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Ladyhippolyta88:
@bold,
The point is very simple separate religion from policies and secular societies.Learn to respect human choices and be tolerant you dissuade her from it it will still be her choice to make with or without you.Since we wanna be sincere feminism not just modern feminism did no benefit to you as a christian woman because feminism amd christianity as you pointed out is not supported by the bible.You need to stop linking feminism to christianity you cannot say modern feminism did not benefit christian women on which basis and context are you making this general assertion can you speak for all women?Do you even know the advocacy feminism is still advocating for today?if you wanna term it modern feminism I will still term it modern christianity since some christian practices of today is different from biblical times.Abortion has been a topic of advocacy since the 20th century and was legal in those countries at the time will you term the 20th century advocacy for abortion modern feminism even some non feminist have logical reasons for supporting abortion.How many religious places till today advice family planning?It is high time you learn to separate health care from these things.

My interest on the topic is simple I came across it in a non religious section and in a public forum.

Xavfra:
oneitis syndrome is a true reality.... what's bad about it?

Hanty!

Xavfra:
Hanty!!!


Your submissions on red pill is wrong....
Red pill talks about the fault of men and doesn't even encourage pre-marital sex as you think .....
And red pill does not hate women

RisenPhoenix1:
Lol. Your article creates more questions than answers. It seems specially designed to provoke debate.

Ladyhippolyta88:
Because it is a public forum it is not in religion section to meet the targeted audience so don't be surprised if people like me step in here.Also the pastor is in his church this is a public forum and even some will still argue that God does not look at the dressing abd we were born naked even in times of old they were not fully clothed but God only looks at the heart and not physical outwardness.

You did because your interpretation is a view of yours which can be agreed or disagreed upon using the same bible which has been reviewed and some will argue has been changed too.

Ladyhippolyta88:
My point exactly what brought the need to weigh them when you clearly know these movements did not come about in biblical times and human reality and life evolves and us different so to what end exactly?Is it to discredit the movement which some have benefitted from?you cannot speak for everybody and there are people who may have personally been positively impacted by such movement

zoputa:
Many of us love to sing songs to God, but I want your contributions on if singing christian songs in Secular way is bad? What I mean is: for example if someone uses like high-life or rap or Fuji or reggae or ogene or afrobeat pattern of singing for christian songs. Again, is it bad to use zanku dance in praising God?

AntiChristian:
Then you'll now ask if it's okay to dance "gbese" or "tesumole" in church?

Or is twerking accepted?

He no concern me o

Ishilove:
See as the article finished women.

I agree with the writer that the church is not doing enough to curb the moral decadence ravaging our society. Every Sunday I marvel at the preponderance of churches in every street corner, yet the society is not manifesting the virtues of Christianity.

Ladyhippolyta88:
3.I have no issue with you I saw a thread and decided to jump in.Mischievious in the sense that you misconstrued feminism and tried to bring your own interpretation to something that is practiced and you may not clearly understand but seem to be an Alpha and omega on the subject.


You should have taken this to religion section instead.I don't care what you use my only concern is that you are mixing philosophies with holybooks that have been written years ago when you clearly know that life evolves and our realities are different there is no need to put religious colouration on it especially on issues that happens outside of religion.People and scholars that invented secularity were not stupid it is because of things like this that made such invention necessary and practiced in a liberal democracy.

Ladyhippolyta88:
And like I said it is not in your place to argue that for everybody because there are people that will argue this with you and bring interpretations about their narrative.You are also overstepping by trying to use your own view on others and what they should term as christian or not?Is democracy,science christian?my point is simple life evolves and change is constant so there are certain things common sense tells us should not be mixed with religion

This was not in religious section so I found my way here and decided to add my input

Ladyhippolyta88:
1.And I explained how feminism evolves and is subject to country and how homosexuality is not the same as feminism

2.It depends because the old testament is a part of the bible and christianity and there are verses in the bible both old and new testament we no longer adhere to or practice in today's world so yes things evolve and religion does or should too because it is not hidden knowledge that the bible has be reversed,re-written and even edited.

3.So why then are you being mischievious by trying to shitt on feminism using the bible?I am glad that you admit the bible can be twisted just as you are doing now I have no objection to your number 3

4.Like I said Nigeria by law is a secular society it should act like one and the society should be one because there are different beliefs of many people and I don't think it is healthy to mux religion with philosophy some will argue that religion is also philosophy

Ladyhippolyta88:
1.Christianity is a religion and perfectly fits the description of what religion is.I don't have time to argue illusion about it not being a religion

2.Science does not agree with christianity Science tells us that the earth is spherical the bible says the earth has 4 corners.Science tells us we evolved and are animals and Dinosaurs once existed the bible tells us something different and many more in the mind of a fanatic it is anti-christian in the USA religious fanatics have argued that evolution and science should not be taught because it is anti-christian.Same can be said about nothing being wrong with feminism or christianity but it depends on how you use it.

3.You just said you did not write the bible so what gave you the right or authority to choose what philosophy is christian.The bible over time has been written,rewritten and edited so how do you interpret the bible do you take the literal approach?The bible is subject to different human interpretations and religion is influenced by culture so what makes you think your own interpretation of the holy book is supreme you seem to forget that there are many denominations of christianity and as such results in different interpretations

4.Religious fanatism came into the discussion when you tried to claim superior authority on who a christian is and what philosophies christianity supports and does not who gave you such authority?It spans from fanatism

Ladyhippolyta88:
1. What do you mean by modern feminism and how does homosexuality relate with feminism?Also feminism is different in every society because what is advocated for is different depending on the society.

2. Also Christianity is influenced by culture and the environment it is practised religion shpuld evolve to fit modern realities.

3. There was no time feminism aligned with the bible before the time of the first wave feminism a lot of scholars and strong men used christianity and religion as a reason for holding women back be sincere with yourself.

4. It is high time people stop mixing social issues with religious books that have been written years ago that may or may not meet with modern realities because life must definitely evolve.

Ladyhippolyta88:
When I was a christian I did.

I see religion as something personal between me and my God I don't mix both if it were so many christians would have discarded science a long time ago since they needed to pick a side.It is not in your place to pick what is anti-christian I don't like religious fanatism I see humans before anything else in my relationship with people.

angelfallz:
1. The 1st bolded, i strongly disagree.
2. The 2nd bolded, TRP is for men. I believe there are books that teach women how to understand the nature of men.
3. The 3rd bolded, a lot. for example, it teaches men to focus and develop themselves, to invest in themselves.
4. The 4th bolded, no i would not call them red pillers. But you can not deny that men of old understood women, hence the various rules and traditions that were put in place to tame women's hypergamous nature. The men of old understood what it took to be a man, and embraced all the responsibilities that came with it, likewise the women.

5. You really need to read the book, just to understand the red pill. The blog is very structured and its too big for anyone to read and digest.

6. The last bolded, if TRP teaches men how to understand women's nature, how does that stop a man from being a Christian?

Liposure:
I find your opinion a bit biased. Christianity is a religion and religion is the opium of the people. You cannot use one belief to judge a whole movement or philosophy. Christianity albeit a religion started like the feminism and redpill movement we are witnessing today. A free, irreligious, logical, rational, perspective would have been better.

Ladyhippolyta88:
Thank you well said.

No need to mix the issues

LordKO:
Quite an articulated post. I believe, however, that every crass and opportunistic or self-absorbing person personifies toxicity (if not evil) whether or not the person professes/identifies with Christianity/Religion, Red Pill, or Feminism. Unfortunately, they make up the majority in these circles.

I doff my hat to all conscientious men and women whether or not they identify with any organized religion, ideological movement, or dogmatic ideology.

Love is the greatest refreshment in life, and conscientious people are the personification of love. Jesus Christ, whom Christians modeled their religion on, is/was a conscientious human being.

angelfallz:
Lovely write up Bukatyne

But i must address your definition of TRP and what you feel it is all about.
TRP does not teach men how to game women. There is a whole other teaching on how to game women, which is called "GAME". It is different from TRP.
TRP teaches men about Solipsism of women, how to identify it and how to handle it. It also teaches men to put focus and develop themselves. Now, i know i have corrected you before about your definition or what you perceive to be TRP, obviously you did not believe me. So maybe you can download and read this book, ""The Rational Male; Positive Masculinity" by Rollo Tomassi

https://www.pirate-bay.net/search?q=the+rational+male+by+Rollo+Tomassi?q=the+rational+male+by+Rollo+Tomassi

Also, i like the way you tried to differentiate between modern feminism and the 'so called first wave feminism', those women that fought for equal opportunities.
I have stated before, not to you though, that those women never called themselves feminists(i stand to be corrected) they were never known as feminists, rather they were known as suffragettes, there were also others that fought for 'equal pay for equal'.

it is these modern feminists that co-opted their fight and triumphs, in order to gain recognition or whatever and called them the first feminists.
If you go back to the past to any of the suffragettes and told them they were feminists, they would not know what you are talking about.

I believe you should have just focused on the true evil, which if feminism, it never was and it never will be a good thing.

sweetmelanin:
Nice write-up Buka.

1. Although, I think the Nigerian version of the "red pill" is highly misconstrued.. the movement is supposed to represent a mass awakening of men into the realisation that they've been handed a bad deal in modern relationships and marriage.

2. We live in a time where the very essence of masculinity is being branded as toxic/misogyny.. men are not allowed live in their true nature anymore, yet are still expected to remain traditionally chivalrous.. still providing and protecting women who are now supposedly "equal" to men and told to forgo their own nature to nurture the home and submit under her husband's authority.

3. ..the many subgroups within the redpill movement all have a common goal .. and that is to reject the terrible aftermath of modern feminism as you have clearly explained in your write-up i.e.increased abortions (murder), rude, bitter and promiscous women, broken homes, displaced children, enmity between man and woman etc...

4. Too bad Nigerians have hijacked the term red pill as a excuse for throwing profanity and spreading sexual decadence.. Makes it hard for anti 'modern-feminism' women like myself to truly take a stance against the absolute depravity feminism has become.

YourCoffin:
The clash of three philosophies. The best option is either to adopt none or that which suits your agenda.

DontBullshitMe:
Depends on which type of Christianity you practice.

Some Bible verses strongly endorse a few redpill teachings.

ImaIma1:
The concept of the redpill especially in Nigeria and on Nairaland symbolizes hatred, disdain and bitterness towards the opposite, and that cannot be Christian.

Most of them come across as atheists. And I doubt that the ones who are Christians even understand that their redpill cannot coexist with christianity.

Wisdom is profitable to direct.

gaius01:
Arrrrrrrh

Absolutely defined.
More grace !!!

engrtee:
Which one is more effective

Ekakamba:

Mindlog:
Well captured and ended with an appropriate passage from the Bible, Colossians 2:8

See to it, then, that no one enslaves you by means of the worthless deceit of human wisdom, which comes from the teachings handed down by human beings and from the ruling spirits of the universe, and not from Christ. (Good News Translation)

Kelvin3476:
Nailed