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Christianity Etc › Re: 22 Year Study States Atheism In A Mental Disease? by budaatum(op): 11:48am On Oct 07, 2017
ScienceWatch:
Lol, I will watch my science.
Hey, maybe you can explain why the the Zimmerman study on ATHEISM is being covered up ?
I can't find the published findings that was freely available on Google last year.

I think your choice of Nazi HZ was instructive, though I missed the subtle inference at first. Lol
I have no evidence that Zimmerman's study on atheism has been covered up since I don't have evidence it existed in the first place. It is odd then, that you ask me to provide evidence for the alleged cover up. It is like asking an atheist to provide evidence for a god s/he claims doesn't exist. Can you see how silly that sounds?

The cover up of such a study would involve complete eradication of Prof Hans Zimmerman ever existing at Hamburg University, silencing him so he does not shout 'foul', the total wipeout of the study you claim you saw on the web and from all the sites it would have been shared on, the silencing of all his students - he was a professor in a university afterall; the erradication of all comments made on said study, the silencing of all those who made those comments, and the elimination of all op eds on said study. Somehow, I doubt anyone would bother to go so far, and if they did, there would be a trail.

However, if you have evidence for any of this, I would consider it.
Christianity Etc › Re: Stopping Arguments Between Christianty And Atheism by budaatum: 1:08am On Oct 07, 2017
lekbel09:
The bible says in 2 Timothy 2 vs 23-27 that christians shouldnt argue with people who oppose themselves so its very sad when i see so called christians arguing with people. When you preach to someone and the person refuses to acknowledge the glaring truth please do not waste valuable time arguing with such persons just walk away.
Hopefully, no one is preaching to anyone. Some are really attempting to understand how others reason, though I can't say I don't see what you mean.

It is shear arrogance to preach to others, is my opinion. The assumption of the preacher is that one needs savings and they, the preacher, is one's saviour, even though they hide this fact behind some Messiah they have only read about. If only they would remove the mote from their own eyes!

Intelligent people would reason with one another, and if they cannot resolve their differences, at the very least, understand what has been said. But, as you stated, we try to convert others and hence is the preaching.

But, however. Whether there is a God or not, it cannot but be pleasing. In the arguing, whether one likes it or not, even regarding those who make claims they have no evidence for, I tell you, people do not remain ignorant once they have been here. And hence, the 'God's' work is done.
Christianity Etc › Re: Albert Einstein Is Wiser Than God by budaatum: 12:52am On Oct 07, 2017
In his Autobiographical Notes, Einstein wrote that he had gradually lost his faith early in childhood:

. . . I came—though the child of entirely irreligious (Jewish) parents—to a deep religiousness, which, however, reached an abrupt end at the age of twelve. Through the reading of popular scientific books I soon reached the conviction that much in the stories of the Bible could not be true. The consequence was a positively fanatic orgy of freethinking coupled with the impression that youth is intentionally being deceived by the state through lies; it was a crushing impression. Mistrust of every kind of authority grew out of this experience, a skeptical attitude toward the convictions that were alive in any specific social environment—an attitude that has never again left me, even though, later on, it has been tempered by a better insight into the causal connections.

It is quite clear to me that the religious paradise of youth, which was thus lost, was a first attempt to free myself from the chains of the 'merely personal,' from an existence dominated by wishes, hopes, and primitive feelings. Out yonder there was this huge world, which exists independently of us human beings and which stands before us like a great, eternal riddle, at least partially accessible to our inspection and thinking. The contemplation of this world beckoned as a liberation, and I soon noticed that many a man whom I had learned to esteem and to admire had found inner freedom and security in its pursuit. The mental grasp of this extra-personal world within the frame of our capabilities presented itself to my mind, half consciously, half unconsciously, as a supreme goal. Similarly motivated men of the present and of the past, as well as the insights they had achieved, were the friends who could not be lost. The road to this paradise was not as comfortable and alluring as the road to the religious paradise; but it has shown itself reliable, and I have never regretted having chosen it.

"The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends…. For me the Jewish religion like all other religions is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions."

Wiki
Crime › Re: 14years Old Nigerian Bride Kills Her Husband After 5 Months Of Marriage by budaatum: 12:36am On Oct 07, 2017
Shelloween:
14 year old married to a 40 year old. Lawwd, i wonder what she'd been through. Do not touch the young girl, she just sent him to his 70 virgins, I just hope Allah offers Viagra too. Hausas are just disgusting dogs.
Didn't see this!
And wash your mouth with carbolic acid. It is dirty!
Christianity Etc › Re: A Letter To God. by budaatum: 12:27am On Oct 07, 2017
Shelloween:
Dear God,
If you are up there and you love us, why would you let us live in pain, misery, hate, hardship, despair?
Dear Shelloween,

I can't give you a 'God said' response I am afraid, as I am not that way inclined. I assume you are a Christian, so will respond in Christianese with refs to the Bible. Correct me where I err.

First let me state that your words here are evidence that you receive the blessings of God. Note how you have not said, "God, why have you made me (being you yourself), suffer?" What you ask is why others suffer! I put it to you that selfish peoples, you are not. You have a heart so big that it has space for the pain that others feel. There was a being who did that. It is written those he came to help crucified him. But don't be put off by that - they've evolved since then and now call him the Saviour and claim he sits on the right hand of God.

I will ask that you meditate on the first chapter of John. Also read the Temptations of Christ. Dwell on the Word and the fact that It is written, and note what Christ is said to have done with it. Continue this prayer you have stated here.

As you journey along, the Lord thy God will be with you and if you do not deviate you will someday find that even more than He did, you have done. For you Sir have a Spirit of Christ in you.
Christianity Etc › Re: There Are Atheists Who Acknowledge the Existence of the Creator of the Universe by budaatum: 11:53pm On Oct 06, 2017
I read this post about 5 times over twice as many days. It got a response from me at first read, flippant as it was, but I just keep coming back to it. I find it to be a very intelligently thought out post, even while expressing a position I doubt the poster agrees with. I would claim it comes from a highly developing mind

I hold you, KingEbukasBlog, in high esteem for this post. Thank you immensely for it.

KingEbukasBlog:
Exactly !!


Not exactly . grin . It just becomes a god to you since you deified it . Its pretty much it .



Well the praise , adoration and honour for being the reason why we or anything exists .

Well since you now deified your sandals , you can praise and honour them for protecting the soles of your feet from being injured by thorns .

Whatever a god does for you is divine . Something being divine means it comes from a deity . If you start hallucinating with your sandals on , you could say that have received a divine revelation from it if you think it came from it .

Your sandals giving you divine protection could be it protecting the soles of your feet from thorns like I said before .



I think I get what you mean . Glory has different meanings . The glory an atheist appreciates could be the beauty of the universe and the magnificence of its complexity .
Christianity Etc › Re: 22 Year Study States Atheism In A Mental Disease? by budaatum(op): 8:02pm On Oct 06, 2017
I protest strongly sir that none of your posted links, apart from the one I quoted from extensively, mention any study by anyone named Zimmerman at any university whatsoever!

The first link is the author's view. No investigation is mentioned. The second is a critique of Dawkins’ book, The God Delusion, of which the author states his opinion. While the third is at best an opinion (though not a considered one at all). None of them claim to be from a study nor do they present any evidence for their claims.

You will kindly forgive my pedantism. The science in your watch directs me to assume, correctly, hopefully,
that you may be scientific in your approach to evidence. A link to the study would suffice.

As to the Nazi HZ, it seemed to me the others I came across couldn't have cut the mustard. If I err do please correct me.


ScienceWatch:
Here are the links you requested. All the best !!

http://atheismexposed.tripod.com/atheists_mentally_ill.htm

http://www.bethinking.org/atheism/dawkins-delusions-faith-and-evidence

http://www.news24.com/MyNews24/Atheism-is-a-mental-illness-20120413

http://thedamienzone.com/2012/08/17/atheism-as-a-mental-disorder-or-illness-new-studies-say-yes/

I see you have deliberately chosen to throw off the investigation by only using Hans Zimmerman a Nazi Party leader Germany, 1940-41
to prove your point. You failed to add at least four other Hans Zimmerman's and there profiles.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Atheists Church by budaatum: 6:34pm On Oct 06, 2017
ScienceWatch:
Ok. I only got his name now. The guy in the video clip below is a Mafia hitman and strident Atheist. He is Bernito Gottie

He has not stopped laughing since he read the scientific publication that proved - ATHEISM IS A MENTAL DISEASE. His loving wife had Bernito admitted to a MENTAL ASYLUM. This video clip was taken by his wife with her Apple.
I most humble request references please.
Christianity Etc › Re: There Are Atheists Who Acknowledge the Existence of the Creator of the Universe by budaatum: 4:44pm On Oct 05, 2017
PastorAIO:
What about this scenario? Please, this requires imagination which is often quite difficult for NL-ers to exercise but if you can try I would really appreciate.

Imagine this:

That a god, let us say Yahweh, created the universe and ruled it for a little while, then somehow one day he loses his mojo. He can't do anymore miracles. Nothing he wills comes to pass. etc etc

Would he still be a deity?
He'll become like Zeus, Osiris etc, 'dead' gods. The logical conclusion of all gods.
Christianity Etc › Re: There Are Atheists Who Acknowledge the Existence of the Creator of the Universe by budaatum: 4:41pm On Oct 05, 2017
PastorAIO:
It is certainly an interesting question and one that has plagued christianity for centuries.

Many believed that Jesus became a deity at his baptism ( This is my beloved son with whom I'm well pleased).

Many believed that he became a deity at his resurrection.

7"I will surely tell of the decree of the LORD: He said to Me, 'You are My Son, Today I have begotten You

Then later came the idea that Jesus always existed as a deity and merely incarnated into flesh. This was the idea that won the battle in the Council of Nicea. ('Begotten not made, one substance with the father').

In the ancient world at that time the notion of a human being becoming a deity was extremely common. But what did they mean by it? Augustus Caesar was considered a deity. Ancient heroes like Achilles and Hercules were considered deities. etc etc


What did they mean when they said a person had become a deity? What do yoruba mean when they speak of someone that 'o ti di orisa'?

Before we can go around saying someone is a deity or has become a deity we need to know what we mean by deity. What has changed in the person that became a deity?
Nothing changed in the person who becomes a deity (or, orisa). It is the perceivers perception that changed. They hold the person in such high esteem that they elevate the person into the heavens.
Politics › Re: There Is No Need To Bring Diezani Back To Nigeria - AGF Malami by budaatum: 11:12pm On Oct 04, 2017
erico2k2:
speak of waht you know, her passport was not taken. angry
we always like to carry false news,9ja 4 U
[s]She's on bail. Passport confiscated. Can't leave country.[/s]

Correction
Alison-Madueke - who was briefly arrested in London in October 2015, although no charges were brought - has previously denied to Reuters any wrongdoing when questioned about missing public funds and corruption allegations.
Reuters APRIL 5, 2017
Politics › Re: There Is No Need To Bring Diezani Back To Nigeria - AGF Malami by budaatum:
nzgal:
Why must they send for her first sef, can she not come on her own?
[s]She's on bail. Passport confiscated. Can't leave country.[/s]

Correction
Alison-Madueke - who was briefly arrested in London in October 2015, although no charges were brought - has previously denied to Reuters any wrongdoing when questioned about missing public funds and corruption allegations.
Reuters APRIL 5, 2017
Christianity Etc › Re: Amazing: See Why The Best Religion In The World Rejected The Award by budaatum: 6:17pm On Oct 03, 2017
Did Buddhism win the best Religion of the world award?

There’s a rumor going about a lot of blogs that Buddhism wins the best religion of the world reward. Unfortunately it’s only blogs that are reporting this. No ordinary news sources, nor can I find the ‘Icarus’ foundation that is said to have given the award because:

“It wasn’t a surprise to me that Buddhism won Best Religion in the World, because we could find literally not one single instance of a war fought in the name of Buddhism, in contrast to every other religion that seems to keep a gun in the closet just in case God makes a mistake. We were hard pressed to even find a Buddhist that had ever been in an army. These people practice what they preach to an extent we simply could not document with any other spiritual tradition.”

While I am halfway to being a Buddhist, this just isn’t true. There are plenty of wars fought ‘in defense’ of Buddhism. Right now young Tibetans are defying the Dalai Lama and trying to get rid of the Chinese in their country for instance. While I fully sympathize with their plight, taking to arms just isn’t the same thing as nonviolence – and that’s what this online rumor does claim. So let’s go straight to the heart of this and quote what was standard reading material in a class on religion and violence I took a few years back:

… the history and teachings of Buddhism are not spotless. The great military conquests of the Sinhalese kingdoms in Sri Lanka, for instance, have been conducted in the name of the Buddhist tradition and often with the blessings of Buddhist monks. In Thailand the tradition called for those who rule by the sword as kings to first experience the discipline of Buddhist monastic training. They had to be “world renouncers” before they could be “world conquerors,” as the Harvard anthropologist Stanley Tambiah put it.

… Like Islam, the great expansion of Buddhism in various parts of the world has been credited in part to the support given it by victorious kings and military forces who have claimed to be fighting only to defend the faith against infidels and to establish a peaceful moral order. (p. 114, Terror in the Mind of God; the global rise of religious violence, Mark Juergensmeyer)

If you think Tibetan Buddhism is exempt – think again. Any history of the succession of the Dalai Lama’s (let’s go straight to the heart of the myth) shows them being killed off by courtiers one after another. A short summary of that is available here: Friendly Feudalism: The Tibet Myth. It’s a Western wish to see Tibetan Buddhism as peaceful, to ignore the less savory sides of it’s history. And of course Tibetans in exile have a steak in that myth, because it funds their various monasteries, schools, hospitals etc.

I know this is neither comforting, nor uplifting, but I do think that the truth is the only foundation for true spirituality. The fact is: no religion is a guarantee for peace. It’s what human beings do with it that determines the outcome.


Read More by Katinka Hesselink: http://www.allconsidering.com/2009/buddhism-best-religion-award/
Christianity Etc › Re: Created In God's Image And Likeness by budaatum: 6:39pm On Oct 02, 2017
I was considering starting a thread asking about the creation of God, but God in its infinitesimal wisdom made this thread appear so I'll add my 2pence.
Op, God is blessing you!


Gracelilian:
Please friends help me to understand the followings:
Question
1. What does it mean that humanity is created in the image of GOD?
By image, I'll assert we mean, How a thing appears to one, a sort of, 'What it looks like'. So, to be created in the image of God essentially means having the same character(istics), behaviour or nature.

Gracelilian:
2. What is the image of GOD?
God appears to many in different forms. To some its the Creator, to others the Father, to some a Spirit, a Cross, a Jesus, etc. But essentially, the Image of God is whatever one takes from ones religious book either in part, or, if possible, as a whole.

For those who read their Bible from start to the end as one should read a book, you'd note God's behaviour evolves all the way through so much like the historical behaviour of the human being to the extent that at one point God even sees the errors of its ways and changes behaviour and stops killing those who don't do its will but promises to forgive and forgive and forgive.

Gracelilian:
3. What does that have to do with our every day living?
We bloody atheists find it difficult to get this. Today we have quite a lot of information literally at our fingertips that we can't appreciate the significance of the appearance of the Bible in a time when the earth was dark and void. The God people also don't quite understand how big the bang would have been when 'light' became. But that's humans for you, constantly in a processes of becoming yet arguing they don't evolve.

The Image of God shows the course that humans follow such that someday, eventually, they would stop behaving like apes, put on some clothes and create a paradaisical existence where the lamb and lion will dwell in peace. As to how you should live depends on your evolutionary level of understanding and where you fit into the whole scheme of things, to borrow a phrase. You may be at stage 'child' of 'Thou shalt not', and go by that appetisingly named tree and not eat of it's fruit for fear you may die. Or you may grow up, eat the fruit and have your eyes opened so you can see!

I repeat, God blesses you op.
Christianity Etc › Re: Humanists And Freethinkers: What Are Your Thoughts On Abortion? by budaatum: 4:53pm On Oct 02, 2017
butterflyl1on:
And I would take it that your comment about me and saving you was also an off the cuff statement and a shadow without evidence.
I stand guilty as accused.
I am glad you don't mind me going to hell.
Christianity Etc › Re: Humanists And Freethinkers: What Are Your Thoughts On Abortion? by budaatum: 4:20pm On Oct 02, 2017
butterflyl1on:
Dude I do not even know you and neither do I think I have ever had a conversation with you so how then am I trying to save you?

Did I preach Jesus to you here?

You need to quit deluding yourself into thinking anyone is out to get you. Your hallucinations must be on fleek. You would do well by telling your shadow to quit looking over its shoulder.
At least I'm taken serious. Your comments are general. In as much as you've said it to one person you'd expect a response from anyone who cares to.

But like you said, you don't know me. So I'll take it your reference to hallucinating is an off the cuff statement - you know, a shadow without evidence.
Christianity Etc › Re: Humanists And Freethinkers: What Are Your Thoughts On Abortion? by budaatum: 8:41pm On Oct 01, 2017
butterflyl1on:
All you atheists make me laugh. You go around blaming God for deaths and here you all are advocating for deaths yourselves

Una no serious.
All butter's atheists cannot be blaming a non-existent god for deaths. Get your atheists right please. If I cut off my right hand and claim god done it tell me I am mad!

Honestly, I don't know what your problem is. If I abort festus, and if as you claim, God considers abortion of festus is a sin, then surely God would cast me in hell no? You need to stop trying to save me!
Christianity Etc › Re: Humanists And Freethinkers: What Are Your Thoughts On Abortion? by budaatum:
butterflyl1on:
Your worldview is speaking and mine is as well. Once a fetus is alive it is human! If a fetus has the same DNA as a full grown human then who can say it is not human? You?

Don't make me laugh please
Once a fetus is alive it is human? So it can live on its own, outside my body? Or am 2 people in one body?

If it is human in its own right then let it dwell outside my body in its own right. While it's in my body it's under my jurisdiction and killing it is no, different to cutting off my right hand. What's it to do with you, I laugh?

Thankfully, wiser people have resolved that my above thinking is time limited. What's to stop me aborting just one day before you're due to be born, would be the appropriate retort.
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Christains Want To Force Religion Down The Throat Of There Children by budaatum: 12:48pm On Oct 01, 2017
Why Do People Want To Force Their Ideology Down The Throat Of Their Children

The simple answer is, because they love their children, and their ideology is the best or only ideology they know, and they don't know better ways to induct their child into their ideology.

Say a parent believed becoming a doctor is the best thing for their child. At an early age, that parent would start preparing the child by making sure it learns the sciences. If the parent was of limited parenting skills, force is just about the only tool they'll know I'm afraid. "Sit down there are read your book child". After all, we all been there. Which one of us would rather study when we were kids? And whose parents let you decide whether you went to school or not? There are of course better ways, but even the Christian God was rather limited in how it reared early human beings. "Do my will or die", was its preferred method. There are more parents with limited skills than perfectly skilled parents. We excuse them because they know no better.

Same applies to religion. People love their ideologies, love their child, don't want it to go the wrong way (hell), and want it to live a prosperous life. I wish one could sit there with knowledge of all ideologies and trust one's child would chose the right path, but one has to feed the bloody child, house it, clothe it, educate it and so on. So forgive me if I don't have time or the skills to allow my child to flourish, or the stupidity to leave it to said child to chose whether it worships my God or not! "I don't have time for your devilness child, we are going to church". Do note that a Christian parent would have told their child to, "Honour me or die" from like age 2!

If the child is not indoctrinated into its parents ideology, the vacuum will be filled by other people's ideologies. Just imagine someone else convincing one's child that being an engineer, or an atheist, is a good thing just because one did not do one's parenting duty of shoving ones ideology down its throat when one could indoctrinate it to see things how one does! Non-indoctrinating Christian parent would say "God blesses you child". Non-parental indoctrinated Child responds "there is no God, parent". Or, Non-indoctrinating atheist parent says, "God is a figment of the imagination". Non-parental indoctrinated child responds, "God forgives you parent because you are a fool". Tell me you wouldn't consider taking said child to the bottom of the river and bashing its bastard head in?

Of course that's all because of my limitations as a parent. If I taught my child how to reason and question and search for knowledge instead of forcing my crap down my child's throat with no leave for it to question me, I'll probably have a better adjusted child albeit perhaps with a mind of its own. But hey, I'm only human myself. When it leaves my house it can go seek all the knowledge it wants. In the meantime, forgive me for forcing it to accept the little that I know and become a doctor!
Christianity Etc › Re: 22 Year Study States Atheism In A Mental Disease? by budaatum(op): 7:13pm On Sep 29, 2017
ScienceWatch:
Aaaah budaatum, I am not convinced that someone of your superior intelligence could not find a few links about this shocking scientific horror story that even shocked scientist and doctors.

There are reasons why I delay posting certain refs because I want to encourage the youth to do their own research. They will be challenged by much false propaganda and hard to find truth. Their world will always be like that, therefore only the determined mind will
get the prize. Truth is the hardest thing to deal with as you know.

The scientific research I referred to is very easy to find. When the youth Google to research this, they will find a rich mix of
of ideas so they can make up their own young minds.

I am hoping someone will research and post the link before I do.
My plan was to post it by end of next week.
I am afraid you give me way too much credit. All my research comes up dud so my intelligence may not live up to the high standard you think it does. I just can't seem to find anything about the research or the claims it is said to make. I did find this though:

Hatred of Atheists plummets to new depths of stupidity
The study was supposedly conducted by a Dr. Hans Zimmerman of the University of Hamburg, but a Google search revealed no-one by that name working at this institution.


I too checked and found no record of a Dr Hans Zimmerman at Hamburg University.

The author further claims A multi-language search for the good doctor did turn up a Hans Zimmerman. He was the Gauleiter of Franconia, Germany, 1940-41. A Nazi Party leader! Right up there with Joe Goebbels.

It is said that patience is a virtue. I'll acquire some and gladly wait till the end of next week for you to post those refs please.
Christianity Etc › Re: 22 Year Study States Atheism In A Mental Disease? by budaatum(op): 4:13pm On Sep 29, 2017
ScienceWatch:
When the horrific scientific findings was released the whole world was shocked.
The "horrific scientific findings" was not released anywhere that I have come across. You are still required to post your references please.
Christianity Etc › Re: 22 Year Study States Atheism In A Mental Disease? by budaatum(op): 1:52am On Sep 29, 2017
This article was published on [url]TheDamienZone.com[/url]
His disclaimer


TheDamienZone.com sometimes disguises names in its stories to protect identities of morons and their personal information — except in cases when public figures are being satirized, or when a story about a misquote attributed to any persons, living or dead, is being abused for comical purposes of self-promotion.   Any other use of real names in funny or obviously humorous articles is accidental and coincidental or simply because the writer is a nasty, foul-mouthed, intolerant GENIUS!  . The content of this web-site—graphics, text and other elements—is © Copyright 2010 by TheDamienZone.com and may not be reprinted or re-transmitted in whole or in part without the expressed written consent of the publisher.  We are REAL serious about that.
TheDamienZone.com is not intended for readers under 18 years of age because it is written by the meanest son of a bitch on the face of the earth.
Christianity Etc › Re: 22 Year Study States Atheism In A Mental Disease? by budaatum(op): 1:35am On Sep 29, 2017
This is from the comments section


Scott McGreal said at 4:27 am on August 22, 2012
Wow, 22 years of research and Dr Hans Zimmerman has yet to publish a single paper! Obviously, not a believer then in “publish or perish”, hmm? And what’s even more amazing is that “Damien” managed to stumble across unpublished research that no-one else has ever heard of that confirms his belief, stated on the homepage of this site, that “overt atheists” really are social misfits! Gee what are the odds of that??
Christianity Etc › 22 Year Study States Atheism In A Mental Disease? by budaatum(op):
ScienceWatch:
Is it not strange to see this sudden hesitant behavior of Atheists after the recent shocking scientific findings was released ?
The shocking findings of the 22yr study of Atheist state that - ATHEISM IS A MENTAL DISEASE.
You kept promising a link to this study but haven't posted one yet ScienceWatch, despite repeatedly reffering to it


New information from a 22-year old study at a German University has many psychiatrists and psychologists throughout the world wondering if atheism is a sign or warning of a more serious mental illness already present or in the process of developing.  Doctors are searching for a gene that might cause a correlation between serious mental illness and what they are calling “overt atheism.”
The study began based on a student’s observation about Catholic Saints and this motion picture—>: Deus ExMachina.
For the time being psychiatrists and research psychologists in Germany and Switzerland are calling this medical anomaly, “The Misfit Syndrome.”

More

Note that this is not the study but a reporting of it. I am certain ScienceWatch will post a link to the study when he is ready.

Christianity Etc › Re: A Thread For Christians - Let's Put Critical Thought To Shame by budaatum: 12:54am On Sep 29, 2017
SUPOL:
The carnal mind cannot understand the things of the Spirit because they are Spiritually discerned.
The Pharisees and Sadduces said that too. Then as is written, a Messiah came to explain saying, don't listen to those liars who give out stones instead of bread. Don't listen to those who save their lamb from drowning in a well on the Sabbath but condemn others when they save theirs. Don't listen to those who clean their hands on the outside but not the hearts inside, which are dirty as muck. And if you don't quite get it, he further said, I'll send you a thing called the Holy Spirit to further assist you. But I guess the response then as it is now was, "Crucify him! Crucify him! Crucify him!"

I put to you that accepting that certain things cannot be understood is, spiritually speaking, crucifixion of that Messiah and a waste of the blood it is said he shed for you. And is indicative of the non acceptance of 'Christ' in ones life.
Christianity Etc › Re: A Thread For Christians - Let's Put Critical Thought To Shame by budaatum: 4:49pm On Sep 27, 2017
sonofluc1fer:
grin

Are you new here? I confused you for Otem. Probably cos of the Atum.
Understandable. Atum was at the very beginning as Otem would tell you.
Christianity Etc › Re: A Thread For Christians - Let's Put Critical Thought To Shame by budaatum: 4:44pm On Sep 27, 2017
SUPOL:
You cannot fault d written holy Word of God. It senior u n ur father.
It is amazingly simple, it seems, to create Gods. The above is an example of the process which must be well studied and understood least one be led astray. It was written, made holy, then became the infallible Word of God. So let no one apply their critical faculties to its content therein but bow down and worship its holiness, is the implication.

A Trinitaranic Process of Deification, despite the long held adage not to mistake the moon for the finger pointing to it as exemplified in the first commandment.

I thank Eve. If she had not listened to the serpent and eaten of the Fruit of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil we'd steal be naked, and ignorant I guess. And don't go telling me that God as depicted in that story, did not lie. Adam and Eve did not die as It had promised they would (baring some linguistic acrobatics).

Please note, this is not intended as a response to the author. It is however an issue as it stunts the growth of the individual who accepts a thing to be true and infallible without proper scrutiny. But that is the way of humans. Nations that have abandoned the childish ways of understanding the Bible have learnt how to say, "And there was light". While those who worship their Bible are learning to say "Let there be light".
Christianity Etc › Re: No, The Muslim Jesus Is Not Even Close To The Jesus Of The Bible by budaatum:
lagostokd:
Your response is just stupidity and ignorance... Which book was written by God? Who were the original occupants of that land?
No book was written by God. Those from whom the Israelites took the land were the owners prior to it being taken from them.
Christianity Etc › Re: No, The Muslim Jesus Is Not Even Close To The Jesus Of The Bible by budaatum: 10:13pm On Sep 20, 2017
lagostokd:
Go back and answer the questions... I don't like people running away from questions
Then don't like me.
Christianity Etc › Re: No, The Muslim Jesus Is Not Even Close To The Jesus Of The Bible by budaatum: 1:20am On Sep 20, 2017
lagostokd:
Guy, address each of the points!

The fact still remains that Yahweh is not the same as Allah - they are enemies based on Allah's Jihad and "what happened to the inhabitants of the promised land" as you said
Stupid human beings. You write a book and claim your Gods wrote it. Then you fight and kill each other and claim your Gods done it!

Yahweh people, having wondered in the desert for a certain period, saw some nice juicy land and claimed their Yahweh promised it to them. Yahweh never bothered giving the original occupants notice to quit the land mind, and the rest is Biblical so to speak.

Forgive me if my response to your deceit is Jihad!
Christianity Etc › Re: No, The Muslim Jesus Is Not Even Close To The Jesus Of The Bible by budaatum: 1:05am On Sep 20, 2017
lagostokd:
Your answers will address your initial post
I fully understand my initial post and have no reason to further explain it to myself. Nor do I have to provide evidence to prove that that that is how I see it. If I were a Christian, say, would you ask me to present God so you can see what I see?

All the same, I'd advise you to go read the Quran and the Old Testament, they are talking about the same entity called God.
Christianity Etc › Re: Evolution by budaatum: 12:28pm On Sep 19, 2017
Cooop:
So if humans didn't descend from homo erectus, how did we emerge on this planet? Conventional western science certainly doesn't have an honest answer to this question and anyone who believes their answer is acting out of ignorance.
It's sad to say that the answer monotheistic religions give to this question, although not credible, is a lot more closer to the truth than that which science proposes.
Yep, God done it!

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