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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses And The Resurrection Of Jesus by CANTICLES: 2:14am On Mar 28, 2019

asalimpo:
obviously this angels didnt take on human form. But were visible to the shepherds. This is a different scenario. The angel that rolled back the stone at the tomb, didnt take on human form. He was obviously a mighty angel because his form alone struck great fear into the gaurds. So in these instances one can say that God allowed man see into the spirit realm. In the book of kings as an angel was massacring isreal for David's sins,David saw him! God allowed David see into the spirit.

Visible means in a Material form ( Materialize) that can be seen Bodily . that Angel that roll wears a white cloth don't forget ? On which body ? grin

a visible bodily form. Tell me it has blood . Materialize isn't about human or becoming human , its been visible .

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses And The Resurrection Of Jesus by CANTICLES: 1:45am On Mar 28, 2019*

Emusan

My point is that for angels to MATERIALIZE means they actually became FULLY HUMAN within that period....

8 And there were shepherds living out in the fields nearby, keeping watch over their flocks at night. 9 An angel of the Lord appeared to them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them, and they were terrified. " ( Luk 2:8,9 NIV)

Does this visible manifestation make this angels humans to you ? Humans have glory around them or terrifying appearance ? This one looks like he had blood , right ? Nonsense

Apply your definition .

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses And The Resurrection Of Jesus by CANTICLES: 1:35am On Mar 28, 2019

Emusan:
Your ignorance becomes more glaring the more...

Who says Angels are human?

After I have shown enough evidence on this thread to explain the word MATERIALISE you can still be spewing this rubbish...

Last point.... to materialised means to have everything that make human human at that very period....

So to say angels materialized and yet they aren't FULLY human means materialize didn't occur or render the word useless.

Are nephilims human or not?

If your answer is yes or no, give us the description of what they are....

Just so unfortunate that I couldn't attached the picture of your organization about nephilim.

I told you Materialize Is just a visible form to behold , Apply your definition to the below angel that speak to the women at Jesus tomb

" His [an angel] appearance was like lightning , and his clothing was as white as snow " Matthew 28:2,3

Humans have an appearance like lightning ? He needed blood to lighten up his appearance ? You don't know shi shi about the topic u are discussing .

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses And The Resurrection Of Jesus by CANTICLES: 12:50am On Mar 28, 2019

Emusan:
That's why I said wisdom is far from you...

"The Life of flesh is in the blood" Notice it was your brother who first brought this to explain that those angels MATERIALIZED must have had BLOOD.

Flesh in that scripture refers to earthly creatures, he must have brought it to prove that as they are not a Creature of this earth, they do not need blood to sustain a materialized flesh.

Now, what is my position on this thread? it shows how you people always jumping from one point to another without addressing the main point.

My point is that for angels to MATERIALIZE means they actually became FULLY HUMAN within that period....

They are not humans , Birth of Nephilims are only recorded through their sexual relationship . this are giant and mighty men , Bullies . Definitely you can't compare that with You and I, or Shem, Ham and Japheth that are birthed by earthly humans.

Compare the John 3:13 quoted by Barrister , No human ascend or came down from heaven except the son of man.

In fact this is supported by the story of Angels who God sent to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah...for the men in that city to have taken step to have sexual intercourse with them...it means they're actually fully human...if it's just a materialized body (not fully human) then such scenario can never happen.

Lastly, none of you has ever addressed this my point but always boycotting it...

Externally, appear human . but the workings of their body and the energy around them is beyond this world . so same reason they can have sex and eat . but the result of their Sexual relationship wasn't normal men but giant humans

I asked, if there is no blood in the fleshy body of materialized angels...and the body can't function on its own. doesn't it mean the fleshy bodies just cover the real spirit of angels

Cover which spirit, that makes two different beings? A materialized body is just a visible form to behold and get the message across.

That's why you struggle to answer: if they need blood to sustain themselves , why can't Christ be sent as a materialized person rather than born ?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses And The Resurrection Of Jesus by CANTICLES: 8:51pm On Mar 27, 2019

Emusan:
See ignorance!

Jesus share in FLESH and BLOOD of ADAM, it's need to because it's the offspring of Adam He came to rescue.

Hello . pack this rubbish u vomitted

It doesn't need to if materialized angels Share in the Same Flesh and BLOOD of ADAM . all he need to do is materialize . not waste time growing to adulthood.

Animals have blood, yet they aren't human because they have flesh and blood...

Ever heard the term " Earthly man " ?
The description flesh and blood is saying the man is earthly . come and tell me angels are earthly grin

Go back to my previous post to see where I provided proof for the meaning of MATERIALISE! Spirit can't materialize without being human at that particular period.

even your organization uses FLESHLY BODIES

Please how does a fleshly body look like?

How did they give birth to Mighty Nephilims if your theory holds water ?

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses And The Resurrection Of Jesus by CANTICLES: 8:43pm On Mar 27, 2019

Emusan:
Always twisting the scripture to suit your demonic doctrines.

The Bible says "the life of ALL FLESH...." see how you purposely change it to "EARTHLY CREATURES" because you realized your demonic organization has already claimed Jesus appeared in FLESHLY BODIES...

Please with reference(s) tell us the meaning of FLESHLY BODIES?

If Jesus actually appeared in fleshly bodies and no blood running on it, it means the fleshy bodies just covered the SPIRIT Being of Jesus and those Angels, do you agree?

A very idiotic reply , you said a transform body of FLESH can run without blood . apply your logic to it and see how idiotic you sound. Maximus69 has given you the true meaning of that statement, instead of you to humble and learn .

Okay, if the bible says the life of ALL flesh refers to anything flesh either angelic or not, that means your theory of transform body can't stand . its flesh and must require blood.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses And The Resurrection Of Jesus by CANTICLES: 8:36pm On Mar 27, 2019

asalimpo:
they are seeing His body. Apparently they werent talking to a non-physical being! Even angels (spirits) had to assume fleshly form to relate with humans.
Conjectures can b made about why He wasnt readily recognized but there's no conclusive scriptural backing for such. Elevating them to conclusive canon is adding to d word.

Note that their brain is working . one of them comments that with the way he was explaining scripture he was having a feeling its him . if he appeared in the same body he died in which they knew, they would have use that same Brain to know. Clearly he was in a form different from who they know .

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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses And The Resurrection Of Jesus by CANTICLES: 8:32pm On Mar 27, 2019

Emusan:
Pure lie... Materialize body means it contains what make human human ...while transformed body means it's still human but function differently unlike before...

Christ resurrection is a format in which the Saints body will be...so If you agreed that materialised body isn't fully human then it means those who will resurrect aren't going to be human again.

Big lie, if that is the case those angels won't have given birth to superhuman child's . it only look human but not an human . its an human that depend on blood to survive.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses And The Resurrection Of Jesus by CANTICLES: 11:29am On Mar 27, 2019

OLAADEGBU
Jesus was pointing out that He was different. He had a body but not a body of flesh and blood . It was flesh and bones.

You have just describe a materialized body

Emusan
Jesus statement read FLESH AND BONES not flesh and blood

Emusan

A transformed body will function without blood, that's why Apostle Paul said...not all will die but be transformed...

You have just described a materialized body which function without blood.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses And The Resurrection Of Jesus by CANTICLES: 11:19am On Mar 27, 2019

Barristter07:
So if Jesus call lake of fire hell , there are how many hell ? Your brain Is probably on freeze mode Sir

Liars

SO FUNNY

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses And The Resurrection Of Jesus by CANTICLES: 11:10am On Mar 27, 2019

OLAADEGBU:
Antichrist spirit spotted.

"And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of , whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world" (1 John 4:3).

Jesus come in the flesh when he was born as human. Sharing flesh and blood with us , not materialized bloodless body . Everytime you people say Jesus body that appear to Thomas has no blood, i always laugh at you . You have indirectly admit he isnt human after his ressurection

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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses And The Resurrection Of Jesus by CANTICLES: 11:00am On Mar 27, 2019

[quote author=asalimpo post=77019108][/quote]Should i ask you something: those two men discussing with him on the way to Emmaus, you agree they are seeing the person speaking, what form are they seeing that kept them from recognizing him ?

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses And The Resurrection Of Jesus by CANTICLES: 10:47am On Mar 27, 2019

Janosky:
True.
"When Jesus rose early on the first day of the week he appeared first to Mary Magdalene" Mark16:9-14
He APPEARED FIRST (only spirits appear and disappear at will)
to Mary Magdalene who did not recognize him(John 20:14-16).

"After ward Jesus APPEARED IN A.DIFFERENT FORM to two of them while they were walking in the country". Mark 16:12,13.

"Later Jesus APPEARED to the eleven as they were eating" Mark16:14

When these mumu Pharisees see a human form that appears and disappeared at will ,they will say they saw a spirit.
That is what Jesus did after he resurrected, he appeared in different human forms to his disciples.
Yet they lied as if Thomas first saw Jesus after he resurrected.
Mumu Pharisees wey their sense lost taytay

Jesus never ate after his resurrected. he gave them fish and bread John 21:13
"when they (Jesus disciples) had finished eating" v15
Jesus said to Simon Peter

The Mary point is even enough for a sincere person. She recognized him by Manner of speaking, not appearance

Same thing happened on the way to Emmaus, one of them made a striking comment at Luke 24:32 " Were not our hearts burning withing us as he was speaking to us on the road, as he was fully opening up the scriptures to us "

They knew the person speaking sounds so much like him but they were seeing a totally different appearance from the one they know, so they couldn't figure it out. Even when they know, it was again the manner of breaking bread not appearance

35 " then they related the events on the road and how he became known to them by the breaking of the bread "

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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses And The Resurrection Of Jesus by CANTICLES: 9:00am On Mar 26, 2019

Emusan:
Idiot...diverting attention to another thing...
You agreed that Jesus posseses FLESH...After I burst your bubble about the Leviticus you've been shouting that THE LIFE OF FLESH IS IN THE blood...now you've to come out from baseless angle.

Everyone reading here can see how myopic you are.

Agreed.

Then it means HE DIDN'T MATERIALIZE because to MATERIALIZED means to FULLY become HUMAN...

You can see how lost you are here

Wrong. They are not . giving credence to the fact that Jesus materialized after his ressurection by possessing a body without blood.

John 1:14 says Jesus became Flesh or human . that's the only spirit that ever become fully human and share in flesh and blood via his birth to partook fully of the human nature.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses And The Resurrection Of Jesus by CANTICLES: 8:51am On Mar 26, 2019

Materialized angels are not humans.

" Prior to Jesus’ birth on earth, angels had appeared on this planet in human form, apparently materializing suitable bodies for the occasion, then dematerializing them after completing such assignments. (Ge 19:1-3; Jg 6:20-22; 13:15-20) They thus remained spirit creatures, merely employing a physical body temporarily. " insight on the scriptures .

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200002451#h=29:20-29:338

Christianity Etc › Re: Who Died . Jesus Or His Body ?? by CANTICLES: 10:26am On Oct 04, 2018

Emusan
Jesus made a clear distinction between body and soul here, but what did you say about it? Nothing!

Your eyes don clear now right ? As if distinction between body and soul support your assertion .

Christianity Etc › Re: Who Died . Jesus Or His Body ?? by CANTICLES: 10:12am On Oct 04, 2018

Barristter07:
It is now finally glaring to the whole world that your definition of soul is totally foreign to the scripture We have seen how Jesus used the word Soul and it never carries the idea of anything invisible . The entire scripture is filled with quotes that define the soul has eating, thirsty, Dying, died etc .

From what is revealed from Jesus parable, The soul that was demanded from that man , is still not yet the invisible part of man ? see your life outside Emusan , Know the truth and it would set you free. Your idea is Foreign to scripture

Even at Matthew 10:28 , Jesus never used soul in the sense of something invisible , fear him who can destroy both soul and body in Gehenna Straightened the Record. Tell us if the Jews throw something invisible to a physical Gehenna ? .

Finally, its clear the idea of Plato is totally foreign to scripture

Comprehension , the quote says " but only God has the power to either restore the life or destroy it completely by not ressurecting it."

I wonder Lol

Christianity Etc › Re: Who Died . Jesus Or His Body ?? by CANTICLES: 10:10am On Oct 04, 2018

Emusan:
The bolden part tells how shallow your knowledge is in the subject matter.

God taking someone out of EXISTENCE is different from God cause an end to someone life on earth.

I can also see the way you took Lev 23:30 to mean the invisible part of man whereas SOUL has different meanings which I've established from the beginning of this thread and the content determines what it means Lev 23:30 starts with "Any soul that DOTH WORK..."

God is the one who determines the end of everyone, He can decide to put man OUT OF EXISTENCE or condemned him to EVERLASTING punishment.

Says the person who believes God judged right by chosen some people to live with Him in heaven but decided to make the rest live on earth even though both were righteous and obeyed Him.

To you this is perfect just because GB says so but you have to say it's an injustice for God to put some wicked people out of existence and condemned some wicked to everlasting punishment

Firstly, you concorted your own fable lie to twist Jesus statement.

Secondly, had it been you take your time to study that scripture you'd have known the truth but since the spirit of your father devil who works in the lives of your GB has been transferred to you, it's hard for you to see.

Luke 12 starts from Jesus condemning the attitude of the Pharisees which is hypocrisy "...Watch out for the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy." NWT and He encourages His disciples to always speak for the truth and not afraid of what it might be done to them, this leaves Jesus to say they shouldn't fear man who can only KILL the body but has nothing to do to the SOUL. Luke1-12

Another point was raised by someone in the crow: this time is about EARTHLY POSSESSION...“Teacher, tell my brother to divide the inheritance with me.”

For Jesus to clarify this, He used a PARABLE...
But just see the way you used your deluded mind to mix everything together just to continue to live in self delusion.

Liar Jesus was talking about abundance of life not SOUL in a sense of invisible entity in man.

Know where Bible draws the line.

Liar.... read the content what leads to Jesus statement distinguishing between BODY and SOUL in verses 4&5 is different from the point Jesus is addressing from Vs 13 down...

See the mind of a liar, this your quack is meant for your Hall where every gebbrish is swallowed from GB...

Let me go back to your first straw man attack you used from the beginning of this post.

If God promised to restore THAT life...then is it EVERY LIFE THAT GOD WILL RESTORE?

If yes! you mean God will restore THAT LIFE of those Jews who are not JWs killed by Hitler?

If no! it means Jesus was lying when he said men can kill body but not their life...which eventually men actually can since God won't restore them.

^^^

A host of reference has been given you that clarifies that Soul in the bible either Hebrew Or Greek scripture is not something immaterial. Good that Jozzy4 burst your games with Leviticus 17:11 , UV switched to your last lifeline Matt 10:28 which has been busted above , What is demanded from that rich man is also not his invisible soul right ?

Christianity Etc › Re: Should "True Christians" Celebrate Birthdays, Christmas by CANTICLES: 10:21pm On Aug 08, 2018

Hairyrapunzel:
Since the Bible says that the day of death is better than the day of birth thats why birthdays are bad and God is against birthdays therefore, God is against laughter because he said frustration is better than laughter.

One pagan king that celebrated birthday in the Bible saved the life of the CUPBEARER and eventually made God's servant Joseph the governor of the land. Wow!
What a pagan king who even took care of God's servant. Interesting.

Christianity Etc › Re: Should "True Christians" Celebrate Birthdays, Christmas by CANTICLES: 10:19pm On Aug 08, 2018

asuustrike2009:
The person is not complaining why bother yourself?

Calm yourself down

Wonder why you fail to realize. The thread is a question.

Christianity Etc › Re: Should "True Christians" Celebrate Birthdays, Christmas by CANTICLES: 5:24pm On Aug 08, 2018

The idea of giving priority to ones day of birth didn't originate from the Bible . FACT

The statement goes further and make an emphasis " it even states that the day of death is better than day of birth " .

Did it state that or not ?

Seems some people have comprehension problems.

Birthdays celebration is paganic as evidenced the fact that only pagan kings were mentioned as doing it , No single servant of GOd is found doing such ( This position is proved by various writings on the Early Christians view )

If its so Christian, why didn't any Servant of God also do it ? Why only Pagans were directly associated with it ?

Christianity Etc › Re: The Ordination Of Remi Tinubu As Pastor - Is RCCG Compromised? by CANTICLES: 5:15pm On Aug 08, 2018

True religion doesn't mix with politics !!!

There are many political chaos going on in the days of Jesus, but he never joined or participate in any. ( it create division , one side support party A another side support party B , and Jesus said his followers should be One )

What did he do when some people wanted him to he king ?

Bible says follow the footsteps of Christ.

Christianity Etc › Re: Should "True Christians" Celebrate Birthdays, Christmas by CANTICLES: 4:57pm On Aug 08, 2018

asuustrike2009:
Unnecessary argument. That is one of the problem I have with Jehovah Witnesses, they always argue with other Christian faith.

Its a scriptural matter, the Beroans were commended because they search the scriptures to see if things were as they say .

The idea of giving priority to a person's day of birth didn't originate from the Bible . it even States that the day of death is better than day of birth - Eccl 7:1

Christianity Etc › Re: Should "True Christians" Celebrate Birthdays, Christmas by CANTICLES: 2:19pm On Aug 07, 2018

OneJ:
SERIAL LIAR INDEED !!!!!.
Sotaay U made Joseph a Governor on King Pharaoh's birthday (for your deluded mind)

Why U dey fear to name one man of God wey do him birthday from your Bible ? Lols .

Fact!!!

Romance › Re: "Husband Does Not Like Having Sex With Her Through The Vagina" - Woman Cries Out by CANTICLES: 12:30pm On Apr 04, 2018

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farano:
Thats why I think it's a good idea to have sex before marriage. I want to have a taste of who I will be getting married to. Don't want to share any story that touches the heart..

And you think having premarital sex helps ? Big Mistake, in fact , who told you this woman and the so called husband did not also engage in sex before they are married . ?

Ever heard of PRETENCE? , of cause he will play along with you . Get married!!! And he will show you his true color.

It all boils down to marrying someone who truly have the fear of God in him or her . Fear of God would enable him be considerate and kind and to recognize his woman his a weaker vessel he is meant to protect and cherish like a person protects an egg.

Christianity Etc › Re: Are Christians Allowed To Have Sex After Traditional Wedding? by CANTICLES: 11:04am On Apr 04, 2018

Chikita66:
Yes, even ~~God~~ is in support of traditional wedding cos he attended one in bible and turn water into wine.

Son of God.

Fixed!

Christianity Etc › Re: My Take On The Doctrine Of Trinity And Those Saying Jesus Is God Almighty! by CANTICLES: 5:29pm On Apr 02, 2018

ShadowFighter:
I asked you a question and you are refering me to John 14:28?
John said, the Word (Jesus) was with God (Yaweh) in the beginning and the Word (Jesus) was God (Yaweh). So can you explain this or not?

Jesus is not Yahweh.

The fact that someone is called God doesn't make them Yahweh, which is where you are mistaken Sir.

Does the fact that humans Re called GOD in the Bible, make them Yahweh ?

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Romance › Re: Should I Continue With This Girl Or Quit The Relationship? Please Help by CANTICLES: 4:44pm On Apr 02, 2018

I must commend your decision to abstain from premarital sex , ... You are practising self control which will eventually help you stay faithful to your partner when you later get married, which brings happiness to a marriage life .

If that Lady is not willing to agree with your decision on sex . Better you just let her go , the worst that will happen if you still stick with her is , she will pretend to agree with you while doing it with other men.

So once she has communicated it to you that she can't stand a No - Sex relationship , Just save yourself and ask her to go look for her type.

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Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Your Reaction When Jehovah Witnesses Knock On Your Door? by CANTICLES: 3:06pm On Apr 01, 2018

brocab:
I suppose if you had read the scriptures-proper you would understand what this verse is actually telling you.
{John 3:16} For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
JW's believe Jesus is one of God's angels-brother of Michael, brother of Lucifer. And you expect me to enlighten you?

You have not answered the question.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Your Reaction When Jehovah Witnesses Knock On Your Door? by CANTICLES: 9:23pm On Mar 31, 2018

brocab:
Where are you searching-were you just saved within the watchtower..Are you a JW? or are you confused? Which bible are you reading?
I suppose Lucifer is the other son?
Please explain, how many son's did God the Father have, in scripture In {John 3:16} For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
This is written in the New World Translation bible-What else is the watchtower teaching you, these days?

Why is he called " one and only son" ... Enlighten me ?

Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Your Reaction When Jehovah Witnesses Knock On Your Door? by CANTICLES: 9:19pm On Mar 31, 2018

Riofidelio:
You'll never see a JW who will pray with you on the first visit because it's a sin! According to God's word prayers ONLY comes in when two people agrees on sacred matters. God warned HIS people against praying for or with someone who isn't ready to listen to God's laws. Proverbs 28:9 Secondly God warned Jeremiah never to pray in behalf of those who aren't ready to obey HIS commandments. Jeremiah 11:14,14:11 And the most important representative of God Jesus who is God's only begotten son never pray with anyone who won't agree with Him on sacred matters. John 17:8/9 God always listens to Jesus so His contemporaries concluded that Jesus has a special way of talking to God but He won't pray with them so they begged Him to teach them how to pray, of course they won't have asked if He's always praying in their presence! So God hates such prayers and Jesus won't pray with strangers as well, next time you see JWs listen to know the message Jesus sent them because as His true followers they'll just walk away if you want them to do things against the rules set by their Master, Lord and King (Jesus Christ)

Thank you.

You begin to wonder if Jesus was recorded telling the Samaritan woman that " woman, kneel down and let's pray " before he preached to her

Or If he ask the crowd to close their eyes and let's pray before beginning his sermon on the mount .

There are principles to be followed. Which is what many doesn't understand.

Nice post brother, keep it up

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Christianity Etc › Re: Can Anyone Prove That The "Soul" Exists by CANTICLES: 12:37am On Mar 29, 2018

Butterflyleo:
Your topic as an atheist and the basis for this thread as an atheist is illogical and silly.

Its like a blind man seeking evidence for a planet called fahjero from a scientist. How can the blind man comprehend anything he is told or even shown.

Do animals have souls ?

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