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afrodoc2:
Excellent goal keeper in his prime and a good shot stopper.
His major problem? Only 5 yrs younger than Pagliuca and 6 yrs older than Buffon.

Oh i couldn't recall the legendary pagluica. Not forgetting the almighty Dino Zoff

afrodoc2:
One could say:

Buffon
Casillas
Schmeichel
Kahn
Shilton
Clemence
Zoff
Maier
Banks
Yashin

David Seaman.
Shay Given.
Santiago Canizares.
Handanovic.
Edwin Van der sar.
Manuel Neuer.
Jerzy Dudek.
Andoni Zubezeritta.
Rui Patricio.
Victor Baia

Expert17:
I have drop picture, statistics and records to prove my point, u will jump to another point. u kept on turning like wheel chair ............
Saying the obvious fact is exaggerating to you. Since he disgraced himself at World cup, he hasnt bn the same,...but u cant see that.


Lets leave it this way..........God help u, u complain about OLE or any player this season.

Leave that guy,, he has been talking rubbish since, thinking he is aristotle

larride:
There’s no player that hasn’t been criticized on this board so I don’t understand how my post translate to “don’t criticize DDG”.

DDG has went about 3 months without committing any error but he suddenly made 1 error against Everton and every start this exaggerated claims about how DDG is finished yen yen yen and how he makes silly errors every now and then and you think I won’t call out that bullshit?

Guy we have rested this issue but your talks are becoming very ridiculous now and annoying, what do take us for?, olodos? Who told you its 3 months since he last commited an error. Versus watford on 22/12/2019 he set us on the path to defeat, last Saturday 01/03 he cost us 2 points. Where is your 3 months? He has committed 3 errors already this season and this season is just 6 months old. He doesnt command his area well leading to goals and concedes useless freekick. What the hell are you even talking self. Guy pack one side jare. You want us to continue fielding a basket, but you rush to slate other players

patrickmuf:
We must not always tow same part, no?

I'm not saying DDG is perfect but he still has it in him. I expect that we should be talking about our lackluster second half performance wherein, we were bad collectively as a team.

Ole is not helping with his selection and tactics. It's obvious that with Martial up front, CBs can go take a piss and nothing will change so why is Ole still playing Martial up front when we have Ighalo who would have the CBs ruffled? Martial and Greenwood both want the ball to feet most of the time, Mason is even better at making those runs but both won't fight for every ball like Ighalo would. If we must play 4 - 4 - 2, let Ighalo pair with either of Martial or Greenwood until Rashford is back or switch to 4 3 3 or 4 2 3 1 and have Martial cut in from the left and James/Greenwood from the right.

Good, my point is, his position must be challenged, he shouldn't be undisputed No 1. You cant bet that he wont come up with another blunder.

Honestly Ole did not help matters last match, even when we were on top in the first half, our attack was not working, its very blunt. Ole would have removed Greenwood for Ighalo and shifted Martial to the left. When Ighalo came in, the difference was clear, same with against Brugge. In the Summer Sancho is a must to be frank. We also need a new CF, Ole can still keep martial as the top striker, as he is quality, but he needs support as plan B.

Everton grew into the game as we were not threatening, so an experience manager like Ancelotti will always want to capitalise. If Ighalo had entered at the beginning of the second half, we would have been better. Meanwhile we were even lucky to come out with a draw

Leyqute:
LoL. Na me get this sub.

Was discussing if Lindelof could become a top defender like Ferdinand with Afrodoc. I said it’s possible if he can work on his weaknesses since Vidic didn’t have a smooth start either and became quite good. He disagreed.

We ended the argument amicably. No slander, no nothing. Didn’t even say he struggled for 3 years.

Una too like to Dey throw sub in general direction for this place.

Lol. I exaggerated sha. But we have to give level playing ground for every player. Nobody hates DDG, but its annoying when avoidable errors are costing us, especially when its coming from our experience and trusted players eg DDG. Several players have been slated here for their weeknesses eg AWB, Maguire, Matic, Mata, Rashford, Shaw, Fred even little Williams and Greenwood. But when certain untouchables brazenly cost us points, we will immediately go to the history books to remind us how they "saved" us. May be we should recall Van der sar and Schmeichel since they did a lot for us. Bros its annoying to say the least.

patrickmuf:
But let's pretend De Gea didn't make a point blank to deny Everton.

Even Pickford made point blank save from ighalo, Caballero made point blank save from Ighalo, Any GK can make point blank save. Adrian yesterday commited a blunder for Willan goal, then Made a point blank save from Giroud, So what is special about it. When you are receiving 375k/week the highest in the world, point blank save is nothing. Even Daniel Akpeyi makes point blank saves. I havent seen you make excuses for Matic when he misplace few passes and then assisted a goal. But De gea can do whatever he likes, and then Boom 1 point blank save, he is world class

Expert17:
DE GEA errors leading to goals in EPL
2011/2012 - 2
2012/2013-1
2013/2014- 0
2014/2015-1
2015/2016-1
2016/2017-1
2017/2018-1
Total = 7

2018/2019-4
2019/2020- 3..............still remaining 2-3 months to go
Total=7

2011 to 2020= De gea conceded 12 goals from direct free-kick, the highest by any keeper in that time frame in EPL

Some will still argue that he is not having bad performance post World cup.

The statistics i do bring from my ass, is better than the ones that is bn release from some people's brain

They will turn blind eye.

Talk about how martial blunts our attack now, they will lynch you. Talk about Lindelof you will be smoked on how Vidic and Evra Struggled for 3 years.

But let Shaw, Matic or Mctomminay misplace a pass, you will here same people calling for Woodward to offload him to Birmingham city and Mkdons. Let James cross one ball which doesn't find anybody in the box. They will label him a flop calling for him to be shipped back to Swansea.

elrony:
.abeg don't put Leno in the same sentence with De Gea thanks

Na you sabi, until he stop costing us points he will be put in the same sentence with anyone

spillo1:
LMFAO....Then why are we discussing about Gallas? I listed the back line of Chelsea team for the 2004/2005 seasons then expert17 was asking me if Gallas played as left back how about Ashley Cole that was at arsenal where did he play? Please answer him for me

Its must be a oversight because Ashley Cole and Gallas were never team mates at chelsea, infact its was a Gallas+5million for A.Cole. Gallas threatened to score an own goal against Chelsea if not allowed to move to Arsenal. His anger was that his number 13 Jersey was handed to new signing Ballack without his permission

spillo1:
LMFAO......So what are you arguing about exactly?

Where did i tell you that Gallas didnt play left back.

spillo1:
LMFAO.....Sir for the 2004/2005 season When Chelsea was setting all the defensive record in the league who was their starting left back?

Gallas. Bridge got injured . Mourinho rushed to get Del Horno immediately the next transfer window

spillo1:
LMFAO..... Ashley Cole was playing for both Arsenal and Chelsea. What a legend

Gallas played Left back for chelsea very well, but it was becuase of the inconsistency and injury to wayne bridge, the next season, Mourinho went and bought Asier Del Horno from One spanish team. Gallas is not a left back he is just covering.

afrodoc2:
My biggest problem with DDG is his inconsistency. World class today, clown tomorrow.

Strikers can be inconsistent but GKs and CBs can’t.
Inconsistency breeds confusion and panic in a back line.
A goalie who gives you constant 7/10 is more valuable than one that swings from 9 to 3.

Thank you. They think i have any agenda against him, infact i am one of his biggest and fiercest fan. But no team succeeds with a fidgety backline and a goalie who do bonanza

Unlimited22:
Actually it's 15 in the 04/05 season. A record that stands to this date

He had 25 clean sheets that season, a record that also stands till today, I stands to be corrected but Cech holds the record of the highest number of clean sheet in EPL history. I am not sure but i strongly beleive so. Mind you i am not his fan

patrickmuf:
Yes, I only check livescore.

Go and watch Arsenal vs Everton and see your Leno.

I have seen Dubraska make many errors leading to goals but still they're better than De Gea.

I wish we can sign Fabianski and the likes just so we see.

Oga you are biased, Leno was the reason Arsenal won Everton. I dont think i will respond you on this again.

patrickmuf:
Leno, Dubraska, Fabian ski, Heaton all better than De Gea.

Well, it's your opinion.

Its not my opinion, on current form, they are better than him, except you only check livescore

spillo1:
LMFAO....You don't know what you are saying. Cech was nothing more than a good keeper behind a Solid defense. He did nothing close to when De gea was singlehandedly winning us points on a regular basis. All these Wikipedia analyst self.

You are talking nonsense boy. Its either you are a Kid, you started watching football recently or you know nothing about football, for you to say that Cech is just a good keeper. I will not argue with you go find your level

Expert17:
Then you didn't watch Petr Cech at Chelsea......

. Conceded just 21 goals in 38 games, that's in a season
. Highest clean sheet in EPL history
. Highest clean sheet in a season.
.Had one of the longest run without conceeding a goal in EPL.
. Won numerous Golden gloves
. was part of the best defence in EPL history


Cech is rated alongside Peter schiemel and Edwin Vanderser as all time EPL best keepers........ De gea is way below please

15 goals in 2004/2005 season that record stands till today. That season he did not concede for 1025 minutes, a record. Until Vaan der sar broke it in 2009 with 1311 minutes spanning 13 matches. Although i feel Van der sar was better but the general debate i think is between Schmeichel and Cech who is better.

Jodera:
[b][/b] You dropped good points o. But you see this bolded here, I think you're just being emotional. Ddg did more than half of the things cech did at Chelsea. At a certain time sef, he was singlehandedly saving you guys ass

Then you didnt know Cech, go and check his stats for Chelsea then come back. That there are other outstanding players like Lampard, Drogba, and Terry during chelsea hey days does not mean Cech did not have a huge impact on their winnings. Cech make ridiculous saves, save penalties, put in his body and even almost lost his life against reading in 2006. Cech is in top 3 all time best GK in EPL history, go and check the record books. So because Van der sar and Schmeichel did not "Singlehandedly" win trophies for us, they are not as great as DDG?
You think i dont like De gea? All of us like him, but guy something is at stake here, Lose top 4 consistently and you wont attract good players and when it continues for years you become a team of also-rans and may decline never to recover. Like i said earlier, Fergie will never retain De gea this season. Keane, Stam, Van Nistelrooy, and Beckham clear examples. We cant because he Singlehandedly saved us before, then drag us to obscurity.
Do you remember Ranieri and Leicester city?
Pochetino and Spurs?

patrickmuf:
DDG is not among the top 10 goalies in the league? Let's see your top 10 please.

DDG is going through a bad patch, it happens to every player not named Messi or Ronaldo. I remember when Rooney was struggling to do even the basics for a period of time before he scored that screamer against City.

DDG is the least of our problems right now.

Allison, Ederson, Leno, Schmeichel, Dubraska, Heaton, Henderson, Pope, Fabianski and Rui Patricio. I dont want to add Kepa who is benching him in Spain.
For Me the best GK in EPL is Nicky Pope. For 3 seasons that guy has been ridiculously posting top performances.

Rooney scored the overhead kick in 2010/2011 season, he wasnt struggling AT ALL. that was the season Rooney said he wants out and infact he is going to City, he was sulking all through, immediately his contract was sorted out he was back to his best. Infact Fergie for the first have to virtually BEG Rooney, something he has never done before. After that episode, Fergie started scouting for Rooney's replacement, when he finally got RVP, Rooney became absolutely dispensable, infact Fergie benched and substitute him indiscriminately, strip him of penalty taking and made it absolutely clear to him that he is not the main man. When Fergie was retiring he told Moyes not renew Rooney's contract, that he should offload Rooney. Moyes didn't have the courage and gave Rooney an astronomical wage contract. That became a very grave mistake, just like this current DDG contract.

DDG is not having a rough patch ogbeni, since 2018 world cup DDG has been dropping clangers and conceding from tame shots, he does that with constant regularity, thats is not a rough Patch. Lehmann, Cassillas, Barthez, Cech and Oliver Khan had these things. Not everyone will do a Buffon and Van der Sar.
Messi and Ronaldo dont go through bad patch for 2 years, once they do that, their contract will be reviewed. You are just being sentimental with DDG. I didnt see you say that Matic was having a bad patch for 2 years when suggesting he should be sold.

afrodoc2:
Probably a loan. Very soon reserve football will be too easy for him but i don’t think he is ready yet for the EPL’s physicality.
A good plan might be Championship or German Bundesliga for 1 season then replace Matic in 2021.

For me Championship is better, a top championship side that could be promoted. It worked for Henderson and Tuanzebe.

Expert17:
JOKE of the year............

If we wanna mention our top 5 problems rite now, DDG will be there,......

Sir Alex Ferguson wud have bench him ( after his numerous mistake in his early days at old trafford, he was benched for Anders Lindegarrd), and Jose Mourinho wud hv done same.

Bros, in this board, there are players that even if they are dropping 1/10 or 2/10 every match you are not allowed to point it out. They are: Martial, DDG and Lindelof. Once you point our their flaws you will be lynched. Pogba used to be in this category until it became obvious that he is taking us for a ride, another is Herrera who wanted to Mug us of 300k/week until he was allowed to go to PSG to be benched Gueye(who is not even first choice mind u). But let James, Mctomminay, Matic, Shaw or Rashford put in anything average, you will never hear the last of it. They will be calling on Ed to offload them to the championship

Stop wasting your time trying to convince people who see black and call it white. Someone who ridiculously put his team 1 goal behind at goodison park at 2 minutes is not a problem? Degea has lost us a whooping 7 points this season just from his direct errors, i dont want to even talk about matches where he concedes from a routine shot.
Juxtapose the number of goals from setpieces we conceded this with the number of aeriel claims from our GK, check the number of headed clearances from our defenders and compare it to other teams, and someone said its less of our problem.
So Guardiola that quickly dropped Joe hart and then Bravo for Ederson, who said GK is least of his problem?, considering that the GK losses him 8 to 10 points per season from direct errors ALONE. Klopp spent big on Alisson, if it was Fergie, DDG wont be the first choice this season after he cost us top 4 last season. Even Wenger who is known to give benefit of doubt quickly dropped Lehman versus Liverpool in 2005 just after his heroics in the invincible season. And someone is saying DDG is least of our problem? Wait first! Did DDG do half of what Cech did at Chelsea? But he was immediately dropped when he became fidgety.

ChristineC:
you are right about our full-back's lack of urgency to deliver a cross, but also there were hardly bodies in the box which may have stemmed from no confidence on the part of strikers in the abilities of the full-backs to find them with a cross or the full-backs seeing no strikers busting a gut to get into good positions in anticipation of a quick cross or just a combination of both.

look at the scenario when Bruno led a swift counter off an Everton corner, we could see Ighalo sprinting straight into the box and Bruno put in a smart cross because they were in sync. the only other person that runs into the box on a swift counter in our squad is Rashford and it's a problem. whatever it is I feel the coaching input will be crucial to it's improvement.

for DDG, it brings me back to my point about elephants in the room and Martial is in this group.
when you offer astronomical contracts to players, you tend to want to make them earn their pay by fielding them whenever they are fit.

if the said players deliver poor performances on a more regular basis, then discarding becomes a tug of war as nobody will want their services for such money and the players themselves would not fancy any pay cut.

Martial has occasional quality in him, the best is to get a good competition for him, he shouldn't be an undisputed starter, ole should have started Ighalo last match. Few minutes he was in, he made dangerous runs that disorganised Everton defence. We sorely missed Rashford! God!

For DDG, i was crying in the summer to get rid of him quickly or at least not to give him that contract. BOOM! a huge pay, I was surprised as was this an appreciation for the wonderful years his had with us or a reflection of his current ability? The former seems true for me. The signs are very clear, DDG is not even among the top 10 GK in the league, never mind the world. I think the best is absolve the loss and move on. But this has happened to us one too many times. Rooney, Sanchez and now DDG, when shall we learn?

afrodoc2:
Yes. Since Martial has decided to keep blowing hot and cold we need to get another CF. I would not spend on defence for now. A CF, a RW, 1 midfielder (if Pogba stays) or 2 midfielders (if Pogba goes).

Honeslty our defence is ok, if not for DDG Brian fart yesterday, it would have been another clean sheet, and Bailly has to come in at this stage, Lindelof is putting panic in our defence.
Sancho this summer is a MUST, we must find a sharp CF who according to OGS will break a nose to score, my brother look at Raul Jimenez and Diogo Jota, whenever I see those guys score, I just weep, only Rashford scores with the kind of regularity they do and with commitment, the way they charge at passes, the way the shoot and put in their bodies, Only Rashford does that. A front 3 of Rashford, Sancho and a proper CF will be great.

But most importantly, DDG issue must be addressed, do whatever you like, if you GK puts your opponents in front, there is pretty much nothing you can do. Even this current Liverpool team will struggle against Everton if Allison makes it 1-0 against them in 2 minutes

afrodoc2:
1) Rashford is our 1st choice LW and he is good enough at this time. We need to get Sancho for the RW.

2) We can't spend money on a RB again. AWB is decent overall and we have 3 younger RBs in the team that may be pushing him for a starting berth in the next couple of years.

In terms of the full back crossing it is not just about instructions. AWB to an extent and Shaw especially are not confident one time crossers. Dalot and Williams (when he plays on the right) are more confident/competent with that aspect of the game.

I also think we need a striker that sits inside the box, when Ighalo came on yesterday, there were many opportunities, Fernandez brought 2 in particular, including the one Baines cleared wonderfully. I think Ole would have started Ighalo yesterday instead of Greenwood, and dropped Mctomminay for Mata. In my humble opinion, Daniel James was sorely missed in this match.

raumdeuter:
How was Lovren the main cause of VVD being so useless the entire game

Honestly the guys logic is shocking. Please dayo can you make a gif of those goals, Van dyke was culpable for ALLLL the goals. Dacoure or Sarr ghosted past him all the time, even the chance that Sarr could have score before he was substituted, VVD was caught ball watch, why blame Loveren for Gods sake

adebayo201:
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Is that not why he's been paid?? Today's error was just avoidable and unnecessary. He created the tension and placed pressure on his team mates.

Dont mind him, check the number of games Liverpool won by 1 goal margin, so Allison would have allowed a goal in those matches and made a save to atone for the errors

larride:
He made one error today and made up for it with the saves in the second half.

He made error and made up for it Really? So in a Champions league final, Keepers should gift the opponents an early goal and then make up for it letter in the match? How about making no errors at all and protecting his teams lead with saves? Nna na wa for una oo, una can defendddd. Let it be the usual easy scapegoats, then Ed most make him no 1 on transfer list, but for DDG and co, we must find excuse, just like pool fans were heaping blames on Loveren for yesterday's trashing when all the goals clearly went through VVD

thorrvik55:
Harry Maguire took to his Instagram page to celebrate being awarded Man of The Match vs Everton


Pepper dem geng

Yeah Maguire was superb today, he has been for the past few matches

Honestly, I know you people will say i talk too much about this issue, But, how can a GK earning 350k/ week will keep giving opponents head starts one too many times to cost us point.

Apart from today. The few i can remember are.

- Vs Same Everton when he misjudged a cross to let Lindelof score an own goal.

- Vs C.palace, we just equalised and few minutes remaining, he committed a howler to lose us the match at the death.

- Vs Watford, when he let a scoffed shot by Sarr.

He is 2nd behind Dubraska in errors leading to goal, how can we keep on putting up with this? The difference between making 4 and not making it are just fine margins, we lost top 4 to man city in 2016 on goal difference, that error vs palace that cost us 1 point, might just be difference. I love DDG very well but even when I try, i couldn't see him make jaw dropping saves, nowadays any shot in our post my mind fly, No team achieves anything with a GK who keep making errors. Lampard dropped a 70m keeper to play 40 year old Caballero, Klopp offloaded mignolet and Karius to win Champions league, Imagine is those 2 errors from Karius were prevented, Liverpool might have won the UCL instead of madrid, Imagine if Van der sar committed an error in our tensed final with Chelsea in Moscow. Barthez won the world cup came to United, after some errors fergie binned him for Tim Howard. 2 points, 1 points, 3 points dropped here and there due to errors or inability to keep out a routine shot, is costing us and will cost us dearly. Ole has make changes in the summer in the GK department.

Yes one can make mistakes, but its becoming a habit that for every 4 league or 5 league games he will drop a clanger. I can bet you that this will not be his last this season. For spain he knocked them out in Euros by allowing Chilienni to score, in the world cup same errors, play a normal shot and its a goal, no wonder he was dropped in spain. I can guarantee you that if either Kepa or DDG star for spain in the Euros they will not go far.

NB: i dont have any agenda against DDG he will go down as a legend probably, but he need to be dropped next season. He can stage a comeback but he mustn't be our undisputed number 1.

Honestly Mata should have started.

Except Martial can claim he is unfit, but honestly he dropped a stinker today.

I know this is not a popular opinion anywhere but Daniel James would have been effective today. Our wing play was dead.

I dont want to repeat anything about DDG, it will only be a repetition