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pDudd:
You're very right my brother. Excellent reply.

The fragmented family unit of the AA community almost always yields fragments families in the next generation and those thereafter. It's a sad situation.

Like you implied, it will take conscious and determined effort to break free of the AA mentality as concerns family Dynamics

How positive. Nairalanders ought learn from this: discussions and arguments don’t have to be confrontational and full of insults

chigoizie7:
If you had read my other comments on this very thread, you will see where I mentioned something like, “ those who didn’t grow or have fathers will never know the importance of one, as such will not make a good one”. It applies to those who do not have good homes. Those who do not have that family orientation. An average AA doesn’t value the family settings where fathers and mothers work together for the betterment of their kids. They always take the easy ways out, most of the men are always willing to be good fathers, but the sassy ness,loud mouthed ness and other vices of an AA wouldn’t let them. An AA woman is vindictive in nature. Now I know that the society made them that way, it’s a vicious cycle. But it is high time they start asking themselves questions so as to solve their problems.




Now I will tell you. A man (drunkard) had twins( boys). One became a drunkard just like the father, the other vowed never to be like the father. Now these are two people faced with the same situation but acted differently.

The AA woman should have learnt by now that they are partly one of the bigger problems of the AA in general.

This is actually quite insightful tho a bit biased against BAW.
@bolded, so why do u think each acted the way he did?

baralatie:
it is good that you raised this up.
like it is expected you the left out this fact
for every 750000 black American women out of 1000000 in the United State of America who is a single mother in your analysis has 750000 black American Men who is responsible for that condition.

Yeah but who brought up the BAM to be like that?
Answer: BAW!
That’s his point

pDudd:
Ok so therefore you understand the situation then.

It's easy for us Nigerians to criticize them without walking in their shoes.

When I was young in primary school, I will bring home excellent report cards with like 4th or 5th positions. My dad will be asking me if the person that carried first had 2 heads.

One of my AA classmates in school told me that right from when she was little, her mom used to tell her to stop wasting her time with school because she will never make it.

See the difference in our situations?

This is sooo true

pDudd:
Even if they are that way (many actually are), the media portrayal is excessive. In every movie that has an AA women, they are portrayed as loud and sassy. So you watch these movies and believe that ALL of them are that way which isn't always true.

This is true

VULCAN:
Since you prefer to discuss a symptom than the cause of the disease let's agree to disagree.

Also your final assertion is very untrue. The destruction of the Black Family began over 400yrs ago when slavers began separating families for economic reasons. The black woman was a big victim then. When slavery ended that ended as well

Dividing the Black Family was restarted in the 60'/70s by Democratic governments who realised that the best way to keep the blacks down was to entice their women with money to live without a husband. That is when Black women became complicit and enablers of the destruction of Black Families. They began to choose money over men. The results are now clear for the whole world to see.

If you are unaware of these things then it is because you know little of Black American history and I suggest you pick up a book or two instead of carrying on with the radical feminists narrative that absolves Black women of their responsibility in the Black Family Holocaust.

Black Men were raised by Black Women. If they are unable to commit to their women and are irresponsible then the problem can be found in their upbringing.

You don't want to deal with that painful reality so let's respectfully end the conversation as I don't really wanna keep on arguing with a person who hasn't studied the topic for themselves.

Have a nice day.

This actually is a very good write-up

virginpulp5:
We know the COVID-19 pandemic has intensified the health inequities historically marginalized and oppressed communities already experience.

This is ridiculous. If u eat only fast food because it tastes good, think vegetables are nasty, rarely get excercise because it is work, don’t go for medical check-up unless very sick, ignore underlying medical conditions as long no symptoms, you are more likely to die or hospitalized if u catch Covid!

DrFunmisticGlow:
the context is African american.

Terryishere doesn’t realize he’s not making sense. Many Nigerian American women were raised entirely by their BAW mothers just as many BAW were raised by their foreign fathers or even raised abroad. At a point u have to stop splitting hairs and know they are all BAW.

pDudd:
Ok, makes sense

Thanks. U bees cool

Terryishere:
You don't have to show me a picture of Adam Clayton Powell, I know my history. Adam Clayton Powell was a man of mixed heritage who live doing the time of Jim Crow and the ONE drop of black blood made you black rule, not a law but a rule to keep the white race pure.

That doesn't exist anymore, saying he was a black man is the same as saying Mariah Carey is a black woman which she is not. That's why they have biracial or other on the US census now.

It takes 2 white parents to make a white child just as it takes 2 black parents to make a.black child

That doesn't exist anymore?? Stop arguing nonsense. See below

Terryishere:
#1 By your logic of a black American woman being BAW would include the 70% of.black Americans this topic is about i.e. Africans, Caribbeans,.Hispanics. So the 70% of single black women in the states includes Africans/Nigerians.

#2 Obama is not a full black man, that's impossible, a white woman can't give birth to a black child, he's biracial. Stop trying to replace black people with mixed race people.

#1 I don’t know what u mean. A woman born and raised in US is a BAW. Simple

#2 From what I know American system does not work like that. See below

Not good

cococandy:
Okay whatever you say you’re correct.

I’ve told myself I won’t waste my time doing these NL back and forths anymore. I don’t know why I still come back to it once in a while.

You won’t convince me and I won’t convince you. No need spending my afternoon typing at you when it’s not penetrating.

I hear ya. Same here.
Well u come back to it once in a while because u find it fun.
Also u get to present your views and counter blatant lies that people would believe if you were not there to counter them

pDudd:
Ok it seems you have a different opinion because you are dissatisfied by my answer.

Let's hear your opinion if you don't mind.

You already gave them among your answers only that u kept insisting on slavery:

Govt policies OF RECENT and
Mass incarceration of black men OF RECENT
(By “of recent” I mean long after slavery, 1900’s)

freshkpomo:
Yet someone is saying we should not blame 2020!

This year is like an angel of death, if you survive it, just throw a big party after party...

Together we can make Nigeria better

Nigerian youths drop your differences and unite.


God bless Nigeria.

U r assuming next year will be better - China already has another pandemic virus from swine doing push up as we speak

kikero:
They suspended flights from China, but crucially, not from other countries who had not suspended flights from China..And the thing was, as we now know, running ramapnt in other countries apart from China by then



How many Nigerians travel abroad compared to Italians or Americans (83 million Americans travelled abroad )??

You see the issue. We weren't that exposed., even with our lax methods.

I thought u said u are in healthcare. Once community spread starts travel or no travel is meaningless. Travel has nothing to do with why Covid is not killing Nigerians. NYC was in total lockdown with all airports closed, yet about 800 were dying a day. Also Lagos had it’s first confirmed case b4 NYC despite travel

As for Italy, did u read? By March 9th they had total lockdown if the entire country. Compare to 9ja

cococandy:
Again you will be found on any thread saying that 70 % of first kids don’t belong to the husbands yarning away. Forgetting this your post

When that time comes, ask yourself how those 70% of marriages are still intact after the wives have been frolicking with other men. You guys tell yourselves stuff to massage your egos and deny reality

I never said nor do I remotely believe any such 70% nonsense. Not even 5%.

Let me also say that the most empathetic, bleeding heart people are also women

cococandy:
Someone who kills and sells people in parts because he wants to make money.

You realize this is childish right?
You really want to compare violent crimes by gender? You go lose!

I now see what the problem is.
What we are talking about is GRATUITOUS BASELESS WICKEDNESS. The type of callousness that allows a person to promptly file for divorce once they deem it the right thing to do, without wasting time considering how it might hurt others.

cococandy:
Exactly.

Memes aren’t scholarly articles

Oh yes, memes and popular culture evolve out of thin air. Only “scholarly articles” have some basis. Yeah, that’s it

pDudd:
You are trying to apply hard and fast rules to the problems of African Americans and their women. Sorry bro, there are no hard and fast rules when it comes to their situation. You can't blame it on a single factor (slavery). It is a collection of numerous factors.

Though slavery plays a significant part of the problem, when it "ended", it morphed into other insidious forms such as segregation, zoning, discrimination, etc. So even today, many of those evil forms still exists. So it may be safe to say slavery never really ended per se.

U r trying to be too clever by half but I won’t let you.
The question is clear and unambiguous:
Why, as you readily admit, was it not like this before??

kikero:
No, the virus is not bad in Nigeria because we kind of limited the exposure early on.

In Italy , the average Italian can travel globally better than the average Nigerian. And many of them travelled to Asia as tourists...and brought home COVID.

In Nigeria, very few people have the income to be international tourists. As a result we are not as exposed to the virus as Italy. Thus, we don't have as many cases.

And lockdowns are a way to limit the number of cases we already have.

Italy had a high number because they did not lock down in time, and they had a higher number of exposed people. Add the fact that 25% of their population is over 65...and yes, many of them travel well well as toursts, and you get why they were affected badly.

Also,Italy is a big toruist destination, and millions of toruists come in from around the world...including China. One region of Italy also had hundreds of Chinese working there. And they were iniltially not subject to restrictions.

That Nigeria does not have a high number of cases is because of limited exposure. We lockdown to keep that exposure limited...so that we don;t end up with an Italian scenairo.

Respectfully, u don’t know what u r talking about at all.
Below is Italy’s response to Covid. Note the dates, then compare to Nigeria’s response:

The first cases of Covid-19 in Italy were confirmed on 31 January 2020, when two Chinese tourists in Rome tested positive.
On same 31 January, the Italian government suspended all flights to and from China and declared a state of emergency. On 8 March 2020, Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte expanded quarantine to all of Lombardy and 14 other northern provinces, and on the following day to all of Italy, placing more than 60 million people in quarantine.

Here is Nigeria:
First confirmed case was Feb 27 - about a week b4 New York. Yet Nigeria did not institute any type of mandatory quarantine of any visitor nor did we restrict flights till late March.
At the time I put up that post 100’s of people a day were dying in New York while Nigeria was yet to record a single home-based death.
No, that the virus was not as lethal in Nigeria was NOT because of anything Nigeria did. Nigeria in fact did everything wrong.
Also u r confusing numbers - vast number of Nigerians have or have had corona, just that it neither kills nor hospitalizes a lot of them

VULCAN:
I almost believed your bolded below but I know better

I really don't care whether you or the other women knocking the book read it or not. You guys may be right. It might be trash but refusing to confirm the thinking behind the writers viewpoint is a sign of mental laziness

I do care however about anyone who knocks a thing without even checking it out.

You rarely get incisive insights from such people. They tend to specialise in repeating what they were told. Rarely do they display Critical Thinking since they surround themselves with Confirmation Bias.

Charlie Munger said “You must force yourself to consider opposing arguments. Especially when they challenge your best loved ideas.”


That's just too much to expect from angry Black Women

All that is too much work. I think u r confusing NL for some scholarly forum

pDudd:
African Americans will never overcome the effects of slavery because it is the only history they know. You can't erase that history. Also the American system was built upon slavery, hence the effects of slavery will always be felt.

Heck, there is the option of filling your race and ethnicity on every form filled in US. Does that look like a system that is trying to get rid of racism?

We are talking of the particular aspect of single-hood of BAW, u admitted it was not like that b4. Did the effects of slavery take a break?

kikero:
No, people were encouraged to self isolate

Plus Italy had some of the strictest lockdowns ever seen. And they did not lockdown on time


Plus if people died at home in Italy, it was because their health system was.overwhelmed by the number of cases they had.

That's why we lockdown in Nigeria. We don't want Italy repeated here.

That’s why I said u did not read my post well. The main reason for my suggestion was that, for whatever reason, the virus was not as lethal in Nigeria and likely never would be - because it would have started happening by then.
About Italy, see below

pDudd:
No it's not.

Black people were still pulling themselves up from the period between end of slavery and civil rights era. They seemed to be doing quite well on all fronts and the racist white govt became jealous. They decided to make policies that will destroy the black family unit. And they did.

So u r agreeing with me - today’s situation cannot be blamed on slavery because they already overcame the effects of slavery as evidenced by period of family stability after slavery

kikero:
Healtcare doesn't work like that (I work in medicine, so I have some knowledge)..

You treat anyone that comes in to the hospital the same. You don't decide who lives and dies at the door.

For example, there are many severely ill covid19 patients who have survived because of intensive care. Should we have let them die in the name of 'we don't want our health system to be overwhlemed).

What if it was you or your relation? You won't agree with us refusing to treat you based on your reasoning.

I once had a severely ill old man in our wards on admisison. Based on your reasoning, we should have left him to die. We did our best, and he lived.

I am no eugenicist.

I am surprised u r in healthcare yet u never followed what happened in Italy. They CHOSE who it made sense to spend the limited healthcare resources on. Some were even encouraged to stay home and die there.

This “what if it was you or your relation” always comes up. I said clearly if we choose this route we have to make choices UNEMOTIONALLY

pDudd:
The welfare and justice system reforms after the civil rights era destroyed the black family unit with their policies.

So then all those slavery stuff is hogwash

VULCAN:
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

I must confess I enjoy how you keep using my own words. Please don't stop.

As for the book. There are two reasons for reading. Entertainment or Knowledge. If I have a problem that has defied all solutions then I keep searching till I find what I'm looking for.

What I don't do is knock someone's attempt to proffer a solution (without even studying it) just because it doesn't fit with my politics.

I am a Christian who has learnt much from Buddhism

I am a Republican who was once a Democrat.

I am Black but flow much better with Whites.

Radical Feminists, Islamists and Gay Rights advocates are the most closed minded people you will find anywhere. That's why they are always fighting something or someone. No Love.

Also I take back my earlier statement.

Most Black American Women are too self righteous to accept their role in the decimation of the Black Family so they won't buy the book not because they don't have $6 but because they don't seek solutions in books.

They get all the sage advice they need at the hair salon.

Frankly I use you own words out of laziness - it is much easier, just copy and paste

I think u may be overestimating us here on NL. We are not about to ever read that book nor are we even interested in the book; honestly, we are not even interested in the synopsis. We are only interested in the 70% figure and proffering our own reasons why we think it is so

VirginFinder:
6 deaths

Thank God we are back to single digit deaths.

I don't care about the number of cases. Nearly all of them will recover by God's grace.

No cause for alarm!

It truly amazes me that people still take this info seriously. How many people have died this week alone after unknown “brief illness”

kikero:
I have read your argument. I agree with you.

The problem is, in such a scenairo, the minority who are seriously ill from covid19 would overwhelm our health system in numbers.

Which could have knock on effects...like people dying from easily treatable diseases because no space..

Our lockdown so far is doing the job it is meant to do. Keep the number of severely ill people low.

Seems u read but did not quite understand. We won’t let our health system be overwhelmed - some people would be allowed to die - so those alive will have a life a bit worth living - just as u lose some people in war.

ImaIma1:
There's no point. You have established that you can't see beyond your prejudice

I was only stating popular culture. How can that be prejudice. Am I the one who established the mother in- law lore or the wicked step mother ish. These simply represent what society has observed over centuries.

BTW on the other extreme, the most empathetic, bleeding heart people are also women