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[quote author=bk.babe97y link=topic=505912.msg6774414#msg6774414 date=1284774620]All your theories are nice and dandy, but point is still NOI members, FELLOW BLACKS, killed Malcolm X!!! Nobody can force or deceive me to kill my own brother, the NOI killed its own: HOW THE HELL IS THAT THE FAULT OF THE WHITE MAN?[/quote]bkbabe they are not MY THEORIES they are facts based on concrete evidence- some of this information is now declassified and can be  obtained under the freedom of information act from your national archives.     

Yes fellow blacks killed Malcolm and there is no justification for that but consider the fact that at that time Malcolm was widely regarded as a traitor by fellow NOI members for exposing Elijah Muhammed's immoral activities with teenage girls within the organisation.  Elijah Muhammed was desperate to have Malcolm silenced because Malcolm had exposed him for the fraud that he was.  Since Malcolm was a major thorn in the side of the white establishment as well, the FBI decided that this would be a great opportunity to have Malcolm silenced once and for all.
All they (the FBI) needed to do was to sow the seeds of discord then stand back and watch the destruction  and this is what happened.  Infact this was so easy for the FBI because they didnt even have to do the work themselves, because the infighting and hatred towards Malcolm was already underway.

You say that this is not the fault of the white man - well it depends on how you look at it, most human beings are out to satisfy their own selfish personal interests, Malcolm was a rarity in that he was not a selfish leader - he wanted justice for blacks and he didnt care who he had to expose in order to acheive it, he was uncompromising when it came to the truth, Elijah Muhammed on the other hand was a fraud and a charlatan who preached one thing but practiced the opposite.  In a bid to save his reputation and credibility amongst his followers he decided to collude with the white establishment in order to get rid of one of the most honourable black leaders that has ever come out of the african american community and possibly the world.

In as much as we are all responsible for our own actions you must remember that the white man is constantly watching us and looking for any weakness that he can use to bring us down, in that respect the white man is totally at fault because he does not see us as his brother but an enemy who is to be crushed and destroyed at every opportunity.

When i say Ojukwu is a useless failure people think I am being too harsh, it just goes to show you where this man's reall interest lies.  To think that this megalomaniac has not ventured anywhere near this camp in 40 years, but can still find time to shamelessly make a nuisance of himself in Aso rock trying to curry favour with people who couldnt care less whether he lives or dies.  A failed megalomaniac who led 3m of his own people to their death and then like a true coward ran away and came back to join forces with the same people who massacred his own people, if it were that igbo people could reason properly they would see this man for what he is - a hopeless, power crazed opportunist, any way he will be judged for 3m innocents who died because of his reckless ambition.

See how life is - like the shameless man that he is he is now begging for an audience from people who couldnt care less whether he is alive or dead - karma is a b.it.ch!

What Gowon is saying is true, but the problem is that the youth in nigeria are not radical enough in their thinking to even understand that their destiny lies in their own hands.

If you look at most revolutionary movements in countries all over the world, they are usually initiated by the youth, the younger generation have a lot more to offer as they are untainted by money, corruption and greed, the most successful revolutionary movements have always been galvanised and initiated by the youth, but the nigerian youth have been indoctrinated into a sheepish follow follow type behaviour, many of them do not read widely and therefore have no understanding of world issues and struggles of oppressed groups all over the world, as a result , seventy year old tyrants and ex drug barons can easily bamboozle them with sweet words and false promises and therefore the cycle continues.

chyz:
I wish there were more people like you on NL.People who no the actual root causes of the destruction of nigeria and Africa as a whole. So by your observation and the major influence the U.S. has on many of the decisions of African countries, do you think that this Africom can be prevented?

Thanks chyz, the information is out there but its up to us as a people to educate ourselves and understand what we are up against , time is fast running out and the oyibo man is intent on consolidating his position of power in the world, many of us need a complete overhaul in terms of our way of thinking, first of all we need to get rid of this fallacy that the west is our friend, they have never been and never will be our friends, america and britain are imperialists nations their main objective is to consolidate their economic, political and ideological supremacy in  the world.  many black people do not understand that we are at war with them albeit a covert war whcih is being fought on so many different fronts - economic, political and ideological.  They control us economically through their imperialist financial institutions such as the world bank and the imf, they control us politically by using saboteur agents like IBB, Obasanjo and others  to implement economic policies which impoverish the vast majority of ordinary nigerians and enrich a select few who choose to sell out their own people,  they control us ideologically through our educational system which teaches us that everything western is superior and everything african is inferior, they control us through religion which teaches us to be docile, passive and hope for a better life after we die, whereas the white man knows that if you can't live a decent life on earth now, you might as well be dead.
If you sit down and analyse our situation you will find out that we are an enslaved people.


The only way AFRICOM can be prevented from establishing on the african continent is through concerted organised resistance by african people, if you look at what has happened AFRICOM has been let in through the back door by useless saboteurs who do not care about the implications of this very serious action.  How can you call yourself a sovereign nation when you have foreign troops in huge numbers located permanently in your territory.  commonsense should tell you that if the country that sent those foreign troops so desire they can overthrow any govt on that continent that does not go along with their economic policies.  Its not as if america does not have a track record of doing such things in the past.  Its just that our people do not like to read and know what is going on in the world,if we were a curious people we would understand the true motive behind africom - RECOLONISATION OF AFRICA AND ITS NATURAL RESOURCES.
Its time to wake  up and stop reasoning like simpletons, we are at war with these people.

MOBO444:
My black brother look at what you are saying, we all know our culture and custom, dont those chiefs and alhaji have up to 6 wifes and they dont see some of them for like 3 month or even one year, so what are you saying, they are so many single Black women in Nigeria that are ready for just anything called marriage right now, even as a baby production wife.

Poster you are not reasoning properly, culture and customs are not static, remember our forefathers used to think that twin births were an abomination and it was seen as normal to  abandon them in the bush , how come we don't practice such barbarity today?  You can't keep living in the past, you are using arab countries as yardsticks when these countries are known for their barbaric treatment of women, Are you aware that in some arab countries women who do not have male issues are rolled up inside carpets and set on fire for being "unproductive"?  These are the type of countries you beleive we should be looking up to?

You and your cousin need to wake up and realise that women are no longer willing to allow themselves to be treated like housemaids and donkeys, cooking, cleaning, and getting nothing back in return.  As i said if your cousin is not willing to compromise he will find himself going through multiple divorces with nigerian women as well as so called akatas.

poster you and your cousin sound like retarded male chauvinist pigs.

First of all which man in his right mind would have a wife living thousands of miles away in another country and feel that he is in a proper relationship and which self respecting woman would allow herself to be used just to "make babies"?

You and your cousin sound very backward, if your cousin is so paranoid about bringing "kehinde" to america why cant he find a so called "akata" - i think we both know the answer to that - because they would never put up with being treated like a housemaid and baby factory, as you know, the divorce rate in the western world is astronomical as 50% of marriages end in divorce - and that is even where the couple have a lot in common and were in  "love"  before they decided to tie the knot. 

My advice to that your cousin is stop trying to eat your cake and have it too, its either you bring the girl over and take a gamble (by the way 50% of marriages btwn nigerians from back home and those based abroad also end in divorce) or you find an akata that you have some things in common with and learn to compromise - dont expect her to put up with abusive and chauvinistic behaviour though as akatas do not have the tolerance level for abuse that nigerian women have.

Chyz the one mistake you have made is to assume that the likes of Jonathan and his cronies are not in on this AFRICOM deal. The truth is nigerian politicians do not really have any real power when it comes to the foreign multinationals, take it from me when i say that nigeria is now being run by shell, exxon mobil and chevron - the nigerian govt is merely an agent for these multinational organisations. If you look at the way multinationals operate you will understand that by virtue of their financial might as well as the military backing that they receive from their countries of origin - (in this instance the US and Britain), they control the economy as well as the internal politics of of any nation that they are intrested in controlling.

Its not just in nigeria that you find this type of situation - it is all over the world. Look at the US govt and its relationship with multinational organisations, banks and other major corporations, these powerful organisations control congress by way of lobby groups who spend billions of dollars bribing and co-opting congress to pass bills that protect and safeguard their interests.

Therefore if these foreign multinationals can control their own govt, is it the nigerian govt that they won't be able to control and co-opt? Jonathan is very much aware of the implications of this so called regional security pact, you should ask yourself why the americans went out of their way to facilitate his rise to power. The bitter truth is that he agreed to do what Yaradua would not do - accelerate the sale of our public services to foreign owned companies for chicken change.

Now the americans have selected their preferred candidate for the presidency - IBB, everything has been predetermined as far as nigeria's presidency is concerned - the americans want someone who will allow them to continue to loot and plunder our natural resources and that person is IBB. The Africom deal has sealed nigeria's fate because we will soon officially become a continent occupied by foreign troops. No country which is occupied by foreign troops ever regains its sovereignty without going to war.

Unfortunately a lot of black people are finding it too difficult to come to terms with the fact that once again they have been bamboozled by the white establishment in america, sadly its true Obama REALLY IS A PUPPET OF THE WHITE ESTABLISHMENT. To be precise he is a puppet of the right wing jewish zionists as well as wall street (criminal) bankers. Americans are about to find out the hard way that it does not pay to be ignorant of what is going on around you.

I continue to marvel at the way our people reason, frosbel and je soul please tell me why Farrakhan is a racist?

Have you ever listened to any of his speeches?  Does he spread lies and falsehoods in a bid to incite racial hatred or does he tell black people the truth about what is  happening to them in a world where they are powerless?

Je soul your way of thinking is really dangerous because it causes you to live in a state of false consciousness, Farrakhan as far as I know provides black people in the world with information about what is really going on around them and because the white establishment is terrified of the oppressed peoples of the world rising up to dislodge them from their position they try to discredit him by calling him a racist and a race baiter, these are tactics that have been used time and time again by the enemy when he wants to keep us ignorant and backward and yet we still havent understood the game.

bawomolo:
the same louis farrakhan who refuses to admit the NOI killed malcolm x? oh wait, the white man did that also

You obviously are completely unaware of the fact that malcolm x was under surveillance by the FBI right up until his death.
The FBI infiltrated the NOI and fomented antagonism towards Malcolm, many NOI members were extremely jealous of Malcolm and therefore it was easy for them to be used to get at him and this is what happened.

 A govt sponsored programme was set up by FBI head  - J Edgar Hoover, Hoover was a rabid racist and wanted all militant black men in america either dead or in prison for life, the programme which was funded and supported by the US govt was known as COINTELPRO.

If you look at the way in which Malcolm was assasinated you will know that it was a govt sponsored hit, the Audubon ballroom where Malcolm was giving a speech on that fateful day was crawling with FBI informants and plain clothes policemen, isnt it funny how the plain clothes policemen could not prevent the shooting.

You better wake up and understand what is going on the world okay, the US govt eliminates militant blacks who get in the way and Malcolm was regarded as one of the most charismatic and electric speakers ever to come out of the african american community.  He was seen as a major threat to the white establishment because he was waking up black people to their plight at the hands of a white supremacist enemy this is why he was eliminated.

Its so easy to blame Farrakhan for this but I can tell you that Farrakhan himself was being manipulated by the white establishment and did not realise that certain negative statements that he had made about Malcolm prior to his death would come back to haunt him and even raise suspicions about whether he was actually involved in Malcolm's murder.

I beleive that there were disgruntled elements within the NOI who were jealous of Malcolm and wanted him dead but it was the FBI who gave the order for him to be killed and in order to cover their tracks they used disgruntled NOI members to do the job.


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Sagamite:
Honestly, I have always said it.

These 2 guys need to see a psychiatrist soon, before things get too far out of hand.

Mr Sagamite aka Loony tunes calling erudite scholars like myself and Horus crazy - wonders shall never end 

@cap28,
oh my goodness, you have some extreme views (note - not all, just some). I'm sorry to say but people can't all go around blaming others for their misery ok. life is full of it besides It's completely pathetic to do that  .
I do hope you realize that at the end of the day white, black, yellow are all thesame. Life is a freaking game to some, perhaps that's the reason we got ripped off not to mention greed. However, it's no reason for so much hate, otherwise ,you'd waste most of your life hating people and feeling miserable - much like those people in the white only cult oops sorry i said that.
We can only seek to do better with what we know now and maybe change the future course . Besides, the so called westerners will eventually out do themselves if they continue down the path of madness, they forget they have nukes and so do many other countries that disagree with them.Anyway enough said.

coldhearts which of my views are extreme?  My views are not based on fairy tales - they are based on reality, I speak from experience and based on factual accounts.  Why is it that when you tell people the truth it upsets them.  People hate the truth, that is why it is so easy to deceive people.

The world we live in is being run and controlled by powerful satanic groups who have succeeded in appropriating the land, resources and manpower of weaker nations and that is the truth coldhearts.

Dont let yourself be bamboozled by the satanic propaganda of the western media.

Another attempt to put into place their population control agenda which is targeted at non white countries only.

I think it is abundantly clear to everyone that the problem in Nigeria has nothing to do with an increase in the population but the capitalist economic system imposed on the nigerian people in collaboration with nigerian saboteurs which has condemned the nigerian people to a life of poverty.

Even our own fela anikulapo kuti tried to educate us as to what was going on but for some strange reason nobody wanted to hear the truth.  13 years after his death we are still battling with the same problems, no-one wants to risk their life in order to free ourselves from this bondage, meanwhile the western plutocrats continue to device new ways in which to keep us in perpetual bondage.

Now they talk about globalisation which is a polite word for appropriation of land, resources and manpower of so called third world countries. 

By virtue of their financial institutions they have got africa in the unenviable position of being in perpetual debt - the debt owed by african countries to the west is infinite because it is based on a devious system whereby the interest alone is so astronomical that most african countries have not even begun to pay off the actual debt because they are still trying to grapple with servicing the interest payments.

Obviously if you can't pay off your debt you have no choice other than to hand over your soveriegnty to a foreign multinational who will then take control of your economy and run it to suit his own purposes - Shell, Exxon Mobil, Chevron are good examples of western multinationals who tell the nigerian govt what to do, how to do it and when to do it, that is why the likes of IBB have the guts to shamelessly come forward as credible candidates to run for the presidency - these people are agents acting on behalf of these corrupt organisations, we have got to get things into perspective and understand that this can not continue indefinitely, its either we stand up and reclaim what is ours or remain as servants in our own country.

Any time a charismatic black leader rises up to educate the masses of black people in america he winds up dead - why is that?  Why is the american establishment afraid of intelligent black men, is it a coincidence that the american prisons are overflowing with african american men?  Go and read about how the US govt mounted a govt approved surveillance programme against african american men known as COINTELPRO which they used to smash all militant black groups who tried to challenge the white supremacist system, the white race will stop at nothing to retain their position of power in the world, there is no tactic that is too underhand for them to use.  Unfortunately many of our people are fast asleep totally unaware that they are at war with a people who would go to any extent to have the entire black race wiped off the face of the earth.  Do you think that is a gross exaggeration?  Go and read about the origin of the Aids virus and why it is killing africans in disproportionate numbers, also go and research the number of blacks in the western world who suffer mental health problems and you will begin to piece together what we as a race are up against.

Everything Obuekwe has said is 100% true, you can not deny the fact that the western capitalist system is a satanic system which leaves nothing but misery, poverty, death and destruction in its wake.  It has almost no redeeming qualities and that is why the world we live in today is full of misery and suffering, why is it that a few people (mainly white westerners constitute some of the richest people in the world while the poorest and most oppressed people are overwhelmingly black or brown people?  Is that a coincidence? Or is it because the white race are not prepared to live in a world where all races are equal and are allowed to live peacefully alongside each other.

Lets look at america as an example - the white capitalist system was built on the backs of black african slaves who were considered as chattel - there was no provision for any person of african descent in their so called constitution or bill of rights - if not for the fact that you had people like marcus garvey, malcolm x, martin luther king who challenged and forced the hand of the white supremacist system blacks would have remained in bondage to date in america (as a matter of fact blacks STILL remain in economic and psychological bondage all over the world).

Now lets look at africa - where in africa do you see any independent govt which is not being teleguided and directed by the IMF and world bank that has succeeded? And before you shout South Africa - let me correct one general misconception - WHITES ARE STILL CONTROLLING THE ECONOMY OF SOUTH AFRICA,  this is the chokehold that these demons have got africa in, if you try to go it alone you face world wide economic isolation and blockades from europe and america - is this not what happened to zimbabwe?

For those of you who keep waffling on about how it is all our own fault - I would like to ask you this question - why is it that when biafra decided to secede in order to become masters of their economic and political destiny - britain decided to arm nigeria to prevent the seccession?

Also why is it that when Haiti emancipated itself from enslavement and became the first black republic in 1807 , europe and america imposed a 50 YEAR ECONOMIC TRADE EMBARGO against it which led to Haiti becoming an economic basket case?

Finally why was Nkrumah deposed by the CIA when he began to advocate calls for a pan african state which would advance the economic and political goals of african people to the exclusion of the west?

EzeUche22:
Of course Arabs are racist and Gadaffi is a fool who wants stated that more Arabs should move to Africa. I do not like him and I never will. But remember we have some Africans like the Hausa-Fulani who would rather side with the Arabs then some Africans.

well if the hausa fulani are so stu.pi.d as to think that the arabs of north africa and the arabian peninsula regard them as equals then let them keep dreaming, Omar al bashir is not a full blooded arab - him and his genocidal cabinet are mainly half arab half african but in order to please their masters in saudi arabia, syria, jordan etc they murder, r.ape and destroy whole african communities inspite of this their masters in the arab world do not regard them as their equals.  Here are some quotations about black africans from some great arab minds such as  Ibn Khaldun, Ibn Sena and Osama Bin Laden:

Ibn Khaldun sees the blacks as “characterized by levity and excitability and great emotionalism” and [says] that “they are everywhere described as s.tu.pid” . . .

al-Dimashqi had the following to say: “The Equator is inhabited by communities of blacks who may be numbered among the savage beasts. Their complexion and hair are burnt and they are physically and morally abnormal. Their brains almost boil from the sun's heat.”


Ibn al-Faqih al-Hamadhani follows the same line of reasoning. To him . . . the zanj [black Africans]. . .are “overdone until they are burned so that the child comes out between black, murky, malodorous, stinking, and crinkly-haired, with uneven limbs, deficient minds, and depraved passions” . . .” 


Ibn Khaldun (d. 1406CE) added that blacks are “only humans who are closer to dumb animals than to rational beings.” . . . 

Even such luminaries as Ibn Sina considered blacks to be “people who are by their very nature slaves.” 


“All African women are p.rostitute.s, and the whole race of African men are abeed [slave] stock. Your people are like rats plaguing the earth” –Osama Bin Laden

Darfur should be a lesson to all so called african muslims - when the chips are down the arabs do not regard them as their equals let alone their brothers.  A word is enough for the wise.

http://www.nigeriavillagesquare.com/articles/chinweizu/arab-colonialism-series-usafrica-the-arab-agenda.html

EzeUche22:
Gaddafi is a BERBER! He most likely does have Arab blood in his veins, but the majority of North Africans are of berber descent.

However, the misconception is that since there were so many similarities with the Arabs and Berbers, it is very hard to tell them apart. Now people who are called Arab in North Africa are not actually Arab, but they do not speak a Berber language so they see themselves as Arab now.

They classify people who are Berber by the Berber language that they speak now even though the Arab speakers in North Africa are primarily of Berber Descent, they are seen as Arabs.

I still say that Gadaffi is not a Berber but a Bedouin Arab, but lets not deviate from the real issue which is that Gadaffi is a racist arab who does not have any respect for black african people. Its time that we woke up to realise what these arabs real agenda towards black africans is.  For some strange reason it still hasnt sunk into our brains that these arabs are our enemies - I would have thought that the conflicts in Darfur and southern sudan would have been enough for us to realise that these people are a threat to the existence of black africans but it appears that we still havent woken up from our state of blissful ignorance.

IG:
And what has that got to do with Darfur ? You are confusing the Darfuris with the Southern Sudanis. You said you read books written by Southern Sudanese and not Darfuris.

Its got everything to do with Darfur - I am in no way confusing the conflict between north and southern sudan with what is happening between the sudanese govt and the dafuri people - can't you see that both conflicts have  a common element - ETHNIC CLEANSING OF BLACK AFRICANS BY ARAB OR MIXED RACE ARAB MILITIAS.

Why are  you differentiating between the two conflicts when  Omar al Bashir the genocidal North Sudanese leader  is behind both of them


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IG:
Actually Bedouin is a term used to describe desert dwellers not necessarily Arabs. We have ethnic groups in Nigeria that are Bedouins, some have retained a variation of the name. Examples are Bade and Badawi, you can find them in Borno and Yobe states and can be considered to be branches or related to the Kanuris also known as Barebari (Berbers in Hausa).

You are wrong (again!) Bedouin which is derived from the arabic word "bedu" which means desert dweller, are nomadic arabs who move from one place to another on camels, they live in the desert regions of the middle east, from time to time they adopt a sedentary lifestyle and when they do you will find them in countries like Syria, Libya, Israel and Egypt NOT in northern nigeria -

The Arab Bedouins are in no way related to the Kanuri people, the  Kanuri are descendants of the kanem bornu empire which is now known as Chad,  - the Kanem people migrated east to the lake chad area and started intermarrying with the people in the area, this region is now known as Borno  in Nigeria, the Kanuri have no relationship with arabs apart from their religion islam - you are extremely confused!!!!

Berbers as I have already mentioned are mixed heritage people who migrated from the shores of the mediterranean across into north africa they are a mixture of greek, spanish and jewish again nothing to do with africans.

am a little bit lost here, when did Arabs encroach into Southern Nigeria?

When they sent their islamic missionaries to convert africans, just the same way europeans sent christian missionaries to the coastal regions of west africa.

Actually we are talking about Darfur here not Southern Sudan. So I think you are reading the wrong books. Southern Sudan has had autonomy for some time now and may end up being an independent state if they win a referendum. Darfur is more to the west and shares a border with Chad republic. I think the problem is that maybe you have never came across a Sudanese and talked one on one. I have.

Funny how  you missed out on the fact that the northern sudanese (arab controlled ) have been at war with the south (christian africans ) for over 50 years and are now only agreeing to hold a referendum to decide whether FULL autonomy should be granted to the south.  The referendum is due to take place in January 2011.

I am well aware of the Darfur conflict, which by the way is also based on the ethnic cleansing of africans by arabs.  In the dafur situation what you have are arab supporter of APC militia killing, r.aping, mutilating and enslaving black african muslims, its the same old story of arabs brutalising and wiping out indigenous africans from their ancestral land the only difference is that the dafuri people are also muslims like the northern sudanese albeit (non arab) african muslims  who have converted to islam.

I think the issue of Ghaddafi not being Arab has been resolved. If you still don't know the difference between Arabs and Berbers then I am afraid there is nothing I can do help.

Gadaffi is an arab - if you want to continue to beleive that he is a Berber its up to you.

Again confusing Arabic and Islam. OIC is the Organization of Islamic Countries. It's about Islam and not Arabic. Being Muslim doesn't mean being Arab. Malaysians, Indonesians, Turks and Iranians are almost entirely Muslims but they are not Arabs.

I'm not confusing anything here, my point is that arabs,  in their  quest to expand their territory and move southwards are using membership of the OIC as a precursor to their long term objective which is arabisation of the entire continent.  If you look at the african territories which were conquered you will find that all traces of those people's  indigenous culture has been almost wiped out and replaced with arab traditions and culture.

Please guys, lets understand things before we debate on them.

perhaps  you need to listen to your own advice

IG:
I totally agree, not all not Africans are Berbers but the point I am trying to make is that Ghaddafi is a Berber and Berbers are not Arabs.

Actually Gaddafi is a Bedouin (a nomadic arab) not a Berber and I don't think he regards himself as an african, despite his self proclaimed title of King of Kings of africa.

Arabs do not regard themselves as africans they refer to themselves as arab muslims.
Even the converted black african muslims who live in countries which are under arab control do not regard themselves as africans instead they call themselves arabs despite being pure black africans, this is what arab indoctrination has done to these people.

You've got to understand that these arabs invaded africa, enslaved its indigenous people and forced their language and religion on its conquered people, they even managed to encroach into parts of southern nigeria - How then do you expect these same people to turn around and respect us?
The only reason they did not succeed in arabising the entire west african region is because the european slave traders and their christian missionaries beat them to it.

The thing I can't understand is that some people think that arabs are friends of black african people - this is the same way many black africans keep deceiving themselves into beleiving that whites are also our friends despite glaring evidence to the contrary.  The fact that the arabs and then europeans invaded africa, enslaved our  people, appropriated our land and imposed their languages on us doesnt seem to evoke any feeling of indignation or outrage in our minds.  We seem so indifferent to the fact that we are actually victims of these two imperialist aggressors.

Ethnic cleansing in Sudan is what BBC and CNN tell you. The truth is that there is a long standing problem between Nomads and Farmers just like the recurring problem between Fulani nomads and mainly Hausa farmers in Northern Nigeria.

http://www.sudan.net/news/press/postedr/316.shtml

I don't rely on BBC or CNN for news as most of the time its biased propaganda - I've read several books written by southern sudanese people who have lived under the tyrannical rule of Omar Bashir and their stories are absolutely horrendous, violence, killings and brutalisation of southern sudanese people are  regarded as the norm and anyone who speaks out against their persecution is murdered.
You should read a book called Diary of a Lost Girl by Naima Bint Harith aka Kola Boof whose own parents were murdered in front of her because her father spoke out against the way arab men enslaved black african boys, kept them in chains and made them sleep out in the back yard with their animals. 

Hitler was a charming young man that gave a lot of people hope when they had very little of it. In contrast Ghaddafi is a senile old man that is becoming hopeless each and every day. The whole of Libya has less than 7 million people, thats less than half the population of Lagos state. In essence Tunde Fashola is managing a state that is bigger than Libya in population and is just a governor in Nigeria. That tells you how unrealistic Ghaddafi's dream is.

Gadaffi is an arab expansionist who is backed and supported by the rest of the arab world, the fact that the population of his country is only 7 million does not mean that he is not a power broker in africa, with the backing of his arab brothers he is more powerful than Tunde Fashola who is nothing more than a western puppet.
What vision or goal do the likes of Fashola have for their people? Gadaffi and his fellow OIC members are united in their goal to arabise the entire african continent.

IG:
Honestly I do not know where to start, but it breaks my heart to see that many Nigerians are so so ignorant of African history and ethnic composition.
First of all, let everybody know that the North Africans are Berbers and not Arabs.
Ghaddafi is not Arab and has always showed that in his mode of dressing.
There are many Berbers who are black skinned. In fact the Kanuri people of Borno are reffered to as BareBari by the Hausas because they are originally Berbers. BareBari simply means Berbers in Hausa.
The idea that Arabs overran North Africa in the name of religion is not true.
Before the coming of Islam, the North Africans practice a form of strictly monotheist Christianity (no trinity). With the coming of Islam many of them converted to Islam because of the similarities it has with their religion and difference it has with the type of christianity practised in Europe. Many of the Muslims that conquered parts of Europe especially Spain where black skinned. The commander of the Army was a man called Tariq Bin Ziyad was also black. The place called Gibraltar in Spain was named after him. It was actually JabalTariq which means mount Tariq.

Talking about slavery, I believe every race has practised slavery; blacks, arabs, europeans et.c

What the Europeans are guilty of is not just slavery but the act of racializing slavery. Justifying that black people are suppose to be the only ones to be taken as slaves and even going ahead to import heresy into the bible to justify it.

Having said that I still believe Ghaddafi is a crazy man who has rule over a country of less than 7 million people and thinks he can rule the whole of Africa. But that does not stop him from being African.

For those who want to know more about the true (Black skinned) Arabs plese check the following blog http://savethetruearabs..com/

To say that all north africans are berbers is just like saying all europeans are english, SOME north africans are berbers but they are mainly concentrated in the north west region of north africa, we have black african people who were the original inhabitants of countries like Egypt and Sudan who were conquered and subjugated by arab invaders just like the berbers of north west africa were.

The berbers as far as I know are mixed heritage people whose ancestry is mainly european, having said that they are a conquered people just like the nubians, dinkas and nuer people of sudan and egypt.

I agree that the arabs did not overrun north africa in the name of religion alone, they were imperialists and they were intent on expanding their empire by imposing their culture, language and religion on as many people as they could conquer - and they succeeded - that is why north african countries have had their indigenous languages, culture and religion almost wiiped out by the arab invaders.

To say that the indigenous north african people converted to islam willingly is a complete fallacy - the arabs are a violent and cruel people by nature - look at how they treat their women - do they appear to you like the type of people that would treat people that they have conquered with any humanity?  Please stop lying to yourself - every people that were on the receiving end of arab domination were treated brutally, the mindset of the arab invader was that the conquered people had to accept islam or die - this is why the christian sudanese people continue to be persecuted at the hands of the minority arab muslims of northern sudan.

You say that europeans are guilty of racialising slavery - if what you say is true please answer the following:

why do arabs refer to black africans as "abeed" which means black slave?

why do arabs practice colour coded discrimination in their respective countries?

why has the mixed race arab elite of Sudan conducted an ethnic cleansing programme against the indigenous Sudanese people?

I think to dismiss Gadaffi as a crazy old fool is to make a serious mistake, this is the same way Hitler was dismissed as an unhinged megalomaniac until he succeeded in annexing Poland, France, Belgium and the rest of europe.
Gadaffi's desperation to control the entire african continent could make him sign a pact with the west in order to realise his ambtion to arabise the entire african contient.

Gadaffi is not as independent as people like to think, Libya was economically isolated for many years by europe and america because of his clashes with the US govt in the 80's, in a bid to weaken him and bring him to his knees the west imposed draconian trade embargoes against his country.  In addition the US govt and europe ganged up against him and framed him with the Lockerbie bombing which he had nothign to do with, that was done in order to punish him for trying to stand up to them.  In order to end the years of economic isolation Gadaffi agreed to take the rap for Lockerbie and pay the victims relatives £2.7 billion in compensation it was only after he had done this that he was allowed back into the international community to trade with the west.

The one thing I will give him though is how much he has done for his people, Libyans have one of the highest standards of living in africa, unlike these degenerate lowlifes we have as leaders in Nigeria, he has used his country's oil revenue to modernise his country, in a space of less than 40 years he has succeeded in elevating the living standards of his people by way of urbanization and developmentatl projets.  Unlike the hopeless criminals that we have in Nigerian he has proven himself to be a true leader and lover of his people by introducing free or subsidised health, education and housing for his people, in addition food is easily available and affordable, therefore by keeping his people happy he is able to retain his grip on power without fear of being overthrown by external forces.

chyz the first thing you must understand about arabs is THEY HATE BLACK AFRICANS - they are foreign invaders who conquered the indigenous black african people in the countries of north africa in the 7th century, they do not regard themselves as africans and refer to black africans in arabic as "abeed" which means black slave. The arabs and the europeans have one thing in common - they both regard black african people as an inferior race, once you have understood that you will understand where Gadaffi is coming from. If you doubt me go and research how muslim arabs treat black africans in their various countries, in particular look at a country like Sudan where a minority muslim arab elite STILL PRACTICE SLAVERY AND SELL the original inhabitants of that land (the dinka, nuer and nubian peoples) to arabs in countries like Iraq, Iran, Libya as domestic workers (slaves ) Also in Palestine black african women are STERILISED by arab govt officials in order to keep the numbers of black africans down!!!! -

These arab countries(Egypt, Libya, Morroco, Sudan) operate a racial caste system where light skinned arabs are at the top of the socio economic ladder and pure black africans are placed at the bottom with limited access to education.

Try reading about the plight of the dinka and nuer peoples of Sudan and how the mixed race arab minority conduct raids into their villages raping, killing and enslaving hundreds of these people.

There is even a case of a southern Sudanese man Francis Bok who succeeded in freeing himself from bondage with the help of some american UN workers who helped him flee to the US where he was granted permanent residence.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfD2SHlkPOE

Anyway I digress - Gadaffi is a racist arab who regards black africans with contempt - his ambition is to arabise the whole of the african continent with the arab elite controlling the affairs of the whole of black africa, this is why our traitorous leaders like IBB made us members of the OIC (Organisation of Islamic states) without the consent of the christian section of nigeria (the south).

I used to regard Gaddaffi as a freedom fighter who had the interests of all africans at heart but I have since discovered that he is a power hungry megalomaniac intent on the total arabisation of the african continent. Beleive me this will spell doom for black africans because arabs are even more vicious and brutal than whites when it comes to black people.

Gadaffi is more than happy to insult, degrade and abuse black africans in a bid to be on good terms with his former colonials masters - the equally racist italians.

JeSoul:
No and yes. True we were kidnapped and removed forcibly into slavery, but also in many many instances it would never happened if we did not sell our own brothers and sisters to the white man for spices and mirrors. So we share plenty of blame there too.

I think you have completely exaggerated the level of collusion between our people and the european slave traders, the fact that there were a few corrupt collaborators in our midst does not mean that there was overwhelming support on the part of all africans to collaborate with the europeans to enslave their own people.  There is factual evidence which actually proves that the europeans fomented wars and pitted various tribes against each other, threatening each side with enslavement if they refused to cooperate.  YOu must remember that the europeans had the added advantage of the gun - this is why we were defeated - we could not defend ourselves.

The argument  you are trying to use is commonly used by whites who refuse to accept responsiblity for the heinous crimes that they have carried out against most of the non white races of the world.  YOu might as well say that the native americans and the aborigines of australia and new zealand are to blame for being decimated  by the europeans who invaded their land.

I don't think I made any comment negative or positive on Obasanjo did I? That's irrelevant to the fact Abacha was a monster and Farrakhan's endorsement on Abacha is revealing on the kind of person Farrakhan is. e]

No its not irrelevant - you were commending the americans for removing Abacha without understanding the real reason behind them doing so, there is no point praising an action when you have no real understanding as to why that action was undertaken in the first place.

Abacha was a thorn in the side of the americans NOT because he stole billions of dollars from the nigerian treasury , brutalised the nigerian people or mismanaged the nigerian economy - NO, the americans couldnt care less about what Abacha did or did not do for his people - their only interest was in him opening up the nigerian economy  to the whole sale plunder and pillage that they had been enjoying under Babangida, they wanted nigeria to continue on the downward spiral of borrowing more and more money from the IMF so that we would be in so much debt to them they would more or less own our natural resources, this is the level of sophisticated exploitation that the west now operates in africa and thats why Nkrumah referred to it as "neo colonialism" - a new form of exploitation whereby the exploiter does not physically occupy your land but still controls the economic and political destiny of your country by imposing punitive economic policies on the targeted nation which are designed to enrich the predator nation whilst simultaneously impoverishing the targeted nation.

Even if Abacha really resisted western influence, how does that make him a hero as farrakhan is trying to insinuate? I'll say it again, if the west was really responsible for Abacha's death, then we owe them a huge thank-you letter for ridding us of that tyrant. They did for us what we should've done for ourselves as far as I'm concerned.

Abacha's refusal to accept IMF and world bank loans does not make him a hero because he failed to do anything for his own people - instead he salted away billions of stolen money in foreign accounts, however in refusing to be kicked around by western financial institutions he showed that he was no coward and had balls.

frosbel:
Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan is a racist 'DOG'

Is that so? How did you reach that conclusion? How about the entire US administration since independence up till today - do you think they love black people? Are you aware that forced sterilisation of black women was being practised in america until as recently as 1983?

I would advise you to read up on an organisation known as Planned Parenthood and their involvement with Eugenics otherwise known as race hygiene and their agenda towards black people in america.

JeSoul:
I knew what he was going to say before I watched the video and I guessed right. It is the same chant countless black people all around the world join voices and participate in when they refuse to look in the mirror and see their own worst enemy:

"Blame the white man"

See how he painted a false picture of Abacha as a hero who stood up to western influence instread of the tyrant that he was. A tyrant whose timely death was celebrated en masse by his own people. When will black people start looking in the mirror and holding ourselves responsible for our own shortcomings? instead of forever pointing to past real and present imagined oppression from 'white people'?

And if indeed the West was somehow involved in Abacha's death, then I say we owe them a long delayed letter of sincere gratitude.

Are you saying that nigerians are to blame for their own enslavement, colonialism and now neo colonialism implemented by way of international financial institutions like the IMF and the world bank? 

Okay so Farrakhan did not paint the whole picture of Abacha's tyrannical rule over nigeria, but let me ask you a question -was his replacement Obasanjo an improvement? For your information Obasanjo was chosen by the US as Abacha's replacement NOT because he was going to take nigeria forward but because Abacha refused to accept the IMF loans and structural adjustment programmes recommended by the american financial institutions.  Obasanjo was chosen by the americans as Abacha's successor because he agreed to plunge nigeria further into debt and destroy the living standards of the average nigerian so how you can think that the americans did nigeria a favour for removing Abacha is beyond me.

Its becoming increasingly clear that the US have a huge stake in the economic destiny of Nigeria, there are many classified documents detailing the role the US has played in the political arena of nigerian politics.

Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan expresses his views as to why many african countries find it almost impossible to progress:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBQZELCKB2s&feature=related

Obasanjo is what african americans refer to as a rented negro, the whites rented him to push their capitalist imperialist agenda.  Like the dutiful slave that he is he was told by the US govt to borrow huge loans with inflated interest rates from their various financial institutions in order to keep us indebted to them forever. As if this wasn't bad enough they even asked him to promote their population control agenda which was and still is targeted at non black countries in order to gradually wipe out the black populations of the world thereby ensuring that the  white race retain their dominant economic position in the world.

Whatever the white power structure tell this old tom to do he dutifully carries it out, he sends nigerian troops to go and engage in so called peace keeping activities in darfur, sierra leone and liberia when these same wars have been fomented and prosecuted by western arms manufacturers in order for them to maximise profits from arms sales , now like a bitter old uncle tom he is trying to bite the fingers that have been feeding him since 1976 who is he fooling?

Here he is getting all hot under the collar because a british journalist is grilling him on corruption:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9sLfCeKC-E&feature=related

pheesayor:
Even if the Americans are behind him can't we have our own voice as a sovereign nation?
Whatever happens to this country depends on how we respond to issues, when they see stiff opposition they'll be forced to have a rethink. Kudos to the save Nigeria group.

Its very difficult for a puppet state or client state as I like to refer to it to have control over the economic and political destiny of its people without clashing with the interest of the western power, puppet leaders like babangida, obasanjo, yaradua etc have signed a pact with the devil - in exchange for being installed and kept in power by the financial and military aid given to them by the west they have to ensure that they implement economic policies favourable to western capitalist economic policies.  These capitalist economic policies like SAP are diametrically opposed to the economic development and well being of the indigenous people of the targeted countries - the nigerian leaders have a choice -  implement the exploitative and predatory capitalist economic policies of the western countries which ensures that their people will live and die in lifelong poverty and bondage or risk an economic blockade (Zimbabwe, Haiti) or even military invasion (Iraq) from the west, Im sure you already know which one this current crop of morally bankrupt criminals would rather choose.

But I understand where you are coming from because even someone like Saddam who was a western puppet implemented programmes for his people which raised their standard of living, as a matter of fact Iraqi people enjoyed some of the highest standards of living in the Arab world.  Saddam actually fell out with the west because he was trying to extricate himself from the vice like grip that america had over Iraq's oil reserves.  He did the unthinkable - he actually tried to control oil prices by seeking to create a cartel which would weaken america's control over oil prices - this is why he was killed.  Do you think the likes of babangida, obasanjo and all these other degenerate animals who worship the white man like their god would ever have the balls to do something like this?

First time ever that I agree totally with everything that bk/babe has posted.

However, let me say this - first of all you need to look at the bigger picture - IBB is NOT acting alone - he was and still is being funded, aided and abetted by western govts particularly the United States govt.

Also I think you are going to find it difficult to get your point across to a lot of nigerians as we have not been trained to think critically, have limited knowledge of international world affairs and suffer acute inferiority complex and brainwashing caused by slavery, colonialism and various other forms of western indoctrination.

This is a buffoon who has been following instructions from his white masters ever since they helped him into office in 1976:

Here is what nigerian political analyst Chinweizu says about his stupidity:


[b]The advance fee fraud: Suppose some conman said to you: "You see that bank over there? I have $36bn in its vaults, and out of my generosity or pity for your plight or admiration for your village headman's super-obedience and life-long, continent-wide services to me, I want to make you a gift of half of it, $18bn. But first you have to give me $12bn upfront." That would be classic advance fee fraud, a.k.a. 419, would it not? A crime requiring the attention of the Economic and Financial Crimes Commission (EFCC), and other crime fighting agencies of the government. But that is precisely what the Paris Club has told the President. And he is celebrating and actively sourcing for the $12bn to hand over to the Paris Club gangsters.

For avoidance of doubt, please allow me to spell it out: The Paris Club is holding a Nigerian debt stock allegedly worth $36bn; and it wants to charitably give back $18bn of it to Nigeria, on condition that Nigeria hands over $12bn upfront. When that advance fee is paid, they promise to give to Nigeria $18bn worth of that debt stock, and to then arrange for Nigeria to buy back the remainder, at terms yet to be discussed. Now isn't that 419? In fact, it is more than 419; some might call it Four-one-ten!!

The other criminal aspect: Now, 419 is a crime, not only in Nigeria, but in most countries, including the Paris Club countries. And it is, presumably, a crime in international law since Interpol is interested in such cases. That is one criminal aspect of this "debt relief" deal. But there is at least one other. If the chief executive officer (CEO) of a corporation were to be set up for a scam by some gangster syndicate which strips his corporation of its assets, wouldn't that CEO be fingered as an accessary to a felony? Yet, the President, the CEO of the Federal Government of Nigeria (FGN), is party to setting up this scam whereby the Paris Club syndicate of shylock gangsters is set to asset-strip $12bn or more from Nigeria's reserves. Doesn't he deserve a quizzing by the EFCC?

Economic treason: It is pertinent to recall here how Nigeria was taken into the debt trap in the first place: Back in the late 1970s, against the wisdom of public opinion, the then military head of state, Gen. Obasanjo, was conned by foreign lenders into taking a $1bn jumbo loan that Nigeria, with its then buoyant oil revenues, did not need. The excuse was that Nigeria was "under-borrowed." They claimed that Nigeria needed the jumbo loan to build investor confidence, so that foreign investments would flow in and develop the economy. He fell for that trap. But did the expected investments flow in? Now, nearly 30 years later, as President Obasanjo, he is falling for another scam by his white controllers. In the hope of extricating Nigeria from the debt trap into which he himself led Nigeria, he is eager to hand over Nigeria's reserves, to the tune of $12bn or more, to the same creditor gangsters. As the Chinese say: Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me!

These are just a few of the aspects of this so-called debt relief that I find curious and troubling. Perhaps the press reports on which I have based my observations are inaccurate, but who is to say that they are? The ordinary citizens and even the press cannot uncover the facts much beyond what has already been done. They do not have the administrative instruments or constitutional powers to inspect the documents in the files of the Presidency. Since it is apparent that the EFCC seemed to have been turned into a private instrument for harassing handpicked adversaries of the President, the public cannot trust it to look, let alone impartially, into this debt relief affair. Thus, only the National Assembly (NASS), which has the constitutional power to inspect the documents of the Executive branch, can further illuminate this debt deal. Perhaps this is the time for the NASS (whose own campaign was, wisely, for 100% debt cancellation and not this murky "debt relief" scam) to step in and clarify matters and act in the interest, and to the satisfaction, of the Nigerian people.[/b]

http://www.afroarticles.com/article-dashboard/Article/Debt-Relief-or-Treasonable-Scam-/49910