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bemeruca:
When education isn't the foundation of our society, problems increase, especially with so many ethnic groups involved.

Conflicts can easily arise too. There are many layers to this issue.

Yes, education. I'm certain you are aware of my atheism, yet you've seen me defend Islam, and hopefully Christianity. The reason is my awareness of those religions attempting to give humans common foundations. And while one wouldn't call religion education today, the mass education we do have today did evolve from mosques and churches.

Today, we have schools and the internet. But schools, not having the same curricula everywhere, and the vast diversity of books and the internet, we are bound to have different ideologies and perspectives on things. Still, we must overcome our differences and have regard for one another. (I say "regard" because 'love' sounds yukky in the context of you and I, lol). This overcoming is what has allowed non-predominant Muslim London to elect a Muslim Mayor thrice. We do not let our differences be the reason we cut off our own noses.

One can add to the conflict, Ben, like I claim the likes of Tommy does. Or one can be the salt of the earth. The choice is entirely ones.

citizenY:
Honestly, l suggest you should stop responding to this fellow. There are proper structures for a referendum in place.. viz... a legislature, a political platform, elections by way of voting, a consittuency.

Whatever he wants, a referendum or even two seats for Nigeria at the Ùnited Nations, can be done through his elected representative. If such is not done, blame him and his representative.

This coubtry is for all of us. Anybody who feels he is running faster should carrybon. We go meet for road when you taya..... and pass you. In short desperados are not welcome.

Except that my responses are not only for this fellow, I'd have gladly taken your very wise advice.

It compels your like to further educate him, and that is worth more than gold.

Freeze007:
Buda are you a spirit, was a few minutes reading about you, can we have a chitchat?

This is like asking if I am a bot, lol.

Seun specifically created Nairaland so we can chitchat with one another, so please be welcome.

ono:
It is because of all these complexities that I resigned to the belief approach to life. You’re not being lazy to not want to “go deeper”, you’re only acknowledging the limitations imposed on you by the system you were born into and the fact that there’s an inherent corruption that was “injected” into it that you’d do well to steer clear of.

I am your exact opposite, ono. The complexities make me work harder and ask and knock and seek with all my heart and soul and mind and means and body and time. And it includes overcoming my limitations as much as I possibly can. For being perfect (not that I am close, mind), is how a very wise person once told me is how to glorify the Father, if I so desire to that is. And not trying is like offering one's god Cain's offering and being displeased that God prefers that of Abel.

I do not merely accept the system I am born into, ono. I study the system and other systems so I can choose what system I live in and by or how I may change the system to however I want it to be.

It might be because I do not accept the system of Adam, and would rather choose that of God's Image. And would do an Eve to get it if I must.

ono:
In the end, at the very least, we all agree that we didn’t just fall from the sky. A male gender and female gender did copulate to bring us into this world. Science is still trying to figure out how “life” is given and why they can’t prevent death from happening.

My lovely mummy and daddy copulated and produced buda.

And as is said, valar morghulis.

DeepSight:
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Haven't really seen any embarrassment

That might be because you are not looking through his lens, and are looking through your own eyes and therefore see different.

Einstein's General Theory of Relativity, is lens forming. Those not aware might think we all must see the same things, and we become displeased when others do not see how one sees. Such do not understand that we fly with what we consume, a la, we reason how we are conditioned to reason, and see through the lenses we place in front of our eyes. Essentially, different lenses, different perceptions. But some will claim their sight (opinion, view, ideology, gods etc) is the only valid one.

bemeruca:
Mere ideological difference is not conflict.

Conflict is disagreement + antagonism, especially where there is intent to harm, suppress, or act against the other party.

So, disagreement is normal, like you said, we can agree to disagree and still remain civil.

I totally agree! And with much civility.

Freeze007:
I would marry you but I need a job to be able to take responsibility

buda does not respond to pms. They can be emailed at gmail.

bemeruca:
We can, some of us like me are aware but unfortunately, humans will always see themselves as different. I am being called a House neeg for saying I see white people as people not white. That is proving my point. I always complain about the US vs them mentality on this thread.

So you know what I mean. I am not saying brothers don't fight and all those things. But when two people who have never seen each other before, interacted before are fighting because of their identity, you know what I mean. This is why I said your siblings argument does not make sense.

It's not like you are likely to turn blue or I go red all of a sudden, but we can be ideologically different and still agree to disagree with civility.

It takes brain power, I admit. The question is, do you and I have such powers, or wish to cultivate it?

DeepSight:
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It's very rare for a Nairalanders gender to become an issue on this board. The only other person I can remember in similar terms was a poster called pilgrim1 who many alleged was viaro. Okay there was also one mavenbox/inesqor. Many years ago.

Personally I think you are the one making it an issue especially with statements such as saying you go by "they/them." We are not unenlightened, everyone knows what that suggests.

I can live with whatever it suggests, deepsight. And to be sincere, I love the mystique too. Just see the attention your thread has generated already, lol. The fact I can be here as long as I have and most still wonder is kind of an achievement. And amusing when those who get my gender wrong claim to know whatever about me.

DeepSight:
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I was rather hoping you would comment on the truth of their teachings. I found a lot of truth in the teachings of the Rosicrucian Order and even in those of Eckankar.

Oh. Truth, lol. Okay, let me try.

Everything written in The Mystical Life of Jesus, is uncorroborated and is likely to be untrue, while everything written in Mental Alchemy can be made to be true or not.

You asked about spirituality earlier, and this is sort of where it applies. It necessitates not seeing things as dichotomic.

DeepSight:
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What do you mean by the bold. Are you saying that core Buddhism is closest to your belief system, coupled with the essentials of most religions splashed with philosophy?

You do keep insisting on this "belief" thing, lol.

My buddhism, Zen, to be specific, is not a belief system, but more of a philosophy. As in, a lens that one sees through. One does not carry the boat along the journey after a river is crossed. You leave the boat and walk.

Basically, the cause of my own dhukka is my own tanha. And the solution to my tanha is the Eight Fold Path. It makes me responsible for myself.

DeepSight:
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So you really think the physical body is all there is to us? That would be odd for one given to so much mysticism.

No sir, I do not "really think the physical body is all there is to us". I am not currently engaging with your physical body, I am engaging with your mind. When I die though, my mind will die with me. But please know that sneaky me is ensuring I live on after I die. I'll tell you how only if you ask.

DeepSight:
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How could you have interacted with me so long on this board and make this disastrous presumption? Of course not, and I do not think of those entities as God. Though I do not begrudge those who have the creator in mind when they speak those names.

Sincerely speaking, I don't think we have interacted as much as you think. Or shall I say, not as deep. And I mentioned those specific gods more for the response.

God, in any form, and as far as I am concerned, is a gap filler. Those willing to know will seek more instead of filling the gap with gods and no more seeking.

My insistence on writing "god" is so only God is not assumed.

DeepSight:
I am asking you about a necessary uncaused cause of all other existence.

Even gods must have causes, unless one wants to claim gods are uncaused, which in my view invalidates the idea of an uncaused cause of anything.

Ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtles_all_the_way_down

Please know that language is an imperfect medium to put these things across. In Zen we'd ask if you can hear me clapping with one hand. I appreciate that your questions make me struggle.

bemeruca:
Well, the fact that human beings don't see themselves as one is a thing. Today there is religious conflict, Gender conflict, political conflict etc.

I'd love if we could see ourselves as one but that's not how things are.

We can learn ben. You and I can learn to see each other as human beings and treat each other with regard and respect despite our differences.

Care to try from now on?

bemeruca:
I am not advocating for anything. I said I wish we did not have all these ethnicities, that's all. That there are so much conflicts because we don't see each other as one.

You already agree with this. So you can argue with yourself

Your wishing is advocacy.

You do not need to eliminate "all these ethnicities" before human beings see themselves as one. You just need to educate people to see each other as one.

It is what Jesus is trying to teach you when he commands you to love your neighbours. He did not only mean those living next door to you, but those in the neighbouring villages and countries too. Today, technology makes every human on earth your neighbour, whom you should learn to love instead of letting the likes of Tommy teach you to hate.

bemeruca:
There were 4 people on earth when the first murder happened. That they cannot peacefully coexist is why they are stewpeed.

There was never 4 people on earth ben. But yes, stewpidity is the reason humans do not learn to coexist.

bemeruca:
It is human nature, it's not whether we are stewpeed or not.

Actually, it is learned behaviour. And you can easily go to school to learn not to be stewpid too.

We teach it in schools here in UK, though some, like Tommy, still refuse to learn.

bemeruca:
You are agreeing with what I am saying but still pretending I am saying something wrong.

No Ben, I am not agreeing with what you are saying, and what you are advocating for in your saying is stewpid and impossible to implement since you can not limit the movement of people with different ethnicities.

The below is to stimulate you to research the early mixing of humans and their multiculture, and to dispute your 4 people in the world!

meobizy:
In the video, they are saying “ole.” The same children on Seun’s Nairaland who laugh when petty robbers are brutalized will come here to foam at the mouth.

U guess these children are learning the jungle justice they learn from their parents.

They'll pay for it when caught.

bemeruca:
The fact that the zulus and Igbos are not one in SA means they are being stewpeed. The kind of arguments you make sometimes. We humans have issues, that's my point.

There is no way I can convince you that it is your own misunderstanding that is the "kind of", and that is to be expected since you do not wish to be dominated by me.

It is not that "zulus and Igbos are not one in SA" that makes them stewpid. The fact they can not peacefully coexist (if they can not, that it), is what makes them stewpid.

If they were not stewpid they'd learn to coexist even if they disagree. It's what democracy was created to enable, note.

bemeruca:
One culture wants to dominate another in a multicultural environment.

This need to dominate another is what makes them stewpid. And thankfully, they will learn to coexist or annihilate each other.

Think Europe. They used to fight wars of dominance, but have now wisely evolved into a peaceful union.

bemeruca:
If you dont have anything to say how about you keep quiet?

Ben, why are you trying to dominate me to keep quiet? I obviously have a lot to say and I am saying it.

Better is you dominating yourself and not engage me instead of trying to dominate me, which you can never ever do.

DeepSight:
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Is there any particular reason then that you are keeping it some sort of secret. Because I have come across this question from time to time where people insist you are a woman whereas I always imagined you male.

Not that it's an issue, but it's good to be clear.

My gender is really irrelevant to whatever I have to say, and I don't want it to be focussed on and what I have to say be missed.

I like your imagination, note.

DeepSight:
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Now a while ago triplechoice had made a thread making issues about this. Not sure how that ended. But pray tell, since you appear well schooled in the doctrines of AMORC, what is your impression of their teachings.

I ask because I was once very close to signing up with them in my youth.

My father spent a lot of money on Rosicrucian, and my mother is displeased because of it. I don't feel he derived much from it neither, as he got lost in the mystical aspect and missed the understanding.

I love their books though, as they are food for the mind, as in they make one wonder. But then you must have gathered that atheist me loves my Bible too, and my Quran and Aesop and books in general. Sadly, I can't read as much as I used to for some reason.

DeepSight:
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What does wakefulness in this regard mean to you and do you think there is spirituality to life.

Wakefulness to me means having an understanding of how the world works. I'm not claiming I know it all, but I'd like to hope I'm not sleeping through life.

You can read what I say literally, or you might understand the spirit of what I write. That's not to say I'm placing the two as opposites, but just a crude juxtaposition. It's more to do with understanding and how one perceives life.

I could argue that I aim to have a "personal sense of connecting with something larger than oneself (that could be you, note), focusing on meaning, purpose, and inner awareness rather than strictly organized religion", since it "involves exploring deep questions about life, self-awareness, and a, "relational consciousness" with oneself, others, and the universe, often fostering peace, compassion, and well-being", which are all things that interest and concern me.

My understanding of religious texts has been described as spiritual by some and devil worship by many. It is an integral core of Buddhism and most religions, and is even in philosophies, if one perceives that way.

DeepSight:
Do you believe in life after death and a soul as distinct from the body.

First, "believe" means (to me), I don't know and have chosen to accept as true things I have no evidence for and likely have evidence against (since I will seek).

Fortunately, I have seen many die, by virtue of my connection to hospitals and the fact I know lots of old people. Everyone I know who has died has been put in a box and buried in the ground or been cremated, and none of them have lived after dying, so I see no reason to create crap in my own head and then believe in the crap I create in my head.

No, I do not believe people or their souls live after they have died. That said, I do often have long live seeming discussions with a friend of mine who is long dead. They often start as dreams, and have sometimes continued after I have fully woken up. We lived together for years and are immensely missed by me. Our discussions seem like they live, though I know they do not.

DeepSight:
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What stops you from seeing that ultimate cause as God.

By God, I presume you mean Yahweh (Allah).

The evidence stops me. Evidence like, why didn't you ask me what stops me seeing that the ultimate cause is Obatala, or Brahma (Hinduism), or Ra and Atum (Egypt), or Izanagi and Izanami (Japan), or Gaia (Greece), or Pangu (China) etc etc etc? They after all all are written to have been the ultimate cause by those in those places, and each of them was an ultimate cause in their own different ways, which is not possible if we are talking of the ultimate cause of this same one universe.

Education and knowledge, is the answer. I know better.

CLOUDRepublic:
Iran population is about 97 million
Nigeria's population is above 230 million

97+97= 194 so double of Iran still can't match with Nigeria in population

I really wish Nigeria population can lead to creative intelligent growth. Unfortunately the brain needs good food most especially protein and fats.... And that's not so affordable here in the country

Actually, what you need is education, like what is being provided in this thread. Once you educate yourself, you'd know how to provide protein and fat with your own brow instead of blaming others for you starving.

So, please learn!

bemeruca:
Your village people are neighbours indicates two identities. They are fighting because they are not one 😂

This is not hard.

Your siblings analogy no make sense.

They are so close to one another is the point. And they are not one because they are being stupïd. And the fact that siblings of the same parents may fight and kill each other disproves your point, since two people can not identify closer than siblings.

You and I fighting is not because we are multicultural or multireasoning, but because one wants to dominate the other. Or would you claim you and I can not have our separate multireasonings and not fight? Must you agree with me ben, for there to be peace? And pray tell how I am supposed to make you agree with me please.

bemeruca:
If you dont see it is your problem, the people that were gunned down yesterday died because they are not fulanis.

Facts don't care about your opinions. Your village people fighting is a proof of what I am saying.

My village people fighting our neighbours actually disproves what you are saying, but that's to be expected since you do not know how close to each other and integrated each village is.

Siblings who grow up in one home with the same culture killing each other easily disproves what you insist on believing. And you can't make people who live in the same house identify as same, much less neighbours, or those on the same street or even in the same town, so I'd like to see how you would eliminate diversity.

Besides, it's been tried and has failed. Below is but one example.
https://www.londonmuseum.org.uk/collections/london-stories/gordon-riots-revolution-in-the-making/

esnbrutality:
The dot doesn't need the circle...the dot creates the circle.

In a bid to banter..uou just exposed yourself.
Go sleep abeg

The circle needs the dot! The circle will resist the dot trying to abandoned it because the circle can't exist without the dot.

Please stay awake. You'd eventually understand.

esnbrutality:
The dot ...is so significant that anything written in your life starts and ends with a DOT.

Even the circumference, radius, diameter of a circle starts from a dot.

Ignorance is Bliss

I am pleased you understand the importance of the dot and why the circle needs it.

bemeruca:
I am telling why you see so much conflicts in Nigeria today. Why is that hard to understand?

You are not "telling", ben. You are merely staring your opinion why you think you "see so much conflicts in Nigeria today". And I am not agreeing with you since your opinion is not valid.

Why is that hard for you to understand?

DeepSight:
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Ignore him. If he was serious the slightest review of any of the profiles or posts of the discussants here would sort him out.

I am going to take this your advice. He's just being a nuisance.

bemeruca:
Not the same village abi?
So it's different identities which is why they are fighting against one another.

There is probably a king in both villages.

That's not my argument. I am telling you people always identify themselves with sex, race, language etc. It's human nature and as a result we fight.

So, you want everyone to be in the same village and under one king, and then there will be no fighting?

Do you want the entire world to be one country ruled by one king too like China?

I do wonder how you'd explain USA that has one ruler and yet we are here fighting.

Glad you recognise however, that "people always identify themselves with sex, race, language etc". Add different location, and education too, and you might understand that identity is not so much a self thing but is imposed on one. I wouldn't identify as Nigerian if my parents were Ghanaian. And I wouldn't identify as British if I were born in Kumasi.

I like the way the Quran explains what your diversity should compel you to do. Jesus Christ taught the same thing with this parable, though the different identities elude most.

Whois:
At 14 years he has given up hope in his country . Thanks to bad governance

The image you posted points more to bad non-voters than anything.

davidaluu:
yeah, I mean it's my first game and just made it like yesterday. Might add some features later, got any suggestions?

It isn't really my sort of game, so no, I have no suggestions. You keep going though please, and you might someday create the kind of game I play.

Know that I admire your effort. I can not create what you have created.

bemeruca:
My point is, once you can't distinguish people into sex, tribes, race etc. You will always get conflicts based on identity.

The identities in Nigeria are just too much.

Ifon Osun and Orolu are neighbouring villages of the same descent and culture, and they are killing each other. And even siblings born of the same parent have been known to kill each other too.

Is it your argument that people should be the same sex and tribe and race etc, and identity, there will be no conflict?

In fact, do you want everyone to identify as bemeruca, or do you just not know what identity is?

ono:
You are either deliberately twisting God's Word or you are ignorant of the fact that this exact same tactics you've deployed here now (bits and pieces of God's words and commands strewn to confuse the gullible) is what Satan used in the Garden of Eden to deceive Eve.

Yield to the Lord's calling budaatum dear. He will lead you aright and set you free.

Was Eve deceived? Yes, likely by Adam, since no God told Eve she'd die if she ate a fruit that we read Adam was told not to eat.

But I guess your satan would wait for a Garden, and wouldn't start deceiving you by meddling with the book you read and your ability to comprehend what you read, or you'd be asking yourself why God would create humans in his image, and then create slavish îgnorant Adam from mud.

I have a question for you. On what day was Adam created?

bemeruca:
60% of our issues would have been solved if we are a one or two tribe nation.

You delude yourself much.

The Orolu Kingdom of Ifon Osun and Ilobu Osun are one tribe killing each other, and siblings of the same parents have been known to war too.

SpencerForbes:
Anytime this your Rosicrucian/Rossí religion starts losing steam, you quickly cook up one controversial 'Life of Budaatum' episode to revive it.

Are you disregarding the fact that you are the one who resurrected "your Rosicrucian/Rossí religion" here Spencer?

I have the feeling Deepsight was not even aware of that thread until you resurrected it here, but I'll let him tell you himself.

ono:
Of course I get this. Let me share with you another one.

1 Corinthians 6:3 (KJV)
Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

Do you know what it takes to judge angels? You have to have Godlike characters to get to that level.

This is why I am inviting you to a higher pedestal of that knowledge that you seek, available by simply submitting to Him who is the source of all knowledge. It is that easy. Rosicrucian, Eckankar and the likes only serves to confuse you the more and subject you to eternal damnation and hell. They profit nothing.

The "Godlike characters" you think one must have is actually a god like understanding. And that you get by learning as much as you can.

It's in fact taught in the first chapter of your god book, when it is written that you were created in God's image, and should "Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth" and be blessed, which you can only do if you were given and have received "every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat".

But I bet you are more like Adam, created from mud, "But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die". And that's why you are naked and iggy like Adam, and are refusing to be saved from slavery by sense using Eve.

Ref: https://www.nairaland.com/6795272/reeves-pass

So, basically, just keep clicking shoot?

Nice attempt.