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this is wicked "its all ova, its all ova - it sho damn is, you nigerian muthafucka!!!!!!!love that american woman she's hilarious

the ghanaian boys played well, nigerians watch and learn, well done boys!!

Ivynwa:
Do some of you saying these shocking things to bkbabe realize that it took a spirit of kinship for her to come to nairaland forum and lime and bond with us all. Whatever she has said to anybody, this lady does not deserve to be thrown these more-than-acidic and more-than-racist words. How can you guys talk to her like this? I know it was all said out of anger but now that the anger has died down, I know that Cap has realized he did not talk nice to her. Cap please go ahead and apologise to her, metal gong too. It doesn't take anything out of you two do that but makes our world a lovelier and more accommodating place.
It wasn't our fault our race dispersed and mingled with the other races and wherever we meet our own we should still love one another, we blacks and the blackrooted mixed people have come a long way. This is not a good way for us all to relate in the diaspora. We should embrace and accommodate one another, shouldn't we?

Ivynwa thanks for all your comments, I understand where you are coming from, however i think its always a good idea to put things into context.

We nigerians are known for being a trusting and welcoming people and i think this is why people take advantage of us, I have nothing against people who are genuinely trying to establish links with their african ancestry with the intention of seeking to learn about our culture and language, however i do have a problem with people who simply come onto forums like these in order to mock and insult us. 

If you look at the role that race plays in carribean and latin american countries you will find that most of these countries operate a racial caste system with whites at the top of this structure, mixed race people further down and finally dark skinned blacks or blacks of pure african descent at the bottom.  This results in a feeling of superiority in the minds of those who find themselves above the darker skinned blacks or anyone who is closer in appearance to an african.  This is the mindset of the likes of people like bk babe.  Having been exposed to people who look down on dark skinned blacks she uses that same mentality to come on to a nigerian forum to make sarcastic remarks and try to talk down to nigerians.  As i said i am all for people who are trying to understand more about their african ancestry but i can tell the difference between someone who is genuinley trying to discover more about a culture and its people and those who are here merely to abuse our hospitality.

If you dont believe what i am saying research the history of carribean and latin american countries and then you will understand what i am saying.

In the Dominican republic Haitians who are darker skinned and are closer in appearance to continental africans are treated terribly by the majority mixed race dominican population - many face deportation despite having legitimate immigration papers in their adopted country.  Dominicans will rather you describe them as indios, mestizos, blancos but NEVER AS BLACKS, this is how full of self hatred these people are.  An african american woman who went to the dominican republic on an exchange programme has this to say about her experience:


[b]I was often confused, angry and depressed. I spent an entire month and a half watching men constantly beg my two white friends for dances and reluctantly ask my two black friends (with permed hair) for dances before I realized no one was asking me to dance. I spent many nights in a dark corner of a discotheque surrounded by men who found my body appealing enough to comment on in the streets, but my hair appalling enough to ignore me in the discos. I began to see a trend in their behavior and I recognized this trend as racialized sexism.

Racialized sexism is that peculiar brand of discrimination that breeds on black women (and other women of color) while somehow missing black men and white women completely.

Becoming aware of its existence explained why all the host mothers constantly told me how beautiful I could look if only I would fix (read: perm) my hair. Racialized sexism explained why my friend Vincent, also a possessor of natural hair, never had to defend his choice to wear his hair "that way." It explained why I thought constantly having different parts of my body grabbed in the street was a common experience until I discussed it with some of the white female students. They were shocked. Only their flaxen hair had been touched, never their bodies.

This blend of racism and sexism was the roughest thing to handle. I was equipped to deal with the racism, but not the mixture of the two. After some time, we black students became accustomed to the horrified glances and gasps we received when we referred to ourselves as black. One host-mother in particular would stop us saying, "No, no, no, don't call yourself black, you're Indian."

Dominicans have created a myriad of names - morena (brown), india (indian), blanca oscura (dark white), trigueño (wheat colored) - to avoid referring to themselves as black. Nothing prepared us for a weekend field trip to the country where our weekend hosts got to pick the students they wanted to put up for the night. The first picked were the blondes. Standing there desolate and alone at the end were the blacks.

http://www.nathanielturner.com/kiiniiburasalaam2.htm


Brazil, Colombia, even Jamaica with a 90% pure black population HATE being linked with africa.

Here is what happened to a nigerian professor who made the mistake of spending his vacation in Jamaica and received the worst kind of black on black racism he has ever come across in his life:

http://www.nigeriavillagesquare.com/articles/guest-articles/vacation-dispatch-a-taste-of-black-on-black-racism-in-jamaica.html


In colombia it is no better - despite having a sizeable population of what they call afro colombians these people are right at the bottom of society and are forced to remain there since they are denied access to education in order to elevate themselves, in addition they are treated as if they are INVISIBLE by the govt of that country, this should explain bk babe's attitude on this forum, here is an excerpt from an article about racism towards black colombians:


Colombia’s colour-bar

“But there aren’t any blacks in Colombia!” exclaimed a Colombian now living in New York after hearing the ethnologist Luz Riviera discuss her recent research into the country’s black indigenous communities. “What do you mean there aren’t? They’re over 22 percent of the population,” replied Riviera. “If there are, then they aren’t Colombians,” insisted the lady.
Luz Riviera tried to explain that the seven million blacks now living in the country are not only as Colombian as her, but that it was also highly likely that she had at least one black ancestor. “God save me from having a black in my family!,” the aggrieved woman replied.
As in other Latin American countries, racism towards blacks and indigenous peoples is a fact of life in Colombia. And just as in other countries of the region, victims of this racism tend to be “invisible” in the eyes of those who practise the discrimination.
Black slaves were introduced into what is now Colombia by the first Spanish conquistadors. From the very beginning they clustered in communities largely along the northern coast close to Cartagena, the principle “black port” of the era, as well as on the western Pacific coastline and the Caribbean archipelago of San Andrés and Providencia.
The “Afro-Colombians”–as they are officially known–also live in the country’s big and medium-sized cities, such as Cartagena, Buenaventura, Cali, Turbo, Barranquilla or Medellín, places where their segregation takes on all the features of marginalization. “In Cartagena, the only blacks who can enter certain clubs and restaurants are those who are serving.

In Bogotá and Cali, most domestic servants are black, often dressed in pink uniforms,” explains Luz Riviera.
Over time, continued discrimination has led many to setting up home in rural, isolated areas, where they live in virtually self-sufficient communities working on small land-holdings or as employees for large farms. Some simply live on the fish they can catch.
Life in such communities is not much better than in other parts of the country. According to the Third report on the Human Rights Situation in Colombia, carried out for the Organization of American States and published in 1999, “a disproportionate number of blacks live in conditions of extreme poverty.” Afro-Colombians inhabit some of the most conflict-ridden parts of the country and earn incomes below the national per capita average. Illiteracy rates both in rural and urban areas remain extremely large, while black communities suffer high rates of infant mortality and serious diseases such as malaria, dengue fever, gastro-enteritis and lung infections. The report puts this down to a lack of drinking water, electricity and basic medical services.
Faced with their exclusion from the rest of society, many communities continue to co-operate closely with groups of indigenous peoples, with whom they first formed links under slavery when blacks were forced to work in gold and silver mines while Indians tilled the land. Luz Riviera has studied these inter-ethnic relations in an isolated village on the banks of the Guayabero river in the region of Serranía del Baudó.
“Thirty or so black families living there have created ritual family ties with indigenous families living deeper in the jungle. What frequently happens is that an indigenous person asks a black man to be the godfather of his son, sealing a relation of compadrazgo [joint fatherhood] which helps make the lives of both families somewhat easier in light of the discrimination both suffer.”


I am not advocating hatred or racism, I am merely saying lets open our eyes as to what is going on around us, if people want to look down on us then why do they go out of their way to  come on to our forums to make disparaging remarks about us, perhaps its best that these people stick to their own people.

All of the above can be directly traced to the white man's legacy of slavery which has led to the black race being looked down on by every race of people on the face of this planet including diasporan blacks, this is why as proud black nigerians we should focus on building up our own people and developing our country so that we dont have to put up with the abuse and humiliation that blacks in other parts of the world are being subjected to.

steve49ja:
@caps

Let it go man, not to mention you're dissin females (nothing personal to dissing females), you might also want to admit everyone can make suggestions without throwing personal attacks. So please?

I actually enjoy your posts on here and can relate to da message you're tryna pass across but this is not the way to go about it man, please quit the personal attacks.


@post

Not everyone would face discrimination in areas that would affect their success, some people might not see racism as an obstacle but seriously we face it everyday, take it or leave it. Some people even hate you for no just cause so kini big deal?.
The fear of being disliked is the beginning of poverty.

As others would rely on God, some rely on luck.
But we all should be able to share our experiences and if anyone's hating, why dont they just keep it to themselves and share their experience(s) if they'v got any?

Let da thread live on.

thanks bro your comments are noted, you know what? im not usually like this but its just the impudence of some of the people on here, the pig headed ignorance of black people not being able to see further than their own noses,  i didnt realise that our race was in such dire straits but now i see that the situation is so much worse than i initially thought, there's this african american guy whose blog i really like, here is an excerpt from one of his articles i think his observations are very concise:

[b]Can White Americans be unracist? Yes, but it way harder than most of them think. That is why when they quickly say stuff like, “I am not racist” or “I do not see colour”, it is a good sign that the opposite is true. Those who have honestly fought against their own racism do not talk like that.

Note: Racism is not just joining the Klan or saying the n-word. Whenever you think or act as if one race is naturally better or worse than another you are being racist.

To overcome their racism people of colour in America have only one wall to overcome, the wall of lies, but white people have five walls:

The wall of lies: America was built on racism – on slavery and genocide. The lies that made that seem right and good are still with us. You see them in schoolbooks, newspapers, Hollywood films, jokes, even in the stuff your parents and friends say. You hear them so much you think they are true. Few question them unless they are stuck on the wrong side of those lies. And even then it can take years. And even then you might not see through them all.

The wall of self-interest: Few people of colour stand to gain from racism: it hurts them in society at large and, if they believe in it themselves, it leads to self-hatred. Not so for white people: racism allows them to have higher incomes, lower unemployment, safer streets, better schools and longer lives. On top of that it allows them to live comfortably in nice houses while black and Latino children in dangerous neighbourhoods go to bad schools.

The wall of the white self: For whites racism is more than just a set of self-serving lies: part of their sense of self worth is built on being white. It makes them feel good because it allows them to think they are better than others.

The wall of white society: Most whites who do see through the lies and see the crying injustice of it all keep their mouth shut. Why? Because they have to live with other white people and fear becoming an outcast. Racism is not even their fight, right? So why should they suffer for it?

The wall of shame and guilt: Those who break through all the other walls come to the worst wall of all: they come face to face with the shame and guilt of being white, something that their racism had largely hid from them until now. I know many whites do not believe in white guilt, but it makes sense of too much. And it is not just me: Dr Beverly Tatum, who studies this sort of thing, says it is the shame and guilt that is the hardest to overcome.
Not that anyone should despair – none of this stuff is impossible – but neither should they fool themselves about what is going on.[/b]

http://abagond./

[quote author=bk/babe97 link=topic=452846.msg6141911#msg6141911 date=1275541934]Did u write that? When and where? Are u, as usual, making stuff up again? Anyhoo, for someone that hates the West so much, why dont u move back to Africa since its such a beacon of hope?! Why stay here and endure all the injustice?



P.S: OOOOHHH, nOW I see where u wrote that? Dude, u think I have the time to read the unintelligible journals and poorly structured essays u stay writing on here? lol. Like Elosela said :"Keep trying" to sound intelligent, one day u'll get a few persons that will believe your stunt!!! Keep the faith![/quote]bkbabe can i ask you a question ?  you say you are part colombian and part "black" why are you on a nigerian forum? why arent you with your colombian people debating - or could it be because your "colombian" father deserted your mother before you were born and now like a discarded piece of rubbish you are floating around looking for a race of people to belong to - listen up mongrel, YOU ARE NOT WELCOME OR WANTED ON THIS FORUM - this forum is for full blooded africans not mongrels who don't know who or what they are,  now scram!!!!

interesting, i liked this guy, very down to earth and intelligent.

bk babe97 did i touch a nerve when i made the statement "3 generations in  a family who have never worked" - did it bring back memories ?

[quote author=bk/babe97 link=topic=452846.msg6140086#msg6140086 date=1275508866]Seems like someone's tryn hard as all hell to sound like the numero uno "English Speaker".lol. Cap28 correcting people? Lol. The world is coming to a bloody end if u ask me![/quote]I just heard a weird buzzing sound but i can't make out where the hell its coming from.

EloSela:
@Cap28

lol. I didn't know there was an 'estate' in Millwall?? You don't even know where Millwall is you Dumba$$! lol

Yep, you are a racist bitter a$$ pillock who does nothing but run off their mouth in a vain attempt to sound come across as intelligent. Why aren't you in Nigeria to helping the youths there? You are so ready to to slag of the Black Brits in Britain and yet turn around to say that you are helping our youths!! So you do some community work yet and now feel the need to blab to the world about it??, Piss off! lol. First you pretend to be a Solicitor and now we are supposed to believe you are this deacon in the community saving Black British youths. What next? The Labour MP for Hackney?? ROTFLMAO!!

Actually i do know where Millwall is and  you know what?  the place is a shithole,  infact the whole of Bermondsey is a shithole, but what makes it so extraordinarily awful is that its full of NEO NAZIS, God knows how you survived in that place, perhaps thats why you love white people so much, cos they beat the living daylights out of you Hahahahahahahaha

Yeah there are loads of "sink estates" in Millwall (for those outside nigeria - these are cesspit housing estates full of the lowest form of human life ) - these are places where you get THREE GENERATIONS in a family  WHO HAVE NEVER WORKED IN THEIR LIVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!and have no intention of doing so, you also have a number of immigrant families(usually africans ) who have been dumped there by the government  to sink or swim, Elosela sounds very much like the kind of girl who grew up in a place like this, this is the sort of place where its normal to see 15 year old girls with 2 kids from 2 different "baby farvers".  In a nutshell the place is hell on earth.  But at least my gyal Elosela thinks its somewhere to be proud of.

So im bitter eh, now why would i be bitter when I've acheived more than you will ever do in  a million lifetimes? 

Out of interest what do you do for a living? let me guess - you work in the service industry  (euphemism for - I do a mindless McJob where i earn minimum wage)

from the way you sound i am 100% sure that that IS ACTUALLY WHAT YOU DO,  your command of the english language leaves a lot to be desired and your inability to construct even the most basic sentences (despite claiming to have been born and raised in the UK)  indicates that your level of "education" is to say the least substandard. 

@DavidIf. Yes I used to live right next to the football ground. My older brothers were football mad so it was handy for them even though they didn't go to watch the game there because the skinheads that used to attend regularly were openly racist. I had more than a few encounters with those racist skinheads as a child. Encounters that made me, rather than broke me. This is why when some newly immigrated Nigerians in the UK start preaching to me about racism in the UK I just laugh because I have seen it all believe me.

for christ's sake at least TRY and learn how to construct grammatical sentences - what do you mean by "newly immigrated"? Jeez - im not even going to bother trying to correct you.

dominique:
when did two wrongs make a right? how can you even justify what he's doing. you are one morally bankrupt and if i'm related to likes of you (thank God i'm not). i would have cut them out of my life ages ago.

say what - I AM MORALLY BANKRUPT but an old man who brought over 15 children into the world with no plan on how to feed them is a paragon of morality? Jeez you need to go see a shrink as soon as possible. 

Let me ask you something, do you think this old man would be bothering with Michael if he were poor and living over in Ghana with him, do you think this man would be making a nuisance of himself tracking Michael's every move if he were some poor nobody in Ghana with him, where has he been for most of Michael's life, oh let me guess fathering more children, give me a break!!!

EloSela:
Yes but, most of Cap28's posts are full of nothing but senseless racist bitter rhetoric in every thread, not just this one. He is free, by all means to wallow in self pity and talk about his own experiences and shortcomings in his life here in the UK. However if he is going assume that every black person in the UK shares his views and feels the way he does then he needs to told.

I for one don’t understand how someone can hate a country so much but choose to live here especially when they have a choice to live in a much better gainful environment like Nigeria.

Cap has clearly stated that the UK is not his home. By his posts it is clearly obvious that he sees Nigeria as his home but some reason he has chosen to reside in the a foreign land, the UK, which, in his view is racist and unjust. I also don't view spewing hatred about a whole race of people on a message board as an adequate way of fighting injustices that he says he has experienced. MRbrownJAY also stated that he felt he was discriminated in UK job market by not being promoted. Did he hang around to bytch all day and night on a public forum? No. My man is off making strides and getting to know the rest of the world instead of resting on his laurels playing the victim like Cap28. I think asking Cap28 if he plans to leave a country that he does not consider home is a valid question.

I don't understand your point. The first time I travelled 'abroad' was to Nigeria. And who told you MLK was Nigerian?

Elosela thanks for being such a fan of my posts, usually i dont debate with illiterates like yourself but ill make the exception this one time, it appears that you can not read or write english properly like your fellow self hating sister angiefan you describe my posts as full of "senseless bitter  racist rhetoric" okay, now take a deep breath sit down and calm yourself down okay.  Do you understand the meaning of that sentence - senseless racist bitter rhetoric, or were these just random words you picked out of a dictionary that you found lying around in your house?- pick out anything, just anything from any posts that i have written and EXPLAIN in simple english WHY YOU THINK it is senseless, racist, bitter and rhetorical.

You see the problem with people like you is that you are as thick as two very large planks and when things become too complicated for you to understand you dismiss it as "senseless racist bitter rhetoric", i put it to you Elosela that NOTHING in any of my posts is senseless, racist, bitter rhetoric at all but HISTORICAL FACT.

What is senseless, racist, bitter  and rhetorical about the fact that blacks suffer higher unemployment than whites, live in poorer areas, suffer higher incidences of police brutality, suffer higher incarceration levels than whites, are less likely to have access to the same quality of health care as whites, suffer higher exclusion levels from educational institutions and many more, but ill keep it simple so that even someone as dim as you can understand.

As i stated to your friend I am far from bitter, I am actually better off than the likes of you who has lived the whole of your life in this country with nothing to show for it, so please forget about using that tired old argument about me being bitter because it simply does not wash, why is it so difficult for people like  you to understand that there are some people who understand that there is more to life than empty materialism.  Ive had a quick browse through your posts, hahahaha  and i can see that you are not the sharpest knife in the toolbox, but some of us see life from a much more serious perspective we dont look at life through the distorted prism of MTV, HiNolly, CNN, BBC and the E Channel. 

In terms of what im doing to change things, a lot more than  you love, I actually work with young black kids who are facing a myriad of problems lightweights like you wouldnt even know where to begin to know how to deal with, so before you conclude that i am according to you "sitting on my laurels" why dont you try getting out there and seeing how your fellow blacks are living in this country, perhaps you could forgo the shopping trip to Spain and avoid being referred to as a "Puta" by white spanish men and use that time more usefully by volunteering and working with young black kids who have been marginalised by a system who has no use for them.

Oh by the way im not that suprised you're as dim as you are - it must be the years spent acquring a non education  in some awful comprehensive school on a rundown estate in Millwall (MILLWALL OF ALL PLACES!!!!!!!!!) out of interest did you live next door to Jade Goody's family?

AngieFan:
Thanks Jare! I was getting tired of corresponding with Cap28 anyway. From now on I will ignore him so he can continue his racist vitriol and ignorance about Britain in peace. I just hope that he chooses to leave the country soon before he self explodes from all that bitterness and angry hate he has inside.

thats my girl, at least you have the common sense to know when you've been beaten, now crawl back into that your little squalid council flat in peckham and get back to watching your favourite programmes - MTV base, east enders and coronation street - anuofia!!!

this old man wants to reap where he did not sow, how can a human being bring so many children into this world with no thought as to how he intends to feed and nurture them, even animals look after their young, okay now that he has produced all these children, it so happens one became a millionaire and now he feels that he deserves a return on what he thinks is his investment.

The old man should go and sit down, that is not how to bring up children, the way you treat your children as they are growing up is the way they will reward you when they become adults themselves. If michael starts spending money on him he will not have learnt that it is wrong to abandon your own flesh and blood when they need you the most.

I personally would not bother with the old man, let him learn his lesson the hard way.

AngieFan:
Cap28, you are indeed a fool.

I don't live in Peckham but if it makes you happy then yes I live right next to Obalende Suya. Ain't no shame in my game. At least I am not a bitter unhappy defeatist victimized deluded i d i o t and make believe solicitor who has trouble spelling basic words and rationalising in a clear and concise manner. And you claim to practise British law? Please Dummy, continue taking your medication and stfu!

Angiefan let me say this very very slowly so that it will sink into your drug addled brain,  I am a solicitor okay and i know it kills you to think that someone like me could come to your beloved Engerland and do so much better than you but it is the truth, I am not an elitist and i am not a pretentious person infact it is because i am not an elitist  that i chose to practice criminal law and not a  financially lucrative area of law like M & A or corporate finance.  

If not that I am very concerned about my personal safety i would have given you my details proving that i am indeed a practicing solicitor registered with the law society, but Im unwilling to run the risk of putting myself in harms way  as I have no idea whether you are some unhinged nutcase and i will not play russian roulette with my life in order to prove a point.

If I were a defeatist as you say there is no way in hell that i could come to the UK and achieve what i have acheived in the face of so many obstacles, oh and by the way I also have a degree in Literature and Linguistics from a Nigerian university, just to give you some more sleepless nights, but hey, i digress,  Angie baby I am doing so much better than you okay but i dont shout it from the rooftops because i understand that individual success means nothing, if the majority of your people live in squalor and poverty, I  come from a comfortable middle class nigerian family where money has never been a problem and this is why I have always been concerned about the plight of the downtrodden man in society, unlike you whose focus in life is material acquisition mine is spiritual enlightenment and contentment.  I understand what your problem is - you are a wanna be, you desperately want acceptance from whites, and thats why you wear your british citizenship on your lapel like a medal, but ive got news for you, you will never be accepted by whites, they see you as a member of an alien race.  What you need to do now is develop some humility and start to learn more about your culture and your people because they are all you've got, believe  me when the chips are down no white person will come to your defense, it doesnt matter how well you speak the queen's english infact you can speak english with a (phony) upper middle class accent until the cows come home, you will forever remain a foreigner in this country, learn humility and you will see that things will change for you but continue in your delusional manner and life will continue to be difficult. good luck

oh and by the way why bother showing me a link advertising OVERPRICED properties in Peckham, for that sort of money you could build 10 palatial mansions in nigeria with a tenth of that money, why would any one in their right mind go and buy a property in squalid Peckham for that sort of money - oh i forgot only "fruitfully employed" british born and bred black british women like yourself. I laugh i wan die

AngieFan:
And you still didn't ans the question. Oh well I guess you are just another bitter, insecure victim playing Nigerian resident in the UK running off your mouth. Solicitor? lol please pull the other one. You communicate like an irrational dustbin cart man and not like the educated Solicitor who practises British Law.

There are houses that in Peckham that are on the market for hundreds of thousands and if I really lived there I wouldn't be ashamed at all.

http://www.woosterstock.co.uk/sales.html?kw=se15

ohh have i touched a nerve - does it upset you to know that im actually doing better than you the supposedly british born and bred black nigerian

the "fruitfully employed" individual who lives in peckham and works for a "global multinational" no YOU pull the other one, your story has more holes in it than a broken sieve - you make me laugh, if you cant deal with the fact that a nigerian who was raised in nigeria has been able to come here and overtake you then im afraid you're going to have to go and hang my friend.

so i communicate like a dustbin cart man - really and still I have been able to secure a better job than you in a country that you claim to have been "born and bred in", i wonder how i was able to swing that one, you who claim to speak the queen's english how far has it got you, arent you still trapped on an estate in peckham, if there's anyone here who sounds bitter i think its you my friend.

AngieFan:
@Cap28
I actually don't live in Peckham but I wouldn't refer to it as a hell hole either. My comment was made in jest and in response to your ramble about living among white people.

Hmm sounds like you are ashamed to admit that you live in Peckham.

I work hard and I see the benefits of my hard work everyday. I am fruitfully employed by a multinational and often travel around the world all expenses paid. I have for the past 6 years been based on and off in various offices around the world and I currently working on global project in California. At the current time I am on vacation at home in the UK where I have a home that is mortgage free.  I don't know about Poles and other Eastern Europeans and what type of work they do in the UK. That isn't where my focus is so sorry I can't answer that. If they are doing better than me here then good for them. Right now I am happy with what I have and thank God for the blessings he has bestowed upon my life and pray for many more. Things aren't perfect but they aren't as bad and negative as you make out either.

fruitfully employed as what? if i may ask, and what benefits have you accrued as a result of your "hard work", oh so you live in a mortgage free house - lets give you a standing ovation - you are not the first neither will you be the last, what great strides have you made for your people or have you been too busy genuflecting and bowing before your white masters?

the global project that you claim to be working on, is it beneficial to the masses of blacks out there who are struggling to make ends meet or is it yet another project by your white masters aimed at keeping blacks oppressed and mired in poverty?

the thing is i couldnt care less whether you are based on the moon or based on planet venus, my issue with you is that you are in denial about racism in this country and you seem to think that i have no right to point out the fact that it exists here.

If you think working for a "global multinational corporation" is some sort of acheivement i beg to differ, i work as a lawyer within the criminal justice system and i see the effects of institutionalised racism on our young black people in this country, i see the damage that it has done to our youth and i see that as a race of people we are under attack by a people who do not want our progress.

You on the other hand think that you are a success because you have been allowed to do some job a white person doesnt want.

However you are obviously very bitter and unhappy about your standing in life and the way you live in the UK and so you really should think about leaving for better climes. Life is too short to continue to harbour resentment for a country you have chosen to live in and people you have live among.

I am far from bitter and unhappy - i am a solicitor and i enjoy the challenges and stresses (i might add) of the job, but my job (and it is only a job and not my life) has opened my eyes to the entrenched racism that exists in this country, unlike you i am concerned at the plight of my people and i am working with other concerned groups to try and do something for the up and coming youth who will in turn face the discrimination that all blacks face in this country.

I choose not to keep my head in the clouds and pretend that everything is fantastic the way you do, i am a realist not a fantasist like you.  America that you claim to jet in and out of is a country that practiced (and still practices albeit covertly)  the most virulent form of racism ever invented,   had it not been for courageous blacks who challenged the white supremacist system in the 1950's and 60's , you wouldnt even have been able to boast about your trip to california as you would have been forced to work and live under a racially segregated system, so while you continue to live in denial why dont you take some time out to find out about the heroes who made sacrifices for the things you so blindly take forgranted today.

i know your job is your life and you probably seek solace in it from the racism you receive as a black woman in britain,  but beleive me there is more to life than working around the clock for white people.

AngieFan:
Cap28

I haven't the time or patience to read your essay especially since you outright refuse to answer the simple question put to you.


Again. When do you intend to leave the UK since you are clearly unhappy and bitter living here?

Another question: If you have no intentions of leaving, do you intend to spend the rest of your life playing victim on Nairaland, bytching about life in the UK?

Angiefan i will leave when you answer the following questions: why is it that you have to work twice as hard as a white person in the country you claim as your own in order to get half as much as whites and why is it that poles, ukrainian, russians, bulgarians and romanians who just started arriving in this country less than five years ago have access to better housing and employment  than you a black british woman who has lived here all your life?

also why is it that despite being born and bred in this country youve still ended up in an inner city hell hole like Peckham - Surely with all the opportunities open to a black british woman like yourself you could have found somewhere a bit more upmarket to live.

when you answer those two questions then i will tell you when i will leave your beloved Engerland  - i await with bated breath

AngieFan:
Yes Cap you are disturbed.

Again when are you planning to leave? Whether you were born in the UK is not the issue or question here. The fact is that you seem to hate the country as all your posts are filled with nothing but the injustices of the land. I have asked you a few times now about when you are planning to leave as you are clearly unhappy in the UK and yet you have chosen to dodge the question both times preferring to indulge in some mindless hyperbole instead.

Why dont you ask the white south africans who complain about Zuma, Malema and co  when they are planning to leave, why dont you ask white zimbabweans who complain about Mugabe's land reform programmes when they are planning to leave?

You are in denial about this country and you expect every other black person to be in denial just like you, but im afraid i will not live and think like you, you have grown up in this country content to be a second class citizen because your white master has taught you that that is all you are worth, if my presence in the UK upsets you - go and jump off a cliff, people who think like me and talk like me will continue to remain here to expose uncle toms like you.

the poster asked a question "have you ever experienced injustice abroad" and i answered the question BY GIVING A HISTORICAL ACCOUNT BASED ON FACTS and you tell me i am spewing hatred on this thread - how can a sane mind think in such a warped fashion.

Do you seriously think that if all blacks were to be repatriated from this country (in the way that the BNP were suggesting some years back ) they would make an exception with  you?  beleive me if a day comes when blacks are deported en masse from this country you will be one of the first to be shipped out.

But you seem intent on negativity. In your eyes Britain has no redeeming factors even though you have chosen to live here when you could be perfectly happy elsewhere? How is the constant abuse of Britons and Britain in general by yourself having any positive affect on your life?

Now i see how far gone you are, why are you so desperate to find redeeming features in a nation that treated your ancestors like chattel, a nation that threw human beings overboard into the atlantic ocean like worthless chaff during the atlantic crossing,  and still does not accord to blacks the same rights that it accords to its WHITE citizens.

Are you aware that despite your undying love for britain - a white south african who arrives in this country today  has access to  better jobs, housing and health care facilities than you a black british person that was "born and bred" here this also applies in the case of a  white canadian, australian, new zealander and even eastern european , do you see why i say you are beyond redemption?

Who told you I lived among whites? Since when was Peckham a white area?   On a serious note, you claim that I am second class citizen in the Uk so would I be a first class one in Nigeria as someone from Delta State? As someone from Delta State would I be allowed to run for governor of a Northern state in Nigeria. Would I or my children be allowed to claim benefits or scholarships from Lagos state seen as I am not indigenous to the state but may have paid taxes for a few years there. Please answer honestly.

It appears you have no understanding of the history of your own country, "nigeria" is an artificial construct created by your white slave master Lugard for financial and political expidiency, at no time in history was "nigeria" ever meant to be one country,  therefore the answer to your question is no you would probably not be allowed to run for governor in the north but why would you want to run for governor in the north when you could do so in your own region - Delta - compare that to you trying to run for a seat in Surrey, Kent or any of the areas with predominantly white populations - do you think you would stand a chance in hell of getting any support in those regions?  The best you could hope for would be to run for a seat in hackney, tottenham, peckham or anyother inner city ghetto with a high concentration of black people.

Well I am proud to be British. If the fact that a black person can say that hurts you so much then you know what you can do. And as for Nigerians being educated in Nigeria better, being better achievers with more direction  than they are in Britain; it is subjective.

it doesnt hurt me at all, i just feel sorry for you, because the white british are not proud to be associated with people who look like you.  You can continue to fly the union jack or the st georges cross for them as for me i am a proud nigerian.

Yes nigerians in nigeria ARE better educated and more ambitious than most british born and bred nigerians - look around you and see how many nigerians born and bred in this country furthered their education or went on to do anything constructive with their lives, the few that did have had every iota of their black identity erased from their psyche, they are black only in appearance.

And whats new? Immigrants normally immigrate to a country because of work so why are you acting brand new about this fact?

No let me reiterate what i said earlier blacks were RECRUITED by the british govt to FILL A GAP in the employment market - it was all part of a plan to redress the labour shortage that occurred as a result of many british men being killed in the second world war, no long term plans were put in place for african and carribean immigrants as was the case in countries like america where WHITE immigration was encouraged,  black immigrants were merely invited to work in britain out of neccessity and when black labour was no longer required as is the case now the govt decided that it would start imposing EMBARGOES on non white countries in order to DISCOURAGE emmigration from those countries to britain, thats why all you hear now is how IMMIGRATION (from africa or the carribean)  is A BIG PROBLEM - the point im making is that we were used as a temporary measure to help rebuild their economies, but now we are surplus to their requirements , they want us to leave, but what i find ironic is that even though YOUR OWN PARENTS came here as african immigrants YOU are joining the hordes of white racists to also call for blacks to leave - unbeleivably hilarious

I am actually home in Britain on vacation at this moment in time. But I was in America working for a British multinational on a global project. I haven't left Britain at all.

Hmm its nice to know that you are proud to be associated with western multinational  corporations who for centuries have been responsible for the destruction and impoverishment of almost every african nation,  but then people like you actually feel honoured working in cahoots with the very people who plunder and destroy your  own country.

Neither do you know nothing about me. Yet you assume that you do because I am black like you. How sad. I still have my doubts though. You were not in the country when the James Bulger story broke otherwise you would have witnessed the British press in their element and how they went to town with it.

I can gauge the sort of person you are from how you write and that is more than enough for me.

As I said , you don't know me, what I do for a living or my life experiences so with all due respect kindly STFU! lol

And im glad i dont because it is depressing to know that black people like you exist. People like  you are an embarrassment to the entire black race, i hear that the BNP are now allowing black people to become members, perhaps you could join as an honourary member - im sure they will find some of your ideas about blacks in this country quite useful.

skfa1:
@ cap

You are pointing out some real fact.I feel you.

thanks bro, the angiefans of this world really get on my nerves

AngieFan:
I am not concerned about your right to be in the UK or not. The question was when are you planning to leave? You seem to have an intense hatred for the British people and country you have chosen to live and work in and so I assumed you were making plans to go back to your beloved Nigeria soon.

Despite claiming to have been born in the UK you seem to have severe problems with comprehending your "mother tongue" english  do you not understand the concept of freedom of speech - again i ask you- are you living in a secure unit where your every conversation is censored and monitored, are you capable of critical thought and analysis or do you prefer to be led by the nose - or perhaps i am answering my own question  

do you understand the meaning of the word "hate" what has hate got to do with the truth - can you point out to me in any of my posts where i have expressed anything hateful, so because i refer to HISTORICAL FACT that equates to hate in your mind - you need serious help.

let me let you in on  something which is obvious to most people with the ability to think - criticism is healthy and critical dialogue is important in order to address the injustice which exists in society.

I find it mind boggling how you always you the same tired redundant argument about white people not liking blacks and that Blacks can never be seen British because whites won't allow it and blacks don't have equal rights as whites etc ect yet you are STILL in Britain by choice!!! Again when are you leaving? And if you have no intentions of leaving will you spend your life writing essays on NL about the injustices of living in my country

You would find it mind boggling because you are a brainwashed uncle tom, you love the fact that you have been allowed to live amongst whites and you cant understand why other blacks arent as grateful about being given the opportunity to live like second class citizens like you.  

If you had any sense of pride in your african ancestry you would understand that the so called good life that you think you are enjoying was built off the sweat and blood of your ancestors, you are not being done any favours you are merely living off the crumbs that whites have CHOSEN to give you.

Yes I am grateful to God for allowing me to be born and raised in the UK.

for your information i too was born in the UK but unlike you i dont wear my british citizenship as  a badge of honour, i have lived in nigeria and in the UK and i can tell you that the average nigerian born and bred in nigeria is 100% better off than the likes of people like you who were born and bred in the UK, many nigerians who grow up in nigeria are better educated and much more ambitious, the UK born nigerians tend to be directionless and low acheivers therefore in order to console themselves that they have acheived somethign they wear their pathetic nominal british citizenship on their sleeves, if indeed you are a true british person why is it that you have to work twice as hard to get half as much as your white counterparts? I know many black british people who are merely marking time in a country that does not want them.

Let me educate you on a few things about the reason blacks were ALLOWED to come to britain - LABOUR SHORTAGE!!!!!!!!!!

after the second world war there was a shortage of labour in this country and the whites recruited unskilled  workers from the carribean and africa - most of the unskilled workers were from the carribean and a lot of the students were  from africa - these people were our parents - this is how the likes of you and i came to be born in this country - so please stop going on about being born in the UK as if its some huge acheivement because its not - there is a limit as to how far people who look like you and i can go in this country and you know it.  Perhaps thats why you've opted to leave and go to america (out of the frying pan into the fire) so come down off of that delusional high horse that you ve placed yourself on and wake up to the real world.

Oh please, I doubt you were even in the UK when that story broke and so you really have no idea of how the British press covered the story back then. Furthermore, if you know anything about the British press and their salacious, desperate, passionate and unorthodox ways of covering a story or piece gossip is second to none in the world so you will know that they didn't get give these guys any special treatment in the media. And that is the reason why you know so much about the story even though as I said I doubt you were even in the country then.

Why do you doubt that i was in this country then, you know nothing about me.

Can you name a case that involved a black criminal was involved and the press showed them no mercy as they did with a white case?

You sound disturbed anyway, who told you to go back to Africa?

again i wonder at your comprehension skills, the point i was making was that the  media portrays blacks in a derogatory manner whilst portryaing their own people in a much more humane and sympathetic light, if you need this to be pointed out to you then you are beyond redemption.

I SOUND DISTURBED - Purleeeze do you know how you sound? Do you think that when  you walk around with a blindfold on trying to shut out the reality of what it means to be black in the west somehow everything will be okay -you need to wake up girl.

Totally unfunny

Eddeux:
All I do know is that if Nigeria breaks up, I'll just be watching here from America thikning "oops, there goes the 'giant' of Africa, maybe Ghana can lead West Africa to develop now  " [/color]

i suggest you turn  your attention back to america and focus on the Poo. state of your country's own economy which is currently heading south rather than worry about nigeria being the giant of africa.

Have you thought about how america is going to pay back the $1 trillion it owes china and Japan?

Eddeux:
Too bad some people who are born to immigrant families here in America, or who's mother or father isn't from this country, all of a sudden decide that they're more loyal to some country thousands of miles away instead of the one that they've been nurished in for years. Not saying all are like this but I've met many who are and it disgusts me. Like seriously if they're gonna have that kind of attitude then they should just go back to their mother or father's country and don't bother coming back.

Hmm so what do you say to italian americans who have their own neighbourhoods and who form organisations like the National Italian American Foundation which promotes their culture and customs and how about Irish americans who openly celebrate st patricks day in over 20 major cities in the US.

Just because you are ashamed of your african ancestry and are trying to assimilate into a culture that doesnt want you doesnt mean that other races should do the same.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Italian_American_Foundation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_American#Sense_of_heritage

Nwaka77:
No, that angiefan is NOT black oh. She is one of those oyinbos that troll an African forum such as this. Also, I feel what you are saying. You have broken things down nicely. Those that don't undertsand the way the rascist whites work should continue to rot in their naive state of mind.

thanks nwaka, i actually read a few of her posts and came across one where she was desperately trying to declare to the world how she identifies more with being british rather than being nigerian, despite - wait for it having black african nigerian parents, - this from an individual who lives or lived in a country like the UK where it is openly stated by whites that you cannot be english or british unless you are white, i really feel sorry for the angiefans of this world who are so confused and delusional that they attempt to try to assimilate into a society and culture that does not want them, they are suffering from what the nigerian academic Chinweizu calls Negrophobia a morbid fear and hatred of anything which reminds them of who they really are - also known as the michael jackson syndrome.

AngieFan:
The country I was born and bred in takes precedence over my father's country Nigeria. That being said I have respect and acknowledge Nigeria as the land of my father.

My father's house is not my house.

God bless the child that has his own.

unfortunately for you the owners of the country that you claim to have been born and bred in do not see you as being one of them if they did you wouldnt have to struggle twice as hard to get half as much as the whites do - sad but true, therefore you can claim to be british born and bred but the harsh truth is that you remain black and alien in the white mans eyes.

God bless the child that has his own but God bless the child who is wise and doesnt shut his eyes to the truth

AngieFan:
I assume that you read all about this crime in the British media and so can you explain 'how' exactly the whites hide this terrible tragedy and others like it?


Furthermore are you making preparations to leave the UK or do you intend to spend the rest of your life bytching about the injustices of being black in the UK on Nairaland forever

you know your response reminds me of the kind of statements that you hear from right wing nut jobs like the aryan brothers and various other neo nazi groups in europe and north america. what you have said is exactly what they say whenever blacks call whites out on their racism, i was unaware that if you live in a country where you face discrimination you are barred from speakign out against it.  Perhaps you live in a gestapo police state where freedom of speech is banned.

Since you share views similar to many neo nazi racists groups who beleive blacks should put up with racism or just "go back to africa" why dont you apply the same argument to white south africans who complain of so called "reverse racism" or "white zimbabweans" who complain about being maltreated by the mugabe regime, something tells me though that when it comes to whites you are more than willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.

I am completely baffled as to why a black person (i assume you are black) would jump to the defence of people who continuously treat you and people who look like you with contempt.

I have every right to be in the UK and i do not need to justify my position to you.

If you are one of those nigerians who are grateful for being given the opportunity to live in the west, please be aware that there are many black africans who do not think like you.

with regard to your point about the child murder case yes i did read about that in the news but there is a big difference between the media coverage of a murder case and the constant bombardment by the same media of NEGATIVE images of africans in order to create a certain image of africans in the minds of the public.

the coverage of the jamie bulger murder case portrayed the murderers as victims of a broken society, they were not objectified and put on display in the way that africans are, the public were invited to look at the lives of these boys in order to find solutions as to why society had produced children that could have it in them to attack and kill other children.

So please my dear Angiefan i know that you are extremely grateful for being given the opportunity of a lifetime to live in the west, and i know that most of what i say bursts your delusional bubble but you cant runaway from the truth, the attitudes of whites towards blacks is inherently racist and will never change, and  i would suggest you look at the world around you objectively before you tell me to "go back to africa".

dayokanu:
cap28,

Lets do some soul searching here. Human tend to look suspicious at things different from them


If you are Nigerian from the Southern part how do you view the typical Hausaman? Dirty, stinking, illiterate etc despite the fact that we are all Nigerians, despite the fact that we are all black skinned, despite the fact that you know a lot of succesful Hausamen who are leaders in the country.

If we as Nigerians could view fellow Nigerians like that, How much more a foreigner/white person to Black.

How does the average Nigerian view the Togolese and Beninoise that come to Nigeria to seek greener pastures.

Remember a time where our Govt sent out all Ghanaians in operation Ghana must go. I am not sure any white country has carried out a clean out of foreign blacks like we did Ghanaians.

Even look at some posters on this board like Mekusxx, Dede1 and co. The way they talk about their fellow Southerners, even the way they talk about their fellow Igbo people (Ngwa) then you shouldnt be baffled by the random white guy who talks down on you if a black man can do that to a fellow black.

i am not talking about people looking at you in a "suspicious" way because you are different from them, i am aware that that is normal and it is human nature,  i am talking about an inherent, entrenched feeling of superiority that 99.99% of whites feel towards black people which is  reflected in the way that they treat blacks and which in the case of north america was backed up by LAW.  

Have you heard of the Racial Integrity Act ? It was an act passed in 1924 by the state of Virginia legislature in the US which LEGALISED discrimination on the grounds of race - it was enacted because there was a growing concern amongst whites in america at the time for the need to keep the white race "clean" - here is what the act stipulated:

The Racial Integrity Act required that a racial description of every person be recorded at birth and divided society into only two classifications: white and colored (all other, essentially, which included numerous American Indians). It defined race by the "one-drop rule", defining as colored, persons with any African or Indian ancestry. It criminalized miscegenation, classifying marriage between a white person and a non-white person as a felony. In 1967 the law was overturned by the United States Supreme Court in its ruling on Loving v. Virginia.

Essentially JUST ONE DROP of african blood made you black, it didnt matter how far back you had to go in order to trace your african ancestry, this has resulted in the situation that we have in the west today where someone who has some trace of african ancestry despite looking white may have to resort to going to court in order to be granted the "right" to call  themselves white - as was the case with a woman by the name of susan guillory phipps who had to take her case to the supreme court to have the word "coloured " removed from her birth certificate and replaced with "white" because she was only 1/32nd black !!!

http://louisianalineage.com/margarita.htm

this seems to suggest that having any trace of black blood in you TAINTS you and prevents  you from becoming a member of what the whites see as a superior race of people.

Now to compare such an insidious system of separating people along the lines of race with what obtains in nigeria between different tribes is ludicrous.  There are severe consequences for people who fall into the "wrong" racial group in the west in  terms of the type of job you can get, where you can live or afford to live, where you can send your children to school, who are likely to want to associate with you, the list goes on, you cannot compare this to the inter ethnic frictions that occur in nigeria, no one will make a (negative) judgement about you before you open your mouth, noone will prevent you from living in a certain area because they dont want to associate with people of your colour, noone will pull out their children from schools if they find out that people of your kind are sending too many of their children to that school, noone will ostracise you if they find out a member of their family is in a relationship with you.  The nigerian situation is mostly what happens where multi ethnic groups with differing cultures and languages are forced to live together as one unit, there is no love lost between the  british, the welsh, the irish and the scots  mainly because the british have dominated the other groups and ruled over them, the irish and the british have been embroiled in a conflict which escalated into full scale war and hostilities between these two groups continue till today, however when the chips are down all of these groups are able to come together and form an alliance.  Lets not even bother talking about the animosity between teh british and the european continent.  Inter ethnic conflict is NORMAL, but it is only when blacks practice it in africa that it is demonised and compared to racism - there is no comparison.

I dont agree with the point in bold. I think you are responsible for what you make of yourlife.

Have you thought about how the Indian community in America? Hardly do you find any top corporate organisation without an Indian at the top. Look at the Medical doctors, Financial Analyst, and especially in IT world they rule America. Most of them cant speak English self, but hardly do you find them in Jail, Hardly do you see an Indian male working at Burger King and doing menial jobs.

you dont have to agree with it but the facts and statistics speak for themselves, i think you are very naive if you think that blacks would do well in a system which was put into place in  order to create a racial hierarchy of power with whites at the top and blacks at the bottom, to suffer that level of delusion is pure idiocy.  Common sense should tell you that if i seek to keep you down i will restrict your access to anything that may put you on an equal footing with myself. 

why dont you ask yourself why blacks were denied the vote until 1964 despite being in the US for over 400 years.  If someone has prevented  you from exercising the most basic of rights in a so called democracy why would he create opportunities for you to progress, surely the reason he prevents you from voting is to stop you from putting into office people who would help pass laws which would create jobs and other opportunities for your people.  Blacks are at the bottom of the socio economic ladder in the US despite being in the country even longer than some white communities because they were SHUT out of the system, despite being law abiding tax payers they were not allowed  equal access to jobs, housing, education, health care, bank loans  and other social services whites and other minority groups were assisted with. 

Many white immigrants from eastern europe who arrived in america at the turn of the 20th century with just the clothes on their backs were able to move up the socio economic ladder with ASSISTANCE from the US govt by virtue of access to mortgages, employment offers and other incentives which were DENIED to blacks.  No matter how determined you are to make something of your life you will be faced with an uphill struggle  if an entire system is designed to KEEP YOU OUT and KEEP YOU DOWN, very few will be able to stay strong in the face of such huge obstacles and this is why many blacks become frustrated and fall by the wayside.

Indians face discrimination as well in the west but they are given more of a chance in terms of access to employment more so than blacks, like i said there is a racial hierarchy which exists in the west with blacks deliberately kept at the bottom, in order to retain the structure of racism, the whites who run the system  grant certain concessions to other groups, if you are a membr of another race which is being treated slightly better than a black person you are more likely to support the dominant group in order to keep benefitting from the system, however if all non whites were treated equally bad they could band together to try to overthrow the dominant white racist group, the whites are clever and they know this so they operate the divide and rule strategy which works because asians actually distance themselves from blacks and join forces with whites to perpetuate racism - whites of course do not allign themselves with blacks and therefore blacks remain out in the cold as the scape goat.  

Tell me something, Were this pictures doctored?

Did you see pictures of the Jos carnage? What should a white man think when he sees that?

Did you see footage of election violence? What should a white man think when he sees that?

Did you see youtube of a suspected thief being burnt alive? What should a white man think when he sees that?

Did you see videos of the church in Akwa Ibom where children were tortured for being witches? Some were burnt, Some had their head nailed. What should a white man think when he sees that?

Didnt a Nigerian senator just marry a 13yr old? What should a white man think when he sees that?

I am even talking about Nigeria which isnt t war, Compare that to Sudan, Sierra Leone, Congo and Somalia that are war ravaged

Is the HIV, war and stuff you see on TV are they fake or made up by the white journalist?

How many times do you see whites washing their dirty linen in public? i have worked in the criminal justice system in this country and i can tell you that whites tend to be more violent and criminal minded than blacks, many young white kids are engaged in crime from a very young age but because the system treats them differentlyfrom the way they treat blacks  attempts are made to put them on the straight and narrow at an early stage and a lot of the time these kids are diverted away from a life of crime by the steadfast support of police, social workers, psychologists and other groups who work with them.

17 years ago in this country two ten year old white boys lured a toddler to an isolated train track, where they sexually assaulted him and then beat him to into a state of unconsciousness with a brick, after which they dumped his body on a train track where his body was subsequently run over by a train,  the nation was in shock, the questions being asked were, what could make two ten year old boys committ something so heinous and satanic? both of these boys were convicted of murder and placed in a young offenders unit until they reached the age of 18 .  They were then  released under orders of the home secretary  given new identities and were allowed to start new lives!!!! 


here is an excerpt from a report of the murder:

Four boys found James’s (the victim) body on the tracks on Sunday afternoon, when they went up to the train tracks to look for footballs. At first they thought he was cat, then a doll, torn into two. Jon and Robert (the killers) had laid out James directly on the track, aware that a train would come by soon. Perhaps they believed that the community would think it was an accident that James had wandered up to the tracks on his own and was run over. Or that if the train hit James, it would destroy all clues. His upper body was hidden within the coat. His lower body was further down the tracks, completely undressed. He had suffered 42 injuries, most to his face and head and had not died during the attack, but some time before the train hit him. Jon and Robert had left him while he was still alive.


Today the monsters who perpetrated this atrocity are free and live under new identities but one of them despite being given this chance has reverted back to a life of crime.

Many people despite being horrified at what these boys did, saw them more as victims of broken homes and terrible upbringing more so than monstrous criminals, imagine if these boys had been black boys do you think they would ever have been given a second chance to start their lives afresh?

http://www.murderuk.com/child_killers_thompson_venables.html

You have to accept that whites cleverly hide the criminal tendencies of their own people while blaring from the rooftops the criminal activity of blacks.  

I was shocked to find that young white kids as young as 11 have already secured convictions for crimes as serious as  assault with a deadly weapon, criminal damage, arson, burglary, car theft.  Many blacks kids with similar tendencies tend to get maximum sentences and are criminalised for LIFE by the system.

you are listing some of the worst practices that occur in nigeria as if they represent the norm, why not list what goes on amongst whites in the west:

paedophilia and paedophile rings which are run by rich and powerful white men
incest - very rampant amongst whites
child abuse - extremely prevalent amongst whites


how many times do you see documentaries about these topics on the tv.

Shell BP ordered the death of Ken Saro Wiwa

"have you ever experienced injustice abroad"

Hmm - how long have you got? my answer is yes, all the time.

many nigerians who have never lived in europe, north america, canada, australia or any other nation with a majority white population will never understand what it feels like to be looked down upon because of the colour of their skin - in this instance the colour being black/brown, UNTIL they live in any of the above mentioned countries.

In a nutshell whites look down on blacks and it doesnt end there other minority groups in the west ALSO look down on blacks! as a result wherever you go in the west as a black person you are constantly in a battle, things that other races take forgranted are things that you have to fight for. Most blacks are disrespected and the benefit of the doubt is rarely accorded to blacks until you prove yourself.

Many nigerians are totally oblivious to this because a lot of the time it is subtle, but blacks who were born and bred in the west understand it and can smell it a mile off. Most whites are superficiallly well mannered and courteous towards blacks because they know that there are negative consequences for not doing so, therefore apart from the odd neo nazi jerkoff most whites WILL NEVER BE RACIST TO YOUR FACE, however actions speak louder than words and the average white person is INHERENTLY RACIST AND CANNOT HELP LOOKING DOWN ON BLACK PEOPLE.

As they say actions speak louder than words and the actions of whites demonstrates how they feel about blacks as many of them prefer to socialise with their own people
usually chose NOT to socialise with blacks,
do not like to educate their children in schools which are predominantly black,
definitely do not like to live amongst blacks.

The average white person with a good education, good job and bright prospects will usually have little or nothign to do with a black person on a social level, the main reason for this being the consequnces of being cut off by friends and family for doing so.

some people might say - what do i care what people think of me , well if like many nigerians who live abroad you attend a college, or you work or interact with main stream (white) society in any way you cant avoid suffering injustice, you are constantly reminded that you are different but not different in a nice way, different in a way which suggests that you are less of a person than they are.

As a result many blacks in the west suffer - high unemployment, poor housing, poor access to health care, high incarceration rates, fragmentation of the family unit and many other social evils brought about as a direct result of racial discrimination.

I can only speak for the UK, but im sure similar situations obtain in north america and canada but blacks here are more likely to suffer mental health problems and be institutionalised moreso than any other group in this country.

Also the criminal justice system treats blacks much more harshly than whites and in fact despite blacks in this country making up only 5% of the total population we constitute 11% of the prison population.

The media's representation of blacks particularly africans is relentlessly negative, depicting us as victims, i am sick to my stomach of seeing pictures of starving african children with flies in the corners of their mouths in war torn hell holes on tv. Im sick and tired of seeing adverts on tv appealing to middle class whites to contribute 50p a month to build a bore hole in some godforsaken hell hole in africa, im sick and tired of watching documentaries about prepubescent black south african girls being raped by gangs of animalistic black south african men, im sick of seeing "fair trade" posters with pictures of emaciated african children, im sick of watching documentaries about how HIV AIDS is decimating the population of africa - THIS IS WHY EVERY NATIONALITY IN THE WORLD looks down on africans THE WESTERN MEDIA HAS DESTROYED THE IMAGE OF THE AFRICAN and we are not helping as many of us are ignorant as to their agenda towards us.

until a great black nation is founded which is powerful enough to stand up to the west and take control of its economic and political destiny, blacks will continue to catch hell in the west, so if your friend is mentally resilient enough to absorb all of the above tell him/her to proceed.

Nigerians are very religious people, we spend millions of naira on donations to churches despite the grim poverty and injustice which prevails in our country. 

The average christian nigerian cant get enough of the bible, forever quoting one verse or the other, but perhaps it would be instructive to go back to the origins of our obsession with christianity.

Renowned nigerian scholar and historian Professor Chinweizu Ibekwe analyses the historical origin of christianity in africa in the following article:

[b]by Chinweizu
Posted to the Web: Thursday, October 06, 2005

Letter from King Leopold II of Belgium to Colonial Missionaries, 1883
The letter which follows is Courtesy of Dr. Vera Nobles and Dr. Chiedozie Okoro.

“Reverends, Fathers and Dear Compatriots: The task that is given to fulfill is very delicate and requires much tact.  You will go certainly to evangelize, but your  evangelization must inspire above all Belgium interests.  Your principal objective in our mission in the Congo is never to teach the niggers to know God, this they  know already.  They speak and submit to a Mungu, one Nzambi, one Nzakomba, and what else I don’t know.  They know that to kill, to sleep with someone else’s  wife, to lie and to insult is bad.  Have courage to admit it; you are not going to teach them what they know already.  Your essential role is to facilitate the task of  administrators and industrials, which means you will go to interpret the gospel in the way it will be the best to protect your interests in that part of the world.  For these  things, you have to keep watch on disinteresting our savages from the richness that is plenty [in their underground. To avoid that, they get interested in it, and make  you murderous] competition and dream one day to overthrow you.

Your knowledge of the gospel will allow you to find texts ordering, and encouraging your followers to love poverty, like “Happier are the poor because they will  inherit the heaven” and, “It’s very difficult for the rich to enter the kingdom of God.”  You have to detach from them and make them disrespect everything which gives  courage to affront us.  I make reference to their Mystic System and their war fetish-warfare protection-which they pretend not to want to abandon, and you must do  everything in your power to make it disappear.

Your action will be directed essentially to the younger ones, for they won’t revolt when the recommendation of the priest is contradictory to their parent’s teachings.   The children have to learn to obey what the missionary recommends, who is the father of their soul.  You must singularly insist on their total submission and  obedience, avoid developing the spirit in the schools, teach students to read and not to reason.  There, dear patriots, are some of the principles that you must apply.   You will find many other books, which will be given to you at the end of this conference.  Evangelize the niggers so that they stay forever in submission to the white  colonialists, so they never revolt against the restraints they are undergoing.  Recite every day-“Happy are those who are weeping because the kingdom of God is for  them.”

Convert always the blacks by using the whip.  Keep their women in nine months of submission to work freely for us.  Force them to pay you in sign of  recognition-goats, chicken or eggs-every time you visit their villages. And make sure that niggers never become rich.  Sing every day that it’s impossible for the rich to  enter heaven.  Make them pay tax each week at Sunday mass. Use the money supposed for the poor, to build flourishing business centres.  Institute a confessional  system, which allows you to be good detectives denouncing any black that has a different consciousness contrary to that of the decision-maker.  Teach the niggers to  forget their heroes and to adore only ours.  Never present a chair to a black that comes to visit you.  Don’t give him more than one cigarette.  Never invite him for  dinner even if he gives you a chicken every time you arrive at his house.

“The above speech which shows the real intention of the Christian missionary journey in Africa was exposed to the world by Mr. Moukouani Muikwani Bukoko,  born in the Congo in 1915, and who in 1935 while working in the Congo, bought a second hand Bible from a Belgian priest who forgot the speech in the Bible. —  Dr. Chiedozie Okoro

We should note:
1] that all missionaries carried out, and still carry out, that mandate. We are only lucky to have found King Leopold’s articulation of the aim of all Christian imperialist  missionaries to Africa.

2] Even the African converts who today manage the older churches in Africa (the priests, bishops, Archbishops, Cardinals etc of the Roman and Protestant sects),  and especially also those who evangelize Born-Again Christianity, still serve the same mandate. Which is why they demonize African gods and Anglicize African  names, and drop the names of African deities which form part of African names; and still attack and demolish the African shrines that have managed to survive, e.g.  Okija.

3] Those Africans who voluntarily converted to Christianity before the colonial conquest such as Affonso I of the BaKongo in the 15th century probably did not  discern the purpose of the brand of Christianity that was supplied to them. Which was probably why they fell easy prey to the missionaries and the white traders and  pirates who followed them.

But their Japanese counterparts probably did discern the game, even without access to some version of Leopold’s letter. But even if the Japanese Shoguns did not  intuit what Leopold makes explicit, they clearly realized the danger of Japanese converts to Christianity forming a fifth column within Japanese society and state, a fifth  column loyal to their co-religionists in Europe. To rid Japan of that danger, in the late 16th century, the Shoguns began their expulsion of Portuguese and Spanish  missionaries on the grounds that they were forcing Japanese to become Christian, teaching their disciples to wreck temples, taking and trading slaves, etc. Then, in  1596, it became clear to the Japanese authorities that Christianization had been a prelude to Spanish conquest of other lands; and it quickly dawned on them that a  fifth column loyal to Rome and controlled by the priests of a foreign religion was a clear and present danger to the sovereignty of a newly unified Japan.  Soon after,  the persecution and suppression of Japanese Christians began. Early in the 17th century, sensing the danger from a creed that taught obedience to foreign priests  rather than the Japanese authorities, all missionaries were ordered to leave and all Japanese were ordered to register at the Buddhist temples. When Japanese  Christians took part in a rebellion, foreign priests were executed, the Spanish were expelled and Japanese Christians were forbidden to travel abroad. After another  rebellion, largely by Christians, was put down, the Japanese Christians were suppressed and their descendants were put under close state surveillance for centuries  thereafter. In the 1640s all Japanese suspected of being Christians were ruthlessly exterminated. Thus did Japan, by 1650, save itself from the first European attempt  to mentally subvert, conquer and colonize it.

4] The African captives who were taken abroad and enslaved, and the Africans at home after the European conquest, having already been forcibly deprived of their  autonomy, were in no political  position to resist Christianization. Thus the Christianity still practised in all of the African American diaspora, just as that in the African  homeland since the start of the 20th century, continues to carry out the Leopoldian mandate.
Hence, for example, whereas the White Born-Agains of the USA, when in the US Navy ships in WWII, sang:

“Praise the Lord,
And pass the ammunition,” the attitude of African Born-Again converts today is best summed up as :
“Praise the Lord,
And lie down for the manna.”

Thanks to a century or more of this Leopold-mandated missionary mind control, African Christians are not an activist, self-helping, economically engaged, politically  resolute, let alone militant bunch. Hence their putting up with all manner of mistreatment and exploitation by their misrulers, white and black. The most they are  disposed to do to their misrulers is to admonish them to “Fear God!”—as one protester’s miserable placard read in last week’s Lagos demonstration against the  latest of the murderous fuel price hikes by the OBJ Misgovernment.  The idea of an uprising to tame their misrulers is alien to the religiously opiated frame of mind of  the Nigerians.

5] The lesson in the contrast between an Africa that the Christian missionaries brainwashed and subverted, and a Japan where this brainwashing and  subversion was  forcibly prevented, is stark and clear. What then must Africans of today begin to do to save themselves from brainwashing by their White World enemies here on  earth?—That is the question.[/b]