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ijebosb:
My point being, I think Democrats in power can do more so that isn't the option. I think using the powers the constitution gives them is preferable to violence. Right?

Tell me what you think Democrats should do.

ijebosb:
You are arguing your own argument. I never said Congress can dictate how they rule, but the structure and jurisdiction.

You words were, "what cases it takes, is controlled by Congress". And that is not what I find to be true.

ijebosb:
So, why do we care what they think over protecting the rights of vulnerable communities, like women?

We care so that we can counter them with evidence and facts as we do here everyday. But I guess you think we are ineffective because some maga noisemakers deafen you, right?

You don't acknowledge the hundreds of people who read this thread daily and don't bother to post in agreement with us. O ye of little faith!

ijebosb:
How did that change his behavior?

It doesn't have to. We the people will change his behaviour for him by not electing him.

Judge Merchan not jailing dump is a good move. In fact, I'd be surprised if Merchan jails dump on sentencing, and I'd be even more surprised if Merchan jails dump and Biden does not have him released within 24 hours because it's the smart thing to do.

When they go low I would rather we go very much higher, is the difference here.

gidgiddy:
Nigeria is nothing but a 1914 British colonial project. The British created a country and lumped us all in there without anyones consent. Even the name "Nigeria" was created in London by a white woman

Scotland has Been part of Britain for over 300 years, but Scotland was given referendum in 2013 for them to decide if they wanted to carry on with Britain, or go their way as an independent country. That is civilisation, not the "one Nigeria by force" mentality some of you have.

It is shameful for us as Africans that the white man will come from Europe to decide for us what our country will be, and give us a colonial name Nigeria, and we still running with this to this day when we should use referendum to decide our countries and names

Truly shameful

No union that is forced will ever be a happy one, and it's one of the reasons Nigeria has never worked . Unity must come from the heart, or it becomes a prison

Yeah. White man did you. Shame.

Gbadugbakun:
From 1970 till 1999. How many strategic positions did Igbos hold?

I am very certain Igbos have held more than one, you'd find if you do your own research.

tctrills:
Let's hold on to your definition. This means every coup is in fact a revolution.

No it does not mean that! A coup is not an uprising of the common citizens of a nation.

tctrills:
Could you and I together look back for just the last 100 years. You point out all the good revolutions and I will point out those with negative consequences.
How about that?

That would be rather pointless since you don't seem to know what a revolution is or even what can be accepted as positive or negative consequences. All the same, I present intelligent use her mind Eve revolting against the ignorant rubbish stupid Adam told her.

Not many would settle for their current oppression for fear that revolting against it would be worse for them. Some of us would rather die free people than live as slaves.

Gbadugbakun:
So if Igbos haven't held any strategic position since after the war, .

I am not buying this unless you want to claim a minister is not strategic enough.

President Tinubu nominated 48 candidates for ministerial positions and they have all been screened by the Senate. The five nominees from the South-East include Nkiru Onyejiocha (Abia), Uju Ohaneye (Anambra), Dave Umahi (Ebonyi), Uche Nnaji (Enugu) and Doris Uzoka (Imo).

https://nairametrics.com/2023/08/17/here-are-tinubus-ministers-from-the-south-east-and-their-portfolio/

Gbadugbakun:
As for governors, I can tell you that aside Kano and Kaduna no core northern state can match any eastern state.

Like you told me "Igbos haven't held any strategic position since after the war"?

Please don't discredit your argument with dishonesty. It ruins the intelligence in our conversation.

mrvitalis:
Yes proposed igbos be given referendum to determine if they want to remain in nigeria or not

That would be illegal, and the proposer should definitely be arrested because they have no constitutional grounds for proposing holding a referendum. And that's apart from the fact that we don't need to give Igbos a referendum to know the majority would rather leave Nigeria.

Now, if a senator or rep were to propose it, that would be a different case, though I doubt it could get enough traction for a reading in either house. In fact, I doubt that person would have support in any party.

Gbadugbakun:
How many Igbos have ruled nigeria since after the civil war?

None. Nigeria hasn't gotten over the fear of an Igbo president proposing Biafra, unfortunately, despite my Obidience.

But see as we de suffer. One day, an Igbo person might show us they have credible solutions by first developing their Igbo state, and then we Nigerians would be begging that person to please do the same for Nigeria.

Gbadugbakun:
Those ruling us weren't they the same people who prevented the secession of Biafra? So can we say that the north doesn't want Nigeria to work according to your analogy?

Biafra is tribal to the Igbos just as Islam is religious to the North.

Both sides want to destroy the Nigeria we currently have so they can impose their desires on it, is my view. Thankfully, they will both fail.

gidgiddy:
And that is why we should have conducted a referendum a long time ago so that those who believe in Nigeria can continue, and those who do not can exit

At the end of the day, we are just people the British forced into an unholy union. We do not have to be together just because of that

A referendum does not work as you describe, "that those who believe in Nigeria can continue, and those who do not can exit". The way it works is the idea with a majority dictates what happens and everyone gets to live with it. Referendums are however not the best way to run a nation, and that's why most countries don't have them.

As for British forced you into it, so? Britain itself was forced into being a nation so nothing new there. Point is, since then we've become more integrated such that separation is like on to conjoined twins who share one heart and one kidney. You must kill one for the other to survive, and we are not that stupid (or knowledgeable or selfish) enough to try that yet.

advanceDNA:
U too like vawulence......

Small thing....u don carry RPG come knife fight

I am only helping distressed sell market.

I know that by dancing naked (posting) in his shop more people would come in to see what he is selling. After all, see as you follow me come enter now.

ijebosb:
Again voting doesn't change what ails our country.

"Whenever the people are well informed, they can be trusted with their own government; that whenever things get so far wrong as to attract their notice, they may be relied on to set them to rights."
Thomas Jefferson to Richard Price, January 8, 1789

I think you don't have faith that the majority are well informed, and you seem to think the maga rubbish you read on here is what the majority of Americans believe. Sorry, but I don't share that view, and think you are buying into their noise.

There is no way the majority of Americans buy the magashit dump peddles. That was proven at the last election where he lost, and I hope it's proved at the next election when he loses again.

ijebosb:
What does this even mean? Their edicts are law. They can be ridiculed but so what? And how will they be sidelined?

I guess you haven't heard of people revolting.

Perhaps imagine if the supreme court were to rule slavery of black people was legal, and then consider what might happen.

ijebosb:
Congress can't dictate how they rule, but they can dictate the structure of the court and it's jurisdiction outside of a few cases outlined in the constitution.
Here is a good article:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/about-the-white-house/our-government/the-judicial-branch/

So, Congress can't dictate how they rule nor what cases they take on, just as I thought.

I so love the fact that Biden has left the Supreme Court alone and not padded it with liberals, which he might do in his second term. You already got magas lying that he weaponised the DOJ, so imagine what they'd say if he weaponised the SC, and how many Americans might believe it too.

I don't believe you are distressed enough.

A distressed seller will sweep the outside of their shop and hire naked people to dance outside to entice people in or at least display images of what they distressfully want to sell.

I think it's called marketing.

ijebosb:
And the lies and misinformation work. Which is going to be harder to get a handle on unless Dems and the Media understand they just can't hope people figure it out. You see the lies posted even on this thread time in and time out.

Here is a good point.


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/may/22/poll-economy-recession-biden

A good point based on polls?

Sorry, but I'd rather wait until elections where people actually vote.

ijebosb:
It's not even about going lower. It's using the power they have. Congress controls the contours of the Supreme Court. The only thing the Constitution requires is a Supreme Court, how it operates, it's size, what cases it takes, is controlled by Congress. How many hearings have the Democratically controlled Senate had on it? 0. They are so weak, that Leonard Leo, a private citizen can tell them to pound sand when they send hima subpoena.

If Trump loses it will be proven his path is ineffective to win a national election. But he still raised a ton of money. So, his path is effective at raising money and making yourself rich. So, being most Republicans are grifters (Ted Cruz, a US senator has a full time podcast), they care more about money and maintain power than policy and winning elections outside of their own.

The supreme court will sort itself out in due time. They can choose to drag themselves in the mud and be ridiculed and sidelined or serve justice. Their choice.

So, dump wins in the money stakes but not in policies? I can gladly live with that since their money does not pass legislation. Besides, they do illegal stuff to get that money, and the law would be on their case to help them spend it eventually, so what exactly is it that they gain in the end?

I do not accept that "Congress controls the contours of the Supreme Court .... what cases it takes, is controlled by Congress". You are going to need to educate me how Congress controls the supreme court please, so I can understand why Congress did not dictate re Roe v Wade.

gidgiddy:
There are memorials for Biafra, but none by the government

Thank you. I don't expect them to forget.

gidgiddy:
In reality, Biafra was a fight for freedom from a Nigeria that Igbos and some other tribes knew would never work

Time has since proved them right

There's no way they knew Nigeria wouldn't work, and I'm more likely to believe some have done everything to make sure Nigeria doesn't work to justify their beliefs.

If I wanted Biafra, everything I do in Nigeria would be to make Nigeria fail, from collecting bribes to look the other way to selling cars with no engines to Nigerians and even not paying my rent to my Lagos landlord. That's how I'd justify my Biafra.

mrvitalis:
What if I show u proof an Igbo man has done that years ago but was greeted by DSS intimidation... What would u do

Done what exactly? Proposed a Biafra bill in my National Assembly, or set up remembrance for dead Igbos?

Either way, I wouldn't be surprised. Whatever the Igbo man did would have emphasised the deaths of Igbos, and not what the federal government wants, and Nigeria does not need anything done that forments more tribal hatred than we already have.

ijebosb:
Disagree. Trump has shown a new path that works and is effective.

Democrats, I'm pleased to notice, do not play who can go lower. Instead they go higher and win because they can see that if going lower doesn't work for dump it likely wouldn't work for them.

If dump loses the next election, he would have proven to me and most that his so called new path is ineffective and did not work, and my hope is that they keep going down that ineffective path that doesn't work so they can keep losing.

Acting a witch in a play is proof to him that she is a witch? Like if she had acted a billionaire would he help her spend the money?

His narrow thinking is definitely evidence that he is small minded and she could do better.

ijebosb:
I don't believe the Dems are strong enough to counter it.

Poor you then. I do believe and hope the Dems are strong enough to win the next election. Once they do, dump and his maganess is countered and dead, just like the Tea Party before it and McCarthyism before that and Jim Crow and slavery etc.

ijebosb:
Trump has effectively destroyed Trust in the Media, US law enforcement, the Presidency, and now the courts.

When Biden wins, Americans, in the majority, are stating that whatever destruction dump tried effectively failed!

mrvitalis:
[b]Anyone who don't regret keeping Nigeria one with all the obvious reality is a Fool

People are in your national Assembly chambers debating why a primitive set u share a country with value Cows over your life for heavens sake

Biafra would have never been perfect because Ojukwu contacted the Awolowo socialism virus but surely would have been better than nigeria /b]

Are there no Biafrans in my so called National Assembly, or is it that they too value cow over life and can not present any bills worth discussing?

Sorry, but I don't regret keeping Nigeria one. If Nigeria had split, you'd still be killing each other, unless by splitting you mean Biafra relocates itself far away from the rest of Nigeria, like to Rwanda area if they'd have you.

Or don't you just understand what you found?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peanut

Is there no memorial in Biafra land, or is Kogbara asking the federal government, whom he himself called "the enemy", to remember them?

The Hutu/Tutsi war was stopped by a neutral body, so the memorial is for both sides, which I doubt is what he's asking for. While the German remembrance of their massacre of the Jews, which he hasn't seen nor mentioned, is in remorseful regret, which the Federal Government doesn't have for keeping Nigeria whole.

Obrigardo:
One of the most underated reporting right now is the sheer amount and droves of real voters peeling away from convicted felon trump.

This election will be historic and will Mark the worst loss of any republican presidential candidate.

The maga cult and the dumbest RNC in a generation are being haughty and stubborn as ever. They are relying on their own alternative facts and disputing or outright shunning the negative influence of a felon on the electorate.

Just take a look at all the loses of maga candidates in the primaries, but they are too stubborn to see their own Downfall in real time.

I can't wait.

Looking just at contests deemed competitive by the NBC News political unit, based on political dynamics of those races and ad spending, 46 of Trump’s candidates won, and 33 lost. Of the 33 who lost, 32 of them echoed Trump’s false claims that the 2020 election was stolen.
https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/meetthepressblog/numbers-trump-backed-candidates-fared-midterms-rcna61524

tctrills:
Martin Luther king Jr did not revolt sir. Even if I don't know the meaning of revolution as you claim, we can always look into a dictionary.
They did not revolt against the status quo. They used other means of change.
Again, elections and revolution are not the same thing.
Please let's base our discussion on the dictionary. No need to extend the meaning of revolution or to revolt. Martin Luther king Jr never revolted against the American government.

A dictionary will not sufficiently educate you. Please read.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution

The Glorious Revolution is the sequence of events that led to the deposition of James II and VII in November 1688. He was replaced by his daughter Mary II and her Dutch husband, William III of Orange, who was also his nephew. The two ruled as joint monarchs of England, Scotland, and Ireland until Mary's death in 1694. The Revolution itself was relatively bloodless, but pro-Stuart revolts between 1689 and 1746 caused significant casualties, while the political movement known as Jacobitism persisted into the late 18th century. William's invasion was the last successful invasion of England.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glorious_Revolution

tctrills:
Nice philosophy but I don't believe in doing things that don't work.

I guess you wouldn't do anything then, since you have no guarantee anything you do will work until you do the thing and find out.

tctrills:
According to you, man should revolt against his God. But I ask, to what point?

The wise Igbos will tell you that if they say yes and their Chi does not say yes with them, they will get another Chi.

No, I am not telling you to revolt against your God. What I am telling you is that no god should threaten you with death if you nourish yourself with knowledge, and any god who tells you to remain naked and enslaved and ignorant should be revolted against.

Go study Jesus Christ. His entire teachings can be summed up as "eat the fruits of knowledge so that you can free yourself". Unfortunately, most listen to their pastors instead who enslave you into tithing.

tctrills:
There are better ways to improve society, ways that actually work. There is no science behind a revolution. It's just a careless act with an undetermined outcome.
Mary Slessor did not stop the killing of twins via revolution.
Martin Luther king Jr did not lead a revolution.
Apartheid in South Africa did not end because of revolution.
Slavery was not abolished via revolution.

You obviously don't know what a revolution is, and likely think it means fighting and killing, despite telling you that democracy is a peaceful way of revolting that was introduced to avoid revolting by fighting and killing.

Take Martin Luther King Jr, and Gandhi. What they did was precisely a peaceful revolution against the status quo, which did result in positive change. And Apartheid would not have ended if the entire world had not joined in to revolt against white minority rule.

tctrills:
The British freely gave us our independence. We had zero means of obtaining our independence from them.

Are you for real, or is it that you don't know your history?

Even after we revolted and gained our independence in 1960, they still had control of us and our resources until we revolted again by introducing our Nigerian Enterprises Promotion Decree 1972 as amended in 1977, which finally freed us from them.

tctrills:
As for June 12 1993, it was an election not revolution. Big difference.

Yep. You definitely don't know any history at all, which is a great pity.

https://saharareporters.com/2013/06/12/nigeria-six-year-revolution-june-12-significance-and-lessons-working-class

tctrills:
So the Nigerian independence was not a product of revolution. It just happened with the change in times. And it led to a very corrupt democracy that ultimately ended up in 2 coups and a civil war that millions were killed.
Please sight a better example.
And there had never been a Nigerian revolution against military rule.

Nigerian independence was precisely a revolution against the British master, and June 12 was indeed a revolution against military rule, but if you don't think we are better off ruling ourselves and our democracy despite current hunger, then all I can suggest is you go fill the gaps in your history.

As Samuel Sharpe once said when he revolted, “I would rather die upon yonder gallows than live in slavery".

tctrills:
Yes and like Eve, we continue to revolt against God each time we sin. Not really a good thing.
Bro, revolutions bring negative outcomes nine times out of ten.

Not revolting is like telling alimanjeris in the North who are kept ignorant to be content with their ignorance and enslavement.

A God that tells one to remain ignorant or they will die if they acquire knowledge must be revolted against because it is not knowledge that kills, but ignorance and the lack of knowledge.

In fact, that Eve story was written precisely to ensure you don't revolt against your masters by making you believe the lie that revolting would result in you surely dying on the day that you eat thereof. And as you can read below, they did not die on acquiring knowledge but lived to almost a 1000 years.

That said, I feel you. Some, I guess, like being oppressed and enslaved. When some people wanted to revolt against their slave masters in America, some slaves reported them to their masters and they got whipped and sold. Funny thing is, Americans revolted against their master Britain, and have now become masters of the world just live Eve did

I would rather revolt and die than be a slave and eat, while some would rather eat than revolt and be free to provide their own food from the sweat of their own brow. That's probably why Nigerians did not revolt and elect a different party at the last election. Only thing is, their not revolting has now resulted in them being hungry.

tctrills:
None of the revolutions you mentioned made life any better for the people and that has been my point.

And your point is incorrect. The people who revolted, including us Nigerians who revolted against British and military rule, and history, would tell you their revolution made their lives much better than it was under those they revolted against.