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Brendaniel:
I would have replied you much earlier, had a little issue with my electricity supply.

So democracy is basically a system of government for the people and by the people, sounds good right?

But in that definition lies the biggest flaw of democracy, why?

Since democracy is about the majority of the people having their way, the question is what kind of majority of what type of people?

This post might be a bit lengthy but it will show you why democracy has been failing in Africa especially Nigeria.

Nigeria made me discover that you can have a large majority making a bad decision in selecting leaders and electing them for the fewer good decisive electorates.

Lengthy indeed, and I can't help feeling you are trying to drown me in verbiage, Brendaniel. I might return to the rest you wrote but I am cutting you off here for now.

It's your "Nigeria made me discover", that did you. You define "democracy is basically a system of government for the people and by the people", and then claim Nigeria, where about 100 million people registered to vote and only 25% voted made you discover.

The only decision a "large majority" made at the last election was to sit on their asses and not vote!

So, did that make you discover that people who refuse to get off their asses and vote are bound to be ruled by fools, and are likely to come here and wail that the democracy that they refused to engage in has left them with a government they don't like?

Why am I not surprised that a thread is more believable to you who can not look with your own eyes?

Can an ignorant blind Adam see that he is a naked slave?

Dtruthspeaker:
That means that they are the inferiority as proven by these threads https://www.nairaland.com/5511568/why-society-does-not-value#83756442

https://www.nairaland.com/5104898/hypocrisy-society-when-it-comes#77076676

So you see you are showing that the serpent is your father

Gabrielshow26:
Furthermore, if we base our theology on what we think we see 🤔behind the text rather than what the text actually says, we risk creating a 'private interpretation' (2 Peter 1:20).

Unfortunately, to err is human, and what we actually do is base our theology on what we are told.

If that were not the case, we'd be asking why it is written that God created humans in his own image to eat every seed bearing fruit and rule the earth and subdue and multiply and be blessed, and after resting created other humans from mud to work in a tiny garden and not eat what he had given the Image to eat as food.

What is sad is, Imago Dei who do realise that the Image is not Adam, will keep that valuable knowledge to themselves and not share it with the Adams, least the Adams refuse to remain naked slaves, and instead become like their masters, knowing good and evil, and go further to understand how to extend their lives. And so they don't, on the east side of the Garden of Eden a cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth is placed to guard the way to the tree of life.

Then comes a Christ to feed us fruits of knowledge so we may understand that, though getting past the cherubim and its flaming sword may be as hard as a camel entering through the needle's eye, it is not impossible, and he is the Way. But so blinded are we that we crucify him and then lie to ourselves that he died for our sins, when the truth is more like we murdered him and truncated his feeding us fruits of knowledge, and have instead created hell on earth because we lack understanding and just believe what we are told to believe!

Eve used the brain in her head to question if she would die if she ate the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. And you all know the answer to that question! And that brain in your head is called a serpent to scare you so you don't use the brain in your head, because if you use the brain in your head you can not be enslaved in a garden, but would instead rule the whole earth and subdue and multiply and be blessed!

P.s. Of course you want to crucify me after reading the above (I do not mean you in particular, Gabrielshow26, but almost everyone who read this far), because that is what is done to those who lift the veil.

tctrills:
My wife is not my slave, I don't what you are taking about.
In fact, one can make the argument that man is the slave in the relationship.
We provide, we do the most dangerous task. We beg for their love, we beg them to marry us. We get worn and die before them.
True, we make more money than them but we spend more money on them.
We live to work for our women and children.
We are not their slaves but if the argument is to be made, man is closer to being the slave than the woman.

You have discovered the mystery of women!

And because of the respect and regard that you have for your wife, she will likely not ever enslave you, and would more likely be a blessing to you and your family.

But just imagine what a woman would do to a husband who is a gip! As in a husband who is the opposite of you.

Dtruthspeaker:
Yet, she became a slave to men to the point that her kind are begging for gender equality. In addition to your spine, your lungs and kidney are already affected, so it is clear you are on your way to hel..

Fighting for gender superiority you mean, after gips like you have used your imaginary god to oppress for millennium.

And see how winning that fight intimidates small minded you, lol.

DeepSight:
Budaatum. Back to the infinite regress. I argued it was impossible. Just came across a video where someone tries to put it differently and i wondered if it could help make the point clearer.

In this very short clip, listen to the second argument made. He says that if you are asked to start from negative infinity and arrive at zero, you would never make it.

Do you see the point? Do you also see why this is actually the same argument I made?

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/faNoCuMD8JY

I do see your point, Deep, and do not have a problem with your point, since I simply see it as pointing to how you think and reason. What I do find amusing however, is your attempt to create me in your image to think and reason and point like you do, which I do not.

Did you hear him say "there must be a first cause". And then jump to "there was a first cause"? Logic does not work that way, and thinking it does is plain îgnorant, and for the foolish.

The world that promoted first cause ideology did not know about the number zero, and was more ignorant about negative numbers until relatively recently. They started counting from 1, which was their beginning, and went 2, 3, .... x. Humans eventually learnt about zero and were able to go backwards to -1, -2, -3, -x. Both go to infinity, but I wouldn't bother using that to prove anything about gods or first cause or even an infinite regression to you.

What you do not get is, even if there had been a big bang about 14 billion years ago, that moment would not have been the first caused event even though we count it as point 1 or even zero. Because a period must have existed prior to something forming to get big enough to go bang, and there is no reason to claim that forming did not take a further 14 billion years. And instead of just admitting that I have in no way exhausted regressing to 14 billion years ago, not to talk of whatever period might have existed prior to the start of that 14 billion years ago, you demand one insert some imaginary first causer that spontaneously came into existence all by itself, while avoiding the flaw in your own rational that claims everything must have a causer. And note that word please. It means creator. When the truth is more likely that everything must have a cause, as in, a reason for being. It's a distinction I was hoping from you but which you seem not able to distinguish.

You are aware that 14 billion years ago, and the imaginary further 14 billion that I am suggesting might have preceded it is still not infinity, right?

Now the philosophy. Or call it, implication.

Most arguments you have with many, especially in the thread we both engage in much, is a 'regression'. They stop at a particular point and claim "that is", while you dig deeper and know it isn't. Basically, you simply 'regress' further back in the knowledge tree than they do. None of us reaches the infinite first cause of knowledge, though we like to claim we do, just that some dig deeper than some. Pity you can't do the same here.

Sorry, Deep, but no mathematician worth their salt would talk the sort of rubbish in the youtube above to attempt to prove Gods. Just reading the comments shows the sort of people such 'logic' appeals to. It's not my "point", but I can understand if it is yours.

Dtruthspeaker:
So, ph0o... you have enslaved people with knowledge before, yet God punis you with a broken spine! To think that eve had knowledge yet everybody enslaves her

Doctor pastor liesspeaker, you cry more than buda because your brain is broken.

Eve freed herself from slavery by acquiring knowledge, and you should learn and free yourself too.

Ref: https://www.nairaland.com/7351620/story-adam-eve-makes-sense#117003826

SmartPolician:
Rigging is a complex term. Whenever you use it in a political discussion, explain the context.

This is important because I noticed that many people are throwing the word around without knowing how it works, including those who know nothing about how elections work in Nigeria.

75% of registered voters refused to get off their asses and vote and are now crying rigging after Tinubu won with a mere 10m votes!

DeepSight:
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Secondly I would be really interested in what is classed as homeless in both countries.

Because I suspect that the stats are with reference to people the state assists with housing and not with respect to actual people on the streets NOT assisted by the state.

Temporarily housed are considered homeless here until permanently housed.

Theawakensoul:
🌿 WHAT IF YOU’VE BEEN TAUGHT TO FEAR TRUTH… INSTEAD OF SEEK IT?

Below is the actual words that teach most people to fear to seek the truth:

And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

What most don't understand is humans wrote the book, and use those words to enslave other humans and to make them believe that seeking knowledge is satan worship, when the truth is, you shall not surely die, but your eyes will open when you seek knowledge, and you will become an Image of the Gods who rule and subdue and multiply and are blessed, which is what a proper understanding of the book will empower you to become and do.

Basically, without knowledge you are mud, and will slave naked and ignorant in what you think is Eden, but with knowledge you are an Image of the Gods, and will Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

The choice is of course one's.

cococandy:
I swear they would have called Jesus a woke bleeding heart liberal. There are so many parallels to the character of Jesus that they actively mock and malign today.

“Suicidal” empathy is one.

Caring for others is another one.

Non-judgmental behavior is their biggest one.

Heck it’s even worse because they have the most disgusting and harmful behaviors towards others. Yet, they hold so much judgement for things that are simply different and in no way as harmful as their win behaviors. But I digress.

For sure they would’ve mocked Jesus for being a “loser” who didn’t go on conquests to kill and conquer.

Frankly them fronting as Christians is an insult to everything Jesus Christ clearly stood for during his time on earth.

I am an atheist and I love Jesus Christ for the reasons you mention above. And I hate the fact they murdered him and then convinced themselves he died for their sins when he would have educated them to sin no more if they'd just let him live.

Some say he is fictional, but so is a lot of Shakespeare and Aesop, and that does not devalue the lessons one learns from stories about him.

DeepSight:
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The sad thing is that it is when life happens to them as it can to all humans and they need that back up humane system and it is not there - that is when they finally get the simple logic that the system should have back up systems of support for the vulnerable built into various areas of need, such as healthcare, pensions, old age, shelter, unemployment assistance etc. Its what the whole society contributes to, not to give away to the careless, but to protect its most vulnerable who could be anyone at anytime.

One of the Chief Priests of maga and the tea party that preceded it was Ayn Rand. She railed against handouts to the poor until she needed handouts herself. And the only reason she's not mentioned much anymore is her hypocrisy.

DeepSight:
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The summary of all of this is that the USA can indeed take many different steps and options in terms of infusing and injecting funds for social programs into its system without suffering the kind of shocks other economies would. If well managed, consequences can be minimal and achieve the intended results quite easily.

This bit? As in the shock, and "consequences can be minimal bit"? For a while.

Any 'printing' USA does is added to its already ballooning debt. And you can only spend on a credit you don't pay back until you max it out. Then, massive consequential shock usually seen as inflation and higher T-Bill and Bond Rates.

EFFR below is Effective Federal Fund Rate. Bondholders are having none of it!

raumdeuter:
Printing money has inflationary consequence which we saw under covid, If AMerica decides to print more money for whatever you want, it will lea to the same inflation, Its why no one suggests it as an option

Its a question 5yr old ask, If we are poor, why dnt we just print more money

Yet, "printing more money" is exactly what America does. Read my previous to understand how.

And yes, inflation and higher interest will be the eventual consequence.

A recession is one way to cure rampant inflation if cooling down the economy by raising the Fed Rate does not work. The flip side however is that inflation reduces the cost of debt.

It's why I'm waiting for dump to sack Powell and replace him with his stoogee. I can't wait to see how bondholders react to a reduction in the Fed Rate when inflation is raging.

DeepSight:
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If you are serious with my question first tell me if you understand the role of the dollar as I asked. If not forget it.

And I only mentioned COVID checks to show you that the USA can and does afford such when it wishes to.

First, 'money printing' is not printing Benjamin on paper. It actually means selling T-Bills and Bonds, which is a promise to pay interest and your money back at term end.

"USA affords" by adding to their debt, which they can borrow because they have not defaulted, yet. They however must pay interest on that debt, and inflation means the interest demanded rises to mitigate against devaluation due to 'money printing '.

Basically, you lend the government money by buying bonds and t-bills. And you'd be smart to lend at inflation plus some, or the $100 dollars you lend will be worth less at term end.

In fact, bondholders are watching very closely. They seem to move very slowly until they run. Bonds at 5% when inflation is 6% means you are giving your money away.

DeepSight:
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Do you know what Quantitative Easing is?

How did the USA raise the money for Covid Checks. Tell me.

The consequence was inflation!

DeepSight:
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You obviously dont know anything about the dollar as fiat money. And the position of the USA in the world ecosystem of fiat money.
If you did, you will understand that they are the only country who can afford to engage in abundant quantitative easing and cash printing without the necessary inflationary effect.

And this is completely surplus to the fact that they can afford it even without that.

The bold is not true.

The more they print, the more their currency loses value, and the more those they borrow from demand higher interest.

USA is currently replacing sub 1% T-bills repayable in less than a year, for post 4% bonds repayable in 5-30 years, because lenders are demanding more to mitigate inflation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfV4WTx0LDk?si=tyMprWIi9IwWbO5r

Nigerians deserve accurate information, not sensational claims.

Please tell me if you now have "accurate information" after you've read what the Federal Competition and Consumer Protection Commission (FCCPC) has to say.

pansophist:
This image wey you attach to many of your post, you no dey tire ?

No, I no dey tire. And I will not tire till the lesson is learnt.

There is still some sanity somewhere.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/apr/16/lawyer-john-eastman-disbarred-2020-election-trump?CMP=share_btn_url

Brendaniel:
The democracy practiced in Nigeria is flawed and not supposed to be used in Nigeria...

So to me it means that the Nigrian styled type of democracy may never work in Nigeria...

This is not a definition!

Let me explain something to you. You and I have discussed in the past, and even when we have disagreed, you have shown you have a brain and can use it. So please let us use our brains now. We might in the end be able to determine the sort of democracy that might benefit Nigeria or propose an alternative form of choosing those who rule us.

Define any type of democracy you understand, please.

Then define the sort of democracy you believe is being practiced in Nigeria.

They are all Jesuses! Apparently.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2026/apr/10/pete-hegseth-christianity-iran-war-crusade

Brendaniel:
I have already answered you, but if you still want to go further with the question, let me ask, which type of democracy are you talking about, is it the type practiced in Nigeria?

Because I won't lie to you, to me right now, there are different types of democracies...

So I don't know the exact one you are talking about, please kindly be specific..

Define any type of democracy you understand, please.

Then define the sort of democracy you believe is being practiced in Nigeria.

Brendaniel:
I have answered you already...

No you haven't! Or answer again so we are clear.

Brendaniel, what does democracy mean to you?

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