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Seun:
There are still some bugs in the code. My eyes are on it.

Specsavers are doing two for one on glasses. Your eyes need it.

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merrymike47:
this is incomplete without suggesting a safe location. Let them not go and move from frying pan to fire. Fact check, is anywhere safe in Nigeria?

It is also incomplete without stating what is unsafe about "staying in the following places in Edo State"!

bayelsaowei:
America is looking at what is happening in Iran and thinking it cant happen in the US..

It might come as a shock when they see it happen..in their minds this administration is the next best thing close to the heavens.

I'm looking towards the midterms when USA does a, hopefully, bloodless removal of its own ayatollah.

In light of recent conversations about voter rights and IDs, I can't help wonder if some expect Iranians to shed so much blood in their fight for democracy and then say 'only property owners may vote'.

raumdeuter:
The person invited did not go, but your concern is about someone who wasnt even invited

Imagine how warped your sense of reasoning is

It is rather warped that someone was not invited I'd have thought, but I am aware of the Democrat majority protecting him from the Republicans who want to impeach him.

raumdeuter:
Clinton was invited to the house for questioning today, he refused to go. I will think someone like you who wanted to know the whole truth and is interested in justice will not leave Clintons neck

Sorry, but we are currently interested in dump's head. He is after all the head head of the agency responsible for releasing the Epstein files.

We will grab Clinton's neck after we are done with dump's head. I promise.

davidaluu:
Don't get this comment? Could you explain?

Can you explain the image please?

ogododo:
Says shortfalls need urgent reconsideration to attain stated objectives of tax reform

•Seeks action on controlled foreign companies, taxation of non-resident persons, imposition of tax, deductions allowed, others

•Calls for exclusion of withholding tax on insurance premiums paid to non-residents

“Nigeria’s New Tax Laws: Inherent Errors, Inconsistencies, Gaps and Omissions”

https://assets.kpmg.com/content/dam/kpmg/ng/pdf/2026/01/Inherent%20Errors,%20Gaps%20and%20Ommissions%20in%20New%20Tax%20Acts%20-%206%20January.pdf

20 more characters needed!

Justice Emeka Nwite of the Federal High Court Abuja is not a substantive judge?

raumdeuter:
90% of Americans file taxes right. So why not have a right to vote

Great idea. They can show their tax id and vote!

benalvino3:
If you believe it was always a requirement, why argue against it?

Why argue against maga attempts to restrict voting by imposing further id requirements because they lost an election?

Because I don't want stup¹d people to rig their way into power!

Was this in response to me IbeOkehie?

It got botted before I could read it, but would let me know your level if from you to me.

benalvino3:
speaking out of both sides of your mouth

This epitomises why I ignore you.

Voter id was always a requirement, and the post you quoted was against the maga promotion of added requirements that pretty much sound like what IbeOkehie is proposing, which I very strongly and emphatically object to.

IbeOkehie:
There's a common saying that a democracy is headed for failure when people learn they can vote themselves money from the Treasury.

What say you?

You asking about the current state of USA voting?

I say, a country that votes themselves money from the Treasury will pretty soon go bankrupt. Such countries are likely to be almost $40 trillion in debt.

But I think you forget that the "Treasury" people have learnt to "vote themselves money from" is composed of the tax the people pay from the money in their own pocket, such that your question becomes, a democracy is headed for failure when people learn they can vote themselves money from the tax taken from inside their own pockets.

Ways of paying for their "votes themselves money from the Treasury" include inflation and higher interest rates and a significant increase in asset prices (resulting in a bubble that eventually bursts), and a depletion in purchase power. Let me know if you seeing any of these please.

Now, I do know some dumb people are like the trees, but don't you think most would eventually object to free food they pay for and vote against it and hug trees?

No, you haven't heard, IbeOkehie. What you've done is completely disregard the arguments against your position and lazily label them "Black, Gender, Patriarchy".

And that's perfectly acceptable, but do not try and gaslight that you heard when you obviously do not listen!

More sense use, We Nigerians!

IbeOkehie:
Whatever....I've heard.

Black people are oppressed, Gender Pay Gap, Patriarchy, Black Africans never sold anyone into slavery, eat the rich, there's was nothing like fuel subsidy.

I've heard, thanks!

Good Luck to Nigerians.

raumdeuter:
There cant be a trusted electoral process without voters having a recognized state issued photo ID to identify themselves. Its basic common sense

Yes it is. Though I don't object to identification with a recognised credit card with a £10 charge to raise revenue.

benalvino3:
Let's still not forget that you are arguing against voters ID.

I am not arguing against voter ID! And your "forget" card is simply an attempt to fill your own mind with nonsense since no rational being can possibly believe you and let you fill their's.

I don't expect any country on earth to let people vote without identifying them first and registering they have voted. If UK and Nigeria didn't identify voters, some might go illegally vote in multiple places!

IbeOkehie:
Universal suffrage and majority rule democracy are dangerous. Everyone knows this but emotions get in the way. That's facts.

Good Luck to Nigerians.

I think you think playing the emotions card will scare us to accept your "That's facts".

We don't need luck. More sense use, We Nigerians!

raumdeuter:
I still havent seen a compelling argument from you on why some adults should be barred from voting. Even for criminals who have serve their time, they should not be barred from voting

Every adult should have a say on how they are governed as they all have one thing or the other that is pressing to them.

Thank you plenty much, Sir.

IbeOkehie:
LOL, the Gender Card, very useful for intimidating any opponent in an argument.

Kamala lost because the USA is sexist and misogynistic.

Gender Pay Gap!!!

I get it.

Thanks 😊

Good Luck to Nigerians.

Sir, I'm not playing any cards, unless you want to argue that the homeless I also mentioned is a card. And I in fact think it is you who is playing cards in attempt to discard valid objections to your position.

Below (see date), is about refusing to participate, like in Nigeria, where people, for whatever reasons, can not be bothered to get off their ass³s and go cast their democratic vote that we fought to obtain from our military rulers. That lack of participation of less than 30% of eligible voters is why we are having policies many are now complaining about, but you want to restrict people from participating, and claim skin in the electorate should be property? Were you born after 1999 I am tempted to ask, but you'd probably accuse me of playing an age card, lol, so count that as rhetorical.

The more restrictive you make voting, the fewer people will vote. You yourself already said money gives some a greater vote than some. Do you want USA elections decided by billionaires alone too? It is after all the logical conclusion to your property-vote position. Or why shouldn't I have 100 votes if I own 100 houses?

Countries have seen the benefit of increased participation in elections, having gone through years of similar restrictions you now embrace, so you calling for a return to Eden makes me assume limited historical knowledge, forgive me for saying.

Link below is a pdf which might indicate wind direction to you. There's lots more about getting more citizens to vote, you'd find with a search.
https://www.jrrt.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/The_Democratic_Participation_of_Ethnic_Minority_and_Immigrant_Voters_in_the_UK.pdf

Go dump!

https://wolfstreet.com/2026/01/12/justice-department-subpoenas-the-fed-threatens-powell-with-criminal-indictment-powell-comes-out-swinging-stock-futures-tank/



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KckGHaBLSn4?si=p8r3rQUWSbcNlmbU

Looks to me like you are looking for cards and will create cards where there are none. I'll test this when we discuss the protection of children. People who propose what you are proposing here also propose that a woman's place is in the kitchen, so forgive me for assuming you reason so.

Fact remains that many countries have abandoned this archaic proposal of yours, so there really is no point me arguing against it since it is dead on arrival. The current debate is thankfully about extending the vote to 16 year olds who obviously don't own property nor in most instances pay tax.

Would you like to discuss Nigeria instead, where less than 20 million voted in the last election and less that 10 million elected Tinubu?

Some are talking of making voting compulsory and penalising non-voters.

IbeOkehie:
LOL this is the Gender Card or Sexism Card. But the argument is COMPLETELY WRONG, totally without merit.

1) Here in the USA any home, particularly a PRIMARY RESIDENCE where a married couple live and register to vote in as the State of Residence, is Community Property. Meaning it is owned by BOTH the man and woman in the marriage. Same for gay and lesbian marriages.

We're past the times when the MAN owned the home. I can't believe I'm reading this in 2025!!!!

2) Most married couples in the USA file JOINT TAXES, in fact that is the DEFAULT mode of taxation in the USA. If one person in a marriage is paying tax, it applies to BOTH parties.

3) Women serve in the Armed Forces of the USA

4) There's plenty of stay at home fathers. This is 2025, there's no presumption of roles based on gender. Na wa ooooo!

So any woman TODAY can easily earn the vote under the conditions suggested. The GENDER OPPRESSION Card is totally uncalled for.

I can't believe this. Reminds me of the FALLACY of the so-called gender pay gap. The Age of Victims is over, everyone is EQUAL under the Law.

Good Luck to Nigerians

Antichristian2:
"Can God die" is not the same as "Can god die"!

It does not matter how you try to cut your "God".

All Gods, including Yahweh and Allah will eventually die when humans start to learn more by reading more books, because you can't keep humans in ignorance in Eden forever.

That said, Christianity has shown it can evolve from fire and brimstone Yahweh to meek and gentle Jesus, so it might survive longer. If it had maintained an eye for an eye, Yahweh wouldn't have likely enjoyed its mass adoption in the West.

Below is the Qur'an saying those who read only one book will become extinct.

IbeOkehie:
Also the Citizens United (?) case qualified money as speech, opinions aren't equal either, richer people have "bigger" speech to influence elections and candidates.

Adding other sensible voting qualifications like property ownership, paying taxes and military service would be a good thing. Maybe one wouldn't need such qualifications to stand for office, just to vote.

And naturalized immigrants should never be able to hold ANY office anywhere. There's already a push for that. In my view children of naturalized immigrants or legal residents shouldn't be able to hold office.

I feel for all the wives that some have claimed must remain at home to clean house and rear babies. They don't pay tax, don't own homes, can't be military, so should not vote under your above scenario, which makes me wonder if you think they shouldn't vote anyway?

I'm glad the so called Republic did not hold on to these policies you seem to think are new when they are very old indeed and had detrimental effects on non-property owners when implemented, and were abandoned when people became more enlightened, an enlightenment that can no more be darkened, dank gotts.

IbeOkehie:
1) The allusion to race....is a classic go-to for liberals, leftists and progressives.

Yes, Black Americans were disenfranchised by voter ID and property requirements during Jim Crow....50 to 75 years ago....but that doesn't mean that requiring ID or property ownership today is a means of denying Blacks the vote.

I personally think I have not mentioned race nor blacks much less gone for it, and feel you are quick to label one a "classic go-to".

Blacks are not the only ones disenfranchised by property requirements. The homeless are not all black. Should they also not be allowed to vote because they can't provide an address?

kayjordan:
To still reaffirm my initial point - the bible reading and devotional reading is still in vogue and probably even increasing in modern times including church attendance.

I wrote a long tirade about issues raised in your above, but this is the relevant point.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jan/10/its-younger-people-seeking-some-sort-of-spirituality-the-rise-of-uk-bible-sales

Your position is affirmed and is conceded.

We however differ in cause. The japas from Nigeria alone would count for a huge surge in UK Bible sales, and I strongly doubt UK 18-24s are reading Bible as much as is claimed, as that's the age most are laying their future out at uni.

IbeOkehie:
VOTING SHOULD BE RESERVED FOR THOSE WHO CONTRIBUTE TO THE MAINTENANCE OF THE STATE AND SOCIETY.

A problem arises for me when I think of those who must decide what "CONTRIBUTE TO THE MAINTENANCE" means (especially in USA where such decisions have been used in the past in ways I don't approve), and who "THE STATE AND SOCIETY" is in current maga dump land.

Say I sweep street and voted Kamala and fall ill and can't sweep street no more, would I still be considered a contributor to the maintenance of the state?

abc115:
As President Trump pushed U.S. oil companies to commit to invest $100 billion in Venezuela at a White House meeting on Friday, the CEO of ExxonMobil warned the company is far from enlisting, the Washington Post reports.

CEO Darren Woods said that Venezuela is “uninvestable” after Trump asked him how long it would take the firm to restart operations there.

He added that “significant changes have to be made to those commercial frameworks, the legal system, there has to be durable investment protections,” and there needs to be a rewrite of the laws governing oil production in Venezuela.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2026/01/09/trump-oil-executives-venezuela-exxon/

“The math doesn’t work,” said Ed Hirs, an energy economist at the University of Houston. “No oil company is going to invest money in a losing venture.”

https://wapo.st/3LG1Xm5

IbeOkehie:
All democracies should adopt a republican ethos - meaning there should be EARNED QUALIFICATIONS to be able to vote.

This is so anti-history, and is very much like the asking for a king and God saying, ignore them, though I admit at a stretch.

This link has a Repeals/revokes section worth reading.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Representation_of_the_People_Act_1918

This shows what is taught in schools somewhere.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/guides/z9hnn39/revision/2

And this. Let's say for the fun of it or just to see where you might be leading. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_suppression_in_the_United_States

My previous response to you got spambotted here by seun. I apologise on his behalf.

Zohran Mamdani, Mayor of New York City, ordering tenants to pay 10% less rent, is communism!

https://bankingjournal.aba.com/2026/01/aba-associations-respond-to-trumps-call-for-credit-card-rate-cap/