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hang on - isnt this the same Obasanjo that allowed the Paris club to play him 419 by paying them $30 billion in supposed outstanding debt that they claim Nigeria owed them? Does this man think people are stupid,? If he wanted to stand up to the west, when they asked for that unbeleivable amount of money to settle our supposed outstanding debt that would have been a good time for him to stand up to them. What is the point of posturing and making mouth after they have finished using him to acheive their goals?

The truth of the matter is Obasanjo is a gutless puppet who would never dare to challenge the west, this is a man who owes his life to the west - they saved him from Abacha, they installed him in power in the 70's and then again in 99/00 -so what is he talking about? Is he angry with them because they still treat him as an inferior despite doing their bidding?

Go and check out who he fraternises with - some of the most influential names in the american establishement, and now he is coming here to try and bamboozle unsuspecting nigerians with pseudo pro black militant rhetoric.

When former US secretary of defense, Robert McNamara recommended that he introduce population control measures in nigeria in order to reduce nigeria's population why didnt he tell them to go to hell, why doesnt he tell nigerians about his involvement with Murtala Muhammed's assassination? Isnt it strange how he continues to feature in the nigeria political scene, despite his unpopularity, this man thinks people are stupid.

bros1234:
We will never hear about most of u posters and time wasters in this life till Jesus comes. Rather than talk about what happened you are crucifying Kalu. Good or bad he has lived for something and will die for something as one of Nigeria's greatest. The question is where are you in life and what are you living for and will die for. Keep wasting your times in Nairaland. Pity all your noise and castigation all ends here

Hmm one of Orji Uzo Kalu's psychophants has reported for duty.  Please explain what this illiterate occultist acheived?  Is it the looting of the Abia state treasury in order to finance his lavish lifestyle and buy a $2.8 million mansion in the US, or is it his regular attendance at the Okija shrine to offer "prayers" accompanied with human sacrifices in order to acheive his goal of becoming president of nigeria?

What kind of moral compass do you have when you can not differentiate between good and evil, are you sane at all?  would  you be defending this thief if you had suffered at his hands as many of the Abia state people can testify?

please carry this your upside down logic somewhere else, my friend.

Ranoscky:
@Eziachi

U named Kanu as 1 b'cos, he's an igbo guy n once had such problem ryt? GOOD!!!

What of all doz European football players dat died thru dsame heart attack, did dey also fyt d "biafran" war?

No he named Kanu because he was probably born or grew up in an area where a lot of depleted uranium could be found in the soil following aerial bombardments by nigerian troops which DOES cause major heart and kidney defects:

The use of DU in munitions is controversial because of questions about potential long-term health effects.[4][5] Normal functioning of the kidney, brain, liver, heart, and numerous other systems can be affected by uranium exposure, because in addition to being weakly radioactive, uranium is a toxic metal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted_uranium


Eziachi's point  is very valid, depleted uranium was found in the soil in countries like Vietnam and Iraq following massive aerial bombardments by US troops this resulted in children whose parents were exposed to the toxic fumes being born with major birth defects and various other congenital deformities.

Here are some Iraqi babies born with congenital deformites following their parent's exposure to depleted uranium:

http://www.google.com/images?q=effects+of+depleted+uranium&hl=en&rlz=1D1ACPW_enGB366GB366&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&ei=COJ4TISDE8eQjAedg6C1Bg&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CCcQsAQwAA

Also the dropping of the atomic bombs on hiroshima and nagasaki in Japan by the US also led to deformities in subsequent generations of new born babies whose parents had been exposed to the toxic fumes and gas given off by those bombs.

Thank you my brother.  My advise is that people should go and checkout their cardiac condition, if never been examined before, because its now almost the number one killer among our people, made worse by our traditional fatty/starchy foods/beverage. For example, our favourite delicacy (Isi Ewu) should never be touched by anyone with slight heart situation, because one of the main ingredient in it (Akanwu) is a very high potassium silicate  that can make thing far worse.

In my opinion, every Biafran born inside Biafra land after the war and also grew up there, should as a matter of urgency check themselves out. As based on small data I had kept, many of them are born with severe heart condition, that resulted from the war, because Nigerian forces and their allies used depleted uranium bombs/mortar during the conflict. And this poses high rate of birth /organ defects among the generation born after the war.

Kanu Nwakwo would have died like this lady, had it not been that he was luck, that inter Milan found out his heart condition during his medical prior to his transfer to the club. But Sam Okwaraji wasn’t so lucky, when he collapsed and died of cardiac arrest, while playing for NIGERIA in 1989.

this is really interesting information, thanks for this eziachi

showreals:
When will people realize that US will Not do anything that wont favour Her, They Did this for themselves not for us Abeg

exactly bros, these mugus are rejoicing because the US govt decided to ALLOW nigeria a direct flight permit to the US - BIG DEAL!

All of you rejoicing , I hope you know that the CIA trafficks drugs through their various aviation routes (colombia, nicaragua, afghanistan, vietnam) to name a few, so this whole idea of direct flight is not an altruistic action on their part.

When you tow america's line, they reward you with crumbs from their table, when you try to challenge them (Yaradua and China business deals) they threaten and intimidate you (fake terrorist attack in detroit, USA, AKA Al Mulatallab)

Isnt it funny how nigeria has gone from being a pariah state (courtesy of al mutallab ) to america's no 1 best friend.

Who ever said americans are dumb, I beg to differ, they are super intelligent.

this is so funny, so when nigerian houseboy president, aka goodluck jonathan follows orders from america the americans grant nigeria direct flight permit!!! i laugh i wan die,
wonders shall never end. So this is what you get when you do as your master tells you to do and to think some people are swallowing this nonsense hook, line and sinker!

Ola idowu:
Why only IBB ? is it only IBB that contribute to the Present problem in this country? What about other Politicians that did so many unbearable atrocities in this country , Hence ; it's not only IBB that annulled June 12 Election .

It isnt only him that caused the problems we are experiencing today but he plunged the nigerian eeconomy into even more turmoil when he agreed to invite in the IMF and World Bank and allowed them to devalue our currency. 

He borrowed huge sums of money from both of these institutions to launch unwanted white elephant projects and as part of the conditions of being granted these loans he was instructed to cut public spending in education, health care and employment this led to the substandard education system that we have in nigeria today, terrible and unhygienic hospitals and  mass unemployment.  The mass unemployment led to a rise in crime, prostitution, 419, drug trafficking and other social evils that nigeria and nigerians are now known for all over the world. 

Now he has come back to put the final nail in the coffin by running for the presidential elections.

He stands a very good chance of winning the presidential elections because he has been endorsed by the international financial organisations (US controlled IMF and world bank) , they know that he has a good track record of implementing their policies , therefore in return they will finance his campaign and make it possible for the election to be rigged in his favour, as long as he continues to implement their policies of deregulation and privatisation of the nigerian public sector he will remain in power, if he moves away from these policies , he will end up like Abacha and Yaradua. 

Here is an interesting commentary on nigeria's ruling class and what they have done to our country:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PvxEgeGRRA&feature=related

I always like to put myself in other people shoes. Imagine how you would feel if you fought a vicious and bloody war against a racist oppressor for years and then after all those years of suffering and the loss of lives of loved ones, a group of blacks from another country who played a dubious role during your years of suffering started arriving in your country in huge numbers to compete for jobs, housing and other services. Would you welcome them with open arms?

I can't imagine any nigerian person welcoming a group of non nigerian blacks into nigeria to come and take up jobs, housing etc after making such huge sacrifices, therefore if you know you would not tolerate this if you were in the same position that black south africans are currently in, why condemn the black south africans for adopting a stance that we oursevles would adopt if we were in the same situation. As a matter of fact we have adopted that stance in the past towards Ghanaians.

I say to the likes of liedetect and co stop being a hypocrite and face up to reality, you can only be a king in your own country, if you think that you can go to another man's land to reap where you did not sow you are deluding yourself.

Engen:
@cap28
uk

Engage your brain before you open your mouth. Ignoramus

I would have asked you to do the same thing but it will be virtually impossible for you to comply as you do not have a brain to start with. Dullards like you need to learn the art of listening and learning, you sound like you have not mastered any of those techniques yet.

THE AMAKA:
its not the Nigerian people, DUH! people constantly leave every day "brain drain" i like to call it.
there are simply not enough opportunities in Nigeria, or maybe the pay would be better elsewhere, so people leave.

i still feel they have NO RIGHT to discriminate against Nigerian, ESPECIALLY THE BLACKS!
when we helped them out when they were getting their asses kicked by white people.

@LieDetect
spot on!  

actually it IS the nigerian people DUH!! We are the ones who continue to tolerate these useless b.a.st.ar.ds who continue the downward spiral of our country, why havent we done what the black south africans have done and challenge this tyranny?  You can continue to bury your head in the sand as much as you like but God is not going to come down from heaven to save nigeria from tyranny, the ANC mobilised their people to resist and break the hold of the white racist minority, what have we done? run to south africa to compete for the scarce jobs, that by right should be given to the people who made the ultimate sacrifices.  

for how long are we going to live in other people's countries using the feeble excuse that the pay in our country is not as good, if it is no good why cant we fight to change things so that we no longer have to go to other countries to be humiliated like this doctor was?

You cant dictate to black south africans about discrimination when you have no say or control in their country, notice how whites STILL have more power in south africa despite being a minority, thats because they STILL control the economy of the country.  Nigerians have no say or control in South Africa and quite rightly so because it is not their country, we have our own country which we should focus on building up to become the envy of other countries of africa.

No one is going to build Nigeria for Nigerians who are practically begging boers to move to Nigeria to work the land and feed starving Nigerians. If you are hard workers as you would like to believe, why dont you work your land and feed your people. Nigerians are lazy scums who are heavily involved in crime to do anything legitimate and productive.

this is a very interesting point which i agree with, running to south africa and expecting to be treated with respect by people who have fought and died to free themselves from white racist rule is never going to work, we as a people have got to stop being cowards and learn to fight and standup to our own oppressors, theere is no point trying to fight people who do not want you in their country, they have a right to adopt the stance that they have adopted because it is their country, as the writer of that post correctly said no south african wants to live in nigeria.  To those nigerians who keep going on about how nigerians are more intelligent than black south africans (strangely they never compare themselves to the whites, just the blacks!) i say if we are so intelligent why is our country still in the deplorable state that it is in?

Your dead head of state who was kept in the specially built mogue for months while you were lied to about his condition, killed many Nigerians for their kidneys. If your doctors are so good why dont they go and save the 144 Nigerian women who die each day due to complications related to child rearing. More and more Nigerians are born overseas, some make their way to the world in a trashy way of showing their heads in airport tarmacs, leaving other passengers disgusted. We are not sharing our country with you,you have Nigeria, what makes you think SA belongs to you?. South Africans do not want Nigeria to belong to them.

again this is very interesting - I am inclined to believe that there is a lot of truth to the above statement about Yaradua.

I agree with oba234, south africans are well within their right to discriminate against nigerians if they feel that their own survival is  under threat, first of all black south africans have managed to liberate themselves (partially) from a white racist system which kept them in bondage in their own land, they therefore have the right to dictate who should be let in to their country, if this nigerian doctor feels he's being treated badly he can try nigeria for employment and leave south africa for the south african people after all they have acheived what nigerians are too cowardly to acheive - they have liberated themselves from white apartheid.  Nigerians are yet to liberate themselves from the black on black apartheid which is currently masquerading as a legitimate government.

He will make sense to you until 10 years down the line you find yourself poor, unemployed, unable to feed your family and filled with despair.

Go and ask the generation of nigerians who were victims of IBB's regime in the 1980's and find out how they benefitted from him.

IBB is the main reason why there was a massive brain drain of some of the best brains from nigeria during the early 1990's and he is getting ready to repeat the role he played back in the late 80's and early 90's with this new generation, he is about to deny you a fruitful future if you don't know.  You better wake up and realise that what this man has in store is going to end in a nightmare for you.

The minute Obama sent a delegation to meet with IBB to endorse him for 2011 i knew it was all over for nigeria.

He knows it is very easy to deceive nigerians, this is why he has pulled out the "igbo card" only a deranged mind would ever take anything this man says seriously.

Well, we've got the kind of leaders we deserve, until we decide to do something about it, the country will continue in its downward spiral with 70 year old tyrants at the helm of affairs.

sage and paddy lo aka dumb and dumber

Paddy lo reckons he is superior to americans and according to him he "looks down on them" - Im really interested to know what qualifies him to look down on americans.

Paddylo do you know that many african americans fought and died so that people who look like you could have access to education, employment, housing and health care in america? I know you dont read books but i suggest you go and read about the civil rights movement of the 1950's and 60's.  You will see that many young african american men sacrificed their lives in order to change a system where all the odds were stacked against them - without these people you wouldnt even be in a position to be talking the garbage you're talking right now.

Has anyone in Nigeria (apart from the igbos) had the balls to stand up to fight for anything?  NO

How can someone who hasn't learnt how to crawl laugh at an experienced long distance runner?

MandingoII:
That's a Damn LIE

Cap is THE most educated on African History in this thread and probably in this entire forum

you would do best to head what he says and FIND THE BOOKS ON AFRICAN history and educated YOURSELF on YOUR history.

Obviously, you have been raised with a White person's SLANT on your history, ONLY the people that KNOW their true history KNOWS from which they came.

Recognize BLACK INTELLIGENCE when you are in the midst of it.

chump

thank you bro, Ive given up on the likes of sage, his level of reasoning is pathetic.

Dr Ayo said: This thread would be useless and a complete waste of time if we don't discuss the way out of this mess we (the children) were born into. We have all had someone or something to blame for our misfortunes, but verily our children would blame us for doing nothing about it. No matter how inhumane the fathers might have gotten the wealth then, the children of europe now praise their fore-fathers for building their land, making them the "most superior" among all races.
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So, please what do you think is the way out of these problems. Inferiority-complex is not genetic. Our children could be born into a life where they are so proud to be a black man. So proud! 'US would have to go to hell for all they care!' But how?
Please let us not be ambiguous but Realistic. This is how revolution starts. Remember the American Revolution? Also tell us how you plan to contribute to the revolution.

Dr Ayo, there are no easy answers because the world in which we live today is currently under the control and domination of the US empire, as you know there is no country in the world today that is capable of defeating the military might of the US.  In 2003 the US military were allocated a budget of $663 billion, which country on this earth can compete with that?

To put it bluntly we are in an extremely vulnerable position because even if we are able to oust the current puppet governments we have in place, we are not militarily strong enough to defend ourselves from foreign invasion, therefore our best option for now is to start off on a major overhaul of our educational system, this will enable us to prepare future generations of young people with the correct mindset that will enable them make decisions that will benefit nigerians and serve as an example to africans all over the world that the black race is not a race of backward failures that are incapable of self rule but a race of courageous people with foresight and great vision.

As you can see from a lot of the comments on this thread, we are still mentally enslaved.  The greatest damage that we experienced as a race was not just physical as in man power depletion through the transatlantic slave trade but through brainwashing.  Brainwashing was conducted by the missionaries who taught us to be ashamed of our indigenous animist religions and it also taught us to despise and be contemptuous of our african heritage.  That is why nigerians carry foreign religions like christianity and islam on their heads, you can't make more than two steps in any direction in nigeria without seeing a church or mosque and yet the country is no further forward for all its devout allegiance to religion.

You can see the long term effects of that on our people - the inability to think outside the eurocentric box, the inferiority complex, the idolising of eurocentricism and eurocentric values - the list goes on, notice how my criticism of white oppression is tagged "racist" by people who dont even understand what the word means -this is how far gone many of our people are.  So i would say start with teaching the younger generations the value of their own history, heritage and religions.

In order to become an economic force to be reckoned with we have to become an industrialised nation, but it is easier said than done, the west do not want us to ever become an industrialised nation as that will mean that we become economic competitors, with them, they have already consigned us to a position where we are suppliers of cheap natural resources which are used to fuel their own economies and ensure the continual development and enrichment of their transnational corporations.  Who would give up such a position without a fight?  It is not for nothing that america has over 700 military bases worldwide, the slightest sign of a country moving away from its designated role as dictated by the US or any other western controlled international institutions  could risk the threat of immediate invasion from troops stationed at a nearby US military base ( remember what happened to countries like biafra, zaire, burkina faso, zimbabwe, iraq, haiti,cuba, grenada, ecuador, and countless other countries which tried to break the stranglehold of US/western  hegemony in order to seek economic and political self determination).  So its not easy, Nigeria must find a non western power that does not seek to exploit or dominate it as an ally just the way Cuba did with the soviet union, but having said that i doubt that nigeria can successfully acheive this as one entity as it is too divided and has no unity of purpose.   

I think the above mentioned suggestions cover the main priorities for now.

ravenzord:
* S: (n) racism (the prejudice that members of one race are intrinsically superior to members of other races)
* S: (n) racism, racialism, racial discrimination (discriminatory or abusive behavior towards members of another race


Once U start discriminating against a race, whatever your reasons, you become a racist.

Okay, so despite consulting  a dictionary to find out the meaning of the word you still don't understand what it means!!!

lets take the two definitions that you have cut and pasted and apply them to myself -

(n) racism (the prejudice that members of one race are intrinsically superior to members of other races) -

can you point out to me in any of my posts where i have stated that blacks are superior to whites?


[b](n) racism, racialism, racial discrimination (discriminatory or abusive behavior towards members of another race

again please highlight to me where I have, in any of my posts described being in a situation where i behaved in a discriminatory behaviour towards a white person simply because of the fact that they were white for example: have i ever mentioned being in a situation where i treated a non white person better than a white person simply because i do not like white people?

Can you also shed some light on how you think i may have used abusive language or behaviour towards a white person simply because of the fact that they were white?

Ajanlekoko said:
Hmm.
I still say it is irrelevant. It's all in the past. In today's world, to a large extent, Africans are fully complicit in their misfortunes.
Just like the early explorers saw opportunity in Africa's natural riches and the incredible naivete of her people, the Whites till today still see opportunity in our refusal to move past these issues and get on with the business of living.

A direct answer to your question would be: No, I don't think Africa would have amounted to much had all those things never happened anyway.
Since the beginning of civilization, the evolution of the great empires have never naturally happened, but were forced into being by massive global military campaigns anyway. I don't see any of the African empires post-Egypt that could have played on the world stage.
Colonization would have happened anyway.

Ajanlekoko statements like this make me very sad as they demonstrate ignorance on a huge scale.  Let me prove to you that what you have said is completely baseless.  

In January 1966 a group of educated and revolutionary minded igbo officers of the nigerian army realised that the nigerian people had been set up to fail by the british who rigged the 1959 elections in order to place in power a puppet govt predominantly made up of hausa fulani politicans, what did they do? - they tried to overthrow this powerful cabal.  How did that turn out? The British stirred up and instigated an inter ethnic clash between the igbos and the hausas claiming that the January coup was an igbo orchestrated coup - when in reality it was a revolutionary coup aimed at cutting out the cancer of foreign control and intervention that continues to plague the nigerian political scene to date.  

What happened after that? Over 50,000 igbos were mercilessly slaughtered in the northern part of nigeria by brainwashed northerners who thought that the January coup was about the igbos trying to seize control of the entire country.

When the igbos realised that if they remained within the nigerian construct their personal safety could not be guaranteed , they decided that the best option was to secede , that way they could  exercise their right to their own self determination.  When they made the decision to secede because they did not want to be part of an illegal contraption which had been created to serve foreign intersts what happened? - they were crushed and over  3million igbos lost their lives.

The reason i bring the civil war situation up is because - you make the following assertion "africans are complicit in their misfortune" - but that is patently untrue, I have used the igbos as an example who saw that nigeria as an entity was not serving the interests of igbo people in general infact it was working AGAINST the interests of the average igbo and in order to remedy that problem the igbos tried to break away from this situation in order to found and develop their own nation but were STOPPED from doing so by the british backed hausa fulani cabal, this should indicate to you that there are greater forces at play in the nigerian political system than you have been able to appreciate.

It is not enough to point fingers at tribalism, poor leadership, corruption - these are symptoms NOT causes of why nigeria and africa are in the state taht they are in.  No western power goes to war (world war II) over a continent  teeming with abundant natural resources only to hand it back to its indigenous people without a fight.   What im really saying is Africa is still under foreign control, africa is DELIBERATELY prevented from progressing economically and politically, any progressive african leader who tries to steer the continent away from western economic and political control usually meets with an untimely end, there are countless examples of former progressive african leaders who have been assasinated (thomas sankara), toppled (kwame nkrumah) and discredited (mugabe).  

You compare China to nigeria but you conveniently forget to mention that communist china experienced a bloody revolution and fought a long and protracted war against western backed chinese puppet govts in order to regain control over their country and make it what it is today, when the aforementioned group of revolutionaries tried the same thing in nigeria they were quickly crushed by the hausa fulani yoruba cabal.  Please try and look at the bigger picture.

sage:
You are a racist!!!!!

Even worse you are a racist who thinks he is a permanent victim. You keep telling yourself nonsense like "i cant be racist" in order to hide your racism

Keep crying little b.i.t.c.h

Okay lets apply your skewed "logic" to a woman who is a victim of domestic abuse.

Is a woman who is being beaten black and blue by her husband or being told she is useless by him a victim of abuse or an abuser herself? 

If this same woman turns around to challenge her husband to say this is what you are doing to me and it is destroying me physically and emotionally does that make her an abuser?

Does the fact that she has decided to stop being a doormat and stand up to challenge his monstrous behaviour maker HER the abuser ?

Do you see why your argument is so flawed? It makes no sense to accuse a race of people who do not have a history of enslaving, murdering, subjugating and oppressing another race racists. Especially if that race of people have been victims of the aforementioned atrocities.

It also does not make sense to label a member of a race who does not have any control over a white person's ability to get a job, have access to education, healthcare or anyother thing which determines the socio economic success of a people, racist simply because they challenge the  injustice, unfairness and inequality in a white supremacist system. Especially if that race remain victims of that same system.

In your book a racist is someone who highlights the inequality, unfairness and ongoing exploitation and oppression that blacks continue to suffer at the hands of whites.

According to the upside down logic of sage - a person who is a victim of racism is racist for having the temerity to continue to bring to the attention of racist whites the difficulties, obstacles and bigotry that are very much entrenched as government policy in all countries of the world where whites are in the majority, according to the unhinged world of sage, blacks who find themselves on the receiving end of racism should shut up and put up as they are fortunate that slavery has been abolished and they are now free to live and work amongst whites despite the fact that they are still treated like second class citizens.

wow! - why do you call yourself sage when you do not exhibit wisdom in any shape or form?

sage:
I just wanted everybody on this thread to know that caps28 is a racist who hates while living in Britain and whinning like a naughty woman all the time.

The guy is a joke

Sage you are a dumb fool, you know why? because you dont even understand the meaning of the word racist - if you had a braincell in your empty head you would understand that blacks can never be racist as racism is only possible if the perpetrator is in a position of power.  Racism by definition involves the use of power by one racial group to subjugate and oppress another racial group.  Braindead fools like yourself delight in repeating what the white media force feeds you ad nauseam. 

Go and educate yourself about your history and stop displaying your ignorance for the whole world to see, you illiterate.

texazzpete:
People like you exist solely to provide comic relief to your betters. That's enough reason to thank God for your existence.

I am a Nigerian and i care nothing for your constant rhetoric of 'colonial oppression'. The most important maladies crippling Nigeria today are corruption, tribalism and intolerance - maladies which have nothing to do with 'western oppression'.

Oppression is oppression anywhere you find it. Instead of babbling about 'colonial oppression', why haven't you ever come out to speak of the despoils in Congo, the starvation in Zimbabwe and the killings in Darfur?

The thing about blissful ignorance is that it enables you to assume a false sense of reality in which you live in a parrallel universe where you are able to convince yourself that you are above others when in reality every person of any race other than black treats you as an inferior.  Is there any country in this world where you as a black man can go to and you will be accorded the same level of respect that men of other races are accorded? - Hold that thought for a moment.

You continue to delude yourself into thinking that you are equal to a white man when time and time again the white man continues to disregard, insult and disrespect everything about your race and history and  yet you call ME a racist.

Your myopic state prevents you from facing up to the truth of who you are, in keeping with your delusionary mindset you refuse to acknowledge or take on board any discussion or critique about race, racism and the oppression of black people in general.

To make matters worse you live in a country that has a terrible track record with regard to race but as far as you are concerned none of this is of any importance to you.

Texazzpete far from being my better you are my inferior because you are totally desensitised to who you are and where you have come from, i can only feel nothing but pity for you.

bgees:
Ancient Egyptians were not Negroes like u and I. Lets stop the act of always pointing to Ancient Egypt as a positive African past. Just to let you know the mummy of a popular Egyptian Pharaoh , King Tut was tested, and his DNA was western European.

Yes the trans-Saharan slave trade was more brutal. the Arabs treated slaves in a more cruel manner.

Soon you will be telling me that the nubians - the original inhabitants of egypt and sudan are western europeans, there is no point in arguing with someone whose mind has been completely brainwashed by white racist propaganda.

texazzpete:
I'm still stunned that you fellows haven't heard of the Trans-Saharan and Indian Ocean slave trade.
In fact, more africans were enslaved and taken away to the middle east/Arab world than those taken off to western countries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_slave_trade


And as someone mentioned here before, of the slaves sold off to the Westerners, the vast majority were handed over to the slavers by their fellow Africans for money or favours.

I've realised that with black people who reason like texazzpete whites have nothing to fear, I can see why whites are not afraid of us ever rising up to throw off the shackles of oppression - its because of the systematic brainwashing that has crippled us, if anyone would have told me that a black african man would write the above statement I would have found it very difficult to beleive but there you go.

Our  minds are so deeply ingrained with self hatred and love for anything that the white man tells us that we are no threat to them.  Texazzpete the above statement will endear you to racist whites who love to shift the blame for the atrocities that they committed against blacks and with blacks like you I dont really see the point of the KKK because you're actually doing their job for them

bgees:
pls stop riding on the achievements of Ancient Egypt, they were not completely African.

please explain

Ajanlekoko - please go and read the destruction of black civilization by Chancellor Williams - it will help you.

In his book, The Destruction of Black Civilization, black scholar, Chancellor Williams informs us that history has proven that a number of tactics were employed by anthropologists to blot out black accomplishments. Here is a list of Williams' observations about how anthropologists chose to operate:
 


1. "Ignore or refuse to publish any facts of African history" that would not support
     their racial theories.

2. "Create a religious and 'scientific' doctrine" to ease the white conscience for
     oppressing and enslaving African people.

3. "Flood the world with hastily thrown together African 'histories'" that contain
     European perspectives only.

4. "Start renaming people and places. Replace African names of persons, places, and
     things with Arabic and European names." This will disguise their true black identity.

5. Change the criteria for defining race. For example, one drop of Negro blood in
     America makes you a Negro, no matter how light your skin. When reporting ancient
     history, reverse the standard. Make one drop of white blood render someone a
     Caucasian no matter how dark the skin. (Test this criteria during the
     "riding-at-the-back-of the-bus" era of the South during the 1940s in the USA. Be
     assured that any of the Pharaoh's of Egypt, especially up to and including the 25th
     Dynasty, would have been required to sit at the back of the bus.)

6. When black participation in civilization is so obvious your best schemes can't
     hide it, find a way to attribute the success to outside white influence.

7. When all the ancient historians contradict your theory, seek to discredit them.


and here is an excerpt from an article about how the europeans conspired to lie about the ethnicitiy of the ancient egyptians:


Egypt has always been a place of fascination for the ancients outside the region of Egypt. For instance, two of the seven wonders of the World were situated in Egypt.

 The Rosetta Stone was discovered during the Napoleonic Egyptian Campaign in 1799. In 1822 Jean Champollion was able to crack the code of hieroglyphics. Once the code of hieroglyphics had been cracked, it brought a renewed interest to that region of the world.

 For the first time in thousands of years, utilizing the new-found skills of reading Egyptian hieroglyphics, people could corroborate certain historical events, people and places. The discovery of the Rosetta Stone and subsequent understanding of the esoteric hieroglyph language was the connection that brought everything to the forefront for "modern" people to wrestle with some realities.

 European archaeologists, anthropologists and historians were in a catch-22 situation. On one hand they were seeing images of people with clear Afroid features as they traveled around Egypt.

 On the other hand, there was the terrible history of the slave trade that had been going on for approximately 350 years prior. For Europeans to justify the economic drive of the slave trade, there had to be the denigration of people of African descent. (Also, let's not forget the complicity of African Kings in bringing their warring neighbors to the slave traders.) Since the slave trade had been going on for some 350 years, the negative view of Black people had permeated much of Europe, South and North America and the rest of the world.

 There was a crisis of conscience, especially in the mid 1800s. How are the European archaeologists going to interpret what they are seeing and understanding, to an eager outside world? In my opinion, they blew a wonderful opportunity to share the truth. Instead most went to all sorts of ends to try to present Egyptians as though they were not of African descent. The book, Black Spark, White Fire (Richard Poe) addresses the ethnicity of the ancient Egyptians in a most ingenious manner.

 The one-drop rule worked in the US -- one drop of black blood makes one black. Let's reverse the standards for archaeologists and anthropologists when viewing ancient history -- one drop of white blood makes you white, no matter how curly the hair or thick the lips.

 All of this impacted the world -- brought on by a specific event. In my opinion, the re-discovery of the Rosetta Stone was the catalyst that brought about the series of events that ultimately reshaped the thinking of people around the world regarding the ethnicity of the ancient Egyptians.


Outside egypt there were many great african civilisations which were destroyed once the europeans commenced their invasion of africa.


http://www.freemaninstitute.com/RTGhistory.htm

AjanleKoko:
Dr Ayo,
As much as I feel you, I think Africans have dwelt on slavery long enough.
Slavery and colonization I think was inevitable for Africans. The continent had been somehow left in darkness for too long, isolated. It was only natural that invaders would cash in.

Let all Africans stop complaining, shake off the inferiority complex, and focus on building our continent. Sometimes we just sound like the class wimp reporting the class bully to the teacher. Only in this case, the teacher is the class bully's dad. We've cried reparation all these years. Is anybody listening to us?

Gosh that is the most ignorant statement i have ever heard in my life- how on earth can you make that statement - who invented philosophy, medicine, who invented the most complicated system of construction known to man which resulted in the construction of the pyramids, who invented mathematics, irrigation systems, whose art and literature was copied and appropriated by invading nations, whose antiquities were stolen and still remain in european museums to date - for christ's sake if you don't know your history stop misleading people with lies that have been fed to you by racist whites who want to keep you in a position of subservience.

shotster50:
@ Cap,


You are wrong to blame the Europeans entirely for our problems. We should also blame ourselves, slavery in Africa like someone else here pointed out, was already being practiced in Africa way before the European showed up. We should blame ourselves first before anybody else. We sold our dignity for a pittance and yet we expect fairness from the Europeans. We are our own worst enemy.

Shotster 50 this is the same excuse white europeans use time and time again in order to exonerate themselves from blame, this excuse, and it is nothing but an excuse is used to assuage their guilt, lets look at the facts, yes, africans practiced slavery but nowhere on the same scale nor for the same purpose that the europeans practiced theirs. Africans enslaved captured prisoners of war during inter ethnic skirmishes which is actually normal, go and read european history and you will find that the romans enslaved almost the whole of europe, every country that they invaded and conquered resulted in the population of that country becoming enslaved, but these slaves were still treated like human beings and not condemned to a grim, violent and short existence as was the lot of african slaves at the hands of european slave traders.

The transatlantic slave trade as practiced by the europeans was undertaken in order to make money, africans were regarded as chattel (property) and had no rights, our humanity was completely denied, african slavery on the other hand recognised the humanity of slaves - these type of slaves were treated like human beings and not property as was the case with the transatlantic slave trade. Please stop buying in to their brainwashing, they want you to exonerate them from all blame, so that they dont have to take responsibility for the damage they orchestrated and are still carrying on with on our continent.

ababda instead of being ashamed that you come from a country that practices the enslavement of its fellow african brothers and sisters you have the guts to come on here showing pictures of sudan, what has that got to do with the fact that your leaders are ethnically cleansing the nuer, dinka and other african tribes from your country so that your arab masters in saudi arabia, iran, palestine and libya will regard you as their equals.

I am well aware that in your country you practice a disgusting racial caste system - where light skinned arabs are placed at the top and darker skinned "arabs" like yourself are placed lower down and then black africans placed right at the bottom of the socio economic ladder - i dare you to rebut that!!

ababda:
Cap28

You are absolutely ignorant, and definitely whitewashed. I suggest you stick to your own problems in your own country such as providing electricity instead of worrying another country that does not have any relations with you. In other words, the nile valley countries is non of your business.

Instead of resorting to the use of foul language why dont you rebut what I am saying, could it be because you can't ? If I were whitewashed as you say why am I focusing on the fact that your genocidal leaders are killing black africans? surely a whitewashed individual wouldnt care about issues that affect blacks?

The truth is bitter and you can continue to delude yourself into beleiving that your wannabe "arab" leaders who deny their african ancestry are murderers and maniacs. As for me sticking to problems in my own country "providing electricity" as you put it, at least we dont practice slavery of our fellow african brothers in the 21st century, your people ought to be isolated from the rest of the world as you are not fit to be living among other human beings.