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Brendaniel:
In your words you said everyone has his own portion of part to play in the development of Nigeria, I never asked you to come take my portion accrodinf to you....

And that starts with each individual educating themselves and empowering themselves.

You after all can not solve any problem Nigeria may have without first solving your own problems now, can you?

So, learn to be responsible for yourself please, instead of asking buda to come be your messiah and save you.

buda owes you nothing.

Brendaniel:
It is simpler now, just come to Nigeria and do what you are telling him to do or you remain a liar. A cheat, a fraud, a deciet and a coward...

Your blackmail is woefully failing.

The irony of you begging me to come to Nigeria to come and solve the problems you face when I am telling you to be responsible and solve your own problems for yourself does not elude me.

Please suffer more. It can only make you take responsibility for yourself in the end while you continue wailing that buda is not your messiah.

Brendaniel:
Come and do what you are telling Nigerians to do....

I already do that where I am, thank you very much.

No one is tied to Nigeria. You can chose where you want to suffer, unless you are irresponsible and powerless of course.

Brendaniel:
I told you earlier on that I am not calling you for protest, just come and do what you are telling Nigerians to do or you remain a deceit, a fraud, a liar and a coward....

The Nigerian I responded saved up to buy a Lexus ES 330 2006 for 3.6m that is now 9m.

My advice is, invest in an education instead, so you can earn a better income anywhere in the world so you can afford to buy a brand new 2024 Lexus.

Hopefully, he doesn't reason like you do, or he'd be wailing when a Lexus ES 330 2006 is 18m.

Brendaniel:
My opinion or not, you are like a person trying to teach someone how to drive when you have never driven a car before....

You mean like I've never lived in Nigeria before?

You're welcome.

Brendaniel:
If you cannot come to Nigeria and prove it to us as Sowore is doing then you remain a liar, a cheat, a fraud, a coward and complete deceit....

Perhaps try being responsible for alleviating your own sufferings instead of trying to blackmail others to be Messiah Sowore for you.

Brendaniel:
Come to Nigeria and prove it to us or you remain a liar, a cheat, a deceit, a coward and a fraud....

Your opinion of me does not in any way solve your problems I don't think, but you're very welcome to them.

I don't need to prove anything to you Brendaniel, since I am not your messiah and nor am I responsible for you, which is what I've been pointing out to you but which you refuse to accept despite you being the suffering one.

Brendaniel:
Why don't you come to Nigeria by taking your own portion?

No one's portion is suffering in Nigeria, and there's many in Nigeria who are not suffering with you.

You asked about kidnappings. One can very easily solve that problem by hiring security people to follow and guard one everywhere one goes in Nigeria, which will surely reduce kidnapping from any portion one may have, please note. I have after all invested in my own education so I can afford to be responsible for myself.

Not every Nigerian is crying ẹbí n'pawa. Some are even eating more than ever.

Brendaniel:
So you are telling the guy what is good for him even when he is telling you that it is not good for him, .......

No, I am not telling anyone what is good for them. All I did was point out one persons sorrow at a Lexus ES 330 2006 costing 3.6m, and the benefit to others now it's 9m. And you then went off on one.

The problem we face in Nigeria is a lack of understanding of our duties and responsibilities, and I can very easily teach those wherever I may be. I also do come to Nigeria so those around me may learn, which they thankfully do. I am not however teaching anyone to solve the problems of Nigeria, and didn't in my initial post here. Even you couldn't admit to being kidnapped, so I don't see how that is your problem.

Please know you are free and welcome to have whatever opinion you like about me and I don't need to hold that opinion with you. But you asking others to come solve issues and problems you face is irresponsible of you, in my opinion, and you will continue to face those issues and problems until you become responsible for reducing your own sufferings.

I repeat my self below, but find it necessary since you seem to have missed it.

KnownUnknown:
It’s clear in the previous the behavior of yours that is akin to a typical Christian; not the straw man you are arguing against.

I disagree with you and many here would disagree with you too, but you are entitled to your opinion.

My own opinion is that any one who relies on any god for their daily bread or salvation is very ignorant and stupid and would likely starve. And anyone who serves gods is a slave to the figment of their imagination.

KnownUnknown:
Here’s another one. By “use your own senses”, you indicate that Eve is engaging in some critical thinking when it’s obvious she isn’t.

She goes wherever the wind blows. The first guy says something and she believes. The second guy says something else and she believes.

Eve not engaging in critical thinking is your understanding. You likely don't see through the introduction of a talking serpent neither.

If Eve believed she would die if she ate the fruit of knowledge, she wouldn't have agreed to eat it unless she wanted to die, but just the fact she's willing to consider what she's told is admirable, in my opinion.

If the op did the same, as in, first believe his Christian teaching, which he did, and then consider the Quran as suggested, he'd eventually discover believing anything without first checking with one's own senses if true or not is very stupid indeed.

KnownUnknown:
Kant or Heidegger had opinions but don’t just assume that he can’t understand them. Also, Kant and Heidegger are not in the same class of literature as the Bible and Quran. The Avesta, Odu Ifa, Baghavad Gita are the other works you should have recommended along with the abrahamic stuff. You could have also recommended the Book of Mormon and Dianetics. Chinaua Achebe’s works are not akin to religious lore.

This goes without saying, and anyone who understands their Bible would know not to live by one book alone because the Quran has it written in it that all the trees and all the oceans multiplied 7 times can not complete the words of the gods. Any one who attempts to understand those two expressions will seek for other books to read and may land where you've suggested.

One does after all need to disabuse oneself of belief so one can understand whatever one reads, and the fact the individual is searching for a local god to replace a foreign god does show primary level of Bible and Quran, if you asked me.

KnownUnknown:
Also, why are you comparing those fairy tales to Nollywood when you can compare them to indigenous fairy tales?!

Same reason we are discussing and writing in a foreign language instead of our indigenous languages I suppose. But I did mention our indigenous fairy tale by Chinua Achebe, note. If you can read that without believing it, you'd hopefully not believe any book you read, which is the intention of recommending the Bible and the Quran which present contradictory beliefs that can't be held at once.

I do not desire that the op be enslaved to any god or religion, be they foreign or local. I want the op to be free. And the Bible and Quran serve that purpose in our Nigerian culture, unless one reads them with closed eyes, which, by mere asking the question the op asked, the op does not have because he sees enough to seek.

KnownUnknown:
Twisting yourself into a pretzel to justify the unjustifiable. Like a typical Christian; when the implication of a sentence is obviously unacceptable, they start changing the meaning of the word.

KnownUnknown, I really thought you and I had gone past the point where unknown you would know buda, but it seems we still have a very long way to go.

Does a "typical Christian" tell anyone to read the Bible and the Quran?

Do you seriously think your mind reading skills are so good that you quite understood the implication or intent of my initial post?

You should put in more effort in to trying to know the unknown instead of assuming you already know things about buda that you obviously do not know.

Brendaniel:
That means you are telling Nigerians to do what you a Nigerian cannot do for Nigeria and is unwilling to do for Nigeria....

Not exactly. I am not telling "Nigerians to do what you a Nigerian cannot do for Nigeria". In fact, I'm not telling anyone to do for Nigeria, though I recognise that's been your argument and where you've taken our conversation.

If you go back to my very first post in this thread you will see I was specifically telling the individual what was good for himself. I'll post it below to remind you.

budaatum:
Meaning, if you sell it today you'd make profit of 5.4m minus depreciation, which sounds good to me unless you are a consumer and not an investor.

Imagine if you were one of those who bought 10 Lexus ES 330 2006 in January last year. You now be sitting on a cool 54m profit and would be praising agbado.

Nigeria is far too big a country for any one individual to make it better, but everyone making their own portion of it better by investing in their own learning and education will make the nation better one day.

Just our conversation here has contributed to that betterness, I reckon. You might not have learnt something, but there's others who might have.

KnownUnknown:
You should have just kept your advice to yourself. Why the Bible and Quran? The guy said he’s tired of foreign fairy tales and nonsense but you just double down with the nonsense.

Well, I obviously didn't keep my advice to myself, so there.

The Bible and Quran because they are the two most ubiquitous books in Nigeria and are good for understanding the written text. Also the contradictions in the two would create a dissonance that makes believing either most impossible, and will create a passion for understanding and circle squaring.

Foreign fairy tales because they are far more advanced than Nollywood, and feed the mind with quite a lot to nibble on.

I would have prescribed other books like Kant's Critique of Pure Reason, or Heidegger's Time and Being, but they might be far too advanced for a person struggling with the two I did recommend, especially if they are the believing sort instead of the understanding sort.

I do not consider fairy tales to be nonsense. Chinua's tortoise story being a case in point.

Brendaniel:
Why did you leave Nigeria in the first place, why don't you come back and do everything you are telling people here to do, are you not a Nigerian?

What is stopping you from spearheading your suggestions?

Don't you love Nigeria anymore?

I left to educate myself because I love myself more, and because I am not the messiah of Nigeria and felt no need to save you since you the proles would just end up yelling crucify buda. There's far too many people who reason like you do, who don't see reason for accepting responsibility for the current situation of our nation, and opposing your sort of view mostly receives the sort of response you've been giving me here.

Take your example of "violence that happened in Kogi state for Ododo" for instance. You make it sound like Martians arrived from outerspace to cause violence in Ododo, and can't seem to see that it is people of Ododo causing violence in their own community.

I am spearheading what I can by educating you here, but I am fully aware that some seeds will fall by the roadside and wither in the sun while a few will see reason in the sown seeds and learn to pick up their own cross and bear it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOFu6b3w6c0

Brendaniel:
Please don't get me provoked, I've been wondering why your comments were so out of touch with realities about Nigeria, please don't just get me provoked, any suggestion you give that you yourself will not come down to Nigeria to spearhead yourself will not be taken seriously, please don't just get me provoked, I'm actually controlling the words I am using on you now....

Please be responsible for your own emotions.

If you can't be responsible for your own emotions, you can't possible have any influence in the society you live in.

A40:
Ohh dear Russell got DQd? Damn

Poor him. He ran that car to its bones.

Brendaniel:
You don't live in Nigeria ....

Probably why I am responsible and not so powerless, and why I am telling you what nations that run successful democracies have had to do since they too faced the difficulties Nigeria currently faces.

We've only been democratic for 24 or so years and have quite a lot to learn.

Brendaniel:
So the violence that happened in Kogi state for Ododo was not the use of force against voters or the case where the court made number 4 become no1 in Imo?

What would you do in such cases?
THIS ARE 1ST TIME GOVERNORS...

The violence that happened in Kogi state for Ododo was not the use of force by voters against voters who wouldn't vote for Ododo.

And if the court made number 4 become no1 in Imo, number 1 was not number 1. In fact, what the heck were number 2 and 3 doing if what you claim were true?

Regardless, and assuming your claims are true, Who would I be in such cases? The person who lost the election or the person who's one vote was robbed?

If the former, I would simply be more diligent next time in organising my party so we are not so easily robbed, and I will try to get more people to vote for me and ensure their vote is counted for me, and I will ask my electoral agents to be more vigilant and collect evidence of any infringements, and I will hire good lawyers to argue my case in court too.

And if I am the person who's one vote was robbed, I'd organise all those like me who were robbed to be more vigilant next time and try to be electoral officers who'd ensure our votes are not stolen.

I would not be the only one who will suffer if the elections in my constituency are not credible abd reliable, so hopefully we'd all fight to ensure they are or we'd all suffer the consequences if it isn't.

Sapasenator:
The most idiotic teaching on earth is turning the other cheek after a slap. I have yet to see anyone practice this, and it does not even make any lick of sense. If I am a victim of a slap on the left cheek, my fight or flight instinct will immediately kick in and I will either defend myself or remove myself from that place of harm.

It isn't brilliant to remain and present my other cheek. This is 2024 for Chrissake and we are never supposed to still live with those archaic teachings.

That's your reasoning. And as I said, assume you insulting me is you slapping me.

In the real world, please go ahead and slap. You slapping both cheeks gives me double the opportunity to record evidence on my phone, and I have a very good lawyer on retainer who would make it worth your while.

Brendaniel:
So how do you stop a sitting governor who is writing the election result inside the government house with the INEC chairman ready to announce the result for him ?

Why let the governor sit in the first place? Were you sleeping when you were electing him to sit?

And what evidence do you have that the INEC chairman was ready to announce the result for him? Would you also claim the judge in the court you take the evidence to is working for the sitting governor too, and the one in the appeal court?

Sorry, but I'm not buying the level of ignorance and stupidity you are here suggesting people have.

One thing I do know happens a lot in Nigeria is many people are convinced their vote doesn't count and the winner is a rigger. The consequence of such a belief is the people do not bother to go and vote, while the sitting governor makes sure his people vote and he wins the election while the loser yells rigged and cooks up the narrative you cooked up above.

Regardless, diligence on your part would ensure rigging doesn't happen or happens less, instead of what you are doing here which is the equivalent of not protecting your stuff then blaming the competent thief for stealing from you.

nedu666:
Na so e easy to do business with mouth

Business is never easy. That's why most don't do business and most who do fail.

Owning a Lexus ES 330 2006 is not for those who think anything is easy, not to talk of doing business with 10.

Brendaniel:
Many leaders in Nigeria have rigged themselves into power, for example the former SSG to Amaechi said they were writing results from their houses, if he didbt say it who would know? so what if that is what most of the leaders have been doing?

so how would you know or want the citizens to know who rigged and who didn't trig?

I did mention we are bad governors of ourselves. That includes ensuring riggers don't rig themselves into power over us. And if some are rigging themselves into power overs us, then its our fault for being insufficiently diligent and irresponsible.

Hopefully we'd learn to be diligent and responsible instead of hoping riggers suddenly get godly unrigging hearts. Its after all we who would be wailing due to our irresponsibility and indiligence, while the riggers go on to loot the treasury for their own selfish benefit.

bemeruca:
The documentary is why he got arrested, right?

I don't know that, sorry. The Met have not yet said why he was arrested, and no charge has yet been filed in a court regarding.

When they let us know, I'd willingly discuss, but at the moment, since he's been fined already for that so called documentary, I'd be surprised if his arrest is unrelated.

Brendaniel:
So what if the leader rigs himself into power?

Is that still the responsibility of the citizens?

What? A leader rigs himself into power where we the citizens are not stupid and sleeping?

Sorry, but I don't see how that happens.

But if we the citizens are so stupid and sleeping and irresponsible that some individuals can now come from Mars and rig themselves into power over us, then we most definitely deserve what ever rubbish we are served by them and I hope it is very painful so we weep tears of blood. For that pain is what will make us wake up and not be stupid and irresponsible next time or until we learn to protect our democracy so no one can come and rig themselves into power over us.

Incidentally, the time when some "leader rigs himself into power" over us was when the British rigged themselves into power over us, or perhaps when military ruled. If we can't count the votes we cast under democracy so the rightful person leads, we are the irresponsible ones that rigged and allowed our democracy to be rigged, and we better wake up quick time so we don't end up as slaves to martians from outer space!

Brendaniel:
So what then is the responsibility of the government if the citizens are responsible for everything happening to themselves?

In a democracy, the citizens are the government, and are responsible for everything happening to themselves.

If we the citizens do not like what is happening to ourselves, we thankfully have an opportunity every 4 years to vote for a government that will make something better to happen to ourselves, if we are wise at least, and responsible citizens, and don't just stupidly vote for ọmọ wa ni emilokan.

But if they, or rather, we the people, choose to be stupid, then we will lay on the crooked hurtful bed we did not make how we'd have preferred we made it.

bemeruca:
whats wrong with this?
https://twitter.com/i/status/1817184820151070917

Bem, the fact it came from Tommy is enough for me to not waste my time, especially after a court fined him £100k for it already.

If you don't agree, please go defend Tommy in court. You'd be saving him 100k and he might even give you a fifth.

Brendaniel:
So you think the people who got kidnapped prepared to get kidnapped?

Nope, I don't think "the people who got kidnapped prepared to get kidnapped", and neither have I said any such nonsense.

Brendaniel:
Read you comment again up there, going by what you said there, why do you need a government or even election if you are willing to do everything for yourself, ....

Everything for myself includes governing and government, Brendaniel.

As I said, government is not some people we bring from Mars to govern us, but are people elected by ourselves from amongst ourselves.

Think of the government of Nigeria as me buda and you Brendaniel all the other citizens of Nigeria from amongst who some are elected by us all to hold office. It might make you understand that buda and Brendaniel and all the other citizens of Nigeria are responsible for our governance or misgovernance and inflation and the kidnapping of ourselves by ourselves.

Brendaniel:
And still you could not tell me how you would protect yourself from a kidnapper?

And you want me to believe that you prepared to protect yourself?

My preparation does not start when I am "encountering a kidnap situation". It starts so I don't encounter a kidnap situation at all in the first place.

I have not been kidnapped and neither have you, so we have either protected ourselves or have not been worth kidnapping, which is as good as, don't you think?

bemeruca:
I believe violence and destruction is the only language this people hear.

I guess "violence and destruction is the only language" is why Tommy got arrested.

Then you'd be here claiming you did not break the law, lol.