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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Ecclesiastes Feels Like The Bible's Secret Atheist Manifesto by budaatum: 1:30am On Apr 20

SpyMaster1:
Many readers notice this feels like a completely different voice — almost like a later editor added it to wrap up the bleakness with a traditional religious conclusion.

Sorry Spymaster1, but I do not think that "Many readers notice this feels like a completely different voice", unless you are opportuned to find your "many readers" are not Christians who believe what they are told to believe instead of becoming as a child and abandoning beliefs so they can read it with an unbiased mind.

Most Bible readers I come across are Christians who believe, and are not able to read with their own eyes and understand with their own mind like you seem to be doing, I dare say. Golly! You even claim "like a later editor added it", as if God did not write the book himself, as some believe.

My advise to you is, please heed the words of one who said, "Forgive them, for they have not got a clue what they read"! Though I confess that's not easy.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Demystification Of Budaatum - An Interview. by budaatum: 1:00am On Apr 20

DeepSight:
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The ad hominems are all yours and I am left suspecting you still have an ax to grind, But that is your cup of tea.
As for the infinite regress problem, nothing can change the fact that if you start from negative infinity you will never arrive at 1. That is iron clad and a million words from ignorance, hurt or pride will do nothing to change it.

You are very wrong! Though there is absolutely no reason to start from negative infinity when one can start at 0 minus 1. Or can you not subtract 1 from zero?

The universe as known has been dated to have begun about 14 billion years ago at time zero, and saying there was no time before 14 billion years ago is like claiming the universe was spontaneously caused into existence at point zero and here we are 14 billion years later. You however can not make such a claim, but insist there must have been a causer of the universe. And by your own argument, is it not logical to presume that your causer must have existed before 14 billion years ago in order to cause the universe into existence 14 billion years ago?

In fact, whose to say your causer did not itself exist 14 billion years or even for "eternity" before it began causing and before the universe itself came into existence 14 billion years later? Whose even to say that there was no creator of the causer who existed 140 billions years before your causer was caused, if we want to make things up to believe?

An agnostic and an atheist would say, we do not know what might have existed and for how long it existed prior to the universe coming into existence, but that's not your position. Instead, deist you inserts a timeless imaginary immaterial entity at some point where your knowledge stops and you call that point "negative infinity".

Point is, negative infinity is rather pointless as far as the supposed 14 billion year old universe is concerned. You yourself are limiting yourself to the day or even second before the universe came into existence when you invoke a causer of the universe, which is just another word for god or an intelligent designer, whom you claim is immaterial and timeless, which I presume means it 'existed' for an infinite amount of time before it began causing. And you can not engage with the notion that while something big may have existed before the universe banged into existence, since something has to exist to go bang, it is not necessarily a (creator) causer. Then you confuse your own argument by appealing to an imaginary causer that you claim must have existed before the universe existed, and you call it a first causer while denying it is a creator god, lol, when it can easily just have been an increase in pressure or whatnot.

Do you not see that your claim is no different to that made by Christians when they say "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters. And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was a big bang, and there was light?

Would you argue that the imaginary made up Spirit of God did not spend a very very long time creating the heavens before then creating the earth about 14 billion years ago?

But of course you wouldn't. After all, you are a deist, you claim, so Theo could not have caused the universe into existence because your first causer Deo cause it!

You can imagine ax grinding your tea as much as you want, deep, that is your prerogative. it bothers nor concerns me not.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Demystification Of Budaatum - An Interview. by budaatum: 11:06pm On Apr 19

DeepSight:
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Lets just forget it.

You may just forget whatever you want to just forget, but do not expect buda to do what you choose to do.

I so like Nairaland because whatever we say is there till Nairaland dies, which I hope is long after I die. So even if you choose to forget, the reminder will always be here.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Demystification Of Budaatum - An Interview. by budaatum: 11:01pm On Apr 19

DeepSight:
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Its fine. I wouldn't have suspected you of this agbero approach to a delicate discussion with so many insults and all, its just no use.
I used to be deist, but today I simply say I dont know. I am agnostic.

I feel you do not quite realise that claiming one does not understand is agbero approach. It's condescending and patronising and rude and insulting, and you should be able to accept the coins you dish out. Or do you think I am too thick to notice?

For your information, you have not once said you don't know, despite me repeatedly offering it as way out for you here, since neither of us can possibly know what happened a million years ago not to talk of when the universe came into existence or before then!

You have in fact been claiming you do know, because, "infinite regression", and you insult me for not accepting your beliefs as knowledge! An agnostic would not peddle beliefs. At best they'd say what they think, but they definitely wouldn't be asking one to believe what they believe like theists do.

I think you are still a deist, which is really just another word for theist without the god worship. And it makes me think of my Lordreed who took a while to abandon his theist language after becoming an atheist. You, on the other hand, haven't bothered to de-deify, and still talk in deist language, and can not understand my atheist language and therefore must ad hominem and moan when dished what you serve.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Demystification Of Budaatum - An Interview. by budaatum: 10:27pm On Apr 19

DeepSight:
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I doubt that you understand it from some of the things you say, such as invoking FSM.

Nonetheless we have not even scratched the surface of the matter. Sadly we can't because as I said we are not speaking the same language. If we were, we could explore it and get to ask questions that touch on the nature of eternity, self existence and immaterial things. Those are deep stuff and when you say wuruwuru it's clear we can't have even a proper attempt at it. It's fine.

Deep, we are not speaking the same language is the entire point! But see how you slyly imply that I can not understand "deep stuff", lol, like I am braindead or mentally challenged, when the truth is your argument is as illogical as the baseless Kalam Cosmological Argument that has been propounded since Aristotle and dumped by most except theologists who make crap up to believe.

And that's why you'd need to put effort in to understand instead of rehashing what any atheist worth the salt would just laugh at when raised. Or do you seriously believe you are the first to throw such crap at me on Nairaland?

Note I asked you to explain eternity, but you can not or at least have not. It's theological gobbledegook as far as this conversation goes and as far as I am concerned, unless you define what you mean by it but haven't.

Inserting an immaterial nonexistent entity in the gap of your knowledge and claiming it exists is indeed wuruwuru, and is no different to what theists do with their imaginary Yahweh and Allah and angels and spirits, and is what I have done with my spaghetti monster, which you can not accept. I wonder why.

Question though, because I'm curious and do not want to assume.

Do you consider yourself to be a theist?

Foreign Affairs › Re: Photo Of Israel Soldier Smashing The Head Of Jesus Christ Statue During Operatio by budaatum: 9:54pm On Apr 19

Israeli soldiers are saving the Christ from the Hezbollah!

Christianity Etc › Re: The Demystification Of Budaatum - An Interview. by budaatum: 9:48pm On Apr 19

DeepSight:
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It's obvious it's not useful to press the point. We are not even speaking the same language.

Obviously, lol. Though I do very clearly understand your point, which I vehemently disagree with.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Demystification Of Budaatum - An Interview. by budaatum: 9:23pm On Apr 19

Deepsight, please know that I do not assume that you do not understand my own point. I think you do understand my point because I believe I have explained it well enough to be understood, and I consider you capable of understanding my point.

You disagree with my point, and that's okay. It would be very stupid of me to think you are stupid and or don't understand my point just because you disagree with my point.

Do note.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Demystification Of Budaatum - An Interview. by budaatum: 9:12pm On Apr 19

DeepSight:
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I think your post shows that you dont quite follow the first cause argument and also that you make some very wrong assumptions about it. I will explain. .

That is your assumption, and you are free to have it. My own view is people say the above when they are disagreed with.

DeepSight:
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Here are the assumptions and wrongs in your understanding. I will keep them brief.

1. You assume that all believers in the first cause argument see that first cause as the beginning of the physical universe or the big bang. I for one dont. For me, the first cause would be immaterial and self existent..

This is your assumption. My understanding is that your first cause caused the universe to come into existence, the Big Bang merely being what scientists refer to as that instance when existence (as known) began. Scientists will also tell you that they do not know what preceded the coming into existence of the universe as known.

And that's why I asked you what caused the first cause to come into existence and then cause the universe to exist, which you wuruwuru into immaterial existence all by itself without even providing any evidence of its existence. And the fact that you call it a "belief" is why I give it short shrift, since you are free to believe whatever you want to believe.

It's after all not like I can't choose to believe the Spaghetti Monster done it if that's what I want to believe. But asking you to believe it too might be difficult for me, I'd think, especially if I claim it is immaterial and self existent but can't provide any evidence of its immateriality nor existence apart from my say so that it does exist immaterially.

But lets try it, shall we.

An immaterial fairy exists at the bottom of my garden! It's there because I believe it's there.

You buying?

DeepSight:
2. You imagine that a first cause implies that one thinks such a cause spontaneously came into existence in itself. This betrays a deep misapprehension of the argument. If you look at the Kalam Cosmological Argument as a reference, it very carefully states "whatever BEGINS to exist has a cause." It does not say "all that exists has a cause.".

Thing is, it is claimed that there was a big bang and the universe as is known came into existence, and not many would not argue that the big bang did not have a cause, sunce something big must have existed to go bang. But instead of stopping there, you now invent an immaterial uncaused causer and claim it must have existed.

Why?

Can't you just accept that we do not know what caused what caused the big bang (if there was a big bang, that is)?

And why anthropomorphize it and call it a causer?

Please know that atheist me does not buy into the Kalam Cosmological Argument!

DeepSight:
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Some things are uncaused. They are necessary and self existent. What would you say caused eternity for example?.

This is just absurd!

What is eternity?

Does eternity self exist?

Where or and how does eternity exist?

DeepSight:
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We have to be very careful with words here (while appreciating that the words we have are limited in such a delicate matter). Because a cause in this matter would be different from a rationale. A cause would be a trigger whereas a rationale will simply be an explanation. A trigger would necessarily be an event while an explanation may not be an event, it may refer to a static state of things or reality which does not change..

You don't say, "We have to be very careful with words here" lol.

I'd say we must be very careful indeed! I'd go even further and say one must not include gobledygook in serious conversation, but we'd only end up arguing what gobledygook is.

Are you claiming your first cause was a trigger, like my something big that might have existed to trigger a bang?

The scientist in my would agree if that's what you mean.

Its like claiming the gully of a river is caused by the water that flows. Or pepper in my eyes made tears fall down my face. They may indeed "cause", but I wouldn't then call them causers, especially if by cause you mean create, since they merely activated a process and did not necessarily create the situation that made the process occur or be what is observed.

DeepSight:
Of course and pivoting to the real question: surely you agree that we could never arrive at today if the causes of today rest in an infinite regress of causes, same as you could never arrive at Number one if you are counting from negative infinity. This is simply put enough to be absorbed.

This is meaningless, sorry! And its a lame attempt to gaslight!

You have not arrived at enough causes before inserting your causer, is the problem I have with it.

If I wanted to be absurd, its like claiming women get pregnant when a mare farts, which was a belief once held by some before they looked deeper.

You, like them, have not looked deep enough and are claiming infinite regression, is my main objection.

DeepSight:
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What he said was simple and true (the second argument) unless you want to show me how to arrive at 1 counting from minus infinity.

Numbers do not have infinity. There is always a plus or minus 1 from whatever you determine infinity to be.

We struggle to determine what actually happened a million years ago, so speculation is what we do further back than that since we just do not know. Humans are however not satisfied with not knowing so they insert an immaterial causer in the gap of their knowledge, and buda is far too ignorant to do that, sorry .

Politics › Re: Horrible Power Supply Situation by budaatum: 4:10pm On Apr 19

Brendaniel:
Read what you wrote again from the beginning and see if any of the examples you wrote there looks exactly like Nigeria, ever country you listed all have their standing governments independent from each other and any member state has the right to walk away without going to war like Britain did to EU.

Is that the same with Nigeria?

Do you people ever learn?

Nigeria has its standing government, and can leave its equivalent of EU, which is the African Union or that of West Africa, though we'd likely regret it just as UK is regretting leaving EU and is trying to rejoin.

What you can not do is a region in Nigeria leaving Nigeria, just as Wales, Northern Ireland, England and Scotland can not leave the United Kingdom unless it is democratically voted for in a recognised referendum, which UK is unlikely to offer and abide by just as Nigeria isn't.

For a region in Nigeria to hold a referendum for any split you'd first need to elect majority senators and representatives who are campaigning and offering a referendum, and you might have noticed that none of them is campaigning for your vote on that basis.

I suggest you learn this!

Christianity Etc › Re: Being And Time - Martin Heidegger' by budaatum(op): 2:40pm On Apr 19

QuinQQ:
Very, very valid points. However (there's always a however ), the danger with vast majority of people is total lack of any original thought whatsoever that is based entirely on their own direct experience. But you do make lots and lots of sense.

Such people believe what they read and do not bother to understand first, but I think my posts will show that I am not "vast majority of people".

In fact, the books I quote the most are the Bible and the Quran, but I do not believe either book. And only a fool would believe Heidegger, who's Being and Time is a description of the "vast majority of people" so one can know and decide for oneself if one wants to be one of them.

Romance › Re: I'm 36. Single. Never Had Sex. Here's Why? by budaatum: 2:15pm On Apr 19

funnyDM:
This happened over 12 years ago. I went for a HIV test then. It was negative.

Go do follow up test!

Your story get wọwọ since you claim the "she called me in a very calm voice and said, "I have HIV", " then said I was accusing her of having HIV".

Romance › Re: I'm 36. Single. Never Had Sex. Here's Why? by budaatum: 2:03pm On Apr 19

I'm just glad you never got to make this happen.

funnyDM:
MY DECISION
I'd invite her to my house on Sunday, fvck her pussy HARD, and in the next two days, dump her sorry a.rse!

WHAT LATER HAPPENED

Dude! Go for Hiv test!

Christianity Etc › Re: What If You've Been Taught To Fear Truth... Instead Of Seek It? by budaatum: 1:52pm On Apr 19

tctrills:
I really don't have problems with Muslims or atheists, or people of other religions. My biggest problem has always been with the fake and rot in my own religion, Christianity. There are so many actively poisoning Christianity from within, and I always see the need to respond to them.

I have no problem with the Books (Bible and Quran) but the rot in the religious belief and practice of some does irk me much. The Books themselves, I consider gold, but find many just yell "Lord Lord", and don't understand what it is they read.

The poison did not start with the people however, for the devil is very proactive, and started meddling in the works of the Gods after "it was very good".

May your God continue to strengthen you, I say, so you may build a people of power.

Politics › Re: Horrible Power Supply Situation by budaatum: 1:40pm On Apr 19

Brendaniel:
You can do whatever you want, but if as at now you don't still know why Nigeria is not working or you believe it is because people are not coming out to vote, then you are very far from reality...

The major problem of Nigeria is more ideological, we are not the same, the onyl way Nigeria may ever move forward is to kill the bad ideologies majorly from certain regions...

You people have refused to learn from Europe...

You mention "learn from Europe", but I think it is you who has not learnt from Europe.

United Kingdom, for instance, is a formation of England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland, and they all have different ideologies, and went through worse than we are, yet Keir Starmer is the democratically elected Prime Minister, and Charles Philip Arthur George is King.

Europe itself, after many ideological wars, united 27 member states under the European Union and have a parliament where representatives are all democratically elected.

I am from the Orolu Kingdom of Ifon Osun, and our neighbour is Ilobu. We are so near each other that there is no clear boundary between us, and we even used to share the same local government until we got our own. For the past 5 years or so, we have been killing each other over land because we are "ideologically different".

One can not be ideologically the same as one's next door neighbour, but sense should teach one to live peacefully despite that, I'd have thought, and as most of Europe you ask that one learn from has learnt. And if one can not learn to live peacefully with one's neighbours then one simply must be ignorant.

P.s. Democracy is the bloodless process of "kill the bad ideologies" from all regions. You vote against the ideologies you want to kill for them to die.

Christianity Etc › Re: What If You've Been Taught To Fear Truth... Instead Of Seek It? by budaatum: 1:19pm On Apr 19

tctrills:
You are the one that is caught.
You believe that you mother, wife and daughters are slaves, I believe all the women in my life are free.
You are the one that should be ashamed not me.
You claim that the woman became s slave but your bible teaches.
1 Peter 3.7
Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered.

Fake Christians everywhere

Your sort of understanding is what made atheist me wake up this morning and go to church.

I have this old woman who walks very slowly, like a 5 minute walk takes her an hour, but she does not like being driven to church and would rather walk. She's from Uganda and is one of the angels who can get me out of bed on a Sunday morning. I met her at Bible study about 20 years ago.

Nairaland General › Re: At Your Age, What's Your Biggest Regret In Life by budaatum: 1:03pm On Apr 19

QuinQQ:
Thanks 4 your erudite response.
But don't you think it better to formulate your own unique views through direct experience of phenomena than rely on others' views? (As per the quote below)

https://www.nairaland.com/6023861/being-time-martin-heidegger/6#139147786

Christianity Etc › Re: Being And Time - Martin Heidegger' by budaatum(op): 1:03pm On Apr 19*

To those who follow this thread, do know that I only finished this book in January this year like 6 years after I started, and can not claim to have fully understood what he had to say.

So I got it paid for on Audible and I'm listening to it again because I absolutely enjoyed it indeed.

The author himself did not finish writing what he wanted to write.

Christianity Etc › Re: Being And Time - Martin Heidegger' by budaatum(op): 12:57pm On Apr 19

QuinQQ:
Thanks 4 your erudite response.
But don't you think it better to formulate your own unique views through direct experience of phenomena than rely on others' views? (As per the quote below)

https://www.nairaland.com/attachments/19806490_screenshot20260219031407chrome_jpegf0935cc7b977fc5158074fb7762c4077

You would think I forgot you, but truth is you've never left my head since you posted the above. And I bring it here so it's kept. I'll add a link to your original post when done.

First, do you see the irony of you quoting Yoko Ono instead of presenting what is in your own head?

i ask because, as much as I have read Heidegger every hour for 12, and started it all over again, I actually find him unquotable.

You see, we do not read what others write in order to quote them, but to understand what it is they have to say.

I, for instance read a lot of early philosophers, not so I can quote them, but so I can understand how knowledge has developed.

It's the same way I would study the history of say, law, or mathematics, not so I may quote it, but so I may understand how it developed and learn from what has already been discovered instead of wasting my time with multiple errors trying to invent the wheel from scratch.

If you do not know the views that others have already expressed, you just might be repeating views that have already been expressed, and even been debunked.

And knowing the views that have already been expressed will enable you to stand on the shoulders of giants that preceded you and enable you to see much further than they saw.

For only by knowing the foundation of a thing can one "formulate your own unique views through direct experience of phenomena than rely on others' views".

Politics › Re: Horrible Power Supply Situation by budaatum: 12:33pm On Apr 19

Brendaniel:
I would have replied you much earlier, had a little issue with my electricity supply.

So democracy is basically a system of government for the people and by the people, sounds good right?

But in that definition lies the biggest flaw of democracy, why?

Since democracy is about the majority of the people having their way, the question is what kind of majority of what type of people?

This post might be a bit lengthy but it will show you why democracy has been failing in Africa especially Nigeria.

Nigeria made me discover that you can have a large majority making a bad decision in selecting leaders and electing them for the fewer good decisive electorates.

Lengthy indeed, and I can't help feeling you are trying to drown me in verbiage, Brendaniel. I might return to the rest you wrote but I am cutting you off here for now.

It's your "Nigeria made me discover", that did you. You define "democracy is basically a system of government for the people and by the people", and then claim Nigeria, where about 100 million people registered to vote and only 25% voted made you discover.

The only decision a "large majority" made at the last election was to sit on their asses and not vote!

So, did that make you discover that people who refuse to get off their asses and vote are bound to be ruled by fools, and are likely to come here and wail that the democracy that they refused to engage in has left them with a government they don't like?

Christianity Etc › Re: What If You've Been Taught To Fear Truth... Instead Of Seek It? by budaatum: 12:24pm On Apr 19

Why am I not surprised that a thread is more believable to you who can not look with your own eyes?

Can an ignorant blind Adam see that he is a naked slave?

Dtruthspeaker:
That means that they are the inferiority as proven by these threads https://www.nairaland.com/5511568/why-society-does-not-value#83756442

https://www.nairaland.com/5104898/hypocrisy-society-when-it-comes#77076676

So you see you are showing that the serpent is your father

Christianity Etc › Re: Did Satan Actually Have Sex With Eve? by budaatum: 12:19pm On Apr 19

Gabrielshow26:
Furthermore, if we base our theology on what we think we see 🤔behind the text rather than what the text actually says, we risk creating a 'private interpretation' (2 Peter 1:20).

Unfortunately, to err is human, and what we actually do is base our theology on what we are told.

If that were not the case, we'd be asking why it is written that God created humans in his own image to eat every seed bearing fruit and rule the earth and subdue and multiply and be blessed, and after resting created other humans from mud to work in a tiny garden and not eat what he had given the Image to eat as food.

What is sad is, Imago Dei who do realise that the Image is not Adam, will keep that valuable knowledge to themselves and not share it with the Adams, least the Adams refuse to remain naked slaves, and instead become like their masters, knowing good and evil, and go further to understand how to extend their lives. And so they don't, on the east side of the Garden of Eden a cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth is placed to guard the way to the tree of life.

Then comes a Christ to feed us fruits of knowledge so we may understand that, though getting past the cherubim and its flaming sword may be as hard as a camel entering through the needle's eye, it is not impossible, and he is the Way. But so blinded are we that we crucify him and then lie to ourselves that he died for our sins, when the truth is more like we murdered him and truncated his feeding us fruits of knowledge, and have instead created hell on earth because we lack understanding and just believe what we are told to believe!

Eve used the brain in her head to question if she would die if she ate the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. And you all know the answer to that question! And that brain in your head is called a serpent to scare you so you don't use the brain in your head, because if you use the brain in your head you can not be enslaved in a garden, but would instead rule the whole earth and subdue and multiply and be blessed!

P.s. Of course you want to crucify me after reading the above (I do not mean you in particular, Gabrielshow26, but almost everyone who read this far), because that is what is done to those who lift the veil.

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Christianity Etc › Re: What If You've Been Taught To Fear Truth... Instead Of Seek It? by budaatum: 11:00am On Apr 19

tctrills:
My wife is not my slave, I don't what you are taking about.
In fact, one can make the argument that man is the slave in the relationship.
We provide, we do the most dangerous task. We beg for their love, we beg them to marry us. We get worn and die before them.
True, we make more money than them but we spend more money on them.
We live to work for our women and children.
We are not their slaves but if the argument is to be made, man is closer to being the slave than the woman.

You have discovered the mystery of women!

And because of the respect and regard that you have for your wife, she will likely not ever enslave you, and would more likely be a blessing to you and your family.

But just imagine what a woman would do to a husband who is a gip! As in a husband who is the opposite of you.

Christianity Etc › Re: What If You've Been Taught To Fear Truth... Instead Of Seek It? by budaatum: 10:54am On Apr 19

Dtruthspeaker:
Yet, she became a slave to men to the point that her kind are begging for gender equality. In addition to your spine, your lungs and kidney are already affected, so it is clear you are on your way to hel..

Fighting for gender superiority you mean, after gips like you have used your imaginary god to oppress for millennium.

And see how winning that fight intimidates small minded you, lol.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Demystification Of Budaatum - An Interview. by budaatum: 10:49am On Apr 19

DeepSight:
Budaatum. Back to the infinite regress. I argued it was impossible. Just came across a video where someone tries to put it differently and i wondered if it could help make the point clearer.

In this very short clip, listen to the second argument made. He says that if you are asked to start from negative infinity and arrive at zero, you would never make it.

Do you see the point? Do you also see why this is actually the same argument I made?

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/faNoCuMD8JY

I do see your point, Deep, and do not have a problem with your point, since I simply see it as pointing to how you think and reason. What I do find amusing however, is your attempt to create me in your image to think and reason and point like you do, which I do not.

Did you hear him say "there must be a first cause". And then jump to "there was a first cause"? Logic does not work that way, and thinking it does is plain îgnorant, and for the foolish.

The world that promoted first cause ideology did not know about the number zero, and was more ignorant about negative numbers until relatively recently. They started counting from 1, which was their beginning, and went 2, 3, .... x. Humans eventually learnt about zero and were able to go backwards to -1, -2, -3, -x. Both go to infinity, but I wouldn't bother using that to prove anything about gods or first cause or even an infinite regression to you.

What you do not get is, even if there had been a big bang about 14 billion years ago, that moment would not have been the first caused event even though we count it as point 1 or even zero. Because a period must have existed prior to something forming to get big enough to go bang, and there is no reason to claim that forming did not take a further 14 billion years. And instead of just admitting that I have in no way exhausted regressing to 14 billion years ago, not to talk of whatever period might have existed prior to the start of that 14 billion years ago, you demand one insert some imaginary first causer that spontaneously came into existence all by itself, while avoiding the flaw in your own rational that claims everything must have a causer. And note that word please. It means creator. When the truth is more likely that everything must have a cause, as in, a reason for being. It's a distinction I was hoping from you but which you seem not able to distinguish.

You are aware that 14 billion years ago, and the imaginary further 14 billion that I am suggesting might have preceded it is still not infinity, right?

Now the philosophy. Or call it, implication.

Most arguments you have with many, especially in the thread we both engage in much, is a 'regression'. They stop at a particular point and claim "that is", while you dig deeper and know it isn't. Basically, you simply 'regress' further back in the knowledge tree than they do. None of us reaches the infinite first cause of knowledge, though we like to claim we do, just that some dig deeper than some. Pity you can't do the same here.

Sorry, Deep, but no mathematician worth their salt would talk the sort of rubbish in the youtube above to attempt to prove Gods. Just reading the comments shows the sort of people such 'logic' appeals to. It's not my "point", but I can understand if it is yours.

Christianity Etc › Re: What If You've Been Taught To Fear Truth... Instead Of Seek It? by budaatum: 9:48am On Apr 19

Dtruthspeaker:
So, ph0o... you have enslaved people with knowledge before, yet God punis you with a broken spine! To think that eve had knowledge yet everybody enslaves her

Doctor pastor liesspeaker, you cry more than buda because your brain is broken.

Eve freed herself from slavery by acquiring knowledge, and you should learn and free yourself too.

Ref: https://www.nairaland.com/7351620/story-adam-eve-makes-sense#117003826

Politics › Re: My Problem With Obi/kwankwaso Ticket by budaatum: 5:19pm On Apr 18

SmartPolician:
Rigging is a complex term. Whenever you use it in a political discussion, explain the context.

This is important because I noticed that many people are throwing the word around without knowing how it works, including those who know nothing about how elections work in Nigeria.

75% of registered voters refused to get off their asses and vote and are now crying rigging after Tinubu won with a mere 10m votes!

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Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 4:52pm On Apr 18

DeepSight:
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Secondly I would be really interested in what is classed as homeless in both countries.

Because I suspect that the stats are with reference to people the state assists with housing and not with respect to actual people on the streets NOT assisted by the state.

Temporarily housed are considered homeless here until permanently housed.

Foreign Affairs › Re: Our Ancestors Knew What To Do To US Enemies; Beat Them & Beat Them Good - Trump by budaatum: 9:25am On Apr 18

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/BLyjYSHyeIU

Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 9:11am On Apr 18

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/BLyjYSHyeIU

Christianity Etc › Re: What If You've Been Taught To Fear Truth... Instead Of Seek It? by budaatum: 9:03am On Apr 18

Theawakensoul:
🌿 WHAT IF YOU’VE BEEN TAUGHT TO FEAR TRUTH… INSTEAD OF SEEK IT?

Below is the actual words that teach most people to fear to seek the truth:

And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

What most don't understand is humans wrote the book, and use those words to enslave other humans and to make them believe that seeking knowledge is satan worship, when the truth is, you shall not surely die, but your eyes will open when you seek knowledge, and you will become an Image of the Gods who rule and subdue and multiply and are blessed, which is what a proper understanding of the book will empower you to become and do.

Basically, without knowledge you are mud, and will slave naked and ignorant in what you think is Eden, but with knowledge you are an Image of the Gods, and will Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

The choice is of course one's.

Foreign Affairs › Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 8:52am On Apr 18

cococandy:
I swear they would have called Jesus a woke bleeding heart liberal. There are so many parallels to the character of Jesus that they actively mock and malign today.

“Suicidal” empathy is one.

Caring for others is another one.

Non-judgmental behavior is their biggest one.

Heck it’s even worse because they have the most disgusting and harmful behaviors towards others. Yet, they hold so much judgement for things that are simply different and in no way as harmful as their win behaviors. But I digress.

For sure they would’ve mocked Jesus for being a “loser” who didn’t go on conquests to kill and conquer.

Frankly them fronting as Christians is an insult to everything Jesus Christ clearly stood for during his time on earth.

I am an atheist and I love Jesus Christ for the reasons you mention above. And I hate the fact they murdered him and then convinced themselves he died for their sins when he would have educated them to sin no more if they'd just let him live.

Some say he is fictional, but so is a lot of Shakespeare and Aesop, and that does not devalue the lessons one learns from stories about him.

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