₦airaland Forum

benalvino3:
This happened 11days ago. And I am sure you did not hear about it.
https://youtu.be/5bpgyJH9- 1o
I don't blame the police entirely for shooting him.

Title of the video you posted is, Colorado sheriff's deputy shoots, kills unarmed man outside school, but not only do you not blame the police for shooting him, you don't seem to want to blame the police for shooting any of the unharmed people police shoot. Thankfully, many courts do not agree with you.

Techobeys:
Why did Adam sin?
It’s known that Adam, the first man sinned,

It is understood by many that Adam sinned, but that would depend on what one understands.

If you are deprived of knowledge after being demoted from rule over the earth and the sea, to a common gardener in Eden, you might want to sin too to free yourself from slavery.

What amuses me is why not many are bold enough to say the entity sinned when it lied when it said "on the day you eat the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall surely die". After all, it is a sin to lie, but I guess many are more comfortable redefining the meaning of death in order to maintain what they've been told to believe than face the rather obvious that they see with their own eyes.

https://www.nairaland.com/7351620/story-adam-eve-makes-sense

https://www.nairaland.com/6795272/reeves-pass

benalvino3:
repost; coolusername, raumdeuter

All this started because a cop killed a man using a questionable technique for a ridiculously long time.

Your write up is like one ignorantly claiming that EndSars was sparked by one single incident.

I guess you think most are unaware like you are that it started long before George Floyd.

ORIAYO70:
No comment for you lost sheep

You've hopefully learnt some sheep wear wolf skins.

IjeBos:
To be clear, Government endorsed to me means explicitly endorsed in the constitution.

We differ on this fact. India government seems to pseudo endorse their freedom of religion, but reports seem to suggest they are bypassing their own constitution.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0dkb144

IjeBos:
On the other hand, the Nigerian election seemed to be rigged.

This is what many of us Obidients are claiming, and I can't see how we differ from the nuts in America who claim dump won.

We lost, and my advise to us is we dust ourselves off and prepare better for 4 years time while hoping Obi prevails in court.

NaijaphiliaBlog:
Excellent points!

You are right - my intention was not to imply that a minimum wage worker in 1976 could afford a brand new car, but rather to indicate the gap in purchasing power between the 1976 and the 2023 salaries of a given worker on equivalent salary scale.

And I can't argue with that since it's very true.

benalvino3, almost every time you mention me you lie about me. That's why I ignore you and know intelligent people would too.

Perhaps next time show evidence for what you claim buda said. It might make you seem less of a liar.

ORIAYO70:
Keep playing
Keep calling people bigot
Until U becomes bonafide slave in Ur domain,what do U knw

You got to put a chain on me first to enslave me, and to be honest with you, I wouldn't make a good slave so you'd have a hard job of it. That's probably why I don't have the fear you have. I can't be enslaved like you.

Viccur:
you mean you trekked from Mokola to Alakia daily?

No, not daily! Sometimes. Mostly when I earned only 2 Naira.

IjeBos:
I don't believe India's government endorses Hinduism. I think their constitution guarantees religious independence. In fact those walls are breaking down and it's causing issues for the religious minority groups.
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2022/05/narendra-modi-india-religion-hindu-nationalism/630169/

Somehow, I understand the opposite from the article you posted. It's title alone is The Hinduization of India Is Nearly Complete, which is already "serious issues for the religious minority groups", though we could argue if or how much the 'government' is pushing for its Hindustification especially if we exclude Hindu Modi from said government.

"A Muslim minority would inevitably be subordinate to the Hindu majority" it says in what I could read in the link you posted, and from what I've heard, plurality is not guaranteed unless you are Hindu, despite the "constitution guarantees". People still need to be sufficiently educated and the law (constitution) enforced for any such guarantee to be worth the paper it's written on.

IjeBos:
I agree about the education, but you are talking about years and decades away. And honestly, some religious groups purposefully don't value Education, to keep people in line.

At the rate we are going, with letting our schools be staffed mainly by ill-educated youth corpers and basilico like types, I'd say no less than 100 years or a generation at least, but that does not remove from the fact that education is what would move us away from the ignorance of tribalism and religion most hang on to, but I must say that the last election shows progress. Many Yorubas said emilokan my ass and voted for the Igbo guy instead of the alleged drug mule, which might have been the case a lot less just a decade ago.

IjeBos:
I wouldn't trust any of the "election" results coming out of the government.

They don't need us to trust them. By golly, some here don't trust the elections in US, but Biden still gets 4 years in a White House.

P.s. You said "argue" in a previous, and it disturbed me. I prefer "discuss", since I'm merely stating a view and an opinion instead of what could be called fact, which I do not have.

NaijaphiliaBlog:
Your proposal is insightful. Let's check it out:

(A). PURCHASING POWER IN 1976 VS COST OF 1976 HONDA CIVIC
In 1976, Nigeria's nominal minimum wage was ₦60 per month i.e. ₦720 per annum.

In 1976, the cost of a brand-new Honda Civic was ₦3,205

This was equivalent to 53.5 months' salary (or four and a half years' salary).


(B). PURCHASING POWER IN 2023 VS COST OF 2023 HONDA CIVIC
In 2023, Nigeria's minimum wage is ₦30,000 per month i.e. ₦360,000 per annum.

In 2023, the cost of a brand-new Honda Civic is ₦19.5m (approx).

This is equivalent to 650 months' salary (54 years' salary).

(C). INFERENCE
By this purely linear logic (not taking any other germane factors into account), the base-salaried Nigerian worker in 2023 is more than 12-fold worse off than his 1976 counterpart!

Good try. Very good try in fact, but linear logic don't quite cut it I would think, since there's a lot of germaine factor (exchange rate, along with its corresponding strength of currency, and inflation), which must be taken into account unfortunately. But again, very very good try.

Your minimum wage figures are questionable for starts (first image below), and a person on minimum wage in 1976 and 2023 would only dream in their sleep of buying a brand new Honda Civic regardless. Those who buy brand new Honda Civics in 1976 and 2023 earn a lot more than minimum wage. Yeyegbami says ₦3,205 in 1976 is now ₦3.2M, and by linear logic, if his claim is true, ₦60 in 1976 would be like ₦60,000 today, or ₦600,000 if one usecondom.

Second image is the salaries of newly commissioned officers in the Medical Corp in 1976. They are the sort of people who'd have bought a brand new Honda Civic in 1976, and likely who would buy one today.

That said, a person on a ₦60 a month wage in 1976 was likely better off than a person on the equivalent wage today as Nigeria was doing financially much better in 1976 than it is today, but I wouldn't say as well off as to buy a brand new Honda Civic.

Salary? You make me laff.

In 1980 I earned 8 Naira a day working 8 to 5 at a sawmill in Ibadan. If I arrived at work and there were no trees to slice or electricity to slice it with my boss might sympathise and pay me 2 Naira for the day. I'd walk from Mokola to Alakia and save 20 kobo.

LikeAking:
Amazing..

They bought brand new cars like it was nothing in those good old days..

Nice!

Really? Perhaps post the annual salary of those you claim "bought brand new cars like it was nothing in those good old days" so we can truly see how amazing those good old days were.

I borrowed this in part. I've left out some at the end, and haven't checked it's validity, and some is not exactly true, note, but......

fairplay90:
In 1999, the Igbo voted for Obasanjo en block

Obasanjo is Yoruba

Obasanjo lost Yorubaland but scored 85%+ in Igbo land

In 2003, the Igbo voted for Obasanjo

Obasanjo scored 95% in some Igbo states

Obasanjo defeated Ojukwu in Igbo land.

In 2007, the Igbo voted for Yaradua

Yaradua was Hausa-Fulani

Yaradua scored his highest percentage votes in Igbo land

In 2011, the Igbo voted for Jonathan

Jonathan is Ijaw

Jonathan scored 95%+ in Igbo land

In 2015, the Igbo voted Jonathan

Jonathan scored a higher percentage in igbo land that the South South Region

In 2019, the Igbo voted Atiku

Atiku is Fulani

Atiku scored a higher percentage in Anambra than Adamawa

In 2023, the Igbo voted.

IjeBos:
I'm not sure the point you are making. Are you arguing that tribalism and religious differences aren't part in parcel of our problems?

No, I'm not "arguing that tribalism and religious differences aren't part in parcel of our problem". What I'm debating is how much a part of the parcel it actually was.

This, after all, is not our first election, and we seem to be all over the place as far as "tribalism and religious differences" determined past results.

IjeBos:
I'm not sure that is enough. A basic tenet of US law is freedom of religion. You can't have a cohesive country when the government endorses religious law (sharia).

Yes you can have a country "when the government endorses religious law". India springs to mind with its endorsed Hinduism, and with a tiny stretch of the imagination, so does China, though you'd need to stretch as far as considering Communism as a sort of religion.

Still, you've hit the head of the nail with your "basic tenet of US law", though its not as basic as you claim. Laws are made by people, and such laws as freedom of religion require a sort of enlightenment that we Nigerians just have not yet achieved, which is why we do not have such laws. We'd have them when we educate ourselves.

Nigerians seem to not have voted predominantly along religious lines nor tribe, or Tinubu would not have won in states that have few Muslims, and Obi would have won all states with Christian majorities.

That said, I'm waiting for a detailed breakdown of votes. It will show how cute I'm being. Personally, personal presumed gain is what I think swayed this election. As much as I'd have preferred Obi, he just hadn't done the groundwork that would have given him the win. If he'd been the PDP candidate, he'd have had a much better chance.

toprealman:
Lol....check the graph. Give your father or mother the phone, they can help you interpret that simple plot.

I don't see why you need to insult your mother and father here. Surely you were taught to respect your parents, no, or did they not pay your school fees to enable you to comprehend what you read?

Go on and Read it again. Your mother and father will be proud when you show you comprehend.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPDIfpUssAs

Here's a recent post. Don't know how valid it is, but if true, those elders must have forgotten the tribe they are from.

IjeBos:
Self selecting - post slavery obviously. Really? Why would you even go there?

My argument isn't to as what I believe, it's as to what I think Nigerians believe. And I think that point was made during this "election".

A selective reading of the election results might make one conclude what you have. Fact is, no candidate got only votes from their tribe, which kind of disproves your point, I'd think.

Fact is, USA was "an invention of colonials" with people from diverse nationalities, and it seems to be doing pretty well, so that's not the reason Nigeria is not doing so well.

If we mended our mentality, I believe we'd do well too.

IjeBos:
Us is distinct. It's a self selecting group of people who decided to leave their own "tribes" and emigrate to somewhere else.
And I used distinct tribes because that's how Nigerians see themselves.

"Self selecting", lol. As in, they self bought a ticket on the boat? You do know some were sent to America as part of a jail sentence, right, and that's apart from those who were sold to the place?

"Distinct tribes", distinct nationalities, same difference as far as they sometimes see themselves. Even today you'd see some distinctify themselves when it suits them.

toprealman:
How is that correlated to poor performance and incompetence?

"Correlated to poor performance and incompetence" of the investor in Zoom shares? After all, no one has said Mr Greg Tomb, who was fired "without cause", was incompetent or poorly performed.

Ask the investor how their recent investment in Zoom performed. They might not agree their investment performed poorly or that they were incompetent but the return on their investment might enlighten you some.

Try thinking about boys. Or rather, men, since we'd rather you not become a paedophile.

Far too many popups, unfortunately.

toprealman:
I love that graph. Imagine showing some Nigerians APC's Buhari Nigeria's performance chart, they will still defend him ....Adesina+Keyamo+ Lai...et al!

I think someone here said they just bought Zoom shares too. No difference. Some just invested unwisely.

IjeBos:
The problem is Nigeria was an invention of colonials. Too many distinct tribes and differing religions. Not sure it's governable esp. when people are comfortable living in as is. I think it's very peculiar that people are so tribalistic when one of their main cities is literally named after a foreign conqueror.

You must be describing USA, though I bet you wouldn't call those who migrated from all over Europe and the rest of the world, "distinct tribes", I bet.

mrvitalis:
Lol you guys always projecting your selfs on Igbos ...truth is we no even send una

You guys? Projecting? One would think you know me when in fact you have no clue.

Sorry mrvitalis. I am not sent by anyone.

Obrigardo:
1883 was on my radar, don't know why I didn't start it.

One thing Nigerians have never understood is that Nationality doesn't have to be tribalistic. Well some Nigerians and not all. Just look at the republiqans like mtg, tucker, and co pushing White supremacy talking points and you can parallel them to some set of Nigerians that won't share ideals with someone not of their tribe. Just like some republiqans don't understand what a Nation is, same way some Nigerians will think and Nigeria will ever remain this way.

Was on my radar too, but didn't start it till I read OhBritannia's wonderful write up about 1923, which I also intend to watch.

Some benefit from the way things are and can easily convince others that the way things are is better for them than a change of the way things are. Just imagine MTG tied to the kitchen sink popping out babies to understand the hypocrisy.

ebuk4real:

When slavery was to be abolished, some slaves were very angry and would've preferred it wasn't. Despite them being slaves, they hated the thought of not seeing others in chains. They would've preferred if they were freed and others in slavery. If not, let them all be slaves.

(This is not about slaves literally, but APC moronic puppets.)

Some slaves even preferred slavery to being free people. Just see how people would rather remain slaves like Adams in the Garden of Eden than be freed by use her senses Eve.

Obrigardo:
I'm sorry but Nigeria is lost

I think you mean Nigerians are lost, since Nigeria has remained in the general same place that it's always been at.

Thankfully, we will some day find ourselves. These things just take time unfortunately, and sometimes, generations.

Watch 1883 or any Western to see how lost what became USA was. Today it's touted as a superpower, though some might claim not much changed.