without evidence. |
butterflyl1on:All butter's atheists cannot be blaming a non-existent god for deaths. Get your atheists right please. If I cut off my right hand and claim god done it tell me I am mad! Honestly, I don't know what your problem is. If I abort festus, and if as you claim, God considers abortion of festus is a sin, then surely God would cast me in hell no? You need to stop trying to save me! |
butterflyl1on:Once a fetus is alive it is human? So it can live on its own, outside my body? Or am 2 people in one body? If it is human in its own right then let it dwell outside my body in its own right. While it's in my body it's under my jurisdiction and killing it is no, different to cutting off my right hand. What's it to do with you, I laugh? Thankfully, wiser people have resolved that my above thinking is time limited. What's to stop me aborting just one day before you're due to be born, would be the appropriate retort. |
Why Do People Want To Force Their Ideology Down The Throat Of Their Children The simple answer is, because they love their children, and their ideology is the best or only ideology they know, and they don't know better ways to induct their child into their ideology. Say a parent believed becoming a doctor is the best thing for their child. At an early age, that parent would start preparing the child by making sure it learns the sciences. If the parent was of limited parenting skills, force is just about the only tool they'll know I'm afraid. "Sit down there are read your book child". After all, we all been there. Which one of us would rather study when we were kids? And whose parents let you decide whether you went to school or not? There are of course better ways, but even the Christian God was rather limited in how it reared early human beings. "Do my will or die", was its preferred method. There are more parents with limited skills than perfectly skilled parents. We excuse them because they know no better. Same applies to religion. People love their ideologies, love their child, don't want it to go the wrong way (hell), and want it to live a prosperous life. I wish one could sit there with knowledge of all ideologies and trust one's child would chose the right path, but one has to feed the bloody child, house it, clothe it, educate it and so on. So forgive me if I don't have time or the skills to allow my child to flourish, or the stupidity to leave it to said child to chose whether it worships my God or not! "I don't have time for your devilness child, we are going to church". Do note that a Christian parent would have told their child to, "Honour me or die" from like age 2! If the child is not indoctrinated into its parents ideology, the vacuum will be filled by other people's ideologies. Just imagine someone else convincing one's child that being an engineer, or an atheist, is a good thing just because one did not do one's parenting duty of shoving ones ideology down its throat when one could indoctrinate it to see things how one does! Non-indoctrinating Christian parent would say "God blesses you child". Non-parental indoctrinated Child responds "there is no God, parent". Or, Non-indoctrinating atheist parent says, "God is a figment of the imagination". Non-parental indoctrinated child responds, "God forgives you parent because you are a fool". Tell me you wouldn't consider taking said child to the bottom of the river and bashing its bastard head in? Of course that's all because of my limitations as a parent. If I taught my child how to reason and question and search for knowledge instead of forcing my crap down my child's throat with no leave for it to question me, I'll probably have a better adjusted child albeit perhaps with a mind of its own. But hey, I'm only human myself. When it leaves my house it can go seek all the knowledge it wants. In the meantime, forgive me for forcing it to accept the little that I know and become a doctor! |
ScienceWatch:I am afraid you give me way too much credit. All my research comes up dud so my intelligence may not live up to the high standard you think it does. I just can't seem to find anything about the research or the claims it is said to make. I did find this though: Hatred of Atheists plummets to new depths of stupidity The study was supposedly conducted by a Dr. Hans Zimmerman of the University of Hamburg, but a Google search revealed no-one by that name working at this institution. I too checked and found no record of a Dr Hans Zimmerman at Hamburg University. The author further claims A multi-language search for the good doctor did turn up a Hans Zimmerman. He was the Gauleiter of Franconia, Germany, 1940-41. A Nazi Party leader! Right up there with Joe Goebbels. It is said that patience is a virtue. I'll acquire some and gladly wait till the end of next week for you to post those refs please. |
ScienceWatch:The "horrific scientific findings" was not released anywhere that I have come across. You are still required to post your references please. |
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This is from the comments section Scott McGreal said at 4:27 am on August 22, 2012 |
ScienceWatch:You kept promising a link to this study but haven't posted one yet ScienceWatch, despite repeatedly reffering to it New information from a 22-year old study at a German University has many psychiatrists and psychologists throughout the world wondering if atheism is a sign or warning of a more serious mental illness already present or in the process of developing. Doctors are searching for a gene that might cause a correlation between serious mental illness and what they are calling “overt atheism.” The study began based on a student’s observation about Catholic Saints and this motion picture—>: Deus ExMachina. For the time being psychiatrists and research psychologists in Germany and Switzerland are calling this medical anomaly, “The Misfit Syndrome.” More Note that this is not the study but a reporting of it. I am certain ScienceWatch will post a link to the study when he is ready. |
SUPOL:The Pharisees and Sadduces said that too. Then as is written, a Messiah came to explain saying, don't listen to those liars who give out stones instead of bread. Don't listen to those who save their lamb from drowning in a well on the Sabbath but condemn others when they save theirs. Don't listen to those who clean their hands on the outside but not the hearts inside, which are dirty as muck. And if you don't quite get it, he further said, I'll send you a thing called the Holy Spirit to further assist you. But I guess the response then as it is now was, "Crucify him! Crucify him! Crucify him!" I put to you that accepting that certain things cannot be understood is, spiritually speaking, crucifixion of that Messiah and a waste of the blood it is said he shed for you. And is indicative of the non acceptance of 'Christ' in ones life. |
sonofluc1fer:Understandable. Atum was at the very beginning as Otem would tell you. |
SUPOL:It is amazingly simple, it seems, to create Gods. The above is an example of the process which must be well studied and understood least one be led astray. It was written, made holy, then became the infallible Word of God. So let no one apply their critical faculties to its content therein but bow down and worship its holiness, is the implication. A Trinitaranic Process of Deification, despite the long held adage not to mistake the moon for the finger pointing to it as exemplified in the first commandment. I thank Eve. If she had not listened to the serpent and eaten of the Fruit of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil we'd steal be naked, and ignorant I guess. And don't go telling me that God as depicted in that story, did not lie. Adam and Eve did not die as It had promised they would (baring some linguistic acrobatics). Please note, this is not intended as a response to the author. It is however an issue as it stunts the growth of the individual who accepts a thing to be true and infallible without proper scrutiny. But that is the way of humans. Nations that have abandoned the childish ways of understanding the Bible have learnt how to say, "And there was light". While those who worship their Bible are learning to say "Let there be light". |
lagostokd:No book was written by God. Those from whom the Israelites took the land were the owners prior to it being taken from them. |
lagostokd:Then don't like me. |
lagostokd:Stupid human beings. You write a book and claim your Gods wrote it. Then you fight and kill each other and claim your Gods done it! Yahweh people, having wondered in the desert for a certain period, saw some nice juicy land and claimed their Yahweh promised it to them. Yahweh never bothered giving the original occupants notice to quit the land mind, and the rest is Biblical so to speak. Forgive me if my response to your deceit is Jihad! |
lagostokd:I fully understand my initial post and have no reason to further explain it to myself. Nor do I have to provide evidence to prove that that that is how I see it. If I were a Christian, say, would you ask me to present God so you can see what I see? All the same, I'd advise you to go read the Quran and the Old Testament, they are talking about the same entity called God. |
Cooop:Yep, God done it! |
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. It just becomes a god to you since you deified it . Its pretty much it .