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PoliteActivist:
You have no way to "ask and knock and seek" except through your same senses. Just as you have no power to override your own thoughts

The same senses that I have bothered to train myself to use better than you who hasn't bothered because you think they don't even exist?

And what do you think therapy is for, I wonder, and even psychodrugs?

https://www.nhs.uk/every-mind-matters/mental-wellbeing-tips/self-help-cbt-techniques/reframing-unhelpful-thoughts/

PoliteActivist:
Are you now firmly convinced your senses could be lying to you, or you still think they are infallible?

No one is claiming their senses are infallible!

That's why one would ask and knock and seek instead of merely believing the first thing one observes or is told, so as not to be lied to or lie to oneself.

But I suppose you might be the sort who crosses the road after your senses have lied to you that there is no car coming after it has lied to you that you don't exist.

I guess one must accept that you do not know how to use your senses, and you assume everyone must be lazy and as incompetent as you are because that must justify your lack of effort to learn to use your senses.

PoliteActivist:
Bottom line: we are not CERTAIN what we experience through our senses is true. And we cannot tell for SURE when our senses are correctly reporting the way things really are and when they are not. The reverse is also true: our senses may refuse to perceive a given reality for whatever reason - you simply subconsciously refuse to see or feel it. OR the brain is too busy doing other things right then - example, people injured in battle or sports don't feel any pain from their injuries until afterwards.

basilico:
Hahaha. Wapo is you ur credible source.
Anyway she is stupid yo try this.

Go Marjorie!

PoliteActivist:
It is actually your senses. You rely on them to tell you what's going on. If they tell you there is a fat man when there's not, they deceived you

No, I do not rely on my senses to tell me what is going on. My senses merely perceive, while my mind is used by me to interpret what my senses perceive.

There's no way my senses can perceive a fat man that is not there, because my mind will tell my senses to look again to confirm.

But if your senses work that way and perceive fat men that are not there, be a Ferrari salesperson so your senses can tell you to exchange a real actual brand new red Ferrari for the imaginary million pounds in my imaginary bank account that are both not there please.

You must be the last one to figure out what most already knew.

PoliteActivist:
Wow! This is becoming rather childish. You are the only adult I know who doesn't know your senses can EASILY deceive you. What do you think make magic tricks possible??

It is not your senses that deceive you when a magic trick works, but your actual lack of knowledge of the trick, and you not developing your senses, and the trickers ability to misinform your underdeveloped senses.

What makes magic tricks possible is the knowledge the tricker has, and your own ignorance. If you were not ignorant and instead knew how a magic trick works you'd find you wouldn't be tricked by magic.

Go Greene! File to vacate Johnson please.

PoliteActivist:
I'm really surprised you can't grasp this simple concept: something needn't actually happen for you to perceive it happened!

I think it is English that is your problem.

If one claims to be perceiving something that is not actually happening, would you not say that person is stupid and tripping and maybe high on bad weed or just plain lying?

if I perceive, as in register with my own senses something actually happening, then something must actually be happening for me to perceive it.

For example, if I perceive, as in register with my senses, a boxing match where an ant is beating Anthony Joshua, then that ant must actually be beating Anthony Joshua for me to be perceiving it.

Now, that doesn't mean that anything you claim you perceive actually happened, because you have admitted that you don't know how to use your senses and you just might be lying or tripping, while I don't create imaginary crap in my own head and claim I perceived it when I couldn't possibly have perceived it.

PoliteActivist:
In The Matrix thoughts were fed to a person hooked to a machine and he was living a full life - but in reality he was hooked to a machine, non of it was actually happening

Some people watch Tom and Jerry and claim rats talk too, but Tom and Jerry and Matrix is not actual reality the last time I checked.

PoliteActivist:
As for Descartes, he started out by doubting EVERYTHING ......

Wrong! He did not seem to have doubted that an "I" existed that thought, and literally put his cart before his horse.

PoliteActivist:
Our senses are that way - they can totally fool us

Your senses can totally fool you, you mean, while many are smart enough to question what they perceive with their senses so as not to so easily be fooled.

It's like you trying to fool yourself here that you don't exist because you are not sure that you exist, while we are smart enough to know that an entity exists that registered on this site and calls itself PoliteActivist and has been posting in this thread.

PoliteActivist:
See Last Thursdayism above. EVERYTHING can be faked except the thoughts themselves

What you mean is you can easily be deceived!

PoliteActivist:
As I've told you, it is very likely things are as we experience them. For us too have a conversation I have to assume certainty that you exist - ignoring the small possibility that you exist only in my head! Just as Einstein believed everything is predetermined but had to pretend it is not in other to functsociety society.

So, you assume certainty that I might exist, but you doubt that you yourself exist, or that you might only exist in your head that might not exist?

I wonder if it's predetermined that you will tie yourself in knots.

SuperOnyi:



@budaatum and the OP, where y'all at? I'm still on the journey, it's not easy but we keep pushing...

buda is eating normally and regularly and is not fasting.

FRANCISTOWN:
I mean say she be woman. She no fit reason the logic

Women no fit reason your logic, lol, but you at least recognise we have brains, I hope.

FRANCISTOWN:
It's better to assume everyone is evil and be on guard than to blindly trust people and be betrayed.

I find it better not to assume anything about anyone unless one has evidence for one's assumption, and even then.

We are different folks with different strokes, I've found, and its unwise to give the wrong stroke to the wrong folks.

Besides, I'm not some ignorant bigot who just assumes an entire gender must be pigs that can't be trusted even if a lot of men can't be trusted.

PoliteActivist:
Bottom line: WE ARE NOT SURE THE NATURE OF THOUGHTS!!

Speak for yourself please.

You are not sure of the nature of your thoughts, or even if you exist to think thoughts, it seems.

PoliteActivist:
Do you agree that ALL we are SURE exist are thoughts and that we don't know the true nature of thoughts?

Did you notice how many questions I asked you and that you ignored?

That's what a person who has no regard for the existence of others do. They rudely ignore others' existence.

PoliteActivist:
And how are you sure that actually happened?

My being sure is not a concern of actual reality provided it actually happened.

An example is the certain fact that the sun rose yesterday and will rise tomorrow even one die before dawn and can never know.

PoliteActivist:
Do you agree that all we are SURE exist are thoughts and that we don't know the true nature of thoughts?

No, I do not agree that all that exists are thoughts.

And I'm not currently interested in discussing the nature of thoughts with you because you don't seem to be aware that the thoughts you may be thinking can only exist because you exist to think them, and that is likely because you don't know you are thinking your own thoughts.

PoliteActivist:
Is pain you??

Did I say it was?

PoliteActivist:
Define you

You are the entity that registered on Nairaland on June 15, 2019, thereby coming into existence as PoliteActivist.

PoliteActivist:
😂😅Lewis Carroll is craaazy!

Words do not mean certain things because of the way in which they are used; words are used because they mean certain things. Any new or ‘invented’ term must be defined by pre-existing and meaningful terms.

I'm glad you agree.

Now apply it to you and exist, if both words mean what they mean, or define them if they don't.

PoliteActivist:
BUT I TOLD YOU THAT!!! Told you it is highly probable reality is approximately as we experience it.

You, told me that, lol. Guess that might be true if your postulate of you knowing nothing were not true in the first place, but since you claim you know nothing, can you see how hard it might he to be told anything by you?

For your information, reality is reality, whether it is experienced or not. A real tree falls in the real forest whether anyone experiences it or not. And a person's experience of a particular reality does not necessarily "highly probable reality is approximately as we experience it".

And what a nonsense sentence too!

Everyone has heard of the experience of those who grabbed parts of an elephant. And there's lots of record of our experience being so wrong it approximates to lies. There's even you here experiencing buda yet claiming you don't exist to experience!

People experience ghosts and demons. Do their "highly probable reality is approximately as we experience it" too?

PoliteActivist:
What do you think is the context of Cogito ergo sum??

He thinks therefore he is, in it's basic form.

So tell me. Is all you write the product of your thought or not and therefore evidence of your non-existence?

And I do ask despite my, "you exist, therefore you think", since there'd be no you to respond if you don't exist.

PoliteActivist:
BUT we have no way of being sure!

This, here, is my fundamental disagreement with you who would then say "highly probable reality is approximately as we experience it". It's like you just like jumbling words together without considering what you might mean.

If you are not sure, how can your experience highly anyhow be reality if you have not bothered to train your senses to better know whether you exist or not?

advanceDNA:
ur words were she won't trust you..but if shes not angry...the trust issue won't come up.

forgive me, I also thought we are talking about modern dating era with sexual liberation even among women....even decent girls fvck around in 2024...

I've definitely not been angry and lost trust, and I can't be the only one I don't think, but I guess you got me with the "decent girls fvck around in 2024".

Makes me wonder, you poor dudes looking for wives today, you poors, if decent has so changed meaning in 2024 from what decent always meant, but I'm not in the least surprised considering you pi..., I mean men.

TopBanter:
You've both got it wrong. It is not about deserving or demanding respect. Fck deserving or demanding respect. Respect is earned by your superior or exemplary capacity and not demanded or something you should feel you deserve.

This prick cannot speak to anyone in the USA or Europe like this. He does it because his opportunistic and very easy dominance of Kenyans has conditioned him not to respect Africans.

The solution involves taking advantages of all opportunities in our own land optimally, instead of being obsessed with "japa", to the extent there would be shishi for this racist Chinese prick to come and look for in Nigeria.

This is a message to Nigerian and African youths lambasting Nigeria and Africa daily as worthless yet the Chinese, Lebanese, Indians, Koreans etal are trooping in to take advantaged of opportunities we are too blind to see because of our obsession with others providing solutions for us instead of understanding that we can move innovatively and aggressively to be active agents of the solution we seek.

+1

You remind me of us.
https://www.nairaland.com/90469/nigerians-dumb-not

LordReed:
Yes, my dear buda, even if they think they don't exist we know they do. Let's bitchslap their brain a bit more.

His senses must so not exist that he that doesn't exist can not feel his pain.

He reminds me.
https://www.nairaland.com/5133617/beans-not-beans#77534517

FRANCISTOWN:
Thats exactly my point.
Why should you request a DNA from such a beautiful and innocent being that is incapable of evil.
Such an angel.

Neither of you are beautiful and innocent angels, but must we all be deceitful lying demons that is incapable of good?

Please know that I am not against DNA. Some should definitely check if na dem papa born dem.

advanceDNA:
....so a man is just supposed to assume the kid is his because his wife will be angry?

I never said "because his wife will be angry", you'd find if you read me, which please bother to do going forward please thank you.

budaatum:
Can you see how she'd never trust you again, and likely love you no more?

advanceDNA:
This is 2024 oooo..women fvck around for fun too,

Forgive me. I thought we were talking about the woman one decided to marry after sifting through the worthless and not the one one "fvck around for fun".

advanceDNA:
.baba u fvnny...so u can't do DNA test without ur wife knowing??

Of course one can, lol. Can bug her phone too without her knowing and even follow to see where she goes, but I'd wonder why he married me though you think I will never recognise the obvious paranoia and trust issues.

You are trustworthy. Loyal to your wife. She loves you in return and is loyal to you. She gets pregnant, but your trust goes out the window and you request a DNA.

Can you see how she'd never trust you again, and likely love you no more?

Why and what for?

Reminds me of my great great grandmother who was told that woman was formed from the rib of man. She dragged that man to the next give birth to show where males and females come from.

You've already abandoned your culture when you abandon your gods. But only a fool would worship Ogun instead of picking up a book.

She must have arrived in heaven, not liked it, and gotten a return ticket to life, or the nurse is a quack and the link is laclick!.