₦airaland Forum

Xavfra:
Thank you

De nada
(A little Spanish lingo there)

OruExpress:
In a country where we complain so much about corruption, and 'godfathers', I think money bags can't hijack capitalism and are far harder to dislodge than a dictator? We have gotten rid of our dictators, but oligarchs are stronger than ever.

Nigeria is a kleptocracy

BabaRamota1980:
America has a hybrid system. Capitalism for those that want to own others, socialism for those that will be owned.

America is capitalist. Capitalism is an economic system under which the means of production are privately owned. Everything is privately owned in US including things we take for granted are controlled or owned by govt.

OruExpress:
Capitalist countries like...?

Ask Nigerians what are their top 5 countries to emigrate to. Those countries

truthfulparrot:
epic reply

And totally true. Thanks

VirginFinder:
I need to go to bed. My wife is getting angry already...

I have enjoyed the debate.

It may take a while before I come online tomorrow (later today)...

@CanadaorBust please release me. Thank you.

Goodnight all. May the LORD wake us up hale and hearty.

Ok my bro. At least now u KNOW the letter of the law regardless of what any judge chooses to rule or not rule: SEX WITH ANYONE UNDER 18 IS A CRIME THAT CAN FETCH YOU UP TO LIFE IMPRISONMENT!
God bless, and don’t forget to collect your L

VirginFinder:
Thank you my brother!

Infact aside the word 'liable' absent in section 7(2), only section 7 (2) contains the word 'sentence'. Others dont:

U can’t possibly be this slow. You are discussing punishment AFTER conviction. What we are discussing here is what LEADS TO conviction NOT wether the person is “sentenced” or given a car AFTER conviction.
We are NOT debating the right punishment for defilement, what we are debating is what is defilement. One has nothing to do with the other!

DontBullshitMe:
Even though it pains me to type : I think VirginFinder's argument seems to be more solid.

The "liable" clause that was added suggests that circumstances will be considered which might include parental and victim's consent, religious inclination and culture. Anyhow the lawyer wants to twist it.

As for 11 and below, nothing of such.

Cc CanadaorBust VirginFinder

The “liable” pertains to punishment AFTER u are convicted. It does not have any effect on wether u r convicted or not. U r convicted because it is proved u committed defilement and not because u “either shall or liable to” get life imprisonment or slap on the wrist!”

VirginFinder:
Stop this bro. Our opinions here don't matter. The courts and judges know what it is - 11.

I am for age of consent to be pegged at 18 provided the lady in question is still a virgin.

Where the lady in question is no longer a virgin, she should be adjudged to be able to give consent.

Nigeria papers who have analyzed it in print all agree the written age of consent is 18. You yourself indicated that judges don’t always follow the written law

VirginFinder:
Based on what lawyers and activists have said and the recent court rulings, the age of consent is 11.
What I read in section 7 is too technical to be interpreted by a layman in legal matters like me and is of no consequence altogether.
I have to rely on what legal ogas-at-the-top say.

Yet u know enough to know 7. (2) is categorical.
What we are debating here is what is on the books as the age of consent NOT what was ruled in any case or cases!

VirginFinder:
You missed the point. Those who drafted the law are smarter than you are. And they deliberately drafted it that way to deceive you into believing that the age of consent is 18.

When they say smokers are liable to die young, does it mean they all die young

But if they say, smokers shall die young, isn't that a categorical statement on what awaits a smoker

Hahahahahaha

You can’t be this slow.
THAT DEALS WITH PUNISHMENT!!!
Here is the correct analogy:
“If u r convicted of smoking u will die young”
Whether u r convicted of smoking or not is NOT dependent on dying young.
Anything can be the punishment for smoking, it doesn’t matter!

VirginFinder:
Because they all reported the same thing. They can't all be wrong!

From the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses, we establish the truth...

Even if you give us your own "accurate" reportage. It won't fly!

How many times have newspapers all reported something that was later found to be false. Didn’t all papers report corona could not go person to person? They all got it from one source - WHO

VirginFinder:
The age of consent is 11.

I met the phrase "Temper justice with mercy" in this life. I am not the coiner!

Judges are free to temper justice with mercy while following the law...

They deliver their judgements based on the law but may sentence as they wish...

Reading sec 7 u arrive at the conclusion that age of consent is 11. U swear that in your honor?

VirginFinder:
The age of consent is 11.

I met the phrase "Temper justice with mercy" in this life. I am not the coiner!

Judges are free to temper justice with mercy while following the law...

They deliver their judgements based on the law but may sentence as they wish...

And from your reading of sec 7 it spells it out clearly that age of consent is 11? You say that as an honest family man?

VirginFinder:
They do! But they temper justice with mercy while delivering their judgments based on the law. They will convict the accused where he is found guilty but may decide to give him a milder a sentence at their discretion.

But they won't change the law or alter it.

Section 7 (2) of the sexual offences bill of 2015 makes it clear that the age of consent is 11.

Tell me that as an honest man, you truly believe:
Section 7 (2) of the sexual offences bill of 2015 makes it clear that the age of consent is 11.

VirginFinder:
In fact, I am surprised that you guys are still desperately grasping unto straws...

Who argues with valid court judgments especially that of the Supreme Court

Supreme Court also made Uzodinma gov despite it was clear he did forgery.

THE QUESTION IS WHAT IS THE AGE OF CONSENT??
NOT what is ruled in any particular case or cases.
Answer honesty, from your reading of sec 7 what does it say is the age of consent?

VirginFinder:
It's very tricky actually...



Study the bolded well. There lies the difference between section 7 (2) and the rest.

I know u r not retarded.
What u highlighted deals with PUNISHMENT AFTER THE FACT not age of consent (even assuming there is a difference between “shall” and “liable to” - which there is not!)

VirginFinder:
The dailies have given their reports of the proceedings of that judgment. What they have reported is what the world is reading not your opinion.

You are to prove that they gave false reports. Nevertheless, it remains ordinary academic exercise... It doesn not change anything. It won't raise the age of consent from 11 to 18.

U r the one who said their reportage is accurate.
HOW DO U KNOW?

VirginFinder:
Fixed! The courts and lawyers interpret it that way. And there are 2 valid court judgments to back my point up...

Straw man.
QUESTION IS WHAT IS THE AGE OF CONSENT??
NOT what is ruled in any particular case or cases.
You yourself was the first to indicate that judges don’t always follow the law!

VirginFinder:
Exactly what should be a source of concern

Yinusa too was not sentenced to life imprisonment...

U r the one who said it is categorical.
I wanted u to Indicate your own fallacy yourself. And u have!
THE QUESTION IS WHAT IS THE AGE OF CONSENT??
NOT what is ruled in any particular case.
U have now admitted it yourself: judges don’t always follow the written law!

VirginFinder:
Hey! I don't live on Nairaland. You disappeared for over one hour after I made my last post. So I should be waiting for you and not do what I have to do
I am a family man FYI...

Wonders shall never end! U still haven’t disappeared ??!! I know there is pride but this is ridiculous

Charleys:
Well this is the third time I've seen this happen.
I've seen it happen twice in my former job.

Now I'm seeing it happen again.
A man will loose his job, then the wife will become the bread winner but it won't last for a year, the man in his brokenness impregnates the wife, then the wife is relieved of her duties by foreigners who were paying her very well then it's back to square one.

I don't know if anyone have seen this happen before.

This is my third.

Then the lady will start calling me to help them. Because I was their colleague.

Ok, I see how e consign u.
But u should have said it b4

Khalil1103:
No mind am.... Say na no 6 go shock us and u no put 6.....


LA click La bend
Charleys

I’ve fixed it. Look again

6. Mary Queen Of English

Mary I, born on 18 February 1516 and died on 17 November 1558. She was Queen of England and Ireland from July 1553 until her death.

Her brutal persecution of Protestants caused her opponents to give her the sobriquet “Bloody Mary”.

She was the only surviving child born of the ill-fated marriage of Henry VIII and his first wife Catherine of Aragon.

Mary is chiefly remembered for temporarily and violently returning England to Catholicism.

Many prominent Protestants were executed for their beliefs leading to the moniker “Bloody Mary”. Fearing the gallows a further 800 Protestants left the country, unable to return until her death.

5. Belle Gunness

Standing six feet tall and weighing over 91 kg, a physically strong woman, Belle Gunness was one of America’s most degenerate and productive female serial killers.

She was an imposing and powerful woman of Norwegian descent.

It is likely that she killed both her husbands and all of her children at different times, but it is certain that she murdered most of her suitors, boyfriends, and her two daughters, Myrtle and Lucy.

The motive was greed-pure and simple; life insurance policies and assets stolen or swindled from her suitors became her source of income. Most reports put her death toll at more than twenty victims over several decades, with some claiming in excess of one hundred.

Inconsistencies during her post mortem examination; the corpse was reported to be two inches shorter than Belle’s six feet, paved the way for Belle Gunnes to enter American criminal folklore, a female Bluebeard.

4. Mary Ann Cotton

Britain’s first serial killer, Mary Ann Cotton, born in October 1832 in Low Moorsley, County Durham. Married at age twenty to William Mowbray, the newlyweds settled in Plymouth, Devon, to start their family. The couple had five children, four of whom died of ‘gastric fever and stomach pains’.

Moving back to the north-east, tragedy seemed to follow them; three more children born, three more children died. William soon followed his offspring, dying of an ‘intestinal disorder’ in January 1865. British Prudential promptly paid a 35 pound dividend, and a pattern was established.

Her second husband, George Ward, died of intestinal problems as well as one of her two remaining children. The power of the press, always a force to be reckoned with, caught up with Mary Ann.

The local newspapers discovered that as Mary Ann moved around northern England, she lost three husbands, a lover, a friend, her mother and a dozen children, all dying of stomach fever. She was hangedfoe her evil did at Durham County Gaol, March 24, 1873, for murder by arsenic poisoning. She died slowly, the hangman using too short a drop for a ‘clean’ execution.

3. Ilse Koch

Born on 22 September 1906, Ilse Koch, known as “Die Hexe von Buchenwald” the Witch of Buchenwald, or “Buchenwälder Schlampe” the Bitch of Buchenwald, was the wife of Karl-Otto Koch.

She was one of the first prominent Nazis to be tried by the US military. Drunk on the absolute power rendered by her husband, she reveled in torture and obscenity.

Infamous for her souvenirs; tattoos taken from the murdered inmates, her reputation for debauchery was well earned.

After building an indoor sports arena in 1940, with 250,000 marks stolen from inmates, Ilsa was promoted to Oberaufseherin or “chief overseer” of the few female guards at Buchenwald. She committed suicide by hanging herself at Aichach women’s prison on September 1, 1967.

2. Katherine Knight

Born on 24 October 1955 and continues to serve life long sentence in the prison, Katherine Mary Knight was the first Australian woman to be sentenced to life imprisonment without parole. She had a history of violence in relationships.

She mashed the dentures of one of her ex-husbands and slashed the throat of another husband’s eight-week-old puppy before his eyes.

A heated relationship with John Charles Thomas Price became public knowledge with an Apprehended Violence Order that Price had filed against Knight and ended with Knight stabbing Price to death with a butcher’s knife.

He had been stabbed at least 37 times, both front and back, with many of the wounds penetrating vital organs. this evill woman then skinned him and hung his “suit” from the door frame in the living room, cut off his head and put it in the soup pot, baked his buttocks, and prepared gravy and vegetables to accompany the ‘roast’.

1. Elizabeth Bathory

Born in 1560 and dying in 1614, Countess Elizabeth Báthory de Ecsed was a countess from the renowned Báthory family of nobility in the Kingdom of Hungary.

She has been labeled the most prolific evil serial killer in history, although the number of murders is debated, and is remembered as the “Blood Countess”.

Also, she was the infamous serial killer of Hungary. She used to k**l peasant girls through severe beatings, burning, mutilation of body parts, chewing off the face, etc.

She was on house arrest and was not put to trial because of her status!

Mdaz:
*BREAKING: NAFDAC FINALLY APPROVES PAX HERBAL REMEDY FOR COVID-19*

The Director of the Pax Herbal Clinic and Research Laboratories, Ewu, Edo State, Nigeria, Rev. Fr. Anslem Adodo, OSB, has announced that NAFDAC has finally approved their Herbal remedy for the Treatment of symptoms associated with COVID-19.

Fr Anselm Adodo said, "after a series of screening, spanning eight weeks, NAFDAC has today approved our PAXHERBAL Covid-19 herbal drug, PAXHERBAL CUGZIN, for public use. It is the first to be so approved and presently the only one. The drug is specifically for treating the symptoms associated with the coronavirus."

See more...

https://fadakay.org/breaking-nafdac-approves-pax-herbal-remedy-for-covid-19/

What is the NAFDAC number

Charleys:
There's this guy, he is just a lesson teacher.
He does lessons until the lockdown.
Meanwhile he has a wife and a kid.

So the wife has a job, during the lockdown the wife was getting paid and was helping the family i.e the kid, husband and the Mum.

This guy has now impregnated the woman now.

She has been the only help to the family. I'm not sure schools will open this year, so the husband can start his extra morale classes.

Secondly how will she cope because definitely she'll be sacked because the foreigners won't let her continue.

Is this the right time to have a child in such situation?

Begs the question: HOW E TAKE CONSIGN U??

Nothing.
Just that people are dying to enter capitalist countries while Social countries have to use coercion to keep their people from leaving!

PoliteActivist:
VirginFinder, bros, you tried but you should know when to give it up.
There is no mention of consent anywhere nor is there any mention of there being more than one definition for defilement depending on age!(1)

Oh he knows he has lost, that’s why he has stopped. He has humbly collected his L and disappeared. I could have defeated him long ago if I wanted because I knew he set up a straw man but I pretended not to see it.

VirginFinder:
Section 7 (2) A person who commits an offence of defilement with a child aged eleven years or less shall upon conviction be sentenced to imprisonment for life.

Only this section is categorical.

If it’s so categorical how come u don’t see anyone sentenced to life? How come the person below was not sentenced to life??

VirginFinder:
When the person in question is below 18, it is called defilement.

Once below 18 it is called defilement regardless of age because they are too young to give consent. Once consent comes into consideration it is called RAPE!

VirginFinder:
That is mere speculation.

It is not the case here.

That’s mere speculation on your part too

VirginFinder:
I had shown you the below earlier:



https://allafrica.com/stories/201506170104.html

Section 7 (2) is different from the other sections based on the bolded aspect.

These are part the reasons why the courts are basing their judgments on the fact that the age of consent is 11 and not 18.

What’s the difference? Spell it out. Educate us