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shadeyinka:
Everything you said that gained was already theirs before their fall

The Whole earth already belong to Adam and Eve as their possession.

They were 419ed by satan!

That is your belief. It is obviously untrue but you'd not open your eyes and see. Its the same way you believe what you believe instead of becoming as an unbelieving child who wonders and learns.

Here's a reminder. The peace of the Lord be upon you.

Why the fuq did you have to quote the whole crap and make me scroll through it again?

Kindly consider the example below for next time instead of making us scroll twice!

JackBizzle:
I did not even read past the first......

I will be grateful.

InvertedHammer:
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You see a content man.

I see food for the nearest crocodile.

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That's perfectly okay. There is no requirement that you see what I see, as you might see here.

shadeyinka:
I am sure you'll agree with me that the consequence of their eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil wasn't singular.

It included apart from spiritual death
1. Banishment from the garden
2. Hardship in surviving
3. Difficulty iñ childbirth
4. Pain and Sickness
5. Physical Death

While not completely agreeing with you since they obviously did not physically die till 800 years afterwards, you missed out:

1. The acquisition of knowledge
2. The acquisition of wisdom
3. The acquisition of freedom
4. The acquisition of their own land
5. A very very long existence upon the land the Lord gave to them.

Reminds me of Kunta Kinte in Roots who preferred being a free man and insisted on not being called Tobi and kept running away until his leg was chopped off. He never gained his freedom nor did generations of his offspring but he became an inspiration to many long after, just as Mary was inspired by Eve to educate her Son.

Here's a clip, but I'd recommend the book.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvitXLDz-PA

Femiblacky, please let me know if you got this.

shadeyinka:
If, there could be spiritual death, why couldn't Adam and Eve death be spiritual? (At least we know that their Physical death didn't take place till about 900 years after their fall)

They did not die spiritually either. If they had died any sort of death as promised, they would not have received the extra punishment of being cursed and cast out of heaven and bearing children because they would have been some sort of dead already, yet, we read they had children and grandchildren and lived to a very ripe old age of 930 years.

BassReeves:
Eve was instructed to obey a simple instruction. Eve was not told to go steal another person's property.

Instructed by whom? A god who wanted to keep her ignorant?

Then I'm very pleased she stole another person's property. Knowledge should be shared and not kept from other people like boko haram does!

BassReeves:
It doesnt only sound foolish to me but it, on top, is full of bullshit and I will advise you to start a fertilizer plant

I am content fertilizing your mind with knowledge and wisdom Reeves, even though you are proving to be barren soil.

BassReeves:
1. Was Eve that joyous, she immediately and confidently shouted Eureka, after eating, the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil?

She seemed joyous enough to call on Adam to come share.

BassReeves:
2. Give me an example of a demonstration of wisdom.

Not spitting, is a demonstrable example of wisdom. Seeing what is before you instead of claiming a Tree of Knowledge is a tree of death is another, as is testing what you are told to believe as scientist Eve did.

BassReeves:
When knowledge speaks. Wisdom listens.

Really? Wisdom listens to knowledge? I guess you are trying to say a wise person listens to a knowledgeable person, at least, that's what a good maths teacher will do. You listen to discover what the student knows to know where to begin their lesson so you don't go teaching calculus to a student who hardly knows algebra. Is that what you mean Reeves?

BassReeves:
A smart thing like the serpent, knows what to say to badly influence, but a wise person would know, whether or not to do the bad thing encouraged to go do.

Actually, a wise person who knows would say "Did that serpent really speak!?"

BassReeves:
A most dangerous person, is one, who listens, thinks and observes. Knowing when to walk away would have been wisdom gained by Eve, not that quasi wisdom you allege she gained.

I guess you think Eve should have just listened to Adam and remain an ignorant slave, but look at her. Naughty Eve, desiring wisdom instead!

BassReeves:
She never had the courage to walk away from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, to end up walk away with her head high, not to be covering up and hiding herself away from the presence of God

Imagine. She wanted knowledge instead so she would not need to be naked and cower anymore. What an amazing Eve!

BassReeves:
Whatever you wish and say to me, will boomerang back and to return back to sender, you, a thousand fold times. So a thousands woe find and visit you there!

If I deserve it, a million. Amen.

BassReeves:
Yes, you are a shameless and cowardly turncoat, skulking in here being up to mischief.

Mischief is asking you to use your brain?

BassReeves:
Tufiakwa. I spit on your 'half the story'

That must be what you think decent people do. Did you learn this as a fruit of the spirit?

BassReeves:
You need to question yourself where and who from you got the nonsensical idea from that the Word enslaves and subjugates.

I don't suppose you realise that my position all along is that God and a proper understanding of Scripture definitely does not enslave nor sunjugate, and that it is ignorance and not eating fruits of knowledge that does that?

Please open your eyes and read!

BassReeves:
You'll have a hard task on your hands, bringing evidence of me ever saying the Word enslaves and subjugates.

So, walking past the tree of knowledge of good and evil but not plucking its fruit to see if you would surely die is not enslavement and subjugation to you?

Well, I guess its not unusual for some to think they are living in heaven when they are living in hell, especially if they claim "on the day you eat" is like 8 centuries later, and the Tree of Knowledge is a tree of death.

BassReeves:
1. What did God tell Adam would happen to him, if or when he eats of the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil?

Are you asking me to go back to the beginning again? You are beginning to be boring, but here goes:

16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

BassReeves:
2. How many cells die daily in our body?

I don't know, but are you claiming the God that created Adam in His own image does not know the difference between Adam and Adam's cells?

BassReeves:
3. How long does it take a rat to die after eating a poisoned cheese?

I don't exactly know since I do not poison rats but let me guess. Is it 800 years?

BassReeves:
Duh. Enemy, was used in a non-literal sense for an optimum rhetorical, sensational and vivid effect.

You don't say, lol.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meKhfr_CjQ0

Dozie32:
Na your stupid and useless parents that are being irresponsible. Thunder your stupid parents and your generation..idiot!!

Yep. Seem you definitely live up to it.

Dozie32:
Buhari is a failure..

Is it Buhari that stops you queuing or are you just being irresponsible?

madridguy:
Subhanalah, see orderliness, no tout, no signs of vote buying or stealing ballot box.

Nigeria of yesterday.

What? Were you fathers not more sensible than this generation?

If we too get sense we can do better.

shadeyinka:
The kingdom of God is when you have His Spirit inside you as you submit to His Lordship. It cannot be conveyed simpler than that!

The Kingdom of God is simply conveyed by you, Shade? Then I put it to you that you must know a lot more than the Son of God who described it in the most complex form below so you don't make the mistake of simply conveying nonsense!

18 Then said he, Unto what is the kingdom of God like? and whereunto shall I resemble it?

19 It is like a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and cast into his garden; and it grew, and waxed a great tree; and the fowls of the air lodged in the branches of it.

20 And again he said, Whereunto shall I liken the kingdom of God?

21 It is like leaven, which a woman took and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.

shadeyinka:
The kingdom of God is the domain where His will, rule, authority and presence is NOT challenged whatsoever.

I will not argue this to be incorrect in anyway whatsoever. The question here is what is "His will
authority and presence", and I am putting it to you that no Almighty God can require His creatures that He created in His very own Image to remain ignorant because God is not ignorant, and ignorant people can not be "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it, and rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground" and be empowered to say "let there be", and there is.

shadeyinka:
At present, the full expression of God's kingdom can only be in YOU until we all fully and bodily dwell in Him in paradise.

I hope you mean paradise on earth, because unless you mean die to the flesh which you are supposed to do right here on earth while you are still living, I'm going to have to pity you for the three score and ten you will be spending on this hellish earth.

shadeyinka:
As far as you are concerned, death can only be Physical and nothing else.

So, the atheist buda that I described to you above as being dead until found by God and that now lives, was not dead enough for you?

Sorry, but I think you and I are done for now. Let me know when you open your eyes and read what has been said here.

shadeyinka:
And like a child I have asked you who claim to know, but got vagueness as answer.

Contrary to what you might think, even I am still learning, which is why I am not a believer who pressumes to know already, or a devil's associate who lies to oneself. And the subject itself is vague, which is why you must [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%207%3A7-8&version=KJV]ask and see and knock[/url] in order to understand instead of [url=https://classic.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James+2%3A19&version=KJV]merely believing and trembling in fear of knowledge like a demon[/url].

Then, on top of that, the ability to comprehend the Kingdom of God is within you yourself, but for some reason you and many many Christians are prone to be seeking it here and there and in Scripture and in preachers in whom you think you will find God in His Kingdom, and in buda, which is why you ask instead of opening your eyes to see for yourself instead of lying to yourself.

I mean, come on! How much more absurd can you get. But amazingly, you go further. Just listen to yourself claiming Adam and Eve died though they went on to live till 930 without you being able to confess that you believe that because you've been told to believe it.

I tell you the truth, if I become like you I will personally take myself to the bottom of a river and bash my head against a rock and drown myself and gouge out my brains and chop up my limbs and scatter them everywhere so that you will not he able to doubt that I am surely most certainly dead in every way you can possible conceive or imagine. But I guess you need to have been dead like atheist buda was. If you had, you would never want to be dead like that again.

shadeyinka:
You refuse to admit that the scriptures speak of other kinds of death in other to maintain your line of reasoning.

You will not understand how kind I am being to you. buda was an atheist from birth. And not the sort who merely believed there was no God, but one who knew categorically that there were no Gods. Please tell, was atheist buda not completely dead in any form you can possible think of or imagine? Then God found buda and buda lives.

I am telling you to now go to the text. You will find that Adam and Eve were nothing like that atheist buda. God does not kill anyone just because they sinned once then tell buda to forgive 7 times 70 times. That would be like asking buda to be more perfect than God, or at least "become like us".

shadeyinka:
The scriptures you quoted are true, only probably misapplied!
No one worships the bible!

I can not possibly convince you that you do worship the Bible. Like most people you can not imagine that the text you read could have been meddled with even before the Hebrews got it, and as if the Romans who took it from the Hebrews could not corrupt it before they gave it to the English and everyone else who might have also corrupted it before giving it to you. You believe all those people are Men of God, so you dare not touch their anointed understanding that they ask you to believe.

But disregard all that. We are grateful for the text we have, corrupted or not, for we would be worse off without it. You then corrupt your own understanding by claiming the Adam and Eve who went on to live for 800 years surely died when they ate of the Fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, which to you is the tree of death.

I tell you the truth Shade, I will be rejoicing in hell at you if I were satan, and will be working diligently to ensure you never accept Christ, though you think you have, least your eyes open and you see that the Bible was made for humans by humans, and not humans for the Bible.

Go on, say buda is "probably missapplying Scripture" instead of listening to the Holy Spirit that is supposed to be within yourself. Lol!

I hope you do not mind. I want your thread on fp because it made my day.

tonye33:
ANOTHER WEIRD MEAL PREPARED BY PAPIWATER BESIDE THE WATERSIDE SIDE. SCROLL TILL THE END

#Noodle_with_frog_friedTilapia_and_periwinkle

So today I came up with a new recipe in my waterside kitchen. Here with me, I made a delicious meal using noodles with frog meat and fried Tilapia fish together with periwinkle, carrot, unripe tomatoes onions and fresh pepper.

Procedures: I steam my periwinkle with a sauce and kept it separate, I steam my frog with pepper onion, salt and maggi, kept it seperate. Boiled my indomie and filter it . Then I added my carrot unripe tomatoes onion pepper and and spices and steam frog then turn it and steam it for 2more mins.I fried my TILAPIA fish and ripe plantain. Then dish everything inside the plate. That's how I arrived at this result below. Thanks and feel free to join me.

Lalasticlala

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tonye33:
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Lalasticlala

This is absolutely wicked. A content man with no worries. Respect.

Know that I will not respond to further commenting from you on that stupid thread.

AntiChristian:
How can I compare to what he's been writing here and everywhere?

So you must emulate him? If he's eating poo will you also eat poo?

Why dance to the tune of the ignorant?

HellVictorinho:
Can't you make sense without quoting the Bible?

Yes Hell, of course I can "make sense without quoting the Bible".

You and I have been talking about how one day going to boko haram with our lyrics and books to save them and not once have I quoted Bible at you I think. Just that when I discuss with people who live by bread alone its easier to reference what they know, which is why I quote Quran when I discuss with Muslims too.

Trust me Hell, nothing will give me more joy than quoting Buddha or Plato or Socrates or Popper or Kant or Heidegger or Aristotle or Gnosticism etc at people who've read them but there seems to be scarcity of such people here. Someone even recently said they heard that last one was poo without bothering to read it themselves, lol.

It's a Buddhist thing, I guess. When you are in Rome, be Roman.

ono:
I know we can't agree that Xibiden rigged his way into the White House. But good luck with trying to change Texas to blue.

You and who can not agree that Biden rigged his way into the White House?

Is it not true that Biden killed 400,000 people with the coronavirus that trump could not handle? Is it not true that Biden raised up the dead to vote for himself? Is it not true that Biden fed you kraken so you would crack up and be yelling voter fraud? Is it not true that trump is the current President of the United States of America. Is it not true that you are unable to use the brain in your head and see with your eyes?

Of course we can agree, ono, of course we can.

ono:
https://www.nrdc.org/stories/what-keystone-pipeline -that should help. Never mind all the thrash about the environment.

This is from your source:

As President-elect Joe Biden prepares to enter the White House, he has signaled that cancelling Keystone XL’s permit will be a top priority.

Do you know what a permit is? Does what you posted in anyway indicate Keystone XL would have been in operation by now if Biden had not cancelled the permit to build it?

ono:
buda,
Read up.

Read up what?

ono:
Bwahahaha.. . . . ."Texans" was misspelt -

Are you like 2 years old?

ono:
You need to take a chill pill and realise that this whole brouhaha about Texas is largely political. But Texans are not swayed by these things.

Really? You mean like Americans were not swayed by 400,000 people dying from coronavirus? I believe you. That is why your man trump is the current President of the United States of America.

My chill pill works till the next Texas election.

shadeyinka:
I still do not know your exact position on this!

How can you possibly know when you can not become as a child and see with your eyes?

shadeyinka:
Don't you think that if man has become like God in the knowledge of good and evil, then man should be wise and not require the coming of Jesus 4000 years after eating of the fruit?

You should go and study the history of human beings to get an idea how far we have come. But satan never tires and is diligently at work holding us back. Just see how you twist "on the day you eat you wil surely die" to 800 years later, and call the The Tree of Knowledge the tree of death. It's like you refuse to use your eyes which is the greatest desire of satan, and to make it worse, you will claim to have the greatest optician, Jesus Christ the Messiah, in your life! Are you sure you have had mud rubbed in your eyes and bathed in the pool of Siloam so that you may see?

shadeyinka:
Has man truely been blessed with knowledge?

"For God so loved the world, that God gave us the only Begotten Son, that whomsoever understandeth his teachings shall live". (bav)

That is how blessed we are. But unfortunately for us, we crucify Jesus daily instead of seeking understanding. It's like some want to be stupid if you asked me. If not, Woe!

shadeyinka:
But why was God angry with man for "choosing Knowledge"?

I will tell you again. Listen carefully.

Hear, O Shadeyinka, the Word of God according to Scripture.

1 And God spake all these words, saying,

2 I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

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6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

God alone must you worship. Not a book!

ono:
You guys are the ones making a big deal of these things about Texas. The average Texans is even happy to see snow, ..

Are you serious? Average Texan is happy their house is flooded? That the content of their freezer is all spoilt? That their electric bill is through the roof? That some died? Are you sure you are not the one who is happy because others are suffering?

ono:
The Keystone XL project from what I read ....

In Qanon? The same place you read that "the average Texans is even happy"?

Ono, please accept by apology for bothering you.

OtemAtum:
When I say God Almighty, I'm talking about the Totality of Existence. I'm not talking of a single being like Jehovah or any religious gods.

I bet you are finding it difficult to get around the beliefs of those who see God Almighty as Jehovah, Allah, or any old tribal God.

Has a different name been revealed to Otem?

ono:
That Keystone XL project, if completed, would have gone a long way to assuage the current deficit in energy availability across the country - not just Texas alone. The dumb, chinese arse licking Quid Pro Joe killed it.

Still, you would need to convince me (with references pleade) that the Keystone XL project could have been completed before this current debacle occured if Biden had not stopped it.

Are you aware that this is not the first time Texas has had this problem?

shadeyinka:
1. What then do you understand by:
Gen 2:17:
"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, you shall not eat of it: for in the day that you eat thereof you shall surely die."?

Are you asking me to repeat a position I began with you on this very thread and which BassReeves took up as your ally? Sorry, but I do not waste my time like that!

shadeyinka:
2. Satan said:
You will not surely die...
You will be like God...

Is satan speaking the truth?

Unless Adam and Eve surely died on the day that they ate, and if it is not true that even the God recognised that "Man has become like us", it would seem so. But I did warn you that if satan could meddle in the Garden of Eden then satan could meddle with the text we read. If that were not the case the Word of God would have ended before Jesus and there would have been no need for the Holy Spirit.

shadeyinka:
3. Why do you think God desires to perpetually keep man in ignorance?

If Jesus Christ was ignorant He would have bowed down and worshipped satan and we'd have no Messiah.

An Almighty God, Creator of Heaven and Earth, can not desire to keep humans in ignorance for a second not to talk of perpetually unless that God is stupid and wants humans to fall prey to serpents. Instead, [url=https://classic.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Proverbs+1%3A20-23&version=KJV]God set Wisdom on top of a rooftop yelling at you "come get some"![/url]

shadeyinka:
All Exams contain potential to convey Failure or Success!

In this case, there was a prior warning.

Gen 2:17:
"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, you shall not eat of it: for in the day that you eat thereof you shall surely die."

It's like saying "this is poison" on the day you eat of it, you shall die.

That tree carries something within it that kills, hence it is ALSO the tree of death.

Oh. So despite the fact they lived like 800 years after they ate of the Fruit of Knowledge of Good and Evil before they died, you call it the tree of death? Ok.

Lord God, please do not ever allow buda to believe what Shadeyinka believes. And consider making Shadeyinka sacrifice all to acquire understanding.

In Jesus Mighty Name I beg thee. Amen.

Goodvibes007:
Bunch of doofus those GOP.
About 56 percent of Texas' energy comes from natural gas, just under 24 percent comes from wind, 19 percent from coal, and almost 9 percent from nuclear energy. Yet they blame renewables. Dunces.

They do not want to face reality, but then what would one expect from senseless individuals?

I got one telling me the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil is the tree of death, so I'm not surprised they die of their ignorance.

https://www.nairaland.com/6404876/waging-bet-against-impossible-statistical/8#99277341

ono:
Will you blame anyone for not investing in making their plants ready for “winter in Texas”? Have you any idea what it will takes to do that - capital wise, in the face of dwindling fortunes in the business ?

Yes, ono, I blame Texas. If they had believed in climate change they'd have built in sufficient redundancy to cope with the unexpected regardless of cost because not building it in costs more in lives lost as we are now finding out.

Bottom line: did wind underperform the expectations of planners? Yes by about 2,000 megawatts. Was this a big deal in terms of the Texas outages? No, because the total power system shortfall approximated over 30,000 megawatts. Wind was only responsible for 2,000 megawatts of that deficit.
https://wolfstreet.com/2021/02/18/whos-to-blame-for-the-texas-power-crisis/

shadeyinka:
You are correct in that God must have known that Adam and Eve would eat of the the tree of death.

I was not aware that you too agree that theTree of Knowledge of Good and Evil is also the tree of death, Shade! Is this nonsense contagious or something?

Does Knowledge kill?